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BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/23/2018 10:30 am
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I'd only let him back if he is going to wear his lizard suit everyday  
PatersonPlank : 5/23/2018 12:32 pm : link
He's a self serving prick who through his ex-teammates under the bus in an effort to further his crappy broadcasting career. His banishment, and my dislike for him, has nothing to do with his play on the field.
Tiki  
Marty866b : 5/23/2018 12:33 pm : link
I only care about what he did on the field.He was one of the greatest Giants to put on a uniform.
My feelings on Tiki remain the same  
mfsd : 5/23/2018 12:42 pm : link
great football player, often a piece of shit person. But happy to see Schurmur do this
RE: ...  
GoBlue6599 : 5/23/2018 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13972456 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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TC saved his career. He should throw rose pedals at Coughlin's feet.

A arguement can be made that Tiki saved Coughlins job Giants were a pathetic 1-6 after a 6-2 start.. Tiki was basiclly the only player to show up and play hard for Coughlin in the last game of the season.... Manning was horrrible he passed for like a 100 yards and the defense was ripped apart by Jason freaking Campbell
RE: RE: anyone who leaves their pregnant wife for someone else  
GoBlue6599 : 5/23/2018 12:51 pm : link
In comment 13972619 Don in DC said:
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In comment 13972574 gtt350 said:


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should not be held in high esteem



This. Tiki didn't get rejected just because of that one comment about Eli. He got widely rejected by the fans because he turned out to be a huge douche on a variety of levels.

He announced his retirement mid-season, at the peak of his skills when his team was ready to make a run, just so he could spark an auction for his services as a post-football media personality.

At age 35, he abandoned his wife when she was 8 months pregnant with twins, in order to run off with a 21 year old blonde.

He badmouthed Coughlin, Eli, and the organization generally.

And then he had the balls to try to make a comeback four years after the prematurely retired.

So he clearly put himself on display as a transparent, self-serving jerk with no class. So year, he was the best RB in a Giants uniform in my lifetime -- by a long shot. That doesn't mean I have to like the tool.

You have to love the world we live in today I hate a guy for what was reported in his personal life... Yeah judge Tiki off of second hand information like you have a clue about the circumstances
he was a fumblin scatback before TC straghtened him out  
Dave : 5/23/2018 1:07 pm : link
and always a pompous jerk, imo
He became a great back. He had the talent and drive, and the  
Victor in CT : 5/23/2018 1:37 pm : link
willingness to learn. The fumbling was more than a nuisance, it was going to threaten career. TC and Ingram knew what they had if they could clean it up, and to Tiki's credit he took it the right way. He was a GREAT back in every way. Runnuer, receiver, blocker, a true 3rd down triple threat. Anybody who says otherwise is a fool.

That said, he was a major asshole who ruined himself post-football with his pomposity. He could have been a modern day Frank Gifford post football if he wasn't such a dick. But he's been punished enough by his own doing, and that Strahan of all people became everything that Tiki thought would be him.
that should say 3 down, not 3rd down.  
Victor in CT : 5/23/2018 1:40 pm : link
sorry
If Tiki's presence is a reminder of what happens when great talent...  
the mike : 5/23/2018 1:42 pm : link
abandons the team for personal self interest... AND he has apologized to Eli and the Giants team for his stupid comments, then I am all for forgiveness and believe it is another sensible move by Gettleman/Shurmur. Tiki has no doubt more than paid the price in terms of both personal humiliation and professional missed opportunities in not being part of the Giants super bowl XLII championship.

As a player, he was as fine a running back that has ever donned the blue and white (prior to 2018 of course) and might have been a hall of fame contender had he not done stupid things. If his presence is helping the potential hall of famers in the Giants' 2018 locker room see that, then I say - Welcome Back Tiki! AND Here's To Team Before Talent!
I’m over it  
TommytheElephant : 5/23/2018 1:44 pm : link
Tiki is the best Giants running back I have ever seen.

Yes I Hope Saquon will be better, but pound for pound with a body of history to compare - Tiki is the best.
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djstat : 5/23/2018 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13972465 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 13972456 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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TC saved his career. He should throw rose pedals at Coughlin's feet.



Tiki's career wasn't saved by TC. It was certainly improved by TC and how he coached the fumbles out. Tiki was our best offensive weapon before TC arrived, that's for sure.
F Tiki. He is a POS.
RE: RE: RE: anyone who leaves their pregnant wife for someone else  
Don in DC : 5/23/2018 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13972868 GoBlue6599 said:
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In comment 13972619 Don in DC said:


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In comment 13972574 gtt350 said:


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should not be held in high esteem



This. Tiki didn't get rejected just because of that one comment about Eli. He got widely rejected by the fans because he turned out to be a huge douche on a variety of levels.

He announced his retirement mid-season, at the peak of his skills when his team was ready to make a run, just so he could spark an auction for his services as a post-football media personality.

At age 35, he abandoned his wife when she was 8 months pregnant with twins, in order to run off with a 21 year old blonde.

He badmouthed Coughlin, Eli, and the organization generally.

And then he had the balls to try to make a comeback four years after the prematurely retired.

So he clearly put himself on display as a transparent, self-serving jerk with no class. So year, he was the best RB in a Giants uniform in my lifetime -- by a long shot. That doesn't mean I have to like the tool.


You have to love the world we live in today I hate a guy for what was reported in his personal life... Yeah judge Tiki off of second hand information like you have a clue about the circumstances


The key facts are not subject to doubt or dispute.

It is clear and undisputed that he left his wife of 10 years when she was 8 months pregnant with twins to run off with a 21 year old blonde. This is not some sort of he-said-she-said situation subject to doubt or nuance.

It is also clear and undisputed that he announced his imminent retirement in the middle of the 2006 season, in the midst of a playoff season, in order to jumpstart his media career.

And it is clear and undisputed that he tried to build that career by bad mouthing his former team and teammates.

So, you can pretend that there is some sort of doubt about the circumstances that revealed him as a massive douche, but please don't expect me to do the same. He was a great RB -- as I said, the best to wear a Giants uniform in my lifetime -- but his behavior clearly showed him to be a first class jerk.
Always laugh at these Tiki threads  
Stu11 : 5/23/2018 2:41 pm : link
I just turned 50. I've learned in life that carrying a grudge over stupid crap that took place a decade ago is idiotic and serves no purpose. Sure I don't love some of the things he said after he retired. Frankly I don't get involved with judgement of what happens between couples, and why people cheat and break-up. That's their business. Bottom line is that damn guy gave me a crap ton of fun and excitement watching Giants games for a decade. I was at the KC game, what a performance. Guy was a monster during the 2000 run long before Coughlin got here. The fumbling thing weirdly popped up in like 2002. Yes Coughlin and Ingrahm really solved the problem and he reached another level under them no doubt. It was a symbiotic relationship though as he saved Coughlin's ass week 17 in 2006. The main thing I'm concerned about is what he did on the field. What happens during the week/off season/post career doesn't concern me so much as long as they don't break laws or do awful things. I think people would feel a lot different about him if we won the SB in 2000 or if he was on the 2007 team.
a star athlete trading in his wife for a younger woman?  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2018 2:52 pm : link
Holy shit! That's really out there! Very rare.

I learned a long time ago not to presume to know what goes on inside a marriage. Maybe his wife was a total bitch who was making his life miserable. I don't know either way, and neither does anyone posting here.
RE: God, that chiefs game  
Bramton1 : 5/23/2018 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13972544 Neckbone1333 said:
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was magical


He had a helluva game, but I'll always remember an Amani Toomer TD where it looks like his knee was down earlier in the play but replay showed it was 5 millimeters off the ground.
It was a dick move, what he said on NBC  
Bramton1 : 5/23/2018 3:12 pm : link
But it ended becoming part of the story of the 2007 season. Not saying we don't win the Super Bowl without it, but Eli's response was a sign that he was growing up and had a little New York in him.
RE: a star athlete trading in his wife for a younger woman?  
Don in DC : 5/23/2018 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13973107 Greg from LI said:
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Holy shit! That's really out there! Very rare.

I learned a long time ago not to presume to know what goes on inside a marriage. Maybe his wife was a total bitch who was making his life miserable. I don't know either way, and neither does anyone posting here.


Yes, I guess there could be a totally innocent and reasonable explanation as to why he left his wife, who was 8 months pregnant with twins, to take up publicly with a 21 year old blonde piece of eyecandy. I should have considered that.

Either that, or it's an obvious douche move by a notoriously and obviously selfish jerk.

Either or.

RE: Essex  
jamison884 : 5/23/2018 3:41 pm : link
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He was without question the best Giants RB I had ever seen and if Barkley could be as good as Tiki I would feel we hit a HR with our pick (as long as the QBs turn out to be misses).


This is the second time I've had to make this argument with a NYG fan, but this isn't a fair assessment.

You simply can't argue Barkley is a good draft choice if he turns out to be a great RB *AND* the QB's flop. That statement assumes the NYG had perfect hindsight, which is impossible.

1. They didn't have the option of taking Baker Mayfield, as he was selected. If Mayfield develops into a franchise QB, this has no impact on the NYG.

2. The NYG passes on Sam Darnold. If Sam Darnold develops into a franchise QB and then wins a SB, then yes, you have a legitimate argument against the NYG's pick.

3. If Josh Allen or John Rosen develop into great QB's and win SB's, they're pretty much already into the category of the generic QB gamble.

It was recently posted Eli is the only top 10 QB in the past decade to win a SB. SB winning QB's and franchise QB's have been selected throughout the draft, including mid to late 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounds etc. Since the NYG could have only selected one of the potential Josh's and both of them were selected numerous spots after the NYG's round 1 selection (meaning other teams also passed, so they weren't sure-fire bets), it all gets muddled into the QB draft lottery, where people are going with their best guess and hoping it works out. How many amazing talents were determined to be the next great, drafted high in the first round, and outright busted? The NYG simply felt going with Barkley was a safer bet as the best player available while also in a need position.

You're just going to torture yourself if you evaluate this draft by using perfect hindsight while evaluating the 3-5 top QB prospects versus our selection.

Perhaps it's simpler to express my feelings this way. If one of Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, or Josh Rosen becomes a HOF QB, is it really fair to say the NYG failed because they didn't select that 1 QB when realistically no one had a clue which of the three would be great? Just too many unknowns to place blame.
Y'know, I'm kinda old, so I have a slightly different take on this.  
81_Great_Dane : 5/23/2018 3:51 pm : link
Tiki was on top of the world after he retired. He got that TV gig, looked like a rising media star, was feeling it. Then things went south on him.

I've lived long enough to feel on top of the world and then have life kick me in the teeth. Live long enough and you will get kicked in the teeth, too. Life will humble you. Sometimes you faceplant. I have. Sometimes you're doing fine and the people you care about get sick or die and there's not a goddam thing you can do about it. That's happened to me, too.

Life kicked Tiki in the teeth. A lot of that was his fault, but some was just bad luck. Lots of media guys have survived worse scandals than Tiki leaving his wife for a young woman, or him mouthing off about an ex-teammate. Today Michael Strahan has the media career Tiki thought he was getting, and Strahan is not the greatest guy in the world, either. Strahan did things right and got a little lucky, Tiki did some things wrong and got a little unlucky.

So I'm not going to kick the guy. I loved watching him play. My life was a little better because Tiki Barber played football for the team I follow. He didn't do anything since to make my life worse. (His life may be worse, but not mine.) He's got his own stuff to deal with now, and I'm not part of it. He can go with God, and with my thanks for his play for the Giants, and the rest is none of my business.

Again, do you know his wife?  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2018 3:52 pm : link
No? So who exactly are you to comment on his marriage?
RE: Giants fans have acted like jilted teenaged girls about this for over  
JOrthman : 5/23/2018 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13972543 Greg from LI said:
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a decade


It's not just Giants fans, I've had fans of other teams make similar comments about Tiki. My Pat's friend who hates all Mannings can't say anything good about Tiki after those comments came out.
I don't have to know his wife  
Don in DC : 5/23/2018 4:30 pm : link
to know that leaving his 8-months-pregnant-with-twins wife for a 21 year old chippy is a douchebag maneuver.
Well, it could be worse...  
bw in dc : 5/23/2018 4:38 pm : link
Tiki could have LT's off the field life.

Oh, wait. Never mind. LT is hugely revered around here.
RE: Fans  
Sonic Youth : 5/23/2018 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13972545 QB Snacks said:
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can be so unforgiving. What Tiki said about Eli was true at the time. Who cares? Let it go. People make mistakes and maybe say some things they shouldnt have said.

Tiki was the only reason to watch Giant football for a few years. Let it go.
100% true
RE: Well, it could be worse...  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/23/2018 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13973249 bw in dc said:
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Tiki could have LT's off the field life.

Oh, wait. Never mind. LT is hugely revered around here.


There's tons of hypocrisy on here.
LT is of course the #1 counterexample  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2018 4:47 pm : link
But there are plenty of others. Everyone loves Keith Hamilton, who was arrested for beating his son. David Diehl plowed into parked cars and is lucky he didn't kill anyone while driving drunk. Michael Boley pled guilty to child abuse. Kareem McKenzie drove drunk. But Tiki Barber is the guy who is persona non grata because of mild criticism of Eli Manning - who, at the time, hadn't done a damned thing in his career.
Is there really?  
Don in DC : 5/23/2018 4:49 pm : link
Does anyone every talk about what a great guy LT was? What a quality citizen he was? Or do they say, accurately, that he was the best defensive player of all time?

Conversely, has anyone here said that Tiki wasn't a great RB? No. I think everyone agrees he was an all-time great Giant RB.

Both great players. Both less than stellar people off the field (though it would be pretty damn hard to argue that LT's character flaws aren't deeper and more serious than Tiki's).
RE: LT is of course the #1 counterexample  
Don in DC : 5/23/2018 4:50 pm : link
In comment 13973266 Greg from LI said:
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But there are plenty of others. Everyone loves Keith Hamilton, who was arrested for beating his son. David Diehl plowed into parked cars and is lucky he didn't kill anyone while driving drunk. Michael Boley pled guilty to child abuse. Kareem McKenzie drove drunk. But Tiki Barber is the guy who is persona non grata because of mild criticism of Eli Manning - who, at the time, hadn't done a damned thing in his career.


Dave Meggett has been, at least, excommunicated from Giantsdom.
Sorry Tiki...  
GFAN52 : 5/23/2018 5:16 pm : link
RE: Is there really?  
bw in dc : 5/23/2018 5:43 pm : link
In comment 13973268 Don in DC said:
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Does anyone every talk about what a great guy LT was? What a quality citizen he was? Or do they say, accurately, that he was the best defensive player of all time?



No. But LT, with a list of transgressions that would fill up a Grisham novel, is not as ostracized with Giants fans as Barber.

I don't think it's close. Start an LT thread around here and see what you eventually get - what a football God he was.

Start a Barber thread? It will ultimately veer into his criticisms and his first marriage. Like a lot of the above...
as it should be  
UESBLUE : 5/23/2018 6:21 pm : link
holding grudges is a bitter way to go thru life
Older fans would know, but LT didn't undermine teammates.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/23/2018 6:25 pm : link
Tiki did, only to prop up his media credentials. Isn't that the difference?
Tiki  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 5/23/2018 7:36 pm : link
The issue was not that he was just critical in his new role, but that he flat out destroyed Manning. Tiki hurt his own credibility when he violated the sanctity of the locker room and even seemed to make it feel like a personal attack.

Sad thing is, he did this to further his own career, all the while the Giants go on to win two Superbowls without him.

I dont think I have ever seen life kick anyone's ass like this. I suspect I'll get over it once he gives back a little....and this isnt the last thing I remember him for.


It wasn't just Manning.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/23/2018 7:41 pm : link
Didn't he put his nose in Strahan's contract negotiations?
Wasn't he one of the players who had no issue publicly questioning the gameplanning and coaching?

When people say he was posturing for his post-football career while he was playing, it feels like a very legit criticism.

A lot of the "anonymous locker room source" leak stuff was attributed to him too.
For me the sum total is  
ChaChing : 5/23/2018 7:42 pm : link
Tiki the teammate was likely not that bad if you asked his teammates and frankly if Eli or anyone was truly effected that's pretty unprofessional. Plus I doubt they'd be successful for long

OTOH, Tiki the player was a hard worker, overcame major obstacles be it fumbling or size & the perception he's not an every down back. He was as versatile & smart an RB with great vision, hands, even solid pass pro

For Shurmur & NYG, it pays to swallow any pride as there's good reason to think regardless of his likely low integrity in family and the media career errors he'd only be great resource even if just for quick passing advice to SB
Tiki F'd up....  
Simms11 : 5/23/2018 8:37 pm : link
He could of had a ring had he left a year later.
RE: RE: RE: RE: anyone who leaves their pregnant wife for someone else  
GoBlue6599 : 5/23/2018 9:17 pm : link
In comment 13973007 Don in DC said:
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In comment 13972868 GoBlue6599 said:


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In comment 13972619 Don in DC said:


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should not be held in high esteem



This. Tiki didn't get rejected just because of that one comment about Eli. He got widely rejected by the fans because he turned out to be a huge douche on a variety of levels.

He announced his retirement mid-season, at the peak of his skills when his team was ready to make a run, just so he could spark an auction for his services as a post-football media personality.

At age 35, he abandoned his wife when she was 8 months pregnant with twins, in order to run off with a 21 year old blonde.

He badmouthed Coughlin, Eli, and the organization generally.

And then he had the balls to try to make a comeback four years after the prematurely retired.

So he clearly put himself on display as a transparent, self-serving jerk with no class. So year, he was the best RB in a Giants uniform in my lifetime -- by a long shot. That doesn't mean I have to like the tool.


You have to love the world we live in today I hate a guy for what was reported in his personal life... Yeah judge Tiki off of second hand information like you have a clue about the circumstances



The key facts are not subject to doubt or dispute.

It is clear and undisputed that he left his wife of 10 years when she was 8 months pregnant with twins to run off with a 21 year old blonde. This is not some sort of he-said-she-said situation subject to doubt or nuance.

It is also clear and undisputed that he announced his imminent retirement in the middle of the 2006 season, in the midst of a playoff season, in order to jumpstart his media career.

And it is clear and undisputed that he tried to build that career by bad mouthing his former team and teammates.

So, you can pretend that there is some sort of doubt about the circumstances that revealed him as a massive douche, but please don't expect me to do the same. He was a great RB -- as I said, the best to wear a Giants uniform in my lifetime -- but his behavior clearly showed him to be a first class jerk.

How about you mind your buisness and stop judging a strangers personal life
RE: Tiki F'd up....  
bw in dc : 5/23/2018 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13973487 Simms11 said:
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He could of had a ring had he left a year later.


That's such a silly argument. No one on the planet saw the 2008 SB run coming.
RE: It wasn't just Manning.  
bw in dc : 5/23/2018 9:47 pm : link
In comment 13973417 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Didn't he put his nose in Strahan's contract negotiations?
Wasn't he one of the players who had no issue publicly questioning the gameplanning and coaching?

When people say he was posturing for his post-football career while he was playing, it feels like a very legit criticism.

A lot of the "anonymous locker room source" leak stuff was attributed to him too.


Strahan was no angel either. See his messy relationship with Coughlin and how he was close to creating a mutiny.
If tiki is such an evil guy as the haters make  
Les in TO : 5/23/2018 10:04 pm : link
Him out to be, why did Shurmur call him two weeks after being hired?
RE: If tiki is such an evil guy as the haters make  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/23/2018 11:07 pm : link
In comment 13973646 Les in TO said:
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Him out to be, why did Shurmur call him two weeks after being hired?


Who knows? It's not like Pat Shurmur has any connection to the history of this team or was here to experience Tiki's final years. This story is a pretty random thing.
I loved watching Tiki play!  
Fishmanjim57 : 5/23/2018 11:26 pm : link
What he said and did doesn't take away from my memories of watching him break through defensive players for first downs and touchdowns.
That past is the past, I will be happy to see him back in good graces with this team.
He committed  
joeinpa : 5/24/2018 7:19 am : link
An unforgivable sin, he criticized Eli.

Yikes, it pissed me off at the time too at the time, but come on, it s been a decade!

He was a great Giant, an egomaniac, certainly, but, let it go.
Being welcomed back by the franchise is fine  
David B. : 5/24/2018 10:05 am : link
Both Wellie and John Mara have always said: "once a Giant, always a Giant," and to LIVE that includes Barber. I have no issue with it. I wouldn't -- in their shoes -- necessarily give him a job -- and certainly not a on-camera job. But to be welcomed back to the family, the facility etc., sure.

But Tiki is not a likable guy, he committed the ultimate sin at the wrong moment in time, and the fans may well not ever be as accepting.
The Strahan...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/24/2018 10:20 am : link
Tiki parallel is a great one.

Both made questionable personal decisions and had run in's with coaches in NY.

One left the team hanging, which is a bad look for fans, then promptly started badmouthing former teammates and coaches.

The other rode off into the sunset with a Super Bowl ring, gets several gigs in broadcasting, and acts like a homer and smiles.

One guy gets what being a media celebrity is about. The other guy doesn't.

Character-wise, they probably aren't very different. In public perception - they are very different.
Might as well welcome back Shockey  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/24/2018 2:17 pm : link
TC transformed Tiki butterfinger poor man's Meggett into a HOF level back and he's thanked by getting thrown under the bus.
Dupesayswhat now?  
Greg from LI : 5/24/2018 2:20 pm : link
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whatever the QB's in the draft do  
msh : 5/24/2018 2:43 pm : link
or dont do has no bearing on the giants pick as far as im concerned they have eli,they have webb who looks the part in practice at least and another promising guy in lauletta they didnt need a QB with that number 2 pick

they did need a way to improve the offence and to break the deep safety coverage that teams used to strangle the pass to OBJ and engram and shepard the best way to do that was to force teams to alter their defence to account for barkley either running or passing out of the backfield pick your poison instant threat at WR or death by a thousand cuts from barkley,who may also break a few for long TD's as well

shurmur will actually use engram the way he is meant to as a move TE and use ellison as the inline TE,i was confidant that shurmur would want to take barkley because they needed to give eli back the playaction pass that was so important to the offence earlier in his career,and that would make him effective again in his final years

shurmur also relies heavily on screens and passes to the RB as he did with both philly and the vikings so i knew he would want barkley most. the question for me was gettleman as i thought he was more likely to take bradley chubb as his focus has always been the big guys in the trenches over the skill position guys.

he did take mccaffery while at carolina so i did hope he would let shurmur convince him to take barkley over chubb but after the draft it was clear that HE wanted barkley more than anyone in the front office too

the giants have been best when they had a top flight RB see joe morris,rodney hampton,dave meggett,tiki barber ,bradshaw,jacobs and barring injury charles way might have joined that list. the giants have always been about tough defence and running the ball they got away from that for too long thats why the defence was wearing down late in games and the offence didnt scare people despite the best WR in the game

they also got away from the TE position as well for far too many years throwing late round picks at a position of obviously much higher need but shurmur and gettleman know the value a very good TE brings to the giants
and they will make better use of the guys they have now as well,engram was one of reese's best picks just mac didnt use him properly last year,and ellison at all

i would be more interested on how chubb shakes out as i think the giants would have taken him had cleveland taken barkley at 1.

had i been cleveland i would have made a deal with the giants to get both the QB and barkley with the first 2 picks but then they took mayfield who i wanted no part of and whiffed in the second round taking a poor OT over hernandez who i cant believe lasted for the giants to take him either

i didnt like any of the QB's in that draft they were all over hyped.

mayfield is too short too much of a distraction and an off-field accident waiting to happen,they talked about a culture change than added another volatile guy to the mix

josh rosen just showed why he was not the guy the second he opened his mouth to bitch about his huge slide in the draft,waiting for his injury history to reappear as well

josh allen just wasnt accurate enough and has way too many incompletitions for that high of a pick could still be the second best of the QB's in that draft thou

lamar jackson is far too raw to be a first round pick he might end up like tyrell prior converting to Rb OR WR in the nfl

darnold may have been the best of that bunch but he was very interception prone in college and he may be even worse against much better nfl corners so we will so how that one shakes out with the jets
Msh  
joeinpa : 5/24/2018 4:03 pm : link
Spin it however you want. But if Darnold stars and Webb/Lauletta bust, it when considered a bad move by most if Giants are in quarterback hell.

This will especially be the case if Eli s career with the Giants comes to an end without another Super Bowl win.
Maybe Tiki can fix Barkley's fumbling problems.  
Ivan15 : 5/25/2018 1:16 pm : link
Oh wait! That's Darnold.
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