How is that a threat? It's simply observing that if the hype is this hyperbolic and over the top, then the production should be commensurate with the hype. People aren't just saying he'll be a star RB, they're saying he's the greatest skill position prospect ever! Touched by the hand of God! Shoo-in for Canton!
Well, if that's true, then we should see something truly extraordinary from him, no?
You have taken a very weird stance on Barkley simply because you didn’t want a RB. Now you will hate him for the rest of time. We all know how stubborn you are in your pursuit to be “right”. I agree with most of your posts, you’re a bright guy but you sure dig in when you’re set on something.
The obsession that the anti RB crowd has with innocent comments made by Gettleman are absolutely hysterical. Had they drafted the QB all of you wanted and he said the same thing you’d all say “yeah, that’s what I’m talkin about! That’s conviction!”. But he said it about a player you didn’t want so now Barkley has to be the best RB ever on the planet or else! I’m not sure what the or else exactly means though. Or else what?
about Barkley's running style is Gail Sayers. Go back and look at old tapes of Sayers, he too wasn't a small guy, but ran like a scat back. SB is potentially one of the best pass receiving backs ever. He's very natural at it and you can bet he will be majorly featured by Shurmur. He an Odell will make each other even more dangerous.
The obsession that the anti RB crowd has with innocent comments made by Gettleman are absolutely hysterical. Had they drafted the QB all of you wanted and he said the same thing you’d all say “yeah, that’s what I’m talkin about! That’s conviction!”. But he said it about a player you didn’t want so now Barkley has to be the best RB ever on the planet or else! I’m not sure what the or else exactly means though. Or else what?
Innocent comments are: "we think he has great upside...", "We are excited to have added such a wonderful talent...", "Barkley is going to bring many dimensions to our offense...", "Saquon has the type of character we look for...", etc, etc.
Instead, we got something so off the wall from Gettleman - "he's been touched by the hand of God" - that this kid is now under tremendous pressure to instantly produce at a pro bowl level. Gettleman has laid down the gauntlet with this pick and his idea of what a high pick should be. Not those of us who take a more reasonable, measured approach...
The obsession that the anti RB crowd has with innocent comments made by Gettleman are absolutely hysterical. Had they drafted the QB all of you wanted and he said the same thing you’d all say “yeah, that’s what I’m talkin about! That’s conviction!”. But he said it about a player you didn’t want so now Barkley has to be the best RB ever on the planet or else! I’m not sure what the or else exactly means though. Or else what?
Innocent comments are: "we think he has great upside...", "We are excited to have added such a wonderful talent...", "Barkley is going to bring many dimensions to our offense...", "Saquon has the type of character we look for...", etc, etc.
Instead, we got something so off the wall from Gettleman - "he's been touched by the hand of God" - that this kid is now under tremendous pressure to instantly produce at a pro bowl level. Gettleman has laid down the gauntlet with this pick and his idea of what a high pick should be. Not those of us who take a more reasonable, measured approach...
Good lord. Gettleman comments are only as harmful as you allow them to be. Guy said like YOU are making this a huge deal. Because you didn’t want Barkley. When you start to pick apart every little statement that a GM makes that just took a guy in the first round, you’re looking for a reason to be outraged. Give it a rest. Touched by the hand of God. You really give a shit that he said this? Your priorities are all kind of messed up. A GM using hyperbole has your panties all in a bunch becayou are looking for a reason to hate the player that you didn’t want. And that says MUCH more about you tha. It does the GM. It’s embarassing that fans are already ready to pounce on a guy that by all accounts is a fantastic human being. Sometimes I’m ashamed to be a Giants fan and it has nothing to do with the team. The fans fucking suck. Only in NY would this even be an issue. Freakin clown show fans. Let’s just be outraged!
Those like you taking a more reasonable, measured approach. You have got to be kidding me. You have the pitchforks out and are ready to pounce if Barkley doesn’t end up in the HOF because of some comments made by the GM about the player he loves, That’s measured and reasonable?
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
Those like you taking a more reasonable, measured approach. You have got to be kidding me. You have the pitchforks out and are ready to pounce if Barkley doesn’t end up in the HOF because of some comments made by the GM about the player he loves, That’s measured and reasonable?
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
Who has the pitchforks out? You seem to confuse having tempered expectations for a rookie about to join an awful team, with an unproven line, in a brand new system with pitchforks.
There's plenty chance Barkley just won't be that good off the bat. Lots of rookies aren't. Lots of high picks bust.
You jump down everyone's throat on every thread. What are your expectations of him?
The obsession that the anti RB crowd has with innocent comments made by Gettleman are absolutely hysterical. Had they drafted the QB all of you wanted and he said the same thing you’d all say “yeah, that’s what I’m talkin about! That’s conviction!”. But he said it about a player you didn’t want so now Barkley has to be the best RB ever on the planet or else! I’m not sure what the or else exactly means though. Or else what?
Innocent comments are: "we think he has great upside...", "We are excited to have added such a wonderful talent...", "Barkley is going to bring many dimensions to our offense...", "Saquon has the type of character we look for...", etc, etc.
Instead, we got something so off the wall from Gettleman - "he's been touched by the hand of God" - that this kid is now under tremendous pressure to instantly produce at a pro bowl level. Gettleman has laid down the gauntlet with this pick and his idea of what a high pick should be. Not those of us who take a more reasonable, measured approach...
Those like you taking a more reasonable, measured approach. You have got to be kidding me. You have the pitchforks out and are ready to pounce if Barkley doesn’t end up in the HOF because of some comments made by the GM about the player he loves, That’s measured and reasonable?
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
easy does it..this guy isn't pouncing, just going a bit further than you want.
Those like you taking a more reasonable, measured approach. You have got to be kidding me. You have the pitchforks out and are ready to pounce if Barkley doesn’t end up in the HOF because of some comments made by the GM about the player he loves, That’s measured and reasonable?
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
Who has the pitchforks out? You seem to confuse having tempered expectations for a rookie about to join an awful team, with an unproven line, in a brand new system with pitchforks.
There's plenty chance Barkley just won't be that good off the bat. Lots of rookies aren't. Lots of high picks bust.
You jump down everyone's throat on every thread. What are your expectations of him?
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit I see. I have tempered expectations for him. THATS MY POINT! Certain posters on this board are taking random comments the GM made and using it as a prop to suggest that Barkley had better run for 2500 yards in his first yearto back up the GM comments. I’m actdefending Barkley here. Not because I think he’s going to the HOF. But because others DO expect that now. Based on a stupid hand of God comment by the GM. Anything else and he’s a failure in their book. Not sure how the hell you came up with it being me that expects him to break records, I never said that anywhere.
Those like you taking a more reasonable, measured approach. You have got to be kidding me. You have the pitchforks out and are ready to pounce if Barkley doesn’t end up in the HOF because of some comments made by the GM about the player he loves, That’s measured and reasonable?
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
Who has the pitchforks out? You seem to confuse having tempered expectations for a rookie about to join an awful team, with an unproven line, in a brand new system with pitchforks.
There's plenty chance Barkley just won't be that good off the bat. Lots of rookies aren't. Lots of high picks bust.
You jump down everyone's throat on every thread. What are your expectations of him?
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit I see. I have tempered expectations for him. THATS MY POINT! Certain posters on this board are taking random comments the GM made and using it as a prop to suggest that Barkley had better run for 2500 yards in his first yearto back up the GM comments. I’m actdefending Barkley here. Not because I think he’s going to the HOF. But because others DO expect that now. Based on a stupid hand of God comment by the GM. Anything else and he’s a failure in their book. Not sure how the hell you came up with it being me that expects him to break records, I never said that anywhere.
I have no expectations really. Not sure what to expect. Just sit back and hope for the best, that’s all I can do. I wanted a QB just like most people but what’s done is done and I see no reason to look back. And it drives me absolutely insane when the same people on this board keep bringing up obviously goofy comments from the GM and and holding them against him, and more importantly Barkley, and acting as if Barkley doesn’t make the HOF in year one he’s an utter failure because of the coomensts the GM made. The comments were harmless. Except To those that WANT to find something to bitch about.
Those like you taking a more reasonable, measured approach. You have got to be kidding me. You have the pitchforks out and are ready to pounce if Barkley doesn’t end up in the HOF because of some comments made by the GM about the player he loves, That’s measured and reasonable?
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
Well, that was an interesting read.
I’ve been a PSU fan for 30+ years, so if anybody is a fan of Barkley, and hopes he kills it, it’s me.
My position has been clear for months - I didn’t think the best use of the #2 pick was selecting a RB. So I think the draft was mismanaged.
This may be the most pivotal pick in the history of the organization. So I’m going to criticize the pick, particularly when it was a very good class of QBs when we have an ancient one.
And yes - I’m going to point out Gettlemen’s dumb ass remark. And mainly because it was a dumb ass remark.
There’s a much greater chance one or more of Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold and Allen bust than that Barkley busts.
We took a “good” QB in the 4th round.
We missed a great opportunity to take a great QB in the first round.
Barkley may have been the best RB in the draft but I refuse to believe he’s a better football player than Minkah Fitzpatrick or Derwin James. Those guys are tremendous game changing prospects.
get a very special player who performs at a high level immediately. It usually seems to happen to other teams i.e. Bo, Dickerson, Sanders, Pederson et al..For us, the last IMMEDIATE success at a superstar level was of course LT in ‘81.
Yes, it’s possible, that 37 years later we actually got that “from the get-go” super performer. TBD of course, but I am embracing that tantalizing and rare opportunity to experience this wholeheartedly
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get a very special player who performs at a high level immediately. It usually seems to happen to other teams i.e. Bo, Dickerson, Sanders, Pederson et al..For us, the last IMMEDIATE success at a superstar level was of course LT in ‘81.
Yes, it’s possible, that 37 years later we actually got that “from the get-go” super performer. TBD of course, but I am embracing that tantalizing and rare opportunity to experience this wholeheartedly
I think it's been slightly more recent than that. Unless you don't consider 91 receptions for 1305 yards and 12 TDs to be a "super performer."
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get a very special player who performs at a high level immediately. It usually seems to happen to other teams i.e. Bo, Dickerson, Sanders, Pederson et al..For us, the last IMMEDIATE success at a superstar level was of course LT in ‘81.
Yes, it’s possible, that 37 years later we actually got that “from the get-go” super performer. TBD of course, but I am embracing that tantalizing and rare opportunity to experience this wholeheartedly
I think it's been slightly more recent than that. Unless you don't consider 91 receptions for 1305 yards and 12 TDs to be a "super performer."
Pressure and attention for a young player can impact them. It's silly to ignore it -- hopefully Barkley proves to be the anomaly. He'll need to be, because in this day of constant contact and media, every bad day he has on the field will be met with a flurry of hand of God memes and headlines.
If Manning's play looks like last year and the rookies look sharp, Barkley is going to shoulder a little bit of that as well.
It's not fair or reasonable, but it's likely. Wanting to tone down the hyperbole isn't a bitter vendetta from those who wanted a QB, it's just practical. Read basically any account from a bust and the expectations from the media, management and fans will be in there.
If you look at it that way, what you're saying is don't draft a guy unless he's can't miss, and there's no such thing as can't miss. We have years of documented proof that "can't miss" drafted players miss all the time. Fans play the hindsight game all the time in the draft, but many players that went high and failed were sold as can't miss at the time.
SB never hyped himself or placed his talents on a pedestal as far as I can tell. Confident? of course, all great players are (and not so great players). He goes out and does his job super well by all (most) accounts. He is NOT THE ONE who is hyping himself, it’s the media and fans. He seems to have his head on his shoulders and seems to be extremely focused.
So expectations, etc., for this guy is again, media and fan created. Given he probably has received incredible accolades since pee-wee football, I strongly doubt he’ll give two shitz about what is poured upon him, imo
Saying you refuse to believe is not so much direct as it is being obtuse, but carry on.
Did you even read what I wrote? I said Fitz and James are great prospects and just as good at their positions as SB is at his. I'm not sure why that would fall under obtuse.
Now, I know that doesn't fit the narrative that comes out of Jints Central or the mainstream sports media - sources that you and most buy as the truth - but I think it's very defensible.
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Saying you refuse to believe is not so much direct as it is being obtuse, but carry on.
Did you even read what I wrote? I said Fitz and James are great prospects and just as good at their positions as SB is at his. I'm not sure why that would fall under obtuse.
Now, I know that doesn't fit the narrative that comes out of Jints Central or the mainstream sports media - sources that you and most buy as the truth - but I think it's very defensible.
So let me get this straight. You have been pounding your fist on the table since the draft because you don’t take a RB with the 2nd pick. Because that’s what you’ve been conditioned to believe. Yet, you’re perfectly fine taking a safety at 2, even though almost no one on the planet ranks those guys as better prospects than Barkley? But you randomly say they are, so it must be true or everyone else is just bowing to the media. Got it.
So let me get this straight. You have been pounding your fist on the table since the draft because you don’t take a RB with the 2nd pick. Because that’s what you’ve been conditioned to believe. Yet, you’re perfectly fine taking a safety at 2, even though almost no one on the planet ranks those guys as better prospects than Barkley? But you randomly say they are, so it must be true or everyone else is just bowing to the media. Got it.
Nice try. "Conditioned to believe..." - now that's a good one. By whom?
I never said take a S. I said those players were just as good at their position as SB.
I didn't write anything complicated to give you any indication that that was what I was saying. Pretty simple stuff - subject, verb, direct object.
In other words, you are completely making up your narrative for whatever reason...
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If you look at it that way, what you're saying is don't draft a guy unless he's can't miss, and there's no such thing as can't miss. We have years of documented proof that "can't miss" drafted players miss all the time. Fans play the hindsight game all the time in the draft, but many players that went high and failed were sold as can't miss at the time.
I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying you take the best player available and you shouldn’t reach for a need.
And I don’t see how SB busts unless he is injured. He’s just that good of a player.
Did you even read what I wrote? I said Fitz and James are great prospects and just as good at their positions as SB is at his. I'm not sure why that would fall under obtuse.
We can find several sources that have Barkley as one of the highest rated RB's EVER. Several saying he's a generational player and likely the best player in the draft.
How exactly would that translate to two guys being just as good at their positions?
By the way, does the incompetent Jints Central even have control over Brandt and the mainstream media?
Really tough to keep positioning Jints central as equal parts clueless and manipulative, but you keep trying.
We can find several sources that have Barkley as one of the highest rated RB's EVER. Several saying he's a generational player and likely the best player in the draft.
How exactly would that translate to two guys being just as good at their positions?
It's just opinion. It's not like I said a P, K, or LS were in Barkley's football class. So I disagree with the conventional wisdom on SB. Great college player, yes, but I think the projections for him are too big - like so many other generational types from the past.
James and Fitzpatrick are outstanding players. I'm not making some wild-ass stretch here. These guys could be instant pro bowl players. But that would require that you watch them play.
Fitzpatrick played all 4 DB positions for Saban and he played monster. There is nothing he can't do as a DB. Saban calls him one of the best defenders he's ever had. Good enough for me from a defensive mastermind who isn't quick to dole out such high praise.
Do you even know who James is? Have you seen him play? If you aren't impressed by his play and measurables than I don't know what to tell you about what a great prospect looks like. He will be a great NFL safety - and instantly. San Diego got the steal of the draft for a position that needed.
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DG made one hyperbolic comment. The media and fans have been incessant. DG’s other comments about SB have all been in response to reporters’ questions..
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DG made one hyperbolic comment. The media and fans have been incessant. DG’s other comments about SB have all been in response to reporters’ questions..
He's made more than one. But this one was outrageous; and frankly it made him look stupid.
I think he's got more pressure than Barkley. Because if Barkley isn't the second coming of Brown/Sanders/Walter/etc this is going to be a helluva albatross to deal with...
If he doesn’t turn into one of the top three greatest running backs of all time? FFS man. This place has lost its damned mind. Again, you’re just looking for reasons to be outraged because you didn’t like the pick.
Top 3 RB in the history of the sport or it’s an epic failure. Jeezus
If he doesn’t turn into one of the top three greatest running backs of all time? FFS man. This place has lost its damned mind. Again, you’re just looking for reasons to be outraged because you didn’t like the pick.
Top 3 RB in the history of the sport or it’s an epic failure. Jeezus
Whatever.
I'm really not outraged. I'm making an argument. You're applying whatever tone of voice you want to hear.
If you can't recognize Gettleman has bet a lot on Barkley you don't know how football works.
He's the 4th highest paid RB in the NFL day one. Sam Darnold for reference is the 28th highest paid QB.
He's the highest selected running back in some time. He's going to a team with an iconic vet QB looking for his last stand.
When Gettleman virtually says he's perfect in his post-draft comments, that's a pretty decent bet.
Read the posts on this and other threads on what fans expect his numbers to be.
Are you addressing me?
Howdy buddy! Nope, just the general "you," which is always dangerous.
My (very small) fear is if Barkley isn't good out of the gate, he's going to get crushed. Crushed in the media, the fans, social media etc.
I like Gettleman, but his post-draft comments felt self-indulgent for my taste. I don't want the kid to be feel like a failure if he doesn't succeed right away. I think the team is as bad as it showed last year and I am not banking on anyone showing much for a while. And I don't want that to mess with Barkley's head.
Why does everyone keep bringing up he’s the 4 th Â
Highest paid rb? When the position basically gets paid peanuts. In the next few years when backs like gurley Elliot and fournette get their new deals the price will skyrocket. The problem will be when Barkley is up for his second contract the market will be set pretty high.
On a side note Brandt had Hernandez as his 15th best player this year. I’m really looking forward to see him play
If you can't recognize Gettleman has bet a lot on Barkley you don't know how football works.
He's the 4th highest paid RB in the NFL day one. Sam Darnold for reference is the 28th highest paid QB.
He's the highest selected running back in some time. He's going to a team with an iconic vet QB looking for his last stand.
When Gettleman virtually says he's perfect in his post-draft comments, that's a pretty decent bet.
Read the posts on this and other threads on what fans expect his numbers to be.
Are you addressing me?
Howdy buddy! Nope, just the general "you," which is always dangerous.
My (very small) fear is if Barkley isn't good out of the gate, he's going to get crushed. Crushed in the media, the fans, social media etc.
I like Gettleman, but his post-draft comments felt self-indulgent for my taste. I don't want the kid to be feel like a failure if he doesn't succeed right away. I think the team is as bad as it showed last year and I am not banking on anyone showing much for a while. And I don't want that to mess with Barkley's head.
I thin SB is mentally strong and can handle it just fine if he has a slow start. Also I think we are much better than they showed last year before the additions. I think the biggest issue was coaching/leadership. I think the players saw through all the bs and that’s when the trouble began. Where I think we will be in trouble this year is with depth thanks to several years of piss poor drafts
Fitzpatrick played all 4 DB positions for Saban and he played monster. There is nothing he can't do as a DB. Saban calls him one of the best defenders he's ever had. Good enough for me from a defensive mastermind who isn't quick to dole out such high praise.
Do you even know who James is? Have you seen him play? If you aren't impressed by his play and measurables than I don't know what to tell you about what a great prospect looks like. He will be a great NFL safety - and instantly. San Diego got the steal of the draft for a position that needed.
It seems that you are intentionally being obtuse to not see the difference between two very good players and one that MANY people have said is generational and the majority of whom has said was the best player in the draft.
I happen to think Chubb is a great player too. That doesn't mean that somehow devalues Barkley.
But again - the underlying issue is if you don't try to make these preposterous parallels then you can't throw shade on "Jints Central", and that's the bottom line you keep trying to gloss over.
It seems that you are intentionally being obtuse to not see the difference between two very good players and one that MANY people have said is generational and the majority of whom has said was the best player in the draft.
It was a serious question, actually. You are the same guy who thought Mariotta played for U of Hawaii. So I'm not assuming anything.
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Highest paid rb? When the position basically gets paid peanuts.
That's really more a function of the league moving away from paying runningbacks specifically to drive down salaries. The average runningback gets peanuts. Players like Leveon Bell, Adrian Peterson, and eventually Elliott will easily be 12-14m cap hits.
I still have no idea why we decided to make J. Stewart the fifth-largest salary cap burden in football.
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about Barkley's running style is Gail Sayers. Go back and look at old tapes of Sayers, he too wasn't a small guy, but ran like a scat back. SB is potentially one of the best pass receiving backs ever. He's very natural at it and you can bet he will be majorly featured by Shurmur. He an Odell will make each other even more dangerous.
It reminds me of a guy hooked to a joy stick when he gets in the open field he makes subtle moves that you almost don't pick them up and niether do the defenders the next thing you know he is by you ..
Well, if that's true, then we should see something truly extraordinary from him, no?
You have taken a very weird stance on Barkley simply because you didn’t want a RB. Now you will hate him for the rest of time. We all know how stubborn you are in your pursuit to be “right”. I agree with most of your posts, you’re a bright guy but you sure dig in when you’re set on something.
The obsession that the anti RB crowd has with innocent comments made by Gettleman are absolutely hysterical. Had they drafted the QB all of you wanted and he said the same thing you’d all say “yeah, that’s what I’m talkin about! That’s conviction!”. But he said it about a player you didn’t want so now Barkley has to be the best RB ever on the planet or else! I’m not sure what the or else exactly means though. Or else what?
The obsession that the anti RB crowd has with innocent comments made by Gettleman are absolutely hysterical. Had they drafted the QB all of you wanted and he said the same thing you’d all say “yeah, that’s what I’m talkin about! That’s conviction!”. But he said it about a player you didn’t want so now Barkley has to be the best RB ever on the planet or else! I’m not sure what the or else exactly means though. Or else what?
Innocent comments are: "we think he has great upside...", "We are excited to have added such a wonderful talent...", "Barkley is going to bring many dimensions to our offense...", "Saquon has the type of character we look for...", etc, etc.
Instead, we got something so off the wall from Gettleman - "he's been touched by the hand of God" - that this kid is now under tremendous pressure to instantly produce at a pro bowl level. Gettleman has laid down the gauntlet with this pick and his idea of what a high pick should be. Not those of us who take a more reasonable, measured approach...
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The obsession that the anti RB crowd has with innocent comments made by Gettleman are absolutely hysterical. Had they drafted the QB all of you wanted and he said the same thing you’d all say “yeah, that’s what I’m talkin about! That’s conviction!”. But he said it about a player you didn’t want so now Barkley has to be the best RB ever on the planet or else! I’m not sure what the or else exactly means though. Or else what?
Innocent comments are: "we think he has great upside...", "We are excited to have added such a wonderful talent...", "Barkley is going to bring many dimensions to our offense...", "Saquon has the type of character we look for...", etc, etc.
Instead, we got something so off the wall from Gettleman - "he's been touched by the hand of God" - that this kid is now under tremendous pressure to instantly produce at a pro bowl level. Gettleman has laid down the gauntlet with this pick and his idea of what a high pick should be. Not those of us who take a more reasonable, measured approach...
Good lord. Gettleman comments are only as harmful as you allow them to be. Guy said like YOU are making this a huge deal. Because you didn’t want Barkley. When you start to pick apart every little statement that a GM makes that just took a guy in the first round, you’re looking for a reason to be outraged. Give it a rest. Touched by the hand of God. You really give a shit that he said this? Your priorities are all kind of messed up. A GM using hyperbole has your panties all in a bunch becayou are looking for a reason to hate the player that you didn’t want. And that says MUCH more about you tha. It does the GM. It’s embarassing that fans are already ready to pounce on a guy that by all accounts is a fantastic human being. Sometimes I’m ashamed to be a Giants fan and it has nothing to do with the team. The fans fucking suck. Only in NY would this even be an issue. Freakin clown show fans. Let’s just be outraged!
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
Who has the pitchforks out? You seem to confuse having tempered expectations for a rookie about to join an awful team, with an unproven line, in a brand new system with pitchforks.
There's plenty chance Barkley just won't be that good off the bat. Lots of rookies aren't. Lots of high picks bust.
You jump down everyone's throat on every thread. What are your expectations of him?
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The obsession that the anti RB crowd has with innocent comments made by Gettleman are absolutely hysterical. Had they drafted the QB all of you wanted and he said the same thing you’d all say “yeah, that’s what I’m talkin about! That’s conviction!”. But he said it about a player you didn’t want so now Barkley has to be the best RB ever on the planet or else! I’m not sure what the or else exactly means though. Or else what?
Innocent comments are: "we think he has great upside...", "We are excited to have added such a wonderful talent...", "Barkley is going to bring many dimensions to our offense...", "Saquon has the type of character we look for...", etc, etc.
Instead, we got something so off the wall from Gettleman - "he's been touched by the hand of God" - that this kid is now under tremendous pressure to instantly produce at a pro bowl level. Gettleman has laid down the gauntlet with this pick and his idea of what a high pick should be. Not those of us who take a more reasonable, measured approach...
Its not off the wall...just colorful.
Take it easy.
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
easy does it..this guy isn't pouncing, just going a bit further than you want.
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Those like you taking a more reasonable, measured approach. You have got to be kidding me. You have the pitchforks out and are ready to pounce if Barkley doesn’t end up in the HOF because of some comments made by the GM about the player he loves, That’s measured and reasonable?
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
Who has the pitchforks out? You seem to confuse having tempered expectations for a rookie about to join an awful team, with an unproven line, in a brand new system with pitchforks.
There's plenty chance Barkley just won't be that good off the bat. Lots of rookies aren't. Lots of high picks bust.
You jump down everyone's throat on every thread. What are your expectations of him?
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit I see. I have tempered expectations for him. THATS MY POINT! Certain posters on this board are taking random comments the GM made and using it as a prop to suggest that Barkley had better run for 2500 yards in his first yearto back up the GM comments. I’m actdefending Barkley here. Not because I think he’s going to the HOF. But because others DO expect that now. Based on a stupid hand of God comment by the GM. Anything else and he’s a failure in their book. Not sure how the hell you came up with it being me that expects him to break records, I never said that anywhere.
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Those like you taking a more reasonable, measured approach. You have got to be kidding me. You have the pitchforks out and are ready to pounce if Barkley doesn’t end up in the HOF because of some comments made by the GM about the player he loves, That’s measured and reasonable?
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
Who has the pitchforks out? You seem to confuse having tempered expectations for a rookie about to join an awful team, with an unproven line, in a brand new system with pitchforks.
There's plenty chance Barkley just won't be that good off the bat. Lots of rookies aren't. Lots of high picks bust.
You jump down everyone's throat on every thread. What are your expectations of him?
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit I see. I have tempered expectations for him. THATS MY POINT! Certain posters on this board are taking random comments the GM made and using it as a prop to suggest that Barkley had better run for 2500 yards in his first yearto back up the GM comments. I’m actdefending Barkley here. Not because I think he’s going to the HOF. But because others DO expect that now. Based on a stupid hand of God comment by the GM. Anything else and he’s a failure in their book. Not sure how the hell you came up with it being me that expects him to break records, I never said that anywhere.
Who's expecting that? What do expect from him?
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
Well, that was an interesting read.
I’ve been a PSU fan for 30+ years, so if anybody is a fan of Barkley, and hopes he kills it, it’s me.
My position has been clear for months - I didn’t think the best use of the #2 pick was selecting a RB. So I think the draft was mismanaged.
This may be the most pivotal pick in the history of the organization. So I’m going to criticize the pick, particularly when it was a very good class of QBs when we have an ancient one.
And yes - I’m going to point out Gettlemen’s dumb ass remark. And mainly because it was a dumb ass remark.
Taking a ‘good’ QB at #2 can put you in QB hell.
There’s a much greater chance one or more of Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold and Allen bust than that Barkley busts.
Taking a ‘good’ QB at #2 can put you in QB hell.
There’s a much greater chance one or more of Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold and Allen bust than that Barkley busts.
We took a “good” QB in the 4th round.
We missed a great opportunity to take a great QB in the first round.
Barkley may have been the best RB in the draft but I refuse to believe he’s a better football player than Minkah Fitzpatrick or Derwin James. Those guys are tremendous game changing prospects.
Refusing to believe has been the concept that significantly derails discussion.
Oddly, many people fully embrace that the QB's drafted below Barkley will be something special.
Strange dynamics.
Yes, it’s possible, that 37 years later we actually got that “from the get-go” super performer. TBD of course, but I am embracing that tantalizing and rare opportunity to experience this wholeheartedly
Yes, it’s possible, that 37 years later we actually got that “from the get-go” super performer. TBD of course, but I am embracing that tantalizing and rare opportunity to experience this wholeheartedly
I think it's been slightly more recent than that. Unless you don't consider 91 receptions for 1305 yards and 12 TDs to be a "super performer."
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get a very special player who performs at a high level immediately. It usually seems to happen to other teams i.e. Bo, Dickerson, Sanders, Pederson et al..For us, the last IMMEDIATE success at a superstar level was of course LT in ‘81.
Yes, it’s possible, that 37 years later we actually got that “from the get-go” super performer. TBD of course, but I am embracing that tantalizing and rare opportunity to experience this wholeheartedly
I think it's been slightly more recent than that. Unless you don't consider 91 receptions for 1305 yards and 12 TDs to be a "super performer."
Oh shit. Of course..
Barkley is/was a much better receiver than Sanders coming out.
Type of offenses changed. The running back has become a heavier part of the passing offense.
If Manning's play looks like last year and the rookies look sharp, Barkley is going to shoulder a little bit of that as well.
It's not fair or reasonable, but it's likely. Wanting to tone down the hyperbole isn't a bitter vendetta from those who wanted a QB, it's just practical. Read basically any account from a bust and the expectations from the media, management and fans will be in there.
Taking a ‘good’ QB at #2 can put you in QB hell.
If you look at it that way, what you're saying is don't draft a guy unless he's can't miss, and there's no such thing as can't miss. We have years of documented proof that "can't miss" drafted players miss all the time. Fans play the hindsight game all the time in the draft, but many players that went high and failed were sold as can't miss at the time.
Is that language too direct for you "safe space" fans?
Saying you refuse to believe is not so much direct as it is being obtuse, but carry on.
So expectations, etc., for this guy is again, media and fan created. Given he probably has received incredible accolades since pee-wee football, I strongly doubt he’ll give two shitz about what is poured upon him, imo
Saying you refuse to believe is not so much direct as it is being obtuse, but carry on.
Did you even read what I wrote? I said Fitz and James are great prospects and just as good at their positions as SB is at his. I'm not sure why that would fall under obtuse.
Now, I know that doesn't fit the narrative that comes out of Jints Central or the mainstream sports media - sources that you and most buy as the truth - but I think it's very defensible.
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"too direct"??
Saying you refuse to believe is not so much direct as it is being obtuse, but carry on.
Did you even read what I wrote? I said Fitz and James are great prospects and just as good at their positions as SB is at his. I'm not sure why that would fall under obtuse.
Now, I know that doesn't fit the narrative that comes out of Jints Central or the mainstream sports media - sources that you and most buy as the truth - but I think it's very defensible.
So let me get this straight. You have been pounding your fist on the table since the draft because you don’t take a RB with the 2nd pick. Because that’s what you’ve been conditioned to believe. Yet, you’re perfectly fine taking a safety at 2, even though almost no one on the planet ranks those guys as better prospects than Barkley? But you randomly say they are, so it must be true or everyone else is just bowing to the media. Got it.
So let me get this straight. You have been pounding your fist on the table since the draft because you don’t take a RB with the 2nd pick. Because that’s what you’ve been conditioned to believe. Yet, you’re perfectly fine taking a safety at 2, even though almost no one on the planet ranks those guys as better prospects than Barkley? But you randomly say they are, so it must be true or everyone else is just bowing to the media. Got it.
Nice try. "Conditioned to believe..." - now that's a good one. By whom?
I never said take a S. I said those players were just as good at their position as SB.
I didn't write anything complicated to give you any indication that that was what I was saying. Pretty simple stuff - subject, verb, direct object.
In other words, you are completely making up your narrative for whatever reason...
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And the second best player was probably Chubb.
Taking a ‘good’ QB at #2 can put you in QB hell.
If you look at it that way, what you're saying is don't draft a guy unless he's can't miss, and there's no such thing as can't miss. We have years of documented proof that "can't miss" drafted players miss all the time. Fans play the hindsight game all the time in the draft, but many players that went high and failed were sold as can't miss at the time.
I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying you take the best player available and you shouldn’t reach for a need.
And I don’t see how SB busts unless he is injured. He’s just that good of a player.
We can find several sources that have Barkley as one of the highest rated RB's EVER. Several saying he's a generational player and likely the best player in the draft.
How exactly would that translate to two guys being just as good at their positions?
By the way, does the incompetent Jints Central even have control over Brandt and the mainstream media?
Really tough to keep positioning Jints central as equal parts clueless and manipulative, but you keep trying.
We can find several sources that have Barkley as one of the highest rated RB's EVER. Several saying he's a generational player and likely the best player in the draft.
How exactly would that translate to two guys being just as good at their positions?
It's just opinion. It's not like I said a P, K, or LS were in Barkley's football class. So I disagree with the conventional wisdom on SB. Great college player, yes, but I think the projections for him are too big - like so many other generational types from the past.
James and Fitzpatrick are outstanding players. I'm not making some wild-ass stretch here. These guys could be instant pro bowl players. But that would require that you watch them play.
Fitzpatrick played all 4 DB positions for Saban and he played monster. There is nothing he can't do as a DB. Saban calls him one of the best defenders he's ever had. Good enough for me from a defensive mastermind who isn't quick to dole out such high praise.
Do you even know who James is? Have you seen him play? If you aren't impressed by his play and measurables than I don't know what to tell you about what a great prospect looks like. He will be a great NFL safety - and instantly. San Diego got the steal of the draft for a position that needed.
DG made one hyperbolic comment. The media and fans have been incessant. DG’s other comments about SB have all been in response to reporters’ questions..
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DG made one hyperbolic comment. The media and fans have been incessant. DG’s other comments about SB have all been in response to reporters’ questions..
He's made more than one. But this one was outrageous; and frankly it made him look stupid.
I think he's got more pressure than Barkley. Because if Barkley isn't the second coming of Brown/Sanders/Walter/etc this is going to be a helluva albatross to deal with...
Top 3 RB in the history of the sport or it’s an epic failure. Jeezus
Top 3 RB in the history of the sport or it’s an epic failure. Jeezus
Whatever.
I'm really not outraged. I'm making an argument. You're applying whatever tone of voice you want to hear.
He's the 4th highest paid RB in the NFL day one. Sam Darnold for reference is the 28th highest paid QB.
He's the highest selected running back in some time. He's going to a team with an iconic vet QB looking for his last stand.
When Gettleman virtually says he's perfect in his post-draft comments, that's a pretty decent bet.
Read the posts on this and other threads on what fans expect his numbers to be.
He's the 4th highest paid RB in the NFL day one. Sam Darnold for reference is the 28th highest paid QB.
He's the highest selected running back in some time. He's going to a team with an iconic vet QB looking for his last stand.
When Gettleman virtually says he's perfect in his post-draft comments, that's a pretty decent bet.
Read the posts on this and other threads on what fans expect his numbers to be.
Are you addressing me?
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If you can't recognize Gettleman has bet a lot on Barkley you don't know how football works.
He's the 4th highest paid RB in the NFL day one. Sam Darnold for reference is the 28th highest paid QB.
He's the highest selected running back in some time. He's going to a team with an iconic vet QB looking for his last stand.
When Gettleman virtually says he's perfect in his post-draft comments, that's a pretty decent bet.
Read the posts on this and other threads on what fans expect his numbers to be.
Are you addressing me?
Howdy buddy! Nope, just the general "you," which is always dangerous.
My (very small) fear is if Barkley isn't good out of the gate, he's going to get crushed. Crushed in the media, the fans, social media etc.
I like Gettleman, but his post-draft comments felt self-indulgent for my taste. I don't want the kid to be feel like a failure if he doesn't succeed right away. I think the team is as bad as it showed last year and I am not banking on anyone showing much for a while. And I don't want that to mess with Barkley's head.
On a side note Brandt had Hernandez as his 15th best player this year. I’m really looking forward to see him play
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If you can't recognize Gettleman has bet a lot on Barkley you don't know how football works.
He's the 4th highest paid RB in the NFL day one. Sam Darnold for reference is the 28th highest paid QB.
He's the highest selected running back in some time. He's going to a team with an iconic vet QB looking for his last stand.
When Gettleman virtually says he's perfect in his post-draft comments, that's a pretty decent bet.
Read the posts on this and other threads on what fans expect his numbers to be.
Are you addressing me?
Howdy buddy! Nope, just the general "you," which is always dangerous.
My (very small) fear is if Barkley isn't good out of the gate, he's going to get crushed. Crushed in the media, the fans, social media etc.
I like Gettleman, but his post-draft comments felt self-indulgent for my taste. I don't want the kid to be feel like a failure if he doesn't succeed right away. I think the team is as bad as it showed last year and I am not banking on anyone showing much for a while. And I don't want that to mess with Barkley's head.
I thin SB is mentally strong and can handle it just fine if he has a slow start. Also I think we are much better than they showed last year before the additions. I think the biggest issue was coaching/leadership. I think the players saw through all the bs and that’s when the trouble began. Where I think we will be in trouble this year is with depth thanks to several years of piss poor drafts
The ones throwing a tantrum because we didn’t go qb
Playing the old, "have you seen him play card"?
Do you even know who James is? Have you seen him play? If you aren't impressed by his play and measurables than I don't know what to tell you about what a great prospect looks like. He will be a great NFL safety - and instantly. San Diego got the steal of the draft for a position that needed.
It seems that you are intentionally being obtuse to not see the difference between two very good players and one that MANY people have said is generational and the majority of whom has said was the best player in the draft.
I happen to think Chubb is a great player too. That doesn't mean that somehow devalues Barkley.
But again - the underlying issue is if you don't try to make these preposterous parallels then you can't throw shade on "Jints Central", and that's the bottom line you keep trying to gloss over.
Playing the old, "have you seen him play card"?
It seems that you are intentionally being obtuse to not see the difference between two very good players and one that MANY people have said is generational and the majority of whom has said was the best player in the draft.
It was a serious question, actually. You are the same guy who thought Mariotta played for U of Hawaii. So I'm not assuming anything.
That's really more a function of the league moving away from paying runningbacks specifically to drive down salaries. The average runningback gets peanuts. Players like Leveon Bell, Adrian Peterson, and eventually Elliott will easily be 12-14m cap hits.
I still have no idea why we decided to make J. Stewart the fifth-largest salary cap burden in football.
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about Barkley's running style is Gail Sayers. Go back and look at old tapes of Sayers, he too wasn't a small guy, but ran like a scat back. SB is potentially one of the best pass receiving backs ever. He's very natural at it and you can bet he will be majorly featured by Shurmur. He an Odell will make each other even more dangerous.
It reminds me of a guy hooked to a joy stick when he gets in the open field he makes subtle moves that you almost don't pick them up and niether do the defenders the next thing you know he is by you ..