He's a self serving prick who through his ex-teammates under the bus in an effort to further his crappy broadcasting career. His banishment, and my dislike for him, has nothing to do with his play on the field.
TC saved his career. He should throw rose pedals at Coughlin's feet.
A arguement can be made that Tiki saved Coughlins job Giants were a pathetic 1-6 after a 6-2 start.. Tiki was basiclly the only player to show up and play hard for Coughlin in the last game of the season.... Manning was horrrible he passed for like a 100 yards and the defense was ripped apart by Jason freaking Campbell
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This. Tiki didn't get rejected just because of that one comment about Eli. He got widely rejected by the fans because he turned out to be a huge douche on a variety of levels.
He announced his retirement mid-season, at the peak of his skills when his team was ready to make a run, just so he could spark an auction for his services as a post-football media personality.
At age 35, he abandoned his wife when she was 8 months pregnant with twins, in order to run off with a 21 year old blonde.
He badmouthed Coughlin, Eli, and the organization generally.
And then he had the balls to try to make a comeback four years after the prematurely retired.
So he clearly put himself on display as a transparent, self-serving jerk with no class. So year, he was the best RB in a Giants uniform in my lifetime -- by a long shot. That doesn't mean I have to like the tool.
You have to love the world we live in today I hate a guy for what was reported in his personal life... Yeah judge Tiki off of second hand information like you have a clue about the circumstances
he was a fumblin scatback before TC straghtened him out Â
willingness to learn. The fumbling was more than a nuisance, it was going to threaten career. TC and Ingram knew what they had if they could clean it up, and to Tiki's credit he took it the right way. He was a GREAT back in every way. Runnuer, receiver, blocker, a true 3rd down triple threat. Anybody who says otherwise is a fool.
That said, he was a major asshole who ruined himself post-football with his pomposity. He could have been a modern day Frank Gifford post football if he wasn't such a dick. But he's been punished enough by his own doing, and that Strahan of all people became everything that Tiki thought would be him.
abandons the team for personal self interest... AND he has apologized to Eli and the Giants team for his stupid comments, then I am all for forgiveness and believe it is another sensible move by Gettleman/Shurmur. Tiki has no doubt more than paid the price in terms of both personal humiliation and professional missed opportunities in not being part of the Giants super bowl XLII championship.
As a player, he was as fine a running back that has ever donned the blue and white (prior to 2018 of course) and might have been a hall of fame contender had he not done stupid things. If his presence is helping the potential hall of famers in the Giants' 2018 locker room see that, then I say - Welcome Back Tiki! AND Here's To Team Before Talent!
TC saved his career. He should throw rose pedals at Coughlin's feet.
Tiki's career wasn't saved by TC. It was certainly improved by TC and how he coached the fumbles out. Tiki was our best offensive weapon before TC arrived, that's for sure.
F Tiki. He is a POS.
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This. Tiki didn't get rejected just because of that one comment about Eli. He got widely rejected by the fans because he turned out to be a huge douche on a variety of levels.
He announced his retirement mid-season, at the peak of his skills when his team was ready to make a run, just so he could spark an auction for his services as a post-football media personality.
At age 35, he abandoned his wife when she was 8 months pregnant with twins, in order to run off with a 21 year old blonde.
He badmouthed Coughlin, Eli, and the organization generally.
And then he had the balls to try to make a comeback four years after the prematurely retired.
So he clearly put himself on display as a transparent, self-serving jerk with no class. So year, he was the best RB in a Giants uniform in my lifetime -- by a long shot. That doesn't mean I have to like the tool.
You have to love the world we live in today I hate a guy for what was reported in his personal life... Yeah judge Tiki off of second hand information like you have a clue about the circumstances
The key facts are not subject to doubt or dispute.
It is clear and undisputed that he left his wife of 10 years when she was 8 months pregnant with twins to run off with a 21 year old blonde. This is not some sort of he-said-she-said situation subject to doubt or nuance.
It is also clear and undisputed that he announced his imminent retirement in the middle of the 2006 season, in the midst of a playoff season, in order to jumpstart his media career.
And it is clear and undisputed that he tried to build that career by bad mouthing his former team and teammates.
So, you can pretend that there is some sort of doubt about the circumstances that revealed him as a massive douche, but please don't expect me to do the same. He was a great RB -- as I said, the best to wear a Giants uniform in my lifetime -- but his behavior clearly showed him to be a first class jerk.
I just turned 50. I've learned in life that carrying a grudge over stupid crap that took place a decade ago is idiotic and serves no purpose. Sure I don't love some of the things he said after he retired. Frankly I don't get involved with judgement of what happens between couples, and why people cheat and break-up. That's their business. Bottom line is that damn guy gave me a crap ton of fun and excitement watching Giants games for a decade. I was at the KC game, what a performance. Guy was a monster during the 2000 run long before Coughlin got here. The fumbling thing weirdly popped up in like 2002. Yes Coughlin and Ingrahm really solved the problem and he reached another level under them no doubt. It was a symbiotic relationship though as he saved Coughlin's ass week 17 in 2006. The main thing I'm concerned about is what he did on the field. What happens during the week/off season/post career doesn't concern me so much as long as they don't break laws or do awful things. I think people would feel a lot different about him if we won the SB in 2000 or if he was on the 2007 team.
a star athlete trading in his wife for a younger woman? Â
I learned a long time ago not to presume to know what goes on inside a marriage. Maybe his wife was a total bitch who was making his life miserable. I don't know either way, and neither does anyone posting here.
He had a helluva game, but I'll always remember an Amani Toomer TD where it looks like his knee was down earlier in the play but replay showed it was 5 millimeters off the ground.
But it ended becoming part of the story of the 2007 season. Not saying we don't win the Super Bowl without it, but Eli's response was a sign that he was growing up and had a little New York in him.
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I learned a long time ago not to presume to know what goes on inside a marriage. Maybe his wife was a total bitch who was making his life miserable. I don't know either way, and neither does anyone posting here.
Yes, I guess there could be a totally innocent and reasonable explanation as to why he left his wife, who was 8 months pregnant with twins, to take up publicly with a 21 year old blonde piece of eyecandy. I should have considered that.
Either that, or it's an obvious douche move by a notoriously and obviously selfish jerk.
He was without question the best Giants RB I had ever seen and if Barkley could be as good as Tiki I would feel we hit a HR with our pick (as long as the QBs turn out to be misses).
This is the second time I've had to make this argument with a NYG fan, but this isn't a fair assessment.
You simply can't argue Barkley is a good draft choice if he turns out to be a great RB *AND* the QB's flop. That statement assumes the NYG had perfect hindsight, which is impossible.
1. They didn't have the option of taking Baker Mayfield, as he was selected. If Mayfield develops into a franchise QB, this has no impact on the NYG.
2. The NYG passes on Sam Darnold. If Sam Darnold develops into a franchise QB and then wins a SB, then yes, you have a legitimate argument against the NYG's pick.
3. If Josh Allen or John Rosen develop into great QB's and win SB's, they're pretty much already into the category of the generic QB gamble.
It was recently posted Eli is the only top 10 QB in the past decade to win a SB. SB winning QB's and franchise QB's have been selected throughout the draft, including mid to late 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounds etc. Since the NYG could have only selected one of the potential Josh's and both of them were selected numerous spots after the NYG's round 1 selection (meaning other teams also passed, so they weren't sure-fire bets), it all gets muddled into the QB draft lottery, where people are going with their best guess and hoping it works out. How many amazing talents were determined to be the next great, drafted high in the first round, and outright busted? The NYG simply felt going with Barkley was a safer bet as the best player available while also in a need position.
You're just going to torture yourself if you evaluate this draft by using perfect hindsight while evaluating the 3-5 top QB prospects versus our selection.
Perhaps it's simpler to express my feelings this way. If one of Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, or Josh Rosen becomes a HOF QB, is it really fair to say the NYG failed because they didn't select that 1 QB when realistically no one had a clue which of the three would be great? Just too many unknowns to place blame.
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Tiki was on top of the world after he retired. He got that TV gig, looked like a rising media star, was feeling it. Then things went south on him.
I've lived long enough to feel on top of the world and then have life kick me in the teeth. Live long enough and you will get kicked in the teeth, too. Life will humble you. Sometimes you faceplant. I have. Sometimes you're doing fine and the people you care about get sick or die and there's not a goddam thing you can do about it. That's happened to me, too.
Life kicked Tiki in the teeth. A lot of that was his fault, but some was just bad luck. Lots of media guys have survived worse scandals than Tiki leaving his wife for a young woman, or him mouthing off about an ex-teammate. Today Michael Strahan has the media career Tiki thought he was getting, and Strahan is not the greatest guy in the world, either. Strahan did things right and got a little lucky, Tiki did some things wrong and got a little unlucky.
So I'm not going to kick the guy. I loved watching him play. My life was a little better because Tiki Barber played football for the team I follow. He didn't do anything since to make my life worse. (His life may be worse, but not mine.) He's got his own stuff to deal with now, and I'm not part of it. He can go with God, and with my thanks for his play for the Giants, and the rest is none of my business.
It's not just Giants fans, I've had fans of other teams make similar comments about Tiki. My Pat's friend who hates all Mannings can't say anything good about Tiki after those comments came out.
can be so unforgiving. What Tiki said about Eli was true at the time. Who cares? Let it go. People make mistakes and maybe say some things they shouldnt have said.
Tiki was the only reason to watch Giant football for a few years. Let it go.
But there are plenty of others. Everyone loves Keith Hamilton, who was arrested for beating his son. David Diehl plowed into parked cars and is lucky he didn't kill anyone while driving drunk. Michael Boley pled guilty to child abuse. Kareem McKenzie drove drunk. But Tiki Barber is the guy who is persona non grata because of mild criticism of Eli Manning - who, at the time, hadn't done a damned thing in his career.
Does anyone every talk about what a great guy LT was? What a quality citizen he was? Or do they say, accurately, that he was the best defensive player of all time?
Conversely, has anyone here said that Tiki wasn't a great RB? No. I think everyone agrees he was an all-time great Giant RB.
Both great players. Both less than stellar people off the field (though it would be pretty damn hard to argue that LT's character flaws aren't deeper and more serious than Tiki's).
But there are plenty of others. Everyone loves Keith Hamilton, who was arrested for beating his son. David Diehl plowed into parked cars and is lucky he didn't kill anyone while driving drunk. Michael Boley pled guilty to child abuse. Kareem McKenzie drove drunk. But Tiki Barber is the guy who is persona non grata because of mild criticism of Eli Manning - who, at the time, hadn't done a damned thing in his career.
Dave Meggett has been, at least, excommunicated from Giantsdom.
Does anyone every talk about what a great guy LT was? What a quality citizen he was? Or do they say, accurately, that he was the best defensive player of all time?
No. But LT, with a list of transgressions that would fill up a Grisham novel, is not as ostracized with Giants fans as Barber.
I don't think it's close. Start an LT thread around here and see what you eventually get - what a football God he was.
Start a Barber thread? It will ultimately veer into his criticisms and his first marriage. Like a lot of the above...
The issue was not that he was just critical in his new role, but that he flat out destroyed Manning. Tiki hurt his own credibility when he violated the sanctity of the locker room and even seemed to make it feel like a personal attack.
Sad thing is, he did this to further his own career, all the while the Giants go on to win two Superbowls without him.
I dont think I have ever seen life kick anyone's ass like this. I suspect I'll get over it once he gives back a little....and this isnt the last thing I remember him for.
Didn't he put his nose in Strahan's contract negotiations?
Wasn't he one of the players who had no issue publicly questioning the gameplanning and coaching?
When people say he was posturing for his post-football career while he was playing, it feels like a very legit criticism.
A lot of the "anonymous locker room source" leak stuff was attributed to him too.
Tiki the teammate was likely not that bad if you asked his teammates and frankly if Eli or anyone was truly effected that's pretty unprofessional. Plus I doubt they'd be successful for long
OTOH, Tiki the player was a hard worker, overcame major obstacles be it fumbling or size & the perception he's not an every down back. He was as versatile & smart an RB with great vision, hands, even solid pass pro
For Shurmur & NYG, it pays to swallow any pride as there's good reason to think regardless of his likely low integrity in family and the media career errors he'd only be great resource even if just for quick passing advice to SB
This. Tiki didn't get rejected just because of that one comment about Eli. He got widely rejected by the fans because he turned out to be a huge douche on a variety of levels.
He announced his retirement mid-season, at the peak of his skills when his team was ready to make a run, just so he could spark an auction for his services as a post-football media personality.
At age 35, he abandoned his wife when she was 8 months pregnant with twins, in order to run off with a 21 year old blonde.
He badmouthed Coughlin, Eli, and the organization generally.
And then he had the balls to try to make a comeback four years after the prematurely retired.
So he clearly put himself on display as a transparent, self-serving jerk with no class. So year, he was the best RB in a Giants uniform in my lifetime -- by a long shot. That doesn't mean I have to like the tool.
You have to love the world we live in today I hate a guy for what was reported in his personal life... Yeah judge Tiki off of second hand information like you have a clue about the circumstances
The key facts are not subject to doubt or dispute.
It is clear and undisputed that he left his wife of 10 years when she was 8 months pregnant with twins to run off with a 21 year old blonde. This is not some sort of he-said-she-said situation subject to doubt or nuance.
It is also clear and undisputed that he announced his imminent retirement in the middle of the 2006 season, in the midst of a playoff season, in order to jumpstart his media career.
And it is clear and undisputed that he tried to build that career by bad mouthing his former team and teammates.
So, you can pretend that there is some sort of doubt about the circumstances that revealed him as a massive douche, but please don't expect me to do the same. He was a great RB -- as I said, the best to wear a Giants uniform in my lifetime -- but his behavior clearly showed him to be a first class jerk.
How about you mind your buisness and stop judging a strangers personal life
Didn't he put his nose in Strahan's contract negotiations?
Wasn't he one of the players who had no issue publicly questioning the gameplanning and coaching?
When people say he was posturing for his post-football career while he was playing, it feels like a very legit criticism.
A lot of the "anonymous locker room source" leak stuff was attributed to him too.
Strahan was no angel either. See his messy relationship with Coughlin and how he was close to creating a mutiny.
Him out to be, why did Shurmur call him two weeks after being hired?
Who knows? It's not like Pat Shurmur has any connection to the history of this team or was here to experience Tiki's final years. This story is a pretty random thing.
What he said and did doesn't take away from my memories of watching him break through defensive players for first downs and touchdowns.
That past is the past, I will be happy to see him back in good graces with this team.
Both Wellie and John Mara have always said: "once a Giant, always a Giant," and to LIVE that includes Barber. I have no issue with it. I wouldn't -- in their shoes -- necessarily give him a job -- and certainly not a on-camera job. But to be welcomed back to the family, the facility etc., sure.
But Tiki is not a likable guy, he committed the ultimate sin at the wrong moment in time, and the fans may well not ever be as accepting.
or dont do has no bearing on the giants pick as far as im concerned they have eli,they have webb who looks the part in practice at least and another promising guy in lauletta they didnt need a QB with that number 2 pick
they did need a way to improve the offence and to break the deep safety coverage that teams used to strangle the pass to OBJ and engram and shepard the best way to do that was to force teams to alter their defence to account for barkley either running or passing out of the backfield pick your poison instant threat at WR or death by a thousand cuts from barkley,who may also break a few for long TD's as well
shurmur will actually use engram the way he is meant to as a move TE and use ellison as the inline TE,i was confidant that shurmur would want to take barkley because they needed to give eli back the playaction pass that was so important to the offence earlier in his career,and that would make him effective again in his final years
shurmur also relies heavily on screens and passes to the RB as he did with both philly and the vikings so i knew he would want barkley most. the question for me was gettleman as i thought he was more likely to take bradley chubb as his focus has always been the big guys in the trenches over the skill position guys.
he did take mccaffery while at carolina so i did hope he would let shurmur convince him to take barkley over chubb but after the draft it was clear that HE wanted barkley more than anyone in the front office too
the giants have been best when they had a top flight RB see joe morris,rodney hampton,dave meggett,tiki barber ,bradshaw,jacobs and barring injury charles way might have joined that list. the giants have always been about tough defence and running the ball they got away from that for too long thats why the defence was wearing down late in games and the offence didnt scare people despite the best WR in the game
they also got away from the TE position as well for far too many years throwing late round picks at a position of obviously much higher need but shurmur and gettleman know the value a very good TE brings to the giants
and they will make better use of the guys they have now as well,engram was one of reese's best picks just mac didnt use him properly last year,and ellison at all
i would be more interested on how chubb shakes out as i think the giants would have taken him had cleveland taken barkley at 1.
had i been cleveland i would have made a deal with the giants to get both the QB and barkley with the first 2 picks but then they took mayfield who i wanted no part of and whiffed in the second round taking a poor OT over hernandez who i cant believe lasted for the giants to take him either
i didnt like any of the QB's in that draft they were all over hyped.
mayfield is too short too much of a distraction and an off-field accident waiting to happen,they talked about a culture change than added another volatile guy to the mix
josh rosen just showed why he was not the guy the second he opened his mouth to bitch about his huge slide in the draft,waiting for his injury history to reappear as well
josh allen just wasnt accurate enough and has way too many incompletitions for that high of a pick could still be the second best of the QB's in that draft thou
lamar jackson is far too raw to be a first round pick he might end up like tyrell prior converting to Rb OR WR in the nfl
darnold may have been the best of that bunch but he was very interception prone in college and he may be even worse against much better nfl corners so we will so how that one shakes out with the jets
A arguement can be made that Tiki saved Coughlins job Giants were a pathetic 1-6 after a 6-2 start.. Tiki was basiclly the only player to show up and play hard for Coughlin in the last game of the season.... Manning was horrrible he passed for like a 100 yards and the defense was ripped apart by Jason freaking Campbell
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This. Tiki didn't get rejected just because of that one comment about Eli. He got widely rejected by the fans because he turned out to be a huge douche on a variety of levels.
He announced his retirement mid-season, at the peak of his skills when his team was ready to make a run, just so he could spark an auction for his services as a post-football media personality.
At age 35, he abandoned his wife when she was 8 months pregnant with twins, in order to run off with a 21 year old blonde.
He badmouthed Coughlin, Eli, and the organization generally.
And then he had the balls to try to make a comeback four years after the prematurely retired.
So he clearly put himself on display as a transparent, self-serving jerk with no class. So year, he was the best RB in a Giants uniform in my lifetime -- by a long shot. That doesn't mean I have to like the tool.
You have to love the world we live in today I hate a guy for what was reported in his personal life... Yeah judge Tiki off of second hand information like you have a clue about the circumstances
That said, he was a major asshole who ruined himself post-football with his pomposity. He could have been a modern day Frank Gifford post football if he wasn't such a dick. But he's been punished enough by his own doing, and that Strahan of all people became everything that Tiki thought would be him.
As a player, he was as fine a running back that has ever donned the blue and white (prior to 2018 of course) and might have been a hall of fame contender had he not done stupid things. If his presence is helping the potential hall of famers in the Giants' 2018 locker room see that, then I say - Welcome Back Tiki! AND Here's To Team Before Talent!
Yes I Hope Saquon will be better, but pound for pound with a body of history to compare - Tiki is the best.
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Tiki's career wasn't saved by TC. It was certainly improved by TC and how he coached the fumbles out. Tiki was our best offensive weapon before TC arrived, that's for sure.
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should not be held in high esteem
This. Tiki didn't get rejected just because of that one comment about Eli. He got widely rejected by the fans because he turned out to be a huge douche on a variety of levels.
He announced his retirement mid-season, at the peak of his skills when his team was ready to make a run, just so he could spark an auction for his services as a post-football media personality.
At age 35, he abandoned his wife when she was 8 months pregnant with twins, in order to run off with a 21 year old blonde.
He badmouthed Coughlin, Eli, and the organization generally.
And then he had the balls to try to make a comeback four years after the prematurely retired.
So he clearly put himself on display as a transparent, self-serving jerk with no class. So year, he was the best RB in a Giants uniform in my lifetime -- by a long shot. That doesn't mean I have to like the tool.
You have to love the world we live in today I hate a guy for what was reported in his personal life... Yeah judge Tiki off of second hand information like you have a clue about the circumstances
The key facts are not subject to doubt or dispute.
It is clear and undisputed that he left his wife of 10 years when she was 8 months pregnant with twins to run off with a 21 year old blonde. This is not some sort of he-said-she-said situation subject to doubt or nuance.
It is also clear and undisputed that he announced his imminent retirement in the middle of the 2006 season, in the midst of a playoff season, in order to jumpstart his media career.
And it is clear and undisputed that he tried to build that career by bad mouthing his former team and teammates.
So, you can pretend that there is some sort of doubt about the circumstances that revealed him as a massive douche, but please don't expect me to do the same. He was a great RB -- as I said, the best to wear a Giants uniform in my lifetime -- but his behavior clearly showed him to be a first class jerk.
I learned a long time ago not to presume to know what goes on inside a marriage. Maybe his wife was a total bitch who was making his life miserable. I don't know either way, and neither does anyone posting here.
He had a helluva game, but I'll always remember an Amani Toomer TD where it looks like his knee was down earlier in the play but replay showed it was 5 millimeters off the ground.
I learned a long time ago not to presume to know what goes on inside a marriage. Maybe his wife was a total bitch who was making his life miserable. I don't know either way, and neither does anyone posting here.
Yes, I guess there could be a totally innocent and reasonable explanation as to why he left his wife, who was 8 months pregnant with twins, to take up publicly with a 21 year old blonde piece of eyecandy. I should have considered that.
Either that, or it's an obvious douche move by a notoriously and obviously selfish jerk.
Either or.
This is the second time I've had to make this argument with a NYG fan, but this isn't a fair assessment.
You simply can't argue Barkley is a good draft choice if he turns out to be a great RB *AND* the QB's flop. That statement assumes the NYG had perfect hindsight, which is impossible.
1. They didn't have the option of taking Baker Mayfield, as he was selected. If Mayfield develops into a franchise QB, this has no impact on the NYG.
2. The NYG passes on Sam Darnold. If Sam Darnold develops into a franchise QB and then wins a SB, then yes, you have a legitimate argument against the NYG's pick.
3. If Josh Allen or John Rosen develop into great QB's and win SB's, they're pretty much already into the category of the generic QB gamble.
It was recently posted Eli is the only top 10 QB in the past decade to win a SB. SB winning QB's and franchise QB's have been selected throughout the draft, including mid to late 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounds etc. Since the NYG could have only selected one of the potential Josh's and both of them were selected numerous spots after the NYG's round 1 selection (meaning other teams also passed, so they weren't sure-fire bets), it all gets muddled into the QB draft lottery, where people are going with their best guess and hoping it works out. How many amazing talents were determined to be the next great, drafted high in the first round, and outright busted? The NYG simply felt going with Barkley was a safer bet as the best player available while also in a need position.
You're just going to torture yourself if you evaluate this draft by using perfect hindsight while evaluating the 3-5 top QB prospects versus our selection.
Perhaps it's simpler to express my feelings this way. If one of Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, or Josh Rosen becomes a HOF QB, is it really fair to say the NYG failed because they didn't select that 1 QB when realistically no one had a clue which of the three would be great? Just too many unknowns to place blame.
I've lived long enough to feel on top of the world and then have life kick me in the teeth. Live long enough and you will get kicked in the teeth, too. Life will humble you. Sometimes you faceplant. I have. Sometimes you're doing fine and the people you care about get sick or die and there's not a goddam thing you can do about it. That's happened to me, too.
Life kicked Tiki in the teeth. A lot of that was his fault, but some was just bad luck. Lots of media guys have survived worse scandals than Tiki leaving his wife for a young woman, or him mouthing off about an ex-teammate. Today Michael Strahan has the media career Tiki thought he was getting, and Strahan is not the greatest guy in the world, either. Strahan did things right and got a little lucky, Tiki did some things wrong and got a little unlucky.
So I'm not going to kick the guy. I loved watching him play. My life was a little better because Tiki Barber played football for the team I follow. He didn't do anything since to make my life worse. (His life may be worse, but not mine.) He's got his own stuff to deal with now, and I'm not part of it. He can go with God, and with my thanks for his play for the Giants, and the rest is none of my business.
It's not just Giants fans, I've had fans of other teams make similar comments about Tiki. My Pat's friend who hates all Mannings can't say anything good about Tiki after those comments came out.
Oh, wait. Never mind. LT is hugely revered around here.
Tiki was the only reason to watch Giant football for a few years. Let it go.
Oh, wait. Never mind. LT is hugely revered around here.
There's tons of hypocrisy on here.
Conversely, has anyone here said that Tiki wasn't a great RB? No. I think everyone agrees he was an all-time great Giant RB.
Both great players. Both less than stellar people off the field (though it would be pretty damn hard to argue that LT's character flaws aren't deeper and more serious than Tiki's).
Dave Meggett has been, at least, excommunicated from Giantsdom.
No. But LT, with a list of transgressions that would fill up a Grisham novel, is not as ostracized with Giants fans as Barber.
I don't think it's close. Start an LT thread around here and see what you eventually get - what a football God he was.
Start a Barber thread? It will ultimately veer into his criticisms and his first marriage. Like a lot of the above...
Sad thing is, he did this to further his own career, all the while the Giants go on to win two Superbowls without him.
I dont think I have ever seen life kick anyone's ass like this. I suspect I'll get over it once he gives back a little....and this isnt the last thing I remember him for.
Wasn't he one of the players who had no issue publicly questioning the gameplanning and coaching?
When people say he was posturing for his post-football career while he was playing, it feels like a very legit criticism.
A lot of the "anonymous locker room source" leak stuff was attributed to him too.
OTOH, Tiki the player was a hard worker, overcame major obstacles be it fumbling or size & the perception he's not an every down back. He was as versatile & smart an RB with great vision, hands, even solid pass pro
For Shurmur & NYG, it pays to swallow any pride as there's good reason to think regardless of his likely low integrity in family and the media career errors he'd only be great resource even if just for quick passing advice to SB
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should not be held in high esteem
This. Tiki didn't get rejected just because of that one comment about Eli. He got widely rejected by the fans because he turned out to be a huge douche on a variety of levels.
He announced his retirement mid-season, at the peak of his skills when his team was ready to make a run, just so he could spark an auction for his services as a post-football media personality.
At age 35, he abandoned his wife when she was 8 months pregnant with twins, in order to run off with a 21 year old blonde.
He badmouthed Coughlin, Eli, and the organization generally.
And then he had the balls to try to make a comeback four years after the prematurely retired.
So he clearly put himself on display as a transparent, self-serving jerk with no class. So year, he was the best RB in a Giants uniform in my lifetime -- by a long shot. That doesn't mean I have to like the tool.
You have to love the world we live in today I hate a guy for what was reported in his personal life... Yeah judge Tiki off of second hand information like you have a clue about the circumstances
The key facts are not subject to doubt or dispute.
It is clear and undisputed that he left his wife of 10 years when she was 8 months pregnant with twins to run off with a 21 year old blonde. This is not some sort of he-said-she-said situation subject to doubt or nuance.
It is also clear and undisputed that he announced his imminent retirement in the middle of the 2006 season, in the midst of a playoff season, in order to jumpstart his media career.
And it is clear and undisputed that he tried to build that career by bad mouthing his former team and teammates.
So, you can pretend that there is some sort of doubt about the circumstances that revealed him as a massive douche, but please don't expect me to do the same. He was a great RB -- as I said, the best to wear a Giants uniform in my lifetime -- but his behavior clearly showed him to be a first class jerk.
How about you mind your buisness and stop judging a strangers personal life
That's such a silly argument. No one on the planet saw the 2008 SB run coming.
Wasn't he one of the players who had no issue publicly questioning the gameplanning and coaching?
When people say he was posturing for his post-football career while he was playing, it feels like a very legit criticism.
A lot of the "anonymous locker room source" leak stuff was attributed to him too.
Strahan was no angel either. See his messy relationship with Coughlin and how he was close to creating a mutiny.
Who knows? It's not like Pat Shurmur has any connection to the history of this team or was here to experience Tiki's final years. This story is a pretty random thing.
That past is the past, I will be happy to see him back in good graces with this team.
Yikes, it pissed me off at the time too at the time, but come on, it s been a decade!
He was a great Giant, an egomaniac, certainly, but, let it go.
But Tiki is not a likable guy, he committed the ultimate sin at the wrong moment in time, and the fans may well not ever be as accepting.
Both made questionable personal decisions and had run in's with coaches in NY.
One left the team hanging, which is a bad look for fans, then promptly started badmouthing former teammates and coaches.
The other rode off into the sunset with a Super Bowl ring, gets several gigs in broadcasting, and acts like a homer and smiles.
One guy gets what being a media celebrity is about. The other guy doesn't.
Character-wise, they probably aren't very different. In public perception - they are very different.
they did need a way to improve the offence and to break the deep safety coverage that teams used to strangle the pass to OBJ and engram and shepard the best way to do that was to force teams to alter their defence to account for barkley either running or passing out of the backfield pick your poison instant threat at WR or death by a thousand cuts from barkley,who may also break a few for long TD's as well
shurmur will actually use engram the way he is meant to as a move TE and use ellison as the inline TE,i was confidant that shurmur would want to take barkley because they needed to give eli back the playaction pass that was so important to the offence earlier in his career,and that would make him effective again in his final years
shurmur also relies heavily on screens and passes to the RB as he did with both philly and the vikings so i knew he would want barkley most. the question for me was gettleman as i thought he was more likely to take bradley chubb as his focus has always been the big guys in the trenches over the skill position guys.
he did take mccaffery while at carolina so i did hope he would let shurmur convince him to take barkley over chubb but after the draft it was clear that HE wanted barkley more than anyone in the front office too
the giants have been best when they had a top flight RB see joe morris,rodney hampton,dave meggett,tiki barber ,bradshaw,jacobs and barring injury charles way might have joined that list. the giants have always been about tough defence and running the ball they got away from that for too long thats why the defence was wearing down late in games and the offence didnt scare people despite the best WR in the game
they also got away from the TE position as well for far too many years throwing late round picks at a position of obviously much higher need but shurmur and gettleman know the value a very good TE brings to the giants
and they will make better use of the guys they have now as well,engram was one of reese's best picks just mac didnt use him properly last year,and ellison at all
i would be more interested on how chubb shakes out as i think the giants would have taken him had cleveland taken barkley at 1.
had i been cleveland i would have made a deal with the giants to get both the QB and barkley with the first 2 picks but then they took mayfield who i wanted no part of and whiffed in the second round taking a poor OT over hernandez who i cant believe lasted for the giants to take him either
i didnt like any of the QB's in that draft they were all over hyped.
mayfield is too short too much of a distraction and an off-field accident waiting to happen,they talked about a culture change than added another volatile guy to the mix
josh rosen just showed why he was not the guy the second he opened his mouth to bitch about his huge slide in the draft,waiting for his injury history to reappear as well
josh allen just wasnt accurate enough and has way too many incompletitions for that high of a pick could still be the second best of the QB's in that draft thou
lamar jackson is far too raw to be a first round pick he might end up like tyrell prior converting to Rb OR WR in the nfl
darnold may have been the best of that bunch but he was very interception prone in college and he may be even worse against much better nfl corners so we will so how that one shakes out with the jets
This will especially be the case if Eli s career with the Giants comes to an end without another Super Bowl win.