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Pep22 : 5/23/2018 9:19 am
Assistants:

Keith Smart - hired
Jud Bueschler - rumored to be close to being hired
Van Exel - does not seem to be in the mix
Mike Woodson - unclear

Draft chat:

the more I investigate these guys the more I like:

Miles Bridges: Izzo/Michigan State pedigree is significant, kid has a strong personality and a tenacious style, athleticism/strength/lefty-ness all serve him well to overcome lack of ideal length

Lonnie Walker: smart, great kid, great athleticism, length etc., best 2 in the draft, the notion of Ntilikina/Walker growing into an eventual starting backcourt is appealing; the presence of Courtney Lee is not at all worrisome as it relates to Walker, but Hardaway's presence may be enough to force NYK to look away from a 2 at the 9 spot. Unfortunate because I think this kid will ultimately be a top 5 player from this draft.

one the other hand:

Mikal Bridges seems too "low ceiling" to me.

Neither Trae Young nor Collin Sexton are attractive enough.

Wendell Carter and KP would struggle to coexist in today's NBA.
Woodson  
DanMetroMan : 5/23/2018 9:22 am : link
is joining the Suns.
Woj  
DanMetroMan : 5/23/2018 9:23 am : link
thinks the Knicks would have dealt KP to Phoenix before last years draft had the Suns relented on the #4 pick.
A lot  
Jon in NYC : 5/23/2018 9:23 am : link
of bad takes in that post, but the most notable may be a Michigan State "pedigree?".

There are two MSU players that are doing anything of value in the NBA right now.
RE: A lot  
dep026 : 5/23/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 13972309 Jon in NYC said:
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of bad takes in that post, but the most notable may be a Michigan State "pedigree?".

There are two MSU players that are doing anything of value in the NBA right now.


Valentine must not be 1. Terrible pick by the bulls.

I would assume you mean Green and Harris?
Maybe  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 9:26 am : link
Zach Randolph?
RE: RE: A lot  
Jon in NYC : 5/23/2018 9:26 am : link
In comment 13972311 dep026 said:
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of bad takes in that post, but the most notable may be a Michigan State "pedigree?".

There are two MSU players that are doing anything of value in the NBA right now.



Valentine must not be 1. Terrible pick by the bulls.

I would assume you mean Green and Harris?


That is correct. I suppose you can make an argument for Bryn Forbes.

Either way, lets not pretend that MSU is some NBA factory. A "pedigree" is bullshit.
I think Mikal Bridges will be a better NBA player  
Section331 : 5/23/2018 9:35 am : link
than he was at Nova. He has the perfect NBA game, and his shot creation is a little under-appreciated.
Also not sure  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 9:37 am : link
how athleticism and length give Lonnie Walker a tremendous ceiling but not Sexton.
RE: I think Mikal Bridges will be a better NBA player  
Jon in NYC : 5/23/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 13972329 Section331 said:
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than he was at Nova. He has the perfect NBA game, and his shot creation is a little under-appreciated.


I would agree with this. On the flip side, I think his defense is a little overrated. He's got lanky arms but is pretty weak and will get pushed around by strong 3s and 4s.
I do love Miles Bridges tho  
dep026 : 5/23/2018 9:39 am : link
He is strong and athletic and even though his shot is susect, he can make a 3. I think he could be a matchup problem for a lot of teams.

I see him having a better career in the NBA than he did in college.
RE: I think Mikal Bridges will be a better NBA player  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 9:39 am : link
In comment 13972329 Section331 said:
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than he was at Nova. He has the perfect NBA game, and his shot creation is a little under-appreciated.


You can say this about a lot of players...

College there are systems in place
I like the way  
Pep22 : 5/23/2018 9:40 am : link
Izzo coaches, especially for the culture change that NYK need. Watch thew way the Celtics play. Knicks haven't competed in games like that in a while. Miles Bridges plays with a Dray Green like feistiness.
Yeah the college game is a little congested  
bceagle05 : 5/23/2018 9:41 am : link
with the three-point line being a little closer. I agree that Miles Bridges in particular will benefit with more room to operate.
RE: I like the way  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 9:43 am : link
In comment 13972340 Pep22 said:
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Izzo coaches, especially for the culture change that NYK need. Watch thew way the Celtics play. Knicks haven't competed in games like that in a while. Miles Bridges plays with a Dray Green like feistiness.


Does every MSU player get compared to Draymond Green intensity? People were saying the same shit about Draymond, gets pretty tired after a while. Draymond is probably the best defender and passing big man in the NBA.
*saying the same about Valentine  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 9:43 am : link
not draymond
RE: RE: I like the way  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 9:45 am : link
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Izzo coaches, especially for the culture change that NYK need. Watch thew way the Celtics play. Knicks haven't competed in games like that in a while. Miles Bridges plays with a Dray Green like feistiness.



Does every MSU player get compared to Draymond Green intensity? People were saying the same shit about Draymond, gets pretty tired after a while. Draymond is probably the best defender and passing big man in the NBA.


Draymond biggest knock coming in was fat and lazy...he struggled badly his rookie year
Sexton is a nice prospect  
Pep22 : 5/23/2018 9:47 am : link
not unlike Eric Bledsoe. I'd prefer a wing though. I'd love Walker not if NYK cannot deal THJ for adequate value i.e. Mo Harkless to a) add a wing b) create room at the 2...then Walker unfortunately doesn't make sense.
RE: Woj  
TyreeHelmet : 5/23/2018 9:49 am : link
In comment 13972308 DanMetroMan said:
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thinks the Knicks would have dealt KP to Phoenix before last years draft had the Suns relented on the #4 pick.


I think the Knicks really dodged a bullet last summer. PJax seemed pretty intent on dealing KP. Remember that bizarre interview with Jackson on MSG about dealing KP?

I am thankful and shocked a team didn't take advantage of Phil. I know it sounds like KP didn't want to go to PHX, but if I'm the Suns I'm trading that 4th pick for KP and figuring it out. A core of Booker/KP with all those picks that have moving forward it pretty damn good.
Trade Timmy?  
bceagle05 : 5/23/2018 9:50 am : link
Don't play with my emotions like that. He's Steve Mills' big prize.
okay...forget the pedigree  
Pep22 : 5/23/2018 9:50 am : link
Miles Bridges is a well coached, vocal leader who seems to be a very hard worker and his athleticism, strength are major assets.
RE: RE: RE: I like the way  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 9:53 am : link
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Draymond biggest knock coming in was fat and lazy...he struggled badly his rookie year


This leads to my point, people comp every MSU wing to draymond. "Hes a more athletic draymond" or "better shooting draymond". Odds are probably less than 2% that you are going to get a player better than draymond at 9. Just saying its not a valid barometer.
RE: Sexton is a nice prospect  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 13972353 Pep22 said:
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not unlike Eric Bledsoe. I'd prefer a wing though. I'd love Walker not if NYK cannot deal THJ for adequate value i.e. Mo Harkless to a) add a wing b) create room at the 2...then Walker unfortunately doesn't make sense.


What makes Walker that much more of a wing than Sexton though? He's 1 inch taller and his wingspan is 2 inches shorter than Sexton. I don't see a difference between who either will be able to guard in the NBA. Walker isn't going to be guarding SFs. Due to handling ability Sexton has a much higher ceiling.
RE: RE: Woj  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 9:58 am : link
In comment 13972357 TyreeHelmet said:
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thinks the Knicks would have dealt KP to Phoenix before last years draft had the Suns relented on the #4 pick.



I think the Knicks really dodged a bullet last summer. PJax seemed pretty intent on dealing KP. Remember that bizarre interview with Jackson on MSG about dealing KP?

I am thankful and shocked a team didn't take advantage of Phil. I know it sounds like KP didn't want to go to PHX, but if I'm the Suns I'm trading that 4th pick for KP and figuring it out. A core of Booker/KP with all those picks that have moving forward it pretty damn good.


I would of traded him if it meant getting haul
Trade Possibilities  
TyreeHelmet : 5/23/2018 10:00 am : link
Any realistic scenarios to move Lee and/or Hardaway? Maybe Hardaway to the Kings in a salary dump? The Kings don't own their pick next year and will be motivated to improve.

THJ for Shump/Koustos/ Cauley Stein or Mason? Knicks take on 2 bad contracts but they expire after next season and get 1 young guy. Kings get shooting and much needed wing.

RE: RE: Sexton is a nice prospect  
Pep22 : 5/23/2018 10:02 am : link
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not unlike Eric Bledsoe. I'd prefer a wing though. I'd love Walker not if NYK cannot deal THJ for adequate value i.e. Mo Harkless to a) add a wing b) create room at the 2...then Walker unfortunately doesn't make sense.



What makes Walker that much more of a wing than Sexton though? He's 1 inch taller and his wingspan is 2 inches shorter than Sexton. I don't see a difference between who either will be able to guard in the NBA. Walker isn't going to be guarding SFs. Due to handling ability Sexton has a much higher ceiling.


Body type wise, I'd equate Walker to Jrue Holiday and Sexton to Jeff Teague.
RE: Trade Possibilities  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 10:03 am : link
In comment 13972381 TyreeHelmet said:
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Any realistic scenarios to move Lee and/or Hardaway? Maybe Hardaway to the Kings in a salary dump? The Kings don't own their pick next year and will be motivated to improve.

THJ for Shump/Koustos/ Cauley Stein or Mason? Knicks take on 2 bad contracts but they expire after next season and get 1 young guy. Kings get shooting and much needed wing.


I'm not so sure I take THJR over Hield or Bogdonovic. Let alone Kings are favorites for Doncic it looks like.
Miles Bridges  
GMEN46 : 5/23/2018 10:03 am : link
Has bust written all over him. I have absolutely no interest. The upside is not enough. He cant play 3 or 4 in NBA. Collin Sexton upside isoff the charts. Miles Bridges is an absolute remote thrower. Would rather take a chance on Knox if Sexton and Porter Jr. Are gone.
Trae Young  
GMEN46 : 5/23/2018 10:04 am : link
Is an absolute remote thrower as well
RE: RE: RE: Sexton is a nice prospect  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 10:05 am : link
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Body type wise, I'd equate Walker to Jrue Holiday and Sexton to Jeff Teague.



? Holiday weighs 20 pounds more than Teague and is 2 inches taller. Holiday has a 7' wingspan like Sexton. The difference between Walker and Sexton weight wise is 2 pounds.
THJ  
Pep22 : 5/23/2018 10:09 am : link
Milwaukee (with Coach Bud and a need for shooting) might be a possibility. Although I am not sure what might be attractive in terms of a return. Neither Henson nor Snell appeal to me but DJ Wilson (if available as a sweetener) would sway me.

THJ + Thomas for Henson, Snell and Wilson works $ wise.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Sexton is a nice prospect  
Pep22 : 5/23/2018 10:12 am : link
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Body type wise, I'd equate Walker to Jrue Holiday and Sexton to Jeff Teague.




? Holiday weighs 20 pounds more than Teague and is 2 inches taller. Holiday has a 7' wingspan like Sexton. The difference between Walker and Sexton weight wise is 2 pounds.


Sexton does NOT have a 7' wing. Its 6'7. Walker's is 6'10.5. Walker also has a great frame to get into the 220 range whereas Sexton will likely always be < 190.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Sexton is a nice prospect  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 10:16 am : link
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Sexton does NOT have a 7' wing. Its 6'7. Walker's is 6'10.5. Walker also has a great frame to get into the 220 range whereas Sexton will likely always be < 190.


Google lied. 30 pounds is a lot but Walker does have a good frame.
RE: Woj  
Enzo : 5/23/2018 10:17 am : link
In comment 13972308 DanMetroMan said:
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thinks the Knicks would have dealt KP to Phoenix before last years draft had the Suns relented on the #4 pick.

what was the rest of the offer?
Combine Measurements  
Pep22 : 5/23/2018 10:21 am : link
Miles Bridges:

Height w shoes: 6'6.75"
Wingspan: 6'9.5"
Weight: 220

Lonnie Walker:

Height w shoes: 6'4.5"
Wingspan: 6'10.25"
Weight: 196


Collin Sexton:

Height w shoes: 6'1.5"
Wingspan: 6'7.25"
Weight: 183
Big thing going for me on Sexton  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 10:31 am : link
was his ability to guard 2's in the NBA. But i thought he had a 7' wingspan so his measurements probably pigeonhole him into a 1 position defender.

My issue with Walker is that he's too erratic. He's had big issues on defense, "appears" to be a shooter (has a good shot but inconsistent), lack of advanced ball handling and limited vision. To me he is a prototype 3 and D that is banking on both improved 3 and D to get there. I don't see really high ceiling with him. I see him as Courtney Lee once his skills are more developed.
RE: Miles Bridges  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 10:36 am : link
In comment 13972390 GMEN46 said:
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Has bust written all over him. I have absolutely no interest. The upside is not enough. He cant play 3 or 4 in NBA. Collin Sexton upside isoff the charts. Miles Bridges is an absolute remote thrower. Would rather take a chance on Knox if Sexton and Porter Jr. Are gone.


Why cant he play the 3 or 4?
KP  
Pep22 : 5/23/2018 10:38 am : link
the fact that he hasn't come out and been vocally supportive means:

1) nothing (he's hard at work rehabbing and may have had private discussions w Fizdale)

2) he still has issues w NYK...to the point where, down the road, he might forfeit a lot of $ by not signing an extension and making him a trade candidate

if 2 (let's play along), what might the ransom be? Imagine it is Dallas as a trade partner. Would pick 5 plus a Noah contract dump. --> KP + Noah for Harrison Barnes + # 5 be enough. Would lead to:

C: KOQ, Bamba @ 5
PF: Wendell Carter @ 9
SF: Harrison Barnes
SG: THJ
PG: Ntilikina/Burke

As I look at it, I don't think that is enough from Dallas. Given that, trading KP regardless of his intentions is probably not in the cards.
Idk  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 10:42 am : link
I dont see any of the players in this draft as #1 options. I think KP is on the path to that. I keep KP despite health concerns unless I'm getting the #1/#2 +.
RE: Idk  
Pep22 : 5/23/2018 10:46 am : link
In comment 13972473 giantsfan44ab said:
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I dont see any of the players in this draft as #1 options. I think KP is on the path to that. I keep KP despite health concerns unless I'm getting the #1/#2 +.


you're right...I was just brainstorming out loud
One game..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/23/2018 10:48 am : link
doesn't make a player, but Bridges will struggle to fit in the NBA:

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Pep22 : 9:50 am : link : reply
Miles Bridges is a well coached, vocal leader who seems to be a very hard worker and his athleticism, strength are major assets.


When dared to shoot by Syracuse, he went 4 for 18. He was excellent against lesser competition - not great against the top teams. Look at the difference between the Bucknell and Cuse games. His woeful shooting was the primary reason they went home.
RE: One game..  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 13972500 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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doesn't make a player, but Bridges will struggle to fit in the NBA:



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okay...forget the pedigree
Pep22 : 9:50 am : link : reply
Miles Bridges is a well coached, vocal leader who seems to be a very hard worker and his athleticism, strength are major assets.



When dared to shoot by Syracuse, he went 4 for 18. He was excellent against lesser competition - not great against the top teams. Look at the difference between the Bucknell and Cuse games. His woeful shooting was the primary reason they went home.


A lot of players struggle shooting in college...

He shot 48 percent for his career, and shot 38 percent from 3...

Maybe taking 1 game is not really fair
And syracuse's zone humbles a lot of players  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 10:56 am : link
And this whole notion that bridges does not have a postion...

He is 6 foot 7 220, he can not play the 3 in the nba? And why cant he play the 4? How many teams play 2 big men?

Tucker last night was playing the 5 for stretches
It isn't just one game..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/23/2018 10:58 am : link
though. He thrived against teams like Houston Baptist, North Florida and Stonybrook, and couldn't muster double digits against Indiana, Minnesota or Northwestern.

Had 11 points against Cuse.
Lonnie Walker is like a box of chocolates  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2018 10:58 am : link
You never know what you're gonna get. He had games where he looked tremendous and other games where he looked like he just took up the game last year.
to build on NY16  
Pep22 : 5/23/2018 10:59 am : link
when you've got Simmons, GFreak, all the Celtic wings etc. for many years to come, you better start building some inventory of wings

btw, I am very optimistic that Troy Williams will be a good part of that mix long term
In (BIG10) games  
Pep22 : 5/23/2018 11:02 am : link
he averaged 21/7/3 per 40 minutes,on 50% shooting from 2, 38% from 3, 90% from the line

and  
Pep22 : 5/23/2018 11:03 am : link
Houston Baptist, North Florida and Stony Brook

don't play in that league
RE: It isn't just one game..  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:09 am : link
In comment 13972534 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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though. He thrived against teams like Houston Baptist, North Florida and Stonybrook, and couldn't muster double digits against Indiana, Minnesota or Northwestern.

Had 11 points against Cuse.


Really?

Duke 19 5 and 4
Notre dame 14 6 and 9
Ohio state 17 and 7
Michigan 19 6 and 5
Indiana 22 and 3
Wisconsin 24 and 7
Michigan again 17 and 7

You were saying about only doing it against bad teama?
Glad to see..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/23/2018 11:13 am : link
the Wisconsin game was cherry picked.

How about the last regular season game where he was 3-15 for 10 points?
RE: Glad to see..  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:14 am : link
In comment 13972579 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the Wisconsin game was cherry picked.

How about the last regular season game where he was 3-15 for 10 points?


You said he only did it against bad teams, I just gave you games against good teams...

Of course he was going to have some bad games he is 19...

But the bad games were much fewer than the good games  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:16 am : link
Should we go look at every prospect and see how they played every single game?
And please explain how  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:17 am : link
He cant play the 3 or 4 in the nba?
To win in today's NBA  
Jon in NYC : 5/23/2018 11:17 am : link
you need defense, shooting and passing. Bridges isn't great at any of those.

This is a hot take, but I'm fully on board with Trae Young at 9 if he falls. I think he's going to be a dynamic playmaker.
RE: RE: Glad to see..  
dep026 : 5/23/2018 11:19 am : link
In comment 13972583 nygiants16 said:
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You said he only did it against bad teams, I just gave you games against good teams...

Of course he was going to have some bad games he is 19...


Wisconsin sucked donkey balls last year.

Hi Jon!
Miles bridges  
GMEN46 : 5/23/2018 11:20 am : link
I have watched plenty of him. I am as confident about him being an 8th man at best in as I was about Donovan Mitchell being an absolute stud. Bridges will not fit wel in NBA.

Collin Sexton to jeff Teague comparison is awful. Sexton is tough as nails, Teague is all finesse
Where did I..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/23/2018 11:20 am : link
make any absolute statements that Bridges couldn't do anything against good teams?? Here was my statement:

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FatMan in Charlotte : 10:58 am : link : reply
though. He thrived against teams like Houston Baptist, North Florida and Stonybrook, and couldn't muster double digits against Indiana, Minnesota or Northwestern.


I said he thrived in games against iffy competition and struggled in specific games.
RE: RE: RE: Glad to see..  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:21 am : link
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You said he only did it against bad teams, I just gave you games against good teams...

Of course he was going to have some bad games he is 19...




Wisconsin sucked donkey balls last year.

Hi Jon!


I watched that game Wisconsin played well that game and hard...that was the game the Wisconsin point guard popped out his shoulder and then came right back in...

Only reason I added it was because I watched it and knew how hard Wisconsin played
RE: RE: RE: Glad to see..  
Jon in NYC : 5/23/2018 11:22 am : link
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You said he only did it against bad teams, I just gave you games against good teams...

Of course he was going to have some bad games he is 19...




Wisconsin sucked donkey balls last year.

Hi Jon!


No arguments here.
If Bridges played in a more open  
dep026 : 5/23/2018 11:23 am : link
style offense like Duke, UCLA, UNC - he would be a monster. He has elite athleticism and shoots it well enough to be a factor.

I dont like what Izzo has been doing the last few years as they have underperformed big time in big 10 and tourney play.

A lot of teams dont play guys based on position. They play guys who have multiple skills. I think Bridges was handcuffed at MSU.
RE: Where did I..  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:23 am : link
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make any absolute statements that Bridges couldn't do anything against good teams?? Here was my statement:



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FatMan in Charlotte : 10:58 am : link : reply
though. He thrived against teams like Houston Baptist, North Florida and Stonybrook, and couldn't muster double digits against Indiana, Minnesota or Northwestern.



I said he thrived in games against iffy competition and struggled in specific games.


So you cherry picked 3 games to make a statement that fit your agenda...

I went against that and showed you how well he played against good teams, including a team twice that went to the national championship game...

Still failing to see how the point you made is valid? You basically called me out for cherry picking and you did the exact same thing
RE: RE: RE: RE: Glad to see..  
dep026 : 5/23/2018 11:23 am : link
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You said he only did it against bad teams, I just gave you games against good teams...

Of course he was going to have some bad games he is 19...




Wisconsin sucked donkey balls last year.

Hi Jon!



No arguments here.


Happ pull out of the draft yet, like he should?
RE: If Bridges played in a more open  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:24 am : link
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style offense like Duke, UCLA, UNC - he would be a monster. He has elite athleticism and shoots it well enough to be a factor.

I dont like what Izzo has been doing the last few years as they have underperformed big time in big 10 and tourney play.

A lot of teams dont play guys based on position. They play guys who have multiple skills. I think Bridges was handcuffed at MSU.


Yup basically was forced to play the 3 in college because Izzo recruited all big men...

I can do that with every single prospect  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:26 am : link
Go back and pick 3 games that player struggled in and say well he struggled against good teams.
Trae young  
GMEN46 : 5/23/2018 11:26 am : link
Has no athleticism and cant play defense a recipe for disaster in todays nba for a pg (please spare me the Steph Curry exception). Trae Young is a remote thrower
I think what will make or break Bridges  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 11:26 am : link
is his ability to guard the 3 and switches. I dont see star potential with him due to limited ball handling/vision but I think he can be a decent enough scorer with his shooting and off ball movement and can make basic reads on offense.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Glad to see..  
Jon in NYC : 5/23/2018 11:28 am : link
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You said he only did it against bad teams, I just gave you games against good teams...

Of course he was going to have some bad games he is 19...




Wisconsin sucked donkey balls last year.

Hi Jon!



No arguments here.



Happ pull out of the draft yet, like he should?


No, but I think it's a matter of time.
RE: Trae young  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:29 am : link
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Has no athleticism and cant play defense a recipe for disaster in todays nba for a pg (please spare me the Steph Curry exception). Trae Young is a remote thrower


Can you explain to us all how bridges cant play the 3 or 4?
RE: Trae young  
Jon in NYC : 5/23/2018 11:29 am : link
In comment 13972614 GMEN46 said:
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Has no athleticism and cant play defense a recipe for disaster in todays nba for a pg (please spare me the Steph Curry exception). Trae Young is a remote thrower


He can't dunk, but who gives a shit. He's a great finisher at the rim, and lets see how good his defense is when he isn't responsible for 80% of his team's offense.
RE: To win in today's NBA  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2018 11:29 am : link
In comment 13972589 Jon in NYC said:
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This is a hot take, but I'm fully on board with Trae Young at 9 if he falls. I think he's going to be a dynamic playmaker.


He's not going to be able to guard anyone in the NBA. He could barely even guard anyone in college.
Miles Bridges  
GMEN46 : 5/23/2018 11:30 am : link
Cannot play 3 in todays NBA and I guess he can play the 4, but there is no upside. I dont want to draft players whose ceiling will be 22 mins a night 7 pts and 4 Rebs. Thats not what you shoot for with the 9th pick
RE: Miles Bridges  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:30 am : link
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Cannot play 3 in todays NBA and I guess he can play the 4, but there is no upside. I dont want to draft players whose ceiling will be 22 mins a night 7 pts and 4 Rebs. Thats not what you shoot for with the 9th pick


Why cant he play the 3?

And why is his ceiling 7 and 4?
James Harden and Steph Curry  
dep026 : 5/23/2018 11:31 am : link
cant guard anyone either. Derrick Rose was no lockdown defender his prime years either.
RE: Miles bridges  
Pep22 : 5/23/2018 11:32 am : link
In comment 13972595 GMEN46 said:
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I have watched plenty of him. I am as confident about him being an 8th man at best in as I was about Donovan Mitchell being an absolute stud. Bridges will not fit wel in NBA.

Collin Sexton to jeff Teague comparison is awful. Sexton is tough as nails, Teague is all finesse


The Sexton/Teague comp was about body type only. Reading comprehension.
RE: RE: To win in today's NBA  
Jon in NYC : 5/23/2018 11:32 am : link
In comment 13972630 Greg from LI said:
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This is a hot take, but I'm fully on board with Trae Young at 9 if he falls. I think he's going to be a dynamic playmaker.



He's not going to be able to guard anyone in the NBA. He could barely even guard anyone in college.


He'll never be a plus defender, but with other options on offense he'll be able to put in more effort. He's a great fit next to Frank, and should be a dynamic offensive player. He's an elite shooter and passer. I think Steve Nash is a good comparison, probably better than Steph.
RE: James Harden and Steph Curry  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 11:34 am : link
In comment 13972637 dep026 said:
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cant guard anyone either. Derrick Rose was no lockdown defender his prime years either.


Both Harden and Curry are surrounded by the best defenders in the league. I also think Steph has quickness that Young doesn't have. I guess if the Knicks found stud defenders at the 3 and the 5 they can survive. I think Trae Young is more Trey Burke than steph curry.
Trae young is ultimate boom or bust  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:36 am : link
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RE: Trae young is ultimate boom or bust  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 11:42 am : link
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For that reason I'd understand it, going for the fences. I personally see Young as a high-level 6th man (IT) but offensively KP-Young PnRs could be killer.

Maybe im also higher on Burke than I should be but Burke at least has a bit more length to help out on defense.
Ready for the laugh of the day?  
Anakim : 5/23/2018 11:42 am : link
Tommy Dee

Speaking of trades, heard from a very reliable person that the Knicks and Pelicans had extended talks about Anthony Davis during the 2016-17 season. Sounded like Porzingis, Rose and 2018 1st.
RE: RE: Trae young is ultimate boom or bust  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:47 am : link
In comment 13972678 giantsfan44ab said:
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For that reason I'd understand it, going for the fences. I personally see Young as a high-level 6th man (IT) but offensively KP-Young PnRs could be killer.

Maybe im also higher on Burke than I should be but Burke at least has a bit more length to help out on defense.


I think burke and young are similar, young a little better passer and better 3 point shooter although burke improved that 3 point shot..

Unless you think young can be a superstar I dont see why you add him, you potentially already already have that type of player on the roster and is still young...

Ntlikina and fizdale going to game 5 together in boston  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:57 am : link
According to begely..

Then going to meet lebron after and talk how they can fit together in new york..
RE: Ntlikina and fizdale going to game 5 together in boston  
Anakim : 5/23/2018 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13972727 nygiants16 said:
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According to begely..

Then going to meet lebron after and talk how they can fit together in new york..


"LeBron, our star player will be out for most of the year, but don't worry, we have Lance Thomas. We're definitely an upgrade over the ragtag bunch you have now."
I also wouldn't call Young's shooting elite  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2018 12:06 pm : link
Yes, he made some ridiculous shots at a high rate early in the season, but he finished at 36% for threes and it's not as if the Big 12 is a conference of ferocious defenses.
Better bring Enes too, in case Bron starts any shit with Frankie.  
bceagle05 : 5/23/2018 12:09 pm : link
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RE: Trae young  
RAIN : 5/23/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13972614 GMEN46 said:
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Has no athleticism and cant play defense a recipe for disaster in todays nba for a pg (please spare me the Steph Curry exception). Trae Young is a remote thrower


Nah. Your sleeping on the skill. He's a better passer than Curry coming out. He can be a true pg, can shoot, and can create. With Frankie, they have the combo guard that can do a variety of things to make up for Young's potential problems on D.



Sexton  
RAIN : 5/23/2018 12:39 pm : link
has upper tier athleticism, a great competitor, and is a team leader. He or Young make a lot of sense for the knicks.

I love Shea Gilgeous Alexander's game too, but he and Frank aren't a great combo.
Mikal Bridges  
TyreeHelmet : 5/23/2018 12:48 pm : link
Why do people keep describing him as "low ceiling"? Measures out at 6'7 with a 7'1 wingspan. 43.5% from 3 and 85% FT. Very efficient scorer who doesn't jack alot of shots. With that said, I think he has room to grow as a scorer. Elite defender. Still only 21 years old.

The Knicks need some wings that can D up. Frankie and Mikal with KP as rim protector is a good foundation.
Mikal  
Phil in LA : 5/23/2018 12:58 pm : link
Is the preferable Bridges, but since the Knicks are gonna be young and could be without KP for a while, I hope they choose a high ceiling Freshman.
I think Mikal will be the pick if he's there.  
bceagle05 : 5/23/2018 1:05 pm : link
He just strikes me as a "safe" first pick for the Mills/Perry tandem, and I'm convinced that type of thing factors into their thinking. Good player, high character, winner, familiar to Knicks fans - he fits all the criteria established about defense, character, culture, yada yada yada. I'm fine with it, but I'd be pleasantly surprised if they were a little more daring.
RE: Mikal  
TyreeHelmet : 5/23/2018 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13972883 Phil in LA said:
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Is the preferable Bridges, but since the Knicks are gonna be young and could be without KP for a while, I hope they choose a high ceiling Freshman.


Porter would be the dream pick for me but I just can't see him lasting to 9. Sexton definitely has high upside but I just prefer Mikal as an nba prospect.
RE: I think Mikal will be the pick if he's there.  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13972898 bceagle05 said:
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He just strikes me as a "safe" first pick for the Mills/Perry tandem, and I'm convinced that type of thing factors into their thinking. Good player, high character, winner, familiar to Knicks fans - he fits all the criteria established about defense, character, culture, yada yada yada. I'm fine with it, but I'd be pleasantly surprised if they were a little more daring.


If they go mikal I want a risky player with the 2nd rounder, take a chance...

I know all 2nd rounders are nothing guaranteed but I am talking no draft stash, no 4 year college player who we know his ceiling...
RE: RE: I think Mikal will be the pick if he's there.  
bceagle05 : 5/23/2018 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13972953 nygiants16 said:
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If they go mikal I want a risky player with the 2nd rounder, take a chance...

I know all 2nd rounders are nothing guaranteed but I am talking no draft stash, no 4 year college player who we know his ceiling...


Funny, I was gonna add that if they play it safe with Mikal at #9, I'd like to shoot for the moon with Diallo at #36, if he's there. I agree completely - one safe pick and one gamble. I don't really care which order.
RE: RE: RE: I think Mikal will be the pick if he's there.  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13973002 bceagle05 said:
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If they go mikal I want a risky player with the 2nd rounder, take a chance...

I know all 2nd rounders are nothing guaranteed but I am talking no draft stash, no 4 year college player who we know his ceiling...



Funny, I was gonna add that if they play it safe with Mikal at #9, I'd like to shoot for the moon with Diallo at #36, if he's there. I agree completely - one safe pick and one gamble. I don't really care which order.


Hahaha si weird diallo was the guy I was thinking
RE: RE: Mikal  
Anakim : 5/23/2018 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13972945 TyreeHelmet said:
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Is the preferable Bridges, but since the Knicks are gonna be young and could be without KP for a while, I hope they choose a high ceiling Freshman.



Porter would be the dream pick for me but I just can't see him lasting to 9. Sexton definitely has high upside but I just prefer Mikal as an nba prospect.


Agreed. I think Porter Jr. falling to #9 is the ideal scenario
I dont get the rhetoric that freshman  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 2:16 pm : link
Have tons more NBA upside than upperclasmen later in drafts. From this draft class alone you had Kuzma, Hart, mason, bell, brooks. Year before you had Brogdon and Lavert. 2015 you had Nance, Richardson, and Harrell as the big sleepers. Im not seeing this correlation with freshmen and ceilings; the freshmen that are well regarded are taken high in the draft. The freshmen that go later usually should be staying in college or fear they wont get drafted later on if they do.
RE: I dont get the rhetoric that freshman  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13973051 giantsfan44ab said:
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Have tons more NBA upside than upperclasmen later in drafts. From this draft class alone you had Kuzma, Hart, mason, bell, brooks. Year before you had Brogdon and Lavert. 2015 you had Nance, Richardson, and Harrell as the big sleepers. Im not seeing this correlation with freshmen and ceilings; the freshmen that are well regarded are taken high in the draft. The freshmen that go later usually should be staying in college or fear they wont get drafted later on if they do.


Are any of those guys superstars? Or have a chance to be stars besides maybe luzma?

You draft a freshman because you hope you have not seen their best ball, with seniors you most likely have
Diallo is the Will Hernandez  
Phil in LA : 5/23/2018 2:20 pm : link
of Knicks possible second rounders.
RE: Diallo is the Will Hernandez  
Anakim : 5/23/2018 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13973061 Phil in LA said:
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of Knicks possible second rounders.


I always got the sense that Hami Diallo has always had the potential to be a lot better than he played at Kentucky. He's an INSANE athlete, but he never seemed to play up to it.
Kentucky players are always hard to evaluate  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 2:36 pm : link
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RE: Kentucky players are always hard to evaluate  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 2:50 pm : link
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I think Kentucky BIG men are hard to evaluate because Cal doesn't stretch his bigs out. Which is why there were hidden elements to Skal and KAT. I don't see the same issue with guards/wings from UK.

And back to the freshmen debate. Where are the freshmen superstars that are falling back into the draft? The theory that freshmen have higher upside is just that, a theory. And I'm talking about late 1st/2nd round, not the freshmen that are clogging the top 10-15 of draft boards every year.
RE: RE: Kentucky players are always hard to evaluate  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 2:56 pm : link
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I think Kentucky BIG men are hard to evaluate because Cal doesn't stretch his bigs out. Which is why there were hidden elements to Skal and KAT. I don't see the same issue with guards/wings from UK.

And back to the freshmen debate. Where are the freshmen superstars that are falling back into the draft? The theory that freshmen have higher upside is just that, a theory. And I'm talking about late 1st/2nd round, not the freshmen that are clogging the top 10-15 of draft boards every year.


Did I say you would definitely find a superstar? No what I said was if you are going to go with the safe pick in mikal, go with a riskier type player that might fall and see if you get lucky...

And yes taking freshman is absolutely a bigger risk..

Mikal at worst case is a 3 and d guy, there is no risk there in my eyes...

Look at Booker for example, did anyone know he had playmaking ability? No everyone thought he was a spot up shooter because that is all you saw...

Jaren jackson jr is considered a top pick because of his upside, nothing he did in college it is all upside...

Harry Giles was taken in the 1st round because of his upside
If players were drafted solely on college performance  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 2:58 pm : link
Half these guys would not be considered in the lottery...
RE: If players were drafted solely on college performance  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13973114 nygiants16 said:
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Half these guys would not be considered in the lottery...


NY16 I was talking about the freshmen that fall into the 2nd round. Classifying all of these guys as freshmen and basing it off that I don't think is reflective of the draft process. Guys like Booker aren't who I am referring to. Booker was a surefire lottery pick and was being talked about as high as the 4th-5th pick in some instances. Diallo is not at all that. He wasn't riding the pine behind the harrison twins, he started every game. Couldn't pass, couldn't hit 3s, shitty FT shooter and a non-defender.

There were tangible basketball skills pushing Booker's stock. Same with JJJ (3 blocks a game in 20 mpg, combined with 3 point shooting and freakish athleticism). Diallo's stock is all based on athleticism and HS tape. He wasn't overshadowed by other UK starters like Booker or Bledsoe were.

My point stands: where are all these freshmen falling to the 2nd round that are blowing the NBA out of the water? All the sleepers end up being upper classmen that fell due to age and not strictly basketball ability. Freshman in the 2nd round certainly are bigger risks, but are also lower rewards.
Giantsfan you are missing my point  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 3:13 pm : link
All I am saying is taking a guy with a little higher upside...

Upper classmen 9 times out of 10 you have seen their best...

I want 1 of the draft picks to be a riskier guy with higher upside, that is all I am saying..

I dont want to "safe" picks
Miles Bridges is an undersized PF. Unless he can develop a handle,  
Jim in Hoboken : 5/23/2018 3:21 pm : link
he is not going to be an upper tier player. He can be an athletic marvel, but its hard to develop a perimeter game. Knocking down open 3s and catching lobs dont translate to a great player. Also, I havent seen him being labeled a great defender.

Id call him a poor mans Derrick Williams, who was even more impressive in college.

Same thing with Mikal. Undersized SF.

We need somebody with a dynamic offensive game.
And I'm saying  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 3:23 pm : link
upside doesn't reside in age. You aren't finding superstars frequently in general in the 2nd round. More often than not it's the upper classmen that have more upside later in drafts. Draymond, Kuzma, Milsap were some of the best 2nd rounders to come out ever, all were upper classmen. Euro players are the other ones that end up being sleepers (Marc Gasol, Ginobili, Jokic)
RE: Miles Bridges is an undersized PF. Unless he can develop a handle,  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13973130 Jim in Hoboken said:
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he is not going to be an upper tier player. He can be an athletic marvel, but its hard to develop a perimeter game. Knocking down open 3s and catching lobs dont translate to a great player. Also, I havent seen him being labeled a great defender.

Id call him a poor mans Derrick Williams, who was even more impressive in college.

Same thing with Mikal. Undersized SF.

We need somebody with a dynamic offensive game.


Why cant he play small forward?

And why cant mikal play small forward?

It cant be because they are to big
Mikal will most likely be a 2/3  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 3:29 pm : link
Miles will be a 3/4
Frankie Smokes!  
Jon in NYC : 5/23/2018 4:15 pm : link
Miles cannot  
GMEN46 : 5/23/2018 4:27 pm : link
Guard NBA 3s, he would get toasted everytime. Here is my early preference.

1. Porter Jr. - if he is there at 6-7 range I would offer, 2020 protected 1st rounder to move up.
2. Sexton

If you cant get either of these guys I would see if Clippers would take 9 and 36 for 12 and 13.

If that trade is not possible then

3. Mikhail Bridges
4. Knox
RE: Miles cannot  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13973236 GMEN46 said:
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Guard NBA 3s, he would get toasted everytime. Here is my early preference.

1. Porter Jr. - if he is there at 6-7 range I would offer, 2020 protected 1st rounder to move up.
2. Sexton

If you cant get either of these guys I would see if Clippers would take 9 and 36 for 12 and 13.

If that trade is not possible then

3. Mikhail Bridges
4. Knox


Hahahahaha he guarded 3s in college and I am sure college 3s are much smaller than nba 3s...

In fact if the Knicks drafted him and started him he would be one of the smallest 3s in the nba starter wise...

But please tell me again how he cant guard 3s because he would be toasted
Porter  
RAIN : 5/23/2018 4:51 pm : link
has some red flags around his character.
Nba all defensive teams announced  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 5:00 pm : link
Nothing all that surprising, aside from Dejounte Murray getting on the all second team. No Knicks got votes :(
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Mikal  
Jon in NYC : 5/23/2018 5:15 pm : link
compares favorably to Covington, who just was named all first team defense. He, KP and Frank is a really powerful defensive trio who can all shoot (I'm projecting a big for Frank here). That's a really nice cornerstone to build around.
RE: Mikal  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 5:29 pm : link
In comment 13973297 Jon in NYC said:
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compares favorably to Covington, who just was named all first team defense. He, KP and Frank is a really powerful defensive trio who can all shoot (I'm projecting a big for Frank here). That's a really nice cornerstone to build around.


It gives you a nice defensive base to. Build around
RE: Mikal  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 5:34 pm : link
In comment 13973297 Jon in NYC said:
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compares favorably to Covington, who just was named all first team defense. He, KP and Frank is a really powerful defensive trio who can all shoot (I'm projecting a big for Frank here). That's a really nice cornerstone to build around.


The Mavs championship team obviously looks like an anomaly but that's kind of how I see the Knicks path to contention. Get lockdown defenders that can shoot and run the offense through KP. PGs and Centers are the two easiest positions to add through FA or through trade.
Mudiay and Dotson  
bceagle05 : 5/23/2018 6:39 pm : link
are with Fiz and Frank in Boston.
What are Mikals measurements?  
adamg : 5/23/2018 6:57 pm : link
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Whats Miles 3-cone? Haha, it seems to be he is more vertically  
Jim in Hoboken : 5/23/2018 7:09 pm : link
explosive but might not be sufficiently agile to guard 3s. Skill-wise he is a 4, but size-wise hes a 3.

There is no way you can tell me that you have full confidence he will add a dribble-drive game. I am also not convinced that he has the quicks to guard on the perimeter.

Undersized 4s from college usually dont translate to the pros.

Nobody is saying hes too small to guard 3s. And how dare you question GMen46 after the Mitchell debacle?

Mikal looks to me like a taller Kittles. I am not excited about that at all.
RE: Whats Miles 3-cone? Haha, it seems to be he is more vertically  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 7:38 pm : link
In comment 13973399 Jim in Hoboken said:
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explosive but might not be sufficiently agile to guard 3s. Skill-wise he is a 4, but size-wise hes a 3.

There is no way you can tell me that you have full confidence he will add a dribble-drive game. I am also not convinced that he has the quicks to guard on the perimeter.

Undersized 4s from college usually dont translate to the pros.

Nobody is saying hes too small to guard 3s. And how dare you question GMen46 after the Mitchell debacle?

Mikal looks to me like a taller Kittles. I am not excited about that at all.


He guarded 3s in college and played the 3 in college...

He guarded much smaller players in college and not for nothing he wouldn't be guarding guys smaller than him in the pros...

And so gmen46 guessed right on one player so we should all listen to him? What a joke...



Relax, the point is nobody truly knows how these players will turn  
Jim in Hoboken : 5/23/2018 8:18 pm : link
out, even the pro personnel people.

However, the objective should be to swing for the fences, not look for singles and doubles. You don't build a championship team by stockpiling role players.
RE: Relax, the point is nobody truly knows how these players will turn  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 8:23 pm : link
In comment 13973448 Jim in Hoboken said:
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out, even the pro personnel people.

However, the objective should be to swing for the fences, not look for singles and doubles. You don't build a championship team by stockpiling role players.


Then we view miles bridges completely different...

Mikal I agree he is the safe conservative pick, miles I think is going to surprise a lot of people
RE: Porter  
Anakim : 5/23/2018 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13973271 RAIN said:
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has some red flags around his character.


Really? What about? Seems like a good kid.

Scoring and character are must-haves for stars, and he has both, a scout texted me. [Porter] maybe ends up a star but its unobvious now. Last player everyone knew [would shine] out of high school was [Anthony Davis].
Nygiants16  
GMEN46 : 5/23/2018 8:41 pm : link
You are such a hater on my scouting skill set. Why not show some respect
RE: Nygiants16  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13973502 GMEN46 said:
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You are such a hater on my scouting skill set. Why not show some respect


I gave you respect for calling out Mitchell but I am not going to bow down to you because you got 1 right...

The continual..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/23/2018 9:34 pm : link
defense of Miles Bridges as a top prospect seems to be misguided here.

When you look at recent comps to him, he's too much of a tweener to find a role in the NBA.
RE: The continual..  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13973583 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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defense of Miles Bridges as a top prospect seems to be misguided here.

When you look at recent comps to him, he's too much of a tweener to find a role in the NBA.


everyone is a tweener in the nba now, everyone plays positionless basketball...

last night the the rockets were playing ariza and tucker as big men...

draymond green is a starting center...

teams are going smaller and faster..

and there is zero evidence he cant play the 3, he is 6 foot 7 and 220, he absolutely can play the 3
What  
Jon in NYC : 5/23/2018 11:21 pm : link
does Miles Bridges do well other than jump?

RE: What  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:29 pm : link
In comment 13973736 Jon in NYC said:
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does Miles Bridges do well other than jump?


good passer, almost averaged 3 assists his 2 years at michigan state...

improved mid range, and i think his 3 point shot will be fine in the nba, neess to inprove but i think he can do it...

versatile player, can pkay the 3 or 4 with kp at the 5 against certain teams...

obviously very good athlete..

hard worker, gym rat, got to michigan state at 240, weighed in at the combine 220 with 5 percent body fat...

good head on his shoulders, was a leader on his team as a sopjmore...

ubder utilized in my opinion at michigan state, they had a lot of big man, i thknk would of showed more in a more up tempo offense...

fizdale wants positionless and free flowing offense, i think he fits it perfectly
will be a very good rebounder  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:31 pm : link
i think he can be a very good defender, i dont think effort will be a problem..

i see a ton of upside with him...

it is why i also like knox...
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Jon in NYC : 5/23/2018 11:33 pm : link
In comment 13973742 nygiants16 said:
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does Miles Bridges do well other than jump?




good passer, almost averaged 3 assists his 2 years at michigan state...

improved mid range, and i think his 3 point shot will be fine in the nba, neess to inprove but i think he can do it...

versatile player, can pkay the 3 or 4 with kp at the 5 against certain teams...

obviously very good athlete..

hard worker, gym rat, got to michigan state at 240, weighed in at the combine 220 with 5 percent body fat...

good head on his shoulders, was a leader on his team as a sopjmore...

ubder utilized in my opinion at michigan state, they had a lot of big man, i thknk would of showed more in a more up tempo offense...

fizdale wants positionless and free flowing offense, i think he fits it perfectly


Almost averaged 3 assists? Not giving you credit for that, I'm sorry.

You just named a bunch of non NBA skills and fluff terms and that his shooting needs to improve.
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nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:37 pm : link
he shot 48 percent from 2, and 38 percent from 3...

doesnt have to improve that much
Some thoughts from Adam Zagoria, who's not a bad source.  
bceagle05 : 5/24/2018 12:22 am : link
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"I'd be shocked if they took a guard at 9," the league source told SNY.tv. "I'd be shocked." The Knicks have a glut of point guards in Trey Burke, Emmanuel Mudiay, and Frank Ntilikina, all of whom worked out at the team's Tarrytown facility earlier this week.

The wing-starved Knicks are more likely to to select a wing or a four man. There is a chance Duke's Wendell Carter Jr., or Missouri's Michael Porter Jr. could fall to the Knicks at 9, but that doesn't appear likely. The 6-10 Carter Jr. is projected at No. 7 to the Bulls and the 6-10 Porter Jr. is projected to go to the Cavs at 8, per ESPN.

"Everybody wants Carter and Porter to fall," the source said. "[The Knicks] are looking for a wing, a four, a five, they're not taking a guard. They're not taking a guard."

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You Miles Bridges fans  
GMEN46 : 5/24/2018 12:39 am : link
Are either MSU alums or you are not watching the same film. You can watch him for 10 minutes and realize he will be an average NBA player at best. Its the same thing I said last year I dont want average with a lottery pick.
ESPN's Mock Draft has the Knicks taking Mikal Bridges  
Anakim : 5/29/2018 9:35 pm : link
It also has Michael Porter Jr. still available after 10 picks
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Anakim : 5/29/2018 9:35 pm : link
Tankathon.com
@tankathon

ESPN Mock show had Michael Porter at 15. Back and "teammate" quality concerns expressed. Seems crazy to have him out of the lottery to me. 🤷‍♂️

Porter  
Jon in NYC : 5/29/2018 9:41 pm : link
has too much upside to pass on at 9.
RE: Porter  
Anakim : 5/29/2018 10:05 pm : link
In comment 13978322 Jon in NYC said:
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has too much upside to pass on at 9.


Agreed
This Bryan Colangelo stuff is fascinating  
Anakim : 5/29/2018 10:30 pm : link
Reminds me of SG0705
Haha, oh shit. Colangelo wrote that he would trade Embiid for KP  
Anakim : 5/29/2018 10:51 pm : link
Could live with Mikal Bridges  
ghost718 : 5/29/2018 11:18 pm : link
But I would take Troy Brown over him,but that's just me.

Not really a fan of his twin brother Miles
Just saw the combine numbers but Troy Brown tested pretty badly.  
Jim in Hoboken : 5/29/2018 11:40 pm : link
The Knicks would be lucky to sniff Porter. Once teams see how well he shoots and moves for somone so big, whatever concerns go out the window. Health issues are different though but I havent read his back issues will linger. Admittedly I dont know much about the exact nature of his back problem.

Carter didnt stand out at Duke, didnt seem that explosive off the floor, I wouldnt be that excited about him.

How teams view Sexton and Young will be key.
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