Assistants:
Keith Smart - hired
Jud Bueschler - rumored to be close to being hired
Van Exel - does not seem to be in the mix
Mike Woodson - unclear
Draft chat:
the more I investigate these guys the more I like:
Miles Bridges: Izzo/Michigan State pedigree is significant, kid has a strong personality and a tenacious style, athleticism/strength/lefty-ness all serve him well to overcome lack of ideal length
Lonnie Walker: smart, great kid, great athleticism, length etc., best 2 in the draft, the notion of Ntilikina/Walker growing into an eventual starting backcourt is appealing; the presence of Courtney Lee is not at all worrisome as it relates to Walker, but Hardaway's presence may be enough to force NYK to look away from a 2 at the 9 spot. Unfortunate because I think this kid will ultimately be a top 5 player from this draft.
one the other hand:
Mikal Bridges seems too "low ceiling" to me.
Neither Trae Young nor Collin Sexton are attractive enough.
Wendell Carter and KP would struggle to coexist in today's NBA.
This is a hot take, but I'm fully on board with Trae Young at 9 if he falls. I think he's going to be a dynamic playmaker.
You said he only did it against bad teams, I just gave you games against good teams...
Of course he was going to have some bad games he is 19...
Wisconsin sucked donkey balls last year.
Hi Jon!
Collin Sexton to jeff Teague comparison is awful. Sexton is tough as nails, Teague is all finesse
FatMan in Charlotte : 10:58 am : link : reply
though. He thrived against teams like Houston Baptist, North Florida and Stonybrook, and couldn't muster double digits against Indiana, Minnesota or Northwestern.
I said he thrived in games against iffy competition and struggled in specific games.
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You said he only did it against bad teams, I just gave you games against good teams...
Of course he was going to have some bad games he is 19...
Wisconsin sucked donkey balls last year.
Hi Jon!
I watched that game Wisconsin played well that game and hard...that was the game the Wisconsin point guard popped out his shoulder and then came right back in...
Only reason I added it was because I watched it and knew how hard Wisconsin played
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You said he only did it against bad teams, I just gave you games against good teams...
Of course he was going to have some bad games he is 19...
Wisconsin sucked donkey balls last year.
Hi Jon!
No arguments here.
I dont like what Izzo has been doing the last few years as they have underperformed big time in big 10 and tourney play.
A lot of teams dont play guys based on position. They play guys who have multiple skills. I think Bridges was handcuffed at MSU.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 10:58 am : link : reply
though. He thrived against teams like Houston Baptist, North Florida and Stonybrook, and couldn't muster double digits against Indiana, Minnesota or Northwestern.
I said he thrived in games against iffy competition and struggled in specific games.
So you cherry picked 3 games to make a statement that fit your agenda...
I went against that and showed you how well he played against good teams, including a team twice that went to the national championship game...
Still failing to see how the point you made is valid? You basically called me out for cherry picking and you did the exact same thing
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You said he only did it against bad teams, I just gave you games against good teams...
Of course he was going to have some bad games he is 19...
Wisconsin sucked donkey balls last year.
Hi Jon!
No arguments here.
Happ pull out of the draft yet, like he should?
I dont like what Izzo has been doing the last few years as they have underperformed big time in big 10 and tourney play.
A lot of teams dont play guys based on position. They play guys who have multiple skills. I think Bridges was handcuffed at MSU.
Yup basically was forced to play the 3 in college because Izzo recruited all big men...
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You said he only did it against bad teams, I just gave you games against good teams...
Of course he was going to have some bad games he is 19...
Wisconsin sucked donkey balls last year.
Hi Jon!
No arguments here.
Happ pull out of the draft yet, like he should?
No, but I think it's a matter of time.
Can you explain to us all how bridges cant play the 3 or 4?
He can't dunk, but who gives a shit. He's a great finisher at the rim, and lets see how good his defense is when he isn't responsible for 80% of his team's offense.
He's not going to be able to guard anyone in the NBA. He could barely even guard anyone in college.
Why cant he play the 3?
And why is his ceiling 7 and 4?
Collin Sexton to jeff Teague comparison is awful. Sexton is tough as nails, Teague is all finesse
The Sexton/Teague comp was about body type only. Reading comprehension.
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This is a hot take, but I'm fully on board with Trae Young at 9 if he falls. I think he's going to be a dynamic playmaker.
He's not going to be able to guard anyone in the NBA. He could barely even guard anyone in college.
He'll never be a plus defender, but with other options on offense he'll be able to put in more effort. He's a great fit next to Frank, and should be a dynamic offensive player. He's an elite shooter and passer. I think Steve Nash is a good comparison, probably better than Steph.
Both Harden and Curry are surrounded by the best defenders in the league. I also think Steph has quickness that Young doesn't have. I guess if the Knicks found stud defenders at the 3 and the 5 they can survive. I think Trae Young is more Trey Burke than steph curry.
For that reason I'd understand it, going for the fences. I personally see Young as a high-level 6th man (IT) but offensively KP-Young PnRs could be killer.
Maybe im also higher on Burke than I should be but Burke at least has a bit more length to help out on defense.
Speaking of trades, heard from a very reliable person that the Knicks and Pelicans had extended talks about Anthony Davis during the 2016-17 season. Sounded like Porzingis, Rose and 2018 1st.
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For that reason I'd understand it, going for the fences. I personally see Young as a high-level 6th man (IT) but offensively KP-Young PnRs could be killer.
Maybe im also higher on Burke than I should be but Burke at least has a bit more length to help out on defense.
I think burke and young are similar, young a little better passer and better 3 point shooter although burke improved that 3 point shot..
Unless you think young can be a superstar I dont see why you add him, you potentially already already have that type of player on the roster and is still young...
Then going to meet lebron after and talk how they can fit together in new york..
Then going to meet lebron after and talk how they can fit together in new york..
"LeBron, our star player will be out for most of the year, but don't worry, we have Lance Thomas. We're definitely an upgrade over the ragtag bunch you have now."
Nah. Your sleeping on the skill. He's a better passer than Curry coming out. He can be a true pg, can shoot, and can create. With Frankie, they have the combo guard that can do a variety of things to make up for Young's potential problems on D.
I love Shea Gilgeous Alexander's game too, but he and Frank aren't a great combo.
The Knicks need some wings that can D up. Frankie and Mikal with KP as rim protector is a good foundation.
Porter would be the dream pick for me but I just can't see him lasting to 9. Sexton definitely has high upside but I just prefer Mikal as an nba prospect.
If they go mikal I want a risky player with the 2nd rounder, take a chance...
I know all 2nd rounders are nothing guaranteed but I am talking no draft stash, no 4 year college player who we know his ceiling...
I know all 2nd rounders are nothing guaranteed but I am talking no draft stash, no 4 year college player who we know his ceiling...
Funny, I was gonna add that if they play it safe with Mikal at #9, I'd like to shoot for the moon with Diallo at #36, if he's there. I agree completely - one safe pick and one gamble. I don't really care which order.
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If they go mikal I want a risky player with the 2nd rounder, take a chance...
I know all 2nd rounders are nothing guaranteed but I am talking no draft stash, no 4 year college player who we know his ceiling...
Funny, I was gonna add that if they play it safe with Mikal at #9, I'd like to shoot for the moon with Diallo at #36, if he's there. I agree completely - one safe pick and one gamble. I don't really care which order.
Hahaha si weird diallo was the guy I was thinking
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Is the preferable Bridges, but since the Knicks are gonna be young and could be without KP for a while, I hope they choose a high ceiling Freshman.
Porter would be the dream pick for me but I just can't see him lasting to 9. Sexton definitely has high upside but I just prefer Mikal as an nba prospect.
Agreed. I think Porter Jr. falling to #9 is the ideal scenario
Are any of those guys superstars? Or have a chance to be stars besides maybe luzma?
You draft a freshman because you hope you have not seen their best ball, with seniors you most likely have
I always got the sense that Hami Diallo has always had the potential to be a lot better than he played at Kentucky. He's an INSANE athlete, but he never seemed to play up to it.
I think Kentucky BIG men are hard to evaluate because Cal doesn't stretch his bigs out. Which is why there were hidden elements to Skal and KAT. I don't see the same issue with guards/wings from UK.
And back to the freshmen debate. Where are the freshmen superstars that are falling back into the draft? The theory that freshmen have higher upside is just that, a theory. And I'm talking about late 1st/2nd round, not the freshmen that are clogging the top 10-15 of draft boards every year.
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I think Kentucky BIG men are hard to evaluate because Cal doesn't stretch his bigs out. Which is why there were hidden elements to Skal and KAT. I don't see the same issue with guards/wings from UK.
And back to the freshmen debate. Where are the freshmen superstars that are falling back into the draft? The theory that freshmen have higher upside is just that, a theory. And I'm talking about late 1st/2nd round, not the freshmen that are clogging the top 10-15 of draft boards every year.
Did I say you would definitely find a superstar? No what I said was if you are going to go with the safe pick in mikal, go with a riskier type player that might fall and see if you get lucky...
And yes taking freshman is absolutely a bigger risk..
Mikal at worst case is a 3 and d guy, there is no risk there in my eyes...
Look at Booker for example, did anyone know he had playmaking ability? No everyone thought he was a spot up shooter because that is all you saw...
Jaren jackson jr is considered a top pick because of his upside, nothing he did in college it is all upside...
Harry Giles was taken in the 1st round because of his upside