I obviously don't know what is up with him, but clearly he is acting in a different manner than he did his first year here. He clearly doesn't take well to criticism, earned or otherwise.
Apparently that's not allowed either according to some.
Doesnt that work both ways? If someone has a different opinion shouldn't you hear out both sides and talk it out, instead of attacking every person who doesnt agree with him?
Depends on who the opposing side represents. If I'm over here saying police brutality is out of control and the other person is saying, "fuck you, America love it or leave it", well not a lot of good can come out of listening and trying to reason with that person.
Thats a bit disengenuous. On the other thread there was a at least one person who disagreed with the premise of the first art of your statement, and did not use pejorative. Just expressed disagreement. And that person was subjected to high pitched invective.
RE: RE: RE: RE: these players miss the point completely. you don't have a RIGHT Â
Your comparison to "shoving cocks in mouths" shows your emotion to the subject and I can only conclude you're probably a racist or a brainwashed patriot.
What exact part of anything up to this point has pointed to racisim?
If there is a certain population that is upset with certain aspects of American life, feeling marginalized or cheated, they deserve to express that in whatever way they choose. It's not for those who are without dissent to force others to behave a certain way. It is for those dissenters to express their dissatisfaction and offer solutions. Those that are able must then find remedies for those concerns.
This forcing players to stand is just putting lipstick on a pig. We all know there are unaddressed issues. Until they are addressed it just makes for a stupid, insincere display.
To the NFL, players kneeling doesn't make their product look any worse as it's not about the NFL. It's about people suffering and nothing being done.
It was affecting the NFLs bottom line. That's it. It has nothing to do with patriotism, or the troops, or anything else. It's about moving the merch.
The NFL would just like this to go away, and now this stupid policy is going to make things worse for them. The reporting on what happened at the meeting to discuss this last year shows how out of touch these owners are.
They are going to get sued. I am not a lawyer, and can acknowledge that your conduct at work is governed by your employer. I also think political speech that doesn't at all affect your performance at work is probably a different subject. Then you've got the fairly obvious collusion case that Kaepernick has which is also winding its way through the courts.
Nothing like this had to happen. The players are asking to start a discussion on this topic. There are numerous ways the NFL could have facilitated or helped with this that would have been a win-win for everyone involved. Instead we have this stupidity.
I think this would have blown over is certain political people or types didn’t go out of their way to make this a big issue for purely partisan or ratings reasons. I know for me I don’t give a shit what the players. And, I know for a fact that I can’t put myself in the players shoes. What irritates me regarding Kapo is not his kneeling, it’s that he admitted he never voted in the next election.
As an aside, on Francesa yesterday, Shurmur had no problems with Harrison’s absence. He said he was aware of the reason and ok with it.
RE: RE: these players miss the point completely. you don't have a RIGHT Â
It’s not in the game rules but it is in the operations manual. Francesca read from it yesterday. It’s basically a manual for how the league runs a game. It specifies MUST stand and hold helmet in left hand.
It’s not in the game rules but it is in the operations manual. Francesca read from it yesterday. It’s basically a manual for how the league runs a game. It specifies MUST stand and hold helmet in left hand.
It explicitly does not say they MUST stand and hold their helmets. It says they should. It does however say they must be on the sideline, which I didn't realize.
i really thought snacks was a stand up guy with great character but it seems like he loses the power in his message by playing the same game as the social justice brigade and media now a days. singling out individual tweets and making sweeping rationalizations? yes snacks, that is exactly what your fans what to see and will lead us all to better moral standing, thank you for your sage wisdom.
RE: RE: RE: RE: these players miss the point completely. you don't have a RIGHT Â
It’s not in the game rules but it is in the operations manual. Francesca read from it yesterday. It’s basically a manual for how the league runs a game. It specifies MUST stand and hold helmet in left hand.
It explicitly does not say they MUST stand and hold their helmets. It says they should. It does however say they must be on the sideline, which I didn't realize.
the guy who has a job "30 million other people can do" further diminish what ever moral high ground he thinks he is on. claims to fighting for inequality but just devalued someone's self worth completely without having a single clue about the person or his role in the world. it all just seems petty and immature.
it doesn't matter how many people can do my job, if I consistently push my personal agenda during company hrs/meetings, i will surely be reprimanded. Not to mention by signing an employment contract with a private entity, you are required to follow what ever conduct policy they set forth and have little legal recourse to retaliate if found to be non-compliant.
I think this would have blown over is certain political people or types didn’t go out of their way to make this a big issue for purely partisan or ratings reasons. I know for me I don’t give a shit what the players. And, I know for a fact that I can’t put myself in the players shoes. What irritates me regarding Kapo is not his kneeling, it’s that he admitted he never voted in the next election.
As an aside, on Francesa yesterday, Shurmur had no problems with Harrison’s absence. He said he was aware of the reason and ok with it.
That's funny, I don't think the media reported on this enough. I certainly saw a lot of "here's who's kneeling this week," but investigations into why and what the players wanted was lacking.
If they had, perhaps what we could have gotten was an agreement that the issues they wanted to raise were worth talking about. If you don't think that they are worth at least a conversation, I don't know what to tell you.
"Can’t look kids in the eye anymore and tell that they can be whatever they want to be. Has to now be you can be whatever they allow you to be and to the level they want you to be that at." - @snacks
It's sad, but for some, it's always been this way in America.
The NFL Owners can make money off of the backs of black people, but when it comes to fighting for issues that have an adverse effect on that same black community that produces so much of it's product, we get...
"stay in the locker room"
The NFL Owners only care about money and that is a dishonorable trait.
RE: My solution is better than the NFL's solution... Â
Let the players kneel if they want to. Don't fine any of them. Don't fine the teams either.
Instruct the camera men not to film or photograph any kneeling players. Shitcan any camera man not following those orders.
I actually don't think that would be a very good solution. It would hardly be a secret that players continued to kneel, and the league/networks would take flack for trying to cover it up.
cannot wait to take Management's side on things when it comes to sports.
The NFL is not your 9-5 employer. Trying to apply the same standards you have to deal with at your job is bizarre.
Exactly, I would argue that the NFL or any other professional sport for that matter is very unique and unlike your average employer/employee relationships we understand. I think the NFL is a symbiotic partnership between two peers the owners and the players. Each side requires the other to be prosperous. If this were a purely constitutional question than those arguing that the players do not have a right to protest in the work place would probably prevail. However it’s not. It’s more of a political question. The idea that if the players want to abide by rules and noms set by the league then they should be fired is silly. It’s not like me or you in your job where if we quit or were fired they could replace us rather quickly. We are talking about professional athletes. It’s not like you can easily replace these guys. The scab players during the strike years showed the public is not going to pay to watch sub standard entertainment. My point is both sides have a vested interest in finding a win-win solution because no one enjoys having something rammed down their throat. Negotiations over the CBA were going to be difficult already. I fear if they get this wrong negotiations will only be more difficult
Some feel offended by these demonstrations while the rest feel it's their right to protest injustice. So who is ultimately correct, maybe nobody.
The NFL has ridden the wave of patriotism (and created good will which has = $$$). This party's over, let's get down to what really matters - The wonderful and entertaining spectacle which is modern man's version of gladiator games - Pro Football ....
And forget waving the flag - it causes too many ill feelings. Who wants to pay $100 (or more at he stadium) to witness this sideshow ?
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cannot wait to take Management's side on things when it comes to sports.
The NFL is not your 9-5 employer. Trying to apply the same standards you have to deal with at your job is bizarre.
personally, I take management’s side on pretty much everything. As I worker, I recognize that I am not their raison d’etre. Most times I think they are generally humane and, where not, a reasonable balance is achieved. And always, you have two sides that pretty much do the utmost for their own self-interest. It at least management can and pretty much has to see a bigger picture.
RE: Did we ever find out why he skipped voluntary minicamp? Â
That it is the people who get upset by anthem protests that keep it going and make it a big deal
If you all just stopped fussing about it, it would go away. Protests only work if they generate a reaction. Ignore the protests and they will go away on their own
Depends on who the opposing side represents. If I'm over here saying police brutality is out of control and the other person is saying, "fuck you, America love it or leave it", well not a lot of good can come out of listening and trying to reason with that person.
Once again... missing the point. When he speaks (or kneels) he has the Giants' logo attached. Meanwhile, if the rest of us decide to be social justice warriors on company time, we would be canned pretty quickly. It amazes me how people still don't get that.
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I think you've cracked the code. It's like their jobs are radically different from ours!
Period!!!
Disrespecting the flag or the country will not help quell any injustices perceived or real. What it will do is polarize the country into what it is vastly becoming, The States of Special Interests as opposed to the United States.
BTW- Been a while since there has been any sensationalized cop shooting, and I for one am very happy about that and hope it continues forever.
Period!!!
Disrespecting the flag or the country will not help quell any injustices perceived or real. What it will do is polarize the country into what it is vastly becoming, The States of Special Interests as opposed to the United States.
BTW- Been a while since there has been any sensationalized cop shooting, and I for one am very happy about that and hope it continues forever.
Great thing about this country is freedom of speech in that the players can speak and act freely within conventional norms and ALSO choose the consequences of the free speech. NFL has stated their personal conduct policy for employment. The players could choose
to violate and seek alternative forms of employment as Kapernick did. Free to choose your employer. Think about that and the freedom. What value are these players placing on this job and their opinions and speech ?
As back drop remember most of these athletes have not been accountable for responsibility and personal conduct thru HS and college. Remember those guys that got a pass because the play sports? Some are the immature individuals with lack of emotional intelligence. I’ll bet one day Kapernick will reflect it was a mistake to let a political agenda in a skirt detail his career and chance to be recognized as an NFL relevant. Now he is poison. Or as Lenin alluded, a useful idiot. I think Goodell
came to his senses when he sent Joe Lockhart packing, as the you will see
a politicization trap on other marketing campaigns like breast cancer
etc. metoo, etc
Good thing we live in US we actually have choices
to improve or ruin our life.
don't have any language regarding the anthem, the NBA's might be the most restrictive stating that players must "stand in formation in a dignified pose" for the anthem.
That wording has been on the books for several years and it gets overlooked.
RE: It's really strange to me how many working Americans Â
cannot wait to take Management's side on things when it comes to sports.
I mean, if you're trying to make this some kind of a class solidarity thing, pro football players making millions a year aren't exactly "workers". Is there any functional difference between the players and management from the perspective of, say, a roofer? They all drive BMWs and Bentleys and live in mansions, so what's the difference?
but seriously, I do not care whether players stand or kneel for the anthem. However I do think its a lazy way of genuinely affecting change. So many other ways to call attention to any social injustices they perceive than to kneel during the anthem.
Period!!!
Disrespecting the flag or the country will not help quell any injustices perceived or real. What it will do is polarize the country into what it is vastly becoming, The States of Special Interests as opposed to the United States.
BTW- Been a while since there has been any sensationalized cop shooting, and I for one am very happy about that and hope it continues forever.
lol this is posted when the video of the bucks player being tased came out literally yesterday
Does not get suspended the moment you punch the clock at work. The Supreme Court has made it pretty clear that management cannot suppress non-violent talk or gestures (e.g. kneeling) of labor if they don't like the things employees are saying while on the job. That one has been in the books since, like, the 1930s.
Get ready for lots of players and lots of entire teams to stay in the tunnel until the anthem is over; look for players and entire teams to find other ways to voice their social/political concerns in even more public ways. And look for the Colin Kap case to demonstrate league collusion: and then the NFL will have SERIOUS issues to deal with.
Owners blew this one big time, and just turned a slightly large mole hill into a mountain.
cannot wait to take Management's side on things when it comes to sports.
I mean, if you're trying to make this some kind of a class solidarity thing, pro football players making millions a year aren't exactly "workers". Is there any functional difference between the players and management from the perspective of, say, a roofer? They all drive BMWs and Bentleys and live in mansions, so what's the difference?
Greg,
The owners are billionaires, and will be for the rest of their lives. NFL players are compensated handsomely, but only for an average of what, 3 years? And not everyone makes Eli Manning money. Of course they are nowhere close to the average working American in terms of compensation, but to lump the players together with the owners in terms of wealth is just silly. These guys have to live off this short-lived money for the rest of their lives and they put their bodies and health at risk in the meantime while the owners literally do nothing besides watch the games.
Does not get suspended the moment you punch the clock at work. The Supreme Court has made it pretty clear that management cannot suppress non-violent talk or gestures (e.g. kneeling) of labor if they don't like the things employees are saying while on the job. That one has been in the books since, like, the 1930s.
Get ready for lots of players and lots of entire teams to stay in the tunnel until the anthem is over; look for players and entire teams to find other ways to voice their social/political concerns in even more public ways. And look for the Colin Kap case to demonstrate league collusion: and then the NFL will have SERIOUS issues to deal with.
Owners blew this one big time, and just turned a slightly large mole hill into a mountain.
Right, they will pay the players off and pass the cost to PSL owners with $40 beer and hotdogs.
Does not get suspended the moment you punch the clock at work. The Supreme Court has made it pretty clear that management cannot suppress non-violent talk or gestures (e.g. kneeling) of labor if they don't like the things employees are saying while on the job. That one has been in the books since, like, the 1930s.
Get ready for lots of players and lots of entire teams to stay in the tunnel until the anthem is over; look for players and entire teams to find other ways to voice their social/political concerns in even more public ways. And look for the Colin Kap case to demonstrate league collusion: and then the NFL will have SERIOUS issues to deal with.
Owners blew this one big time, and just turned a slightly large mole hill into a mountain.
Right, they will pay the players off and pass the cost to PSL owners with $40 beer and hotdogs.
Wake up.
Make the owners trade on a public exchange. It will happen, next challenge will be making the NFL soccer. That is how deranged evolvement is.
RE: RE: Look social issues do not belong in sports Â
Period!!!
Disrespecting the flag or the country will not help quell any injustices perceived or real. What it will do is polarize the country into what it is vastly becoming, The States of Special Interests as opposed to the United States.
BTW- Been a while since there has been any sensationalized cop shooting, and I for one am very happy about that and hope it continues forever.
lol this is posted when the video of the bucks player being tased came out literally yesterday
Yeah missed that, my bad.... It had been a stretch though
A lot of early onset Alzheimer’s on this thread. Â
Opening Day:
All of the "non white" players on team X have decided to stay in Locker Room until after Anthem.
ON sidelines are a dozen or so white players and coaches.
How soon before the EXPLOSION ?
This is quite possibly the worst plan ever.
First Amendment does not extend to the workplace. Â
Employers are free to set standards and rules by which to run their businesses.
These players have access to media, before and after every game, practice and team event, why aren't the holding press conferences then?
Easy, the want the free advertising for their cause du jour.
and as with most Leftists, they want to thumbs their collective noses at patriotic Americans.
RE: RE: these players miss the point completely. you don't have a RIGHT Â
to do whatever you want on the company's time. Protest all you want on your own time.
The only thing dumber is the NFL's "solution".
The NFL never had a rule against kneeling. So they actually did have the right to Kneel.
Actually any owner can allow or not allow players to kneel. It isn't a right. Their employer can dictate behaviors acceptable or unacceptable
This is a bad as when people say we live in a
Democracy.
have the right to tell you not to talk politics, current events, or Jets' football in the office?
No.
Does your boss have the right to punish you for holding views that s/he finds abhorrent?
No.
Do you, as an employee, have the right to speak honestly without fear of recrimination?
Yes.
Just because players have been made into demi-gods by us doesn't mean they automatically have to become intellectually or politically neutered. In fact, it probably means that they have the obligation to use their pulpit to advance their causes.
The great ones often do this. I'm looking at you, Photo of Mohammad Ali.
However if the views can be proven to harm the business of the employer then that is a different story. Eg a racist or misogynist rant
i think that this is absolutely right. And it’s possible that the Anthem is a Pandora’s Box for those types of vocalizations. You might end up asking people why they knelt or why they performed some other on field action and find out it was in support of defunding Planned Prenthood or Open Carry or something else we might disagree with. And that’s not substantively different, protest-wise, or right-wise (should we decide that unfettered, in-thought about speech in a private workplace, is a right.
The only thing dumber is the NFL's "solution".
In theory, this is right. But in practice, it does not apply to people who have power, wealth, or a highly desired skill.
Snacks can say whatever he wants because he is one of the top ten nose tackles on the planet. Ditto for anyone else who has a skill highly in demand.
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No, but Shurmur didn't sound pleased.
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Apparently that's not allowed either according to some.
Doesnt that work both ways? If someone has a different opinion shouldn't you hear out both sides and talk it out, instead of attacking every person who doesnt agree with him?
Depends on who the opposing side represents. If I'm over here saying police brutality is out of control and the other person is saying, "fuck you, America love it or leave it", well not a lot of good can come out of listening and trying to reason with that person.
This forcing players to stand is just putting lipstick on a pig. We all know there are unaddressed issues. Until they are addressed it just makes for a stupid, insincere display.
To the NFL, players kneeling doesn't make their product look any worse as it's not about the NFL. It's about people suffering and nothing being done.
Just MHO.
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to a player who, instead of kneeling, simply stayed in the locker room till the anthem was over?
Was it mandated that they come out and stand?
No.
The Steelers, Seahawks, and Titans stayed in the locker room for the anthem last season.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20801902/pittsburgh-steelers-remain-locker-room-national-anthem
The NFL would just like this to go away, and now this stupid policy is going to make things worse for them. The reporting on what happened at the meeting to discuss this last year shows how out of touch these owners are.
They are going to get sued. I am not a lawyer, and can acknowledge that your conduct at work is governed by your employer. I also think political speech that doesn't at all affect your performance at work is probably a different subject. Then you've got the fairly obvious collusion case that Kaepernick has which is also winding its way through the courts.
Nothing like this had to happen. The players are asking to start a discussion on this topic. There are numerous ways the NFL could have facilitated or helped with this that would have been a win-win for everyone involved. Instead we have this stupidity.
As an aside, on Francesa yesterday, Shurmur had no problems with Harrison’s absence. He said he was aware of the reason and ok with it.
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to do whatever you want on the company's time. Protest all you want on your own time.
The only thing dumber is the NFL's "solution".
The NFL never had a rule against kneeling. So they actually did have the right to Kneel.
It drew some attention, but in the end Villanueva's comments about the whole thing were pretty much perfect.
It explicitly does not say they MUST stand and hold their helmets. It says they should. It does however say they must be on the sideline, which I didn't realize.
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It’s not in the game rules but it is in the operations manual. Francesca read from it yesterday. It’s basically a manual for how the league runs a game. It specifies MUST stand and hold helmet in left hand.
It explicitly does not say they MUST stand and hold their helmets. It says they should. It does however say they must be on the sideline, which I didn't realize.
it doesn't matter how many people can do my job, if I consistently push my personal agenda during company hrs/meetings, i will surely be reprimanded. Not to mention by signing an employment contract with a private entity, you are required to follow what ever conduct policy they set forth and have little legal recourse to retaliate if found to be non-compliant.
As an aside, on Francesa yesterday, Shurmur had no problems with Harrison’s absence. He said he was aware of the reason and ok with it.
That's funny, I don't think the media reported on this enough. I certainly saw a lot of "here's who's kneeling this week," but investigations into why and what the players wanted was lacking.
If they had, perhaps what we could have gotten was an agreement that the issues they wanted to raise were worth talking about. If you don't think that they are worth at least a conversation, I don't know what to tell you.
...and I always stand for the national anthem. (My father would have crucified me had I remained in my seat).
But when did it become a crime / fine to choose otherwise?
NFL thinking about its pocketbook. Period. It's about the money. Their rule about staying in the locker room is an insult to their employees.
Instruct the camera men not to film or photograph any kneeling players. Shitcan any camera man not following those orders.
The NFL is not your 9-5 employer. Trying to apply the same standards you have to deal with at your job is bizarre.
It's sad, but for some, it's always been this way in America.
The NFL Owners can make money off of the backs of black people, but when it comes to fighting for issues that have an adverse effect on that same black community that produces so much of it's product, we get...
"stay in the locker room"
The NFL Owners only care about money and that is a dishonorable trait.
Instruct the camera men not to film or photograph any kneeling players. Shitcan any camera man not following those orders.
I actually don't think that would be a very good solution. It would hardly be a secret that players continued to kneel, and the league/networks would take flack for trying to cover it up.
All alone... In my tiny apartment, watching some important event on TV.
During the anthem. Hand on heart. Alone!:
Whereas that I still;
I seriously don't give a flying fuck what anyone else does. Not a wit.
I mean, is it a well founded act of protest? No. ( privately imho It's backwards and dumb as heck.)
But am I publicly condemning anyone or seeking to control their actions? Hell no!
What anyone else chooses to do or not do is not my business.
The NFL is not your 9-5 employer. Trying to apply the same standards you have to deal with at your job is bizarre.
Exactly, I would argue that the NFL or any other professional sport for that matter is very unique and unlike your average employer/employee relationships we understand. I think the NFL is a symbiotic partnership between two peers the owners and the players. Each side requires the other to be prosperous. If this were a purely constitutional question than those arguing that the players do not have a right to protest in the work place would probably prevail. However it’s not. It’s more of a political question. The idea that if the players want to abide by rules and noms set by the league then they should be fired is silly. It’s not like me or you in your job where if we quit or were fired they could replace us rather quickly. We are talking about professional athletes. It’s not like you can easily replace these guys. The scab players during the strike years showed the public is not going to pay to watch sub standard entertainment. My point is both sides have a vested interest in finding a win-win solution because no one enjoys having something rammed down their throat. Negotiations over the CBA were going to be difficult already. I fear if they get this wrong negotiations will only be more difficult
Some feel offended by these demonstrations while the rest feel it's their right to protest injustice. So who is ultimately correct, maybe nobody.
The NFL has ridden the wave of patriotism (and created good will which has = $$$). This party's over, let's get down to what really matters - The wonderful and entertaining spectacle which is modern man's version of gladiator games - Pro Football ....
And forget waving the flag - it causes too many ill feelings. Who wants to pay $100 (or more at he stadium) to witness this sideshow ?
The NFL is not your 9-5 employer. Trying to apply the same standards you have to deal with at your job is bizarre.
I thought he was finishing his degree
If you all just stopped fussing about it, it would go away. Protests only work if they generate a reaction. Ignore the protests and they will go away on their own
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Depends on who the opposing side represents. If I'm over here saying police brutality is out of control and the other person is saying, "fuck you, America love it or leave it", well not a lot of good can come out of listening and trying to reason with that person.
Once again... missing the point. When he speaks (or kneels) he has the Giants' logo attached. Meanwhile, if the rest of us decide to be social justice warriors on company time, we would be canned pretty quickly. It amazes me how people still don't get that.
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I think you've cracked the code. It's like their jobs are radically different from ours!
Disrespecting the flag or the country will not help quell any injustices perceived or real. What it will do is polarize the country into what it is vastly becoming, The States of Special Interests as opposed to the United States.
BTW- Been a while since there has been any sensationalized cop shooting, and I for one am very happy about that and hope it continues forever.
Disrespecting the flag or the country will not help quell any injustices perceived or real. What it will do is polarize the country into what it is vastly becoming, The States of Special Interests as opposed to the United States.
BTW- Been a while since there has been any sensationalized cop shooting, and I for one am very happy about that and hope it continues forever.
Great thing about this country is freedom of speech in that the players can speak and act freely within conventional norms and ALSO choose the consequences of the free speech. NFL has stated their personal conduct policy for employment. The players could choose
to violate and seek alternative forms of employment as Kapernick did. Free to choose your employer. Think about that and the freedom. What value are these players placing on this job and their opinions and speech ?
As back drop remember most of these athletes have not been accountable for responsibility and personal conduct thru HS and college. Remember those guys that got a pass because the play sports? Some are the immature individuals with lack of emotional intelligence. I’ll bet one day Kapernick will reflect it was a mistake to let a political agenda in a skirt detail his career and chance to be recognized as an NFL relevant. Now he is poison. Or as Lenin alluded, a useful idiot. I think Goodell
came to his senses when he sent Joe Lockhart packing, as the you will see
a politicization trap on other marketing campaigns like breast cancer
etc. metoo, etc
Good thing we live in US we actually have choices
to improve or ruin our life.
That wording has been on the books for several years and it gets overlooked.
I mean, if you're trying to make this some kind of a class solidarity thing, pro football players making millions a year aren't exactly "workers". Is there any functional difference between the players and management from the perspective of, say, a roofer? They all drive BMWs and Bentleys and live in mansions, so what's the difference?
but seriously, I do not care whether players stand or kneel for the anthem. However I do think its a lazy way of genuinely affecting change. So many other ways to call attention to any social injustices they perceive than to kneel during the anthem.
Disrespecting the flag or the country will not help quell any injustices perceived or real. What it will do is polarize the country into what it is vastly becoming, The States of Special Interests as opposed to the United States.
BTW- Been a while since there has been any sensationalized cop shooting, and I for one am very happy about that and hope it continues forever.
Get ready for lots of players and lots of entire teams to stay in the tunnel until the anthem is over; look for players and entire teams to find other ways to voice their social/political concerns in even more public ways. And look for the Colin Kap case to demonstrate league collusion: and then the NFL will have SERIOUS issues to deal with.
Owners blew this one big time, and just turned a slightly large mole hill into a mountain.
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cannot wait to take Management's side on things when it comes to sports.
I mean, if you're trying to make this some kind of a class solidarity thing, pro football players making millions a year aren't exactly "workers". Is there any functional difference between the players and management from the perspective of, say, a roofer? They all drive BMWs and Bentleys and live in mansions, so what's the difference?
Greg,
The owners are billionaires, and will be for the rest of their lives. NFL players are compensated handsomely, but only for an average of what, 3 years? And not everyone makes Eli Manning money. Of course they are nowhere close to the average working American in terms of compensation, but to lump the players together with the owners in terms of wealth is just silly. These guys have to live off this short-lived money for the rest of their lives and they put their bodies and health at risk in the meantime while the owners literally do nothing besides watch the games.
Get ready for lots of players and lots of entire teams to stay in the tunnel until the anthem is over; look for players and entire teams to find other ways to voice their social/political concerns in even more public ways. And look for the Colin Kap case to demonstrate league collusion: and then the NFL will have SERIOUS issues to deal with.
Owners blew this one big time, and just turned a slightly large mole hill into a mountain.
Right, they will pay the players off and pass the cost to PSL owners with $40 beer and hotdogs.
Wake up.
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Does not get suspended the moment you punch the clock at work. The Supreme Court has made it pretty clear that management cannot suppress non-violent talk or gestures (e.g. kneeling) of labor if they don't like the things employees are saying while on the job. That one has been in the books since, like, the 1930s.
Get ready for lots of players and lots of entire teams to stay in the tunnel until the anthem is over; look for players and entire teams to find other ways to voice their social/political concerns in even more public ways. And look for the Colin Kap case to demonstrate league collusion: and then the NFL will have SERIOUS issues to deal with.
Owners blew this one big time, and just turned a slightly large mole hill into a mountain.
Right, they will pay the players off and pass the cost to PSL owners with $40 beer and hotdogs.
Wake up.
Make the owners trade on a public exchange. It will happen, next challenge will be making the NFL soccer. That is how deranged evolvement is.
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Period!!!
Disrespecting the flag or the country will not help quell any injustices perceived or real. What it will do is polarize the country into what it is vastly becoming, The States of Special Interests as opposed to the United States.
BTW- Been a while since there has been any sensationalized cop shooting, and I for one am very happy about that and hope it continues forever.
lol this is posted when the video of the bucks player being tased came out literally yesterday
Yeah missed that, my bad.... It had been a stretch though
All of the "non white" players on team X have decided to stay in Locker Room until after Anthem.
ON sidelines are a dozen or so white players and coaches.
How soon before the EXPLOSION ?
This is quite possibly the worst plan ever.
These players have access to media, before and after every game, practice and team event, why aren't the holding press conferences then?
Easy, the want the free advertising for their cause du jour.
and as with most Leftists, they want to thumbs their collective noses at patriotic Americans.
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to do whatever you want on the company's time. Protest all you want on your own time.
The only thing dumber is the NFL's "solution".
The NFL never had a rule against kneeling. So they actually did have the right to Kneel.
Actually any owner can allow or not allow players to kneel. It isn't a right. Their employer can dictate behaviors acceptable or unacceptable
This is a bad as when people say we live in a
Democracy.
No.
Does your boss have the right to punish you for holding views that s/he finds abhorrent?
No.
Do you, as an employee, have the right to speak honestly without fear of recrimination?
Yes.
Just because players have been made into demi-gods by us doesn't mean they automatically have to become intellectually or politically neutered. In fact, it probably means that they have the obligation to use their pulpit to advance their causes.
The great ones often do this. I'm looking at you, Photo of Mohammad Ali.