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Pep22 : 5/23/2018 9:19 am
Assistants:

Keith Smart - hired
Jud Bueschler - rumored to be close to being hired
Van Exel - does not seem to be in the mix
Mike Woodson - unclear

Draft chat:

the more I investigate these guys the more I like:

Miles Bridges: Izzo/Michigan State pedigree is significant, kid has a strong personality and a tenacious style, athleticism/strength/lefty-ness all serve him well to overcome lack of ideal length

Lonnie Walker: smart, great kid, great athleticism, length etc., best 2 in the draft, the notion of Ntilikina/Walker growing into an eventual starting backcourt is appealing; the presence of Courtney Lee is not at all worrisome as it relates to Walker, but Hardaway's presence may be enough to force NYK to look away from a 2 at the 9 spot. Unfortunate because I think this kid will ultimately be a top 5 player from this draft.

one the other hand:

Mikal Bridges seems too "low ceiling" to me.

Neither Trae Young nor Collin Sexton are attractive enough.

Wendell Carter and KP would struggle to coexist in today's NBA.
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But the bad games were much fewer than the good games  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:16 am : link
Should we go look at every prospect and see how they played every single game?
And please explain how  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:17 am : link
He cant play the 3 or 4 in the nba?
To win in today's NBA  
Jon in NYC : 5/23/2018 11:17 am : link
you need defense, shooting and passing. Bridges isn't great at any of those.

This is a hot take, but I'm fully on board with Trae Young at 9 if he falls. I think he's going to be a dynamic playmaker.
RE: RE: Glad to see..  
dep026 : 5/23/2018 11:19 am : link
In comment 13972583 nygiants16 said:
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You said he only did it against bad teams, I just gave you games against good teams...

Of course he was going to have some bad games he is 19...


Wisconsin sucked donkey balls last year.

Hi Jon!
Miles bridges  
GMEN46 : 5/23/2018 11:20 am : link
I have watched plenty of him. I am as confident about him being an 8th man at best in as I was about Donovan Mitchell being an absolute stud. Bridges will not fit wel in NBA.

Collin Sexton to jeff Teague comparison is awful. Sexton is tough as nails, Teague is all finesse
Where did I..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/23/2018 11:20 am : link
make any absolute statements that Bridges couldn't do anything against good teams?? Here was my statement:

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It isn't just one game..
FatMan in Charlotte : 10:58 am : link : reply
though. He thrived against teams like Houston Baptist, North Florida and Stonybrook, and couldn't muster double digits against Indiana, Minnesota or Northwestern.


I said he thrived in games against iffy competition and struggled in specific games.
RE: RE: RE: Glad to see..  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:21 am : link
In comment 13972592 dep026 said:
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You said he only did it against bad teams, I just gave you games against good teams...

Of course he was going to have some bad games he is 19...




Wisconsin sucked donkey balls last year.

Hi Jon!


I watched that game Wisconsin played well that game and hard...that was the game the Wisconsin point guard popped out his shoulder and then came right back in...

Only reason I added it was because I watched it and knew how hard Wisconsin played
RE: RE: RE: Glad to see..  
Jon in NYC : 5/23/2018 11:22 am : link
In comment 13972592 dep026 said:
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You said he only did it against bad teams, I just gave you games against good teams...

Of course he was going to have some bad games he is 19...




Wisconsin sucked donkey balls last year.

Hi Jon!


No arguments here.
If Bridges played in a more open  
dep026 : 5/23/2018 11:23 am : link
style offense like Duke, UCLA, UNC - he would be a monster. He has elite athleticism and shoots it well enough to be a factor.

I dont like what Izzo has been doing the last few years as they have underperformed big time in big 10 and tourney play.

A lot of teams dont play guys based on position. They play guys who have multiple skills. I think Bridges was handcuffed at MSU.
RE: Where did I..  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 13972596 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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make any absolute statements that Bridges couldn't do anything against good teams?? Here was my statement:



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It isn't just one game..
FatMan in Charlotte : 10:58 am : link : reply
though. He thrived against teams like Houston Baptist, North Florida and Stonybrook, and couldn't muster double digits against Indiana, Minnesota or Northwestern.



I said he thrived in games against iffy competition and struggled in specific games.


So you cherry picked 3 games to make a statement that fit your agenda...

I went against that and showed you how well he played against good teams, including a team twice that went to the national championship game...

Still failing to see how the point you made is valid? You basically called me out for cherry picking and you did the exact same thing
RE: RE: RE: RE: Glad to see..  
dep026 : 5/23/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 13972601 Jon in NYC said:
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You said he only did it against bad teams, I just gave you games against good teams...

Of course he was going to have some bad games he is 19...




Wisconsin sucked donkey balls last year.

Hi Jon!



No arguments here.


Happ pull out of the draft yet, like he should?
RE: If Bridges played in a more open  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:24 am : link
In comment 13972605 dep026 said:
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style offense like Duke, UCLA, UNC - he would be a monster. He has elite athleticism and shoots it well enough to be a factor.

I dont like what Izzo has been doing the last few years as they have underperformed big time in big 10 and tourney play.

A lot of teams dont play guys based on position. They play guys who have multiple skills. I think Bridges was handcuffed at MSU.


Yup basically was forced to play the 3 in college because Izzo recruited all big men...

I can do that with every single prospect  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:26 am : link
Go back and pick 3 games that player struggled in and say well he struggled against good teams.
Trae young  
GMEN46 : 5/23/2018 11:26 am : link
Has no athleticism and can’t play defense a recipe for disaster in today’s nba for a pg (please spare me the Steph Curry exception). Trae Young is a remote thrower
I think what will make or break Bridges  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 11:26 am : link
is his ability to guard the 3 and switches. I dont see star potential with him due to limited ball handling/vision but I think he can be a decent enough scorer with his shooting and off ball movement and can make basic reads on offense.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Glad to see..  
Jon in NYC : 5/23/2018 11:28 am : link
In comment 13972608 dep026 said:
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You said he only did it against bad teams, I just gave you games against good teams...

Of course he was going to have some bad games he is 19...




Wisconsin sucked donkey balls last year.

Hi Jon!



No arguments here.



Happ pull out of the draft yet, like he should?


No, but I think it's a matter of time.
RE: Trae young  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:29 am : link
In comment 13972614 GMEN46 said:
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Has no athleticism and can’t play defense a recipe for disaster in today’s nba for a pg (please spare me the Steph Curry exception). Trae Young is a remote thrower


Can you explain to us all how bridges cant play the 3 or 4?
RE: Trae young  
Jon in NYC : 5/23/2018 11:29 am : link
In comment 13972614 GMEN46 said:
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Has no athleticism and can’t play defense a recipe for disaster in today’s nba for a pg (please spare me the Steph Curry exception). Trae Young is a remote thrower


He can't dunk, but who gives a shit. He's a great finisher at the rim, and lets see how good his defense is when he isn't responsible for 80% of his team's offense.
RE: To win in today's NBA  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2018 11:29 am : link
In comment 13972589 Jon in NYC said:
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This is a hot take, but I'm fully on board with Trae Young at 9 if he falls. I think he's going to be a dynamic playmaker.


He's not going to be able to guard anyone in the NBA. He could barely even guard anyone in college.
Miles Bridges  
GMEN46 : 5/23/2018 11:30 am : link
Cannot play 3 in today’s NBA and I guess he can play the 4, but there is no upside. I don’t want to draft players whose ceiling will be 22 mins a night 7 pts and 4 Rebs. That’s not what you shoot for with the 9th pick
RE: Miles Bridges  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:30 am : link
In comment 13972634 GMEN46 said:
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Cannot play 3 in today’s NBA and I guess he can play the 4, but there is no upside. I don’t want to draft players whose ceiling will be 22 mins a night 7 pts and 4 Rebs. That’s not what you shoot for with the 9th pick


Why cant he play the 3?

And why is his ceiling 7 and 4?
James Harden and Steph Curry  
dep026 : 5/23/2018 11:31 am : link
cant guard anyone either. Derrick Rose was no lockdown defender his prime years either.
RE: Miles bridges  
Pep22 : 5/23/2018 11:32 am : link
In comment 13972595 GMEN46 said:
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I have watched plenty of him. I am as confident about him being an 8th man at best in as I was about Donovan Mitchell being an absolute stud. Bridges will not fit wel in NBA.

Collin Sexton to jeff Teague comparison is awful. Sexton is tough as nails, Teague is all finesse


The Sexton/Teague comp was about body type only. Reading comprehension.
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Jon in NYC : 5/23/2018 11:32 am : link
In comment 13972630 Greg from LI said:
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This is a hot take, but I'm fully on board with Trae Young at 9 if he falls. I think he's going to be a dynamic playmaker.



He's not going to be able to guard anyone in the NBA. He could barely even guard anyone in college.


He'll never be a plus defender, but with other options on offense he'll be able to put in more effort. He's a great fit next to Frank, and should be a dynamic offensive player. He's an elite shooter and passer. I think Steve Nash is a good comparison, probably better than Steph.
RE: James Harden and Steph Curry  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 11:34 am : link
In comment 13972637 dep026 said:
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cant guard anyone either. Derrick Rose was no lockdown defender his prime years either.


Both Harden and Curry are surrounded by the best defenders in the league. I also think Steph has quickness that Young doesn't have. I guess if the Knicks found stud defenders at the 3 and the 5 they can survive. I think Trae Young is more Trey Burke than steph curry.
Trae young is ultimate boom or bust  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:36 am : link
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RE: Trae young is ultimate boom or bust  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 11:42 am : link
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For that reason I'd understand it, going for the fences. I personally see Young as a high-level 6th man (IT) but offensively KP-Young PnRs could be killer.

Maybe im also higher on Burke than I should be but Burke at least has a bit more length to help out on defense.
Ready for the laugh of the day?  
Anakim : 5/23/2018 11:42 am : link
Tommy Dee

Speaking of trades, heard from a very reliable person that the Knicks and Pelicans had extended talks about Anthony Davis during the 2016-17 season. Sounded like Porzingis, Rose and 2018 1st.
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nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:47 am : link
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For that reason I'd understand it, going for the fences. I personally see Young as a high-level 6th man (IT) but offensively KP-Young PnRs could be killer.

Maybe im also higher on Burke than I should be but Burke at least has a bit more length to help out on defense.


I think burke and young are similar, young a little better passer and better 3 point shooter although burke improved that 3 point shot..

Unless you think young can be a superstar I dont see why you add him, you potentially already already have that type of player on the roster and is still young...

Ntlikina and fizdale going to game 5 together in boston  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 11:57 am : link
According to begely..

Then going to meet lebron after and talk how they can fit together in new york..
RE: Ntlikina and fizdale going to game 5 together in boston  
Anakim : 5/23/2018 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13972727 nygiants16 said:
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According to begely..

Then going to meet lebron after and talk how they can fit together in new york..


"LeBron, our star player will be out for most of the year, but don't worry, we have Lance Thomas. We're definitely an upgrade over the ragtag bunch you have now."
I also wouldn't call Young's shooting elite  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2018 12:06 pm : link
Yes, he made some ridiculous shots at a high rate early in the season, but he finished at 36% for threes and it's not as if the Big 12 is a conference of ferocious defenses.
Better bring Enes too, in case Bron starts any shit with Frankie.  
bceagle05 : 5/23/2018 12:09 pm : link
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RE: Trae young  
RAIN : 5/23/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13972614 GMEN46 said:
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Has no athleticism and can’t play defense a recipe for disaster in today’s nba for a pg (please spare me the Steph Curry exception). Trae Young is a remote thrower


Nah. Your sleeping on the skill. He's a better passer than Curry coming out. He can be a true pg, can shoot, and can create. With Frankie, they have the combo guard that can do a variety of things to make up for Young's potential problems on D.



Sexton  
RAIN : 5/23/2018 12:39 pm : link
has upper tier athleticism, a great competitor, and is a team leader. He or Young make a lot of sense for the knicks.

I love Shea Gilgeous Alexander's game too, but he and Frank aren't a great combo.
Mikal Bridges  
TyreeHelmet : 5/23/2018 12:48 pm : link
Why do people keep describing him as "low ceiling"? Measures out at 6'7 with a 7'1 wingspan. 43.5% from 3 and 85% FT. Very efficient scorer who doesn't jack alot of shots. With that said, I think he has room to grow as a scorer. Elite defender. Still only 21 years old.

The Knicks need some wings that can D up. Frankie and Mikal with KP as rim protector is a good foundation.
Mikal  
Phil in LA : 5/23/2018 12:58 pm : link
Is the preferable Bridges, but since the Knicks are gonna be young and could be without KP for a while, I hope they choose a high ceiling Freshman.
I think Mikal will be the pick if he's there.  
bceagle05 : 5/23/2018 1:05 pm : link
He just strikes me as a "safe" first pick for the Mills/Perry tandem, and I'm convinced that type of thing factors into their thinking. Good player, high character, winner, familiar to Knicks fans - he fits all the criteria established about defense, character, culture, yada yada yada. I'm fine with it, but I'd be pleasantly surprised if they were a little more daring.
RE: Mikal  
TyreeHelmet : 5/23/2018 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13972883 Phil in LA said:
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Is the preferable Bridges, but since the Knicks are gonna be young and could be without KP for a while, I hope they choose a high ceiling Freshman.


Porter would be the dream pick for me but I just can't see him lasting to 9. Sexton definitely has high upside but I just prefer Mikal as an nba prospect.
RE: I think Mikal will be the pick if he's there.  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13972898 bceagle05 said:
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He just strikes me as a "safe" first pick for the Mills/Perry tandem, and I'm convinced that type of thing factors into their thinking. Good player, high character, winner, familiar to Knicks fans - he fits all the criteria established about defense, character, culture, yada yada yada. I'm fine with it, but I'd be pleasantly surprised if they were a little more daring.


If they go mikal I want a risky player with the 2nd rounder, take a chance...

I know all 2nd rounders are nothing guaranteed but I am talking no draft stash, no 4 year college player who we know his ceiling...
RE: RE: I think Mikal will be the pick if he's there.  
bceagle05 : 5/23/2018 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13972953 nygiants16 said:
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If they go mikal I want a risky player with the 2nd rounder, take a chance...

I know all 2nd rounders are nothing guaranteed but I am talking no draft stash, no 4 year college player who we know his ceiling...


Funny, I was gonna add that if they play it safe with Mikal at #9, I'd like to shoot for the moon with Diallo at #36, if he's there. I agree completely - one safe pick and one gamble. I don't really care which order.
RE: RE: RE: I think Mikal will be the pick if he's there.  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13973002 bceagle05 said:
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If they go mikal I want a risky player with the 2nd rounder, take a chance...

I know all 2nd rounders are nothing guaranteed but I am talking no draft stash, no 4 year college player who we know his ceiling...



Funny, I was gonna add that if they play it safe with Mikal at #9, I'd like to shoot for the moon with Diallo at #36, if he's there. I agree completely - one safe pick and one gamble. I don't really care which order.


Hahaha si weird diallo was the guy I was thinking
RE: RE: Mikal  
Anakim : 5/23/2018 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13972945 TyreeHelmet said:
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Is the preferable Bridges, but since the Knicks are gonna be young and could be without KP for a while, I hope they choose a high ceiling Freshman.



Porter would be the dream pick for me but I just can't see him lasting to 9. Sexton definitely has high upside but I just prefer Mikal as an nba prospect.


Agreed. I think Porter Jr. falling to #9 is the ideal scenario
I don’t get the rhetoric that freshman  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 2:16 pm : link
Have tons more NBA upside than upperclasmen later in drafts. From this draft class alone you had Kuzma, Hart, mason, bell, brooks. Year before you had Brogdon and Lavert. 2015 you had Nance, Richardson, and Harrell as the big sleepers. I’m not seeing this correlation with freshmen and ceilings; the freshmen that are well regarded are taken high in the draft. The freshmen that go later usually should be staying in college or fear they won’t get drafted later on if they do.
RE: I don’t get the rhetoric that freshman  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13973051 giantsfan44ab said:
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Have tons more NBA upside than upperclasmen later in drafts. From this draft class alone you had Kuzma, Hart, mason, bell, brooks. Year before you had Brogdon and Lavert. 2015 you had Nance, Richardson, and Harrell as the big sleepers. I’m not seeing this correlation with freshmen and ceilings; the freshmen that are well regarded are taken high in the draft. The freshmen that go later usually should be staying in college or fear they won’t get drafted later on if they do.


Are any of those guys superstars? Or have a chance to be stars besides maybe luzma?

You draft a freshman because you hope you have not seen their best ball, with seniors you most likely have
Diallo is the Will Hernandez  
Phil in LA : 5/23/2018 2:20 pm : link
of Knicks possible second rounders.
RE: Diallo is the Will Hernandez  
Anakim : 5/23/2018 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13973061 Phil in LA said:
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of Knicks possible second rounders.


I always got the sense that Hami Diallo has always had the potential to be a lot better than he played at Kentucky. He's an INSANE athlete, but he never seemed to play up to it.
Kentucky players are always hard to evaluate  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 2:36 pm : link
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RE: Kentucky players are always hard to evaluate  
giantsfan44ab : 5/23/2018 2:50 pm : link
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I think Kentucky BIG men are hard to evaluate because Cal doesn't stretch his bigs out. Which is why there were hidden elements to Skal and KAT. I don't see the same issue with guards/wings from UK.

And back to the freshmen debate. Where are the freshmen superstars that are falling back into the draft? The theory that freshmen have higher upside is just that, a theory. And I'm talking about late 1st/2nd round, not the freshmen that are clogging the top 10-15 of draft boards every year.
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nygiants16 : 5/23/2018 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13973104 giantsfan44ab said:
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I think Kentucky BIG men are hard to evaluate because Cal doesn't stretch his bigs out. Which is why there were hidden elements to Skal and KAT. I don't see the same issue with guards/wings from UK.

And back to the freshmen debate. Where are the freshmen superstars that are falling back into the draft? The theory that freshmen have higher upside is just that, a theory. And I'm talking about late 1st/2nd round, not the freshmen that are clogging the top 10-15 of draft boards every year.


Did I say you would definitely find a superstar? No what I said was if you are going to go with the safe pick in mikal, go with a riskier type player that might fall and see if you get lucky...

And yes taking freshman is absolutely a bigger risk..

Mikal at worst case is a 3 and d guy, there is no risk there in my eyes...

Look at Booker for example, did anyone know he had playmaking ability? No everyone thought he was a spot up shooter because that is all you saw...

Jaren jackson jr is considered a top pick because of his upside, nothing he did in college it is all upside...

Harry Giles was taken in the 1st round because of his upside
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