when you say "1600 yards less" I assume you are talking about their JR seasons only? And only rushing? Because otherwise there's nothing close to that:
if so, why wouldn't Ty Detmer have been the best QB prospect of all time when he came out? When his college career ended he held the NCAA all time records for the following:
Attempts, completions, passing yards, total yards, TD's (passing only), TD's (total), and passer rating.
Why did he fall all the way to the ninth round? Because he was considered too short to be successful in the NFL, for starters.
When discussing grades don't be fooled into thinking that college productivity is all that matters. Grades incorporate a ton of things, including production, athleticism, football IQ, leadership ability, marketability, general intelligence, citizenship, attitude, effort, consistency, etc.
We have now heard at least two professionals say that he's received historically high grades. Does that mean he won't bust? Of course not. It just means that a lot of pros understand why he was selected so high. Every player has bust potential.
Sanders played so long ago and the game has changed so much that Â
It's likely Sanders received higher grades for his rushing ability. But Barkley likely received higher grades for his receiving and maybe even for his pass protection.
Not to mention that Barkley received top notch grades for his work ethic and character (don't know how Sanders was viewed in these cats coming out).
anyone who thinks his contribution to this particular overall offense ( difference makers in OBJ and Engram) is going to be measured in traditional RB metrics in this particular era of the NFL is going to be disappointed by comparisons to historical figures or players on teams with no other means of significant disruption.
Giving someone with Eli's ability to read and our other weapons a yard of time and space by tilting the scale towards the defense one further step back and one further step spread and one more half a second to read...can have enormous impact and few stats
IMO, that is how I think his skills will be utilized and how he will measure in the future. The only thing that he will care about is the number of Super Bowls he wins. That is the ultimate goal. I don't thinks SB cares about stats.
and character. I've seen the videos of Barkley power cleaning and squatting, the funny thing is I remember seeing video of Barry Sanders putting crazy weight-room numbers way back when. Sanders in no rush for glory - ( New Window )
Gil Brandt, a very reputable source, makes this proclamation and all the SB-for-Instant-HoF-Induction-Club-Members just fawn all over themselves in delight.
But then when others start reminding these members of what other great skill players did the move is "oh, well, it's too hard to compare eras. So let's trying to..."
I mentioned higher up in this thread that Randy Moss was a better skilled player in college than Barkley. He was from outer space:
that the reaction of fans to SB is fascinating to me. We all know that he could be the next Barry Sanders or the next Ki-Jana Carter. But we're all fans. Why wouldn't we all be hopeful at this point that he's going to be Sanders?
And what's with the threats? I've read stuff like "he'd better get at least 1200 yds rushing and 800 yds receiving with 12 TD's...". What's up with that?
I'm not in psychology, but I would love to hear what a true psychologist would say about the things said in these scenarios. My own pop-psychology would say we have some stubborn people, some angry people, some delusional people, and others. It seems like the balance of irrational to rational reactions is decidedly tipped in the wrong direction, but perhaps that's because rational people don't get too involved in this stuff. Maybe that's the fanatical part of being a fan coming out in us.
How is that a threat? It's simply observing that if the hype is this hyperbolic and over the top, then the production should be commensurate with the hype. People aren't just saying he'll be a star RB, they're saying he's the greatest skill position prospect ever! Touched by the hand of God! Shoo-in for Canton!
Well, if that's true, then we should see something truly extraordinary from him, no?
that the reaction of fans to SB is fascinating to me. We all know that he could be the next Barry Sanders or the next Ki-Jana Carter. But we're all fans. Why wouldn't we all be hopeful at this point that he's going to be Sanders?
Most are in that last sentence category. It's this instant canonization by quite a few.
And when your GM comes out saying a player has been "touched by the hand of God, well, it does start a fire.
Personally, I think that reflects very poorly on Gettleman, and I hope Barkley doesn't feel too much pressure and tries to hard...
Barkley is/was a much better receiver than Sanders coming out.
You don't know that because Oak State wasn't a throwing team. And, of course, the eras are different.
Even if you want to assume that, Barkley almost certainly still had a higher receiving grade since he had demonstrated his receiving ability and therefore its not unreasonable to think his overall grade as a RB (combining rushing, receiving, intangibles, etc) was higher.
Even if you want to assume that, Barkley almost certainly still had a higher receiving grade since he had demonstrated his receiving ability and therefore its not unreasonable to think his overall grade as a RB (combining rushing, receiving, intangibles, etc) was higher.
I hear you.
Just a quick compare and contrast, I'd say this:
Better runner: Sanders +
Better receiver: Barkley
Intangibles: dead even
Special teams: Sanders -
when you say "1600 yards less" I assume you are talking about their JR seasons only? And only rushing? Because otherwise there's nothing close to that:
Even if you want to assume that, Barkley almost certainly still had a higher receiving grade since he had demonstrated his receiving ability and therefore its not unreasonable to think his overall grade as a RB (combining rushing, receiving, intangibles, etc) was higher.
I hear you.
Just a quick compare and contrast, I'd say this:
Better runner: Sanders +
Better receiver: Barkley
Intangibles: dead even
Special teams: Sanders -
Sanders caught 350 passes in his career for near 3000 yards in a different era. I don't think you can so breezily assume Sanders is not an equal as a receiver.
Sanders caught 350 passes in his career for near 3000 yards in a different era. I don't think you can so breezily assume Sanders is not an equal as a receiver.
Well, that certainly helps knowing that now. But I’m trying to be fair from a standpoint of what I saw in Sanders at Oak St, and in conjunction with his receiving stats then...
How is that a threat? It's simply observing that if the hype is this hyperbolic and over the top, then the production should be commensurate with the hype. People aren't just saying he'll be a star RB, they're saying he's the greatest skill position prospect ever! Touched by the hand of God! Shoo-in for Canton!
Well, if that's true, then we should see something truly extraordinary from him, no?
You have taken a very weird stance on Barkley simply because you didn’t want a RB. Now you will hate him for the rest of time. We all know how stubborn you are in your pursuit to be “right”. I agree with most of your posts, you’re a bright guy but you sure dig in when you’re set on something.
The obsession that the anti RB crowd has with innocent comments made by Gettleman are absolutely hysterical. Had they drafted the QB all of you wanted and he said the same thing you’d all say “yeah, that’s what I’m talkin about! That’s conviction!”. But he said it about a player you didn’t want so now Barkley has to be the best RB ever on the planet or else! I’m not sure what the or else exactly means though. Or else what?
about Barkley's running style is Gail Sayers. Go back and look at old tapes of Sayers, he too wasn't a small guy, but ran like a scat back. SB is potentially one of the best pass receiving backs ever. He's very natural at it and you can bet he will be majorly featured by Shurmur. He an Odell will make each other even more dangerous.
The obsession that the anti RB crowd has with innocent comments made by Gettleman are absolutely hysterical. Had they drafted the QB all of you wanted and he said the same thing you’d all say “yeah, that’s what I’m talkin about! That’s conviction!”. But he said it about a player you didn’t want so now Barkley has to be the best RB ever on the planet or else! I’m not sure what the or else exactly means though. Or else what?
Innocent comments are: "we think he has great upside...", "We are excited to have added such a wonderful talent...", "Barkley is going to bring many dimensions to our offense...", "Saquon has the type of character we look for...", etc, etc.
Instead, we got something so off the wall from Gettleman - "he's been touched by the hand of God" - that this kid is now under tremendous pressure to instantly produce at a pro bowl level. Gettleman has laid down the gauntlet with this pick and his idea of what a high pick should be. Not those of us who take a more reasonable, measured approach...
The obsession that the anti RB crowd has with innocent comments made by Gettleman are absolutely hysterical. Had they drafted the QB all of you wanted and he said the same thing you’d all say “yeah, that’s what I’m talkin about! That’s conviction!”. But he said it about a player you didn’t want so now Barkley has to be the best RB ever on the planet or else! I’m not sure what the or else exactly means though. Or else what?
Innocent comments are: "we think he has great upside...", "We are excited to have added such a wonderful talent...", "Barkley is going to bring many dimensions to our offense...", "Saquon has the type of character we look for...", etc, etc.
Instead, we got something so off the wall from Gettleman - "he's been touched by the hand of God" - that this kid is now under tremendous pressure to instantly produce at a pro bowl level. Gettleman has laid down the gauntlet with this pick and his idea of what a high pick should be. Not those of us who take a more reasonable, measured approach...
Good lord. Gettleman comments are only as harmful as you allow them to be. Guy said like YOU are making this a huge deal. Because you didn’t want Barkley. When you start to pick apart every little statement that a GM makes that just took a guy in the first round, you’re looking for a reason to be outraged. Give it a rest. Touched by the hand of God. You really give a shit that he said this? Your priorities are all kind of messed up. A GM using hyperbole has your panties all in a bunch becayou are looking for a reason to hate the player that you didn’t want. And that says MUCH more about you tha. It does the GM. It’s embarassing that fans are already ready to pounce on a guy that by all accounts is a fantastic human being. Sometimes I’m ashamed to be a Giants fan and it has nothing to do with the team. The fans fucking suck. Only in NY would this even be an issue. Freakin clown show fans. Let’s just be outraged!
Those like you taking a more reasonable, measured approach. You have got to be kidding me. You have the pitchforks out and are ready to pounce if Barkley doesn’t end up in the HOF because of some comments made by the GM about the player he loves, That’s measured and reasonable?
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
Those like you taking a more reasonable, measured approach. You have got to be kidding me. You have the pitchforks out and are ready to pounce if Barkley doesn’t end up in the HOF because of some comments made by the GM about the player he loves, That’s measured and reasonable?
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
Who has the pitchforks out? You seem to confuse having tempered expectations for a rookie about to join an awful team, with an unproven line, in a brand new system with pitchforks.
There's plenty chance Barkley just won't be that good off the bat. Lots of rookies aren't. Lots of high picks bust.
You jump down everyone's throat on every thread. What are your expectations of him?
The obsession that the anti RB crowd has with innocent comments made by Gettleman are absolutely hysterical. Had they drafted the QB all of you wanted and he said the same thing you’d all say “yeah, that’s what I’m talkin about! That’s conviction!”. But he said it about a player you didn’t want so now Barkley has to be the best RB ever on the planet or else! I’m not sure what the or else exactly means though. Or else what?
Innocent comments are: "we think he has great upside...", "We are excited to have added such a wonderful talent...", "Barkley is going to bring many dimensions to our offense...", "Saquon has the type of character we look for...", etc, etc.
Instead, we got something so off the wall from Gettleman - "he's been touched by the hand of God" - that this kid is now under tremendous pressure to instantly produce at a pro bowl level. Gettleman has laid down the gauntlet with this pick and his idea of what a high pick should be. Not those of us who take a more reasonable, measured approach...
Those like you taking a more reasonable, measured approach. You have got to be kidding me. You have the pitchforks out and are ready to pounce if Barkley doesn’t end up in the HOF because of some comments made by the GM about the player he loves, That’s measured and reasonable?
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
easy does it..this guy isn't pouncing, just going a bit further than you want.
Those like you taking a more reasonable, measured approach. You have got to be kidding me. You have the pitchforks out and are ready to pounce if Barkley doesn’t end up in the HOF because of some comments made by the GM about the player he loves, That’s measured and reasonable?
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
Who has the pitchforks out? You seem to confuse having tempered expectations for a rookie about to join an awful team, with an unproven line, in a brand new system with pitchforks.
There's plenty chance Barkley just won't be that good off the bat. Lots of rookies aren't. Lots of high picks bust.
You jump down everyone's throat on every thread. What are your expectations of him?
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit I see. I have tempered expectations for him. THATS MY POINT! Certain posters on this board are taking random comments the GM made and using it as a prop to suggest that Barkley had better run for 2500 yards in his first yearto back up the GM comments. I’m actdefending Barkley here. Not because I think he’s going to the HOF. But because others DO expect that now. Based on a stupid hand of God comment by the GM. Anything else and he’s a failure in their book. Not sure how the hell you came up with it being me that expects him to break records, I never said that anywhere.
Those like you taking a more reasonable, measured approach. You have got to be kidding me. You have the pitchforks out and are ready to pounce if Barkley doesn’t end up in the HOF because of some comments made by the GM about the player he loves, That’s measured and reasonable?
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
Who has the pitchforks out? You seem to confuse having tempered expectations for a rookie about to join an awful team, with an unproven line, in a brand new system with pitchforks.
There's plenty chance Barkley just won't be that good off the bat. Lots of rookies aren't. Lots of high picks bust.
You jump down everyone's throat on every thread. What are your expectations of him?
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit I see. I have tempered expectations for him. THATS MY POINT! Certain posters on this board are taking random comments the GM made and using it as a prop to suggest that Barkley had better run for 2500 yards in his first yearto back up the GM comments. I’m actdefending Barkley here. Not because I think he’s going to the HOF. But because others DO expect that now. Based on a stupid hand of God comment by the GM. Anything else and he’s a failure in their book. Not sure how the hell you came up with it being me that expects him to break records, I never said that anywhere.
I have no expectations really. Not sure what to expect. Just sit back and hope for the best, that’s all I can do. I wanted a QB just like most people but what’s done is done and I see no reason to look back. And it drives me absolutely insane when the same people on this board keep bringing up obviously goofy comments from the GM and and holding them against him, and more importantly Barkley, and acting as if Barkley doesn’t make the HOF in year one he’s an utter failure because of the coomensts the GM made. The comments were harmless. Except To those that WANT to find something to bitch about.
Those like you taking a more reasonable, measured approach. You have got to be kidding me. You have the pitchforks out and are ready to pounce if Barkley doesn’t end up in the HOF because of some comments made by the GM about the player he loves, That’s measured and reasonable?
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
Well, that was an interesting read.
I’ve been a PSU fan for 30+ years, so if anybody is a fan of Barkley, and hopes he kills it, it’s me.
My position has been clear for months - I didn’t think the best use of the #2 pick was selecting a RB. So I think the draft was mismanaged.
This may be the most pivotal pick in the history of the organization. So I’m going to criticize the pick, particularly when it was a very good class of QBs when we have an ancient one.
And yes - I’m going to point out Gettlemen’s dumb ass remark. And mainly because it was a dumb ass remark.
There’s a much greater chance one or more of Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold and Allen bust than that Barkley busts.
We took a “good” QB in the 4th round.
We missed a great opportunity to take a great QB in the first round.
Barkley may have been the best RB in the draft but I refuse to believe he’s a better football player than Minkah Fitzpatrick or Derwin James. Those guys are tremendous game changing prospects.
get a very special player who performs at a high level immediately. It usually seems to happen to other teams i.e. Bo, Dickerson, Sanders, Pederson et al..For us, the last IMMEDIATE success at a superstar level was of course LT in ‘81.
Yes, it’s possible, that 37 years later we actually got that “from the get-go” super performer. TBD of course, but I am embracing that tantalizing and rare opportunity to experience this wholeheartedly
RE: Sometimes, albeit rarely, a team is fortunate enough to Â
get a very special player who performs at a high level immediately. It usually seems to happen to other teams i.e. Bo, Dickerson, Sanders, Pederson et al..For us, the last IMMEDIATE success at a superstar level was of course LT in ‘81.
Yes, it’s possible, that 37 years later we actually got that “from the get-go” super performer. TBD of course, but I am embracing that tantalizing and rare opportunity to experience this wholeheartedly
I think it's been slightly more recent than that. Unless you don't consider 91 receptions for 1305 yards and 12 TDs to be a "super performer."
RE: RE: Sometimes, albeit rarely, a team is fortunate enough to Â
get a very special player who performs at a high level immediately. It usually seems to happen to other teams i.e. Bo, Dickerson, Sanders, Pederson et al..For us, the last IMMEDIATE success at a superstar level was of course LT in ‘81.
Yes, it’s possible, that 37 years later we actually got that “from the get-go” super performer. TBD of course, but I am embracing that tantalizing and rare opportunity to experience this wholeheartedly
I think it's been slightly more recent than that. Unless you don't consider 91 receptions for 1305 yards and 12 TDs to be a "super performer."
Pressure and attention for a young player can impact them. It's silly to ignore it -- hopefully Barkley proves to be the anomaly. He'll need to be, because in this day of constant contact and media, every bad day he has on the field will be met with a flurry of hand of God memes and headlines.
If Manning's play looks like last year and the rookies look sharp, Barkley is going to shoulder a little bit of that as well.
It's not fair or reasonable, but it's likely. Wanting to tone down the hyperbole isn't a bitter vendetta from those who wanted a QB, it's just practical. Read basically any account from a bust and the expectations from the media, management and fans will be in there.
If you look at it that way, what you're saying is don't draft a guy unless he's can't miss, and there's no such thing as can't miss. We have years of documented proof that "can't miss" drafted players miss all the time. Fans play the hindsight game all the time in the draft, but many players that went high and failed were sold as can't miss at the time.
Sanders College Career: 30 games; 3556 yards rushing; 164 yards receiving; 3720 yards scrimmage; 49 TDs
Barkley College Career: 38 games; 3843 yards rushing; 1195 yards receiving; 5038 yards scrimmage; 51 TDs
Sanders Final Year: 11 games; 2628 yards rushing; 106 yards receiving; 2734 yards scrimmage; 37 TDs
Barkley Final Year: 13 games; 1271 yards rushing; 632 yards receiving; 1903 yards scrimmage; 21 TDs
That's right - good clarification. Sanders played behind Thurman Thomas his first two years.
Not bad recruiting by Jimmy Johnson - huh? ;)
And that's funny, you add in Barkley's receiving yards, and exclude Sanders' receiving yards, it's still laughably far apart...
Barkley is/was a much better receiver than Sanders coming out.
Attempts, completions, passing yards, total yards, TD's (passing only), TD's (total), and passer rating.
Why did he fall all the way to the ninth round? Because he was considered too short to be successful in the NFL, for starters.
When discussing grades don't be fooled into thinking that college productivity is all that matters. Grades incorporate a ton of things, including production, athleticism, football IQ, leadership ability, marketability, general intelligence, citizenship, attitude, effort, consistency, etc.
We have now heard at least two professionals say that he's received historically high grades. Does that mean he won't bust? Of course not. It just means that a lot of pros understand why he was selected so high. Every player has bust potential.
Not to mention that Barkley received top notch grades for his work ethic and character (don't know how Sanders was viewed in these cats coming out).
Barkley is/was a much better receiver than Sanders coming out.
You don't know that because Oak State wasn't a throwing team. And, of course, the eras are different.
Giving someone with Eli's ability to read and our other weapons a yard of time and space by tilting the scale towards the defense one further step back and one further step spread and one more half a second to read...can have enormous impact and few stats
IMO, that is how I think his skills will be utilized and how he will measure in the future. The only thing that he will care about is the number of Super Bowls he wins. That is the ultimate goal. I don't thinks SB cares about stats.
Barkley is/was a much better receiver than Sanders coming out.
And I meant I was just taking Sanders' rushing yards versus Barkley's total yards. And that difference is still unbelievable, and in less games...
And yet, that's what this is all about since Barkley is supposedly the bestest RB ever.
Sanders in no rush for glory - ( New Window )
But then when others start reminding these members of what other great skill players did the move is "oh, well, it's too hard to compare eras. So let's trying to..."
I mentioned higher up in this thread that Randy Moss was a better skilled player in college than Barkley. He was from outer space:
96 catches, 1,820 yards, 19 ypc, 26 TDs.
And what's with the threats? I've read stuff like "he'd better get at least 1200 yds rushing and 800 yds receiving with 12 TD's...". What's up with that?
I'm not in psychology, but I would love to hear what a true psychologist would say about the things said in these scenarios. My own pop-psychology would say we have some stubborn people, some angry people, some delusional people, and others. It seems like the balance of irrational to rational reactions is decidedly tipped in the wrong direction, but perhaps that's because rational people don't get too involved in this stuff. Maybe that's the fanatical part of being a fan coming out in us.
Well, if that's true, then we should see something truly extraordinary from him, no?
Most are in that last sentence category. It's this instant canonization by quite a few.
And when your GM comes out saying a player has been "touched by the hand of God, well, it does start a fire.
Personally, I think that reflects very poorly on Gettleman, and I hope Barkley doesn't feel too much pressure and tries to hard...
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I didn't exclude Sanders' receiving yards...
Barkley is/was a much better receiver than Sanders coming out.
You don't know that because Oak State wasn't a throwing team. And, of course, the eras are different.
Even if you want to assume that, Barkley almost certainly still had a higher receiving grade since he had demonstrated his receiving ability and therefore its not unreasonable to think his overall grade as a RB (combining rushing, receiving, intangibles, etc) was higher.
Even if you want to assume that, Barkley almost certainly still had a higher receiving grade since he had demonstrated his receiving ability and therefore its not unreasonable to think his overall grade as a RB (combining rushing, receiving, intangibles, etc) was higher.
I hear you.
Just a quick compare and contrast, I'd say this:
Better runner: Sanders +
Better receiver: Barkley
Intangibles: dead even
Special teams: Sanders -
Ty Wheatley and Ron Dayne and David Wilson memories don't die.
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when you say "1600 yards less" I assume you are talking about their JR seasons only? And only rushing? Because otherwise there's nothing close to that:
Sanders College Career: 30 games; 3556 yards rushing; 164 yards receiving; 3720 yards scrimmage; 49 TDs
Barkley College Career: 38 games; 3843 yards rushing; 1195 yards receiving; 5038 yards scrimmage; 51 TDs
Sanders Final Year: 11 games; 2628 yards rushing; 106 yards receiving; 2734 yards scrimmage; 37 TDs
Barkley Final Year: 13 games; 1271 yards rushing; 632 yards receiving; 1903 yards scrimmage; 21 TDs
That's right - good clarification. Sanders played behind Thurman Thomas his first two years.
Not bad recruiting by Jimmy Johnson - huh? ;)
And that's funny, you add in Barkley's receiving yards, and exclude Sanders' receiving yards, it's still laughably far apart...
Ron D*yne - 1999 12 games 337 att 2,034 yds 6.0 ypc 20 TD
Ty Wheatley and Ron Dayne and David Wilson memories don't die.
Just because the Giants have made bad RB picks in the past doesn't mean that Barkley will be a bust.
If he stays healthy he'll be an All-Pro.
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Even if you want to assume that, Barkley almost certainly still had a higher receiving grade since he had demonstrated his receiving ability and therefore its not unreasonable to think his overall grade as a RB (combining rushing, receiving, intangibles, etc) was higher.
I hear you.
Just a quick compare and contrast, I'd say this:
Better runner: Sanders +
Better receiver: Barkley
Intangibles: dead even
Special teams: Sanders -
Sanders caught 350 passes in his career for near 3000 yards in a different era. I don't think you can so breezily assume Sanders is not an equal as a receiver.
Well, that certainly helps knowing that now. But I’m trying to be fair from a standpoint of what I saw in Sanders at Oak St, and in conjunction with his receiving stats then...
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cringing at the expectations and hype already.
Ty Wheatley and Ron Dayne and David Wilson memories don't die.
Just because the Giants have made bad RB picks in the past doesn't mean that Barkley will be a bust.
If he stays healthy he'll be an All-Pro.
That's a BIG if in the life of an NFL RB
Ron D*yne - 1999 12 games 337 att 2,034 yds 6.0 ypc 20 TD
You're kidding, right?
Way different type runner, and clearly less talented from a speed, quickness, cutting, agility, etc standpoint.
So it's not a rational suggestion. He wasn't even the best RB prospect in his draft class.
Well, if that's true, then we should see something truly extraordinary from him, no?
You have taken a very weird stance on Barkley simply because you didn’t want a RB. Now you will hate him for the rest of time. We all know how stubborn you are in your pursuit to be “right”. I agree with most of your posts, you’re a bright guy but you sure dig in when you’re set on something.
The obsession that the anti RB crowd has with innocent comments made by Gettleman are absolutely hysterical. Had they drafted the QB all of you wanted and he said the same thing you’d all say “yeah, that’s what I’m talkin about! That’s conviction!”. But he said it about a player you didn’t want so now Barkley has to be the best RB ever on the planet or else! I’m not sure what the or else exactly means though. Or else what?
The obsession that the anti RB crowd has with innocent comments made by Gettleman are absolutely hysterical. Had they drafted the QB all of you wanted and he said the same thing you’d all say “yeah, that’s what I’m talkin about! That’s conviction!”. But he said it about a player you didn’t want so now Barkley has to be the best RB ever on the planet or else! I’m not sure what the or else exactly means though. Or else what?
Innocent comments are: "we think he has great upside...", "We are excited to have added such a wonderful talent...", "Barkley is going to bring many dimensions to our offense...", "Saquon has the type of character we look for...", etc, etc.
Instead, we got something so off the wall from Gettleman - "he's been touched by the hand of God" - that this kid is now under tremendous pressure to instantly produce at a pro bowl level. Gettleman has laid down the gauntlet with this pick and his idea of what a high pick should be. Not those of us who take a more reasonable, measured approach...
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The obsession that the anti RB crowd has with innocent comments made by Gettleman are absolutely hysterical. Had they drafted the QB all of you wanted and he said the same thing you’d all say “yeah, that’s what I’m talkin about! That’s conviction!”. But he said it about a player you didn’t want so now Barkley has to be the best RB ever on the planet or else! I’m not sure what the or else exactly means though. Or else what?
Innocent comments are: "we think he has great upside...", "We are excited to have added such a wonderful talent...", "Barkley is going to bring many dimensions to our offense...", "Saquon has the type of character we look for...", etc, etc.
Instead, we got something so off the wall from Gettleman - "he's been touched by the hand of God" - that this kid is now under tremendous pressure to instantly produce at a pro bowl level. Gettleman has laid down the gauntlet with this pick and his idea of what a high pick should be. Not those of us who take a more reasonable, measured approach...
Good lord. Gettleman comments are only as harmful as you allow them to be. Guy said like YOU are making this a huge deal. Because you didn’t want Barkley. When you start to pick apart every little statement that a GM makes that just took a guy in the first round, you’re looking for a reason to be outraged. Give it a rest. Touched by the hand of God. You really give a shit that he said this? Your priorities are all kind of messed up. A GM using hyperbole has your panties all in a bunch becayou are looking for a reason to hate the player that you didn’t want. And that says MUCH more about you tha. It does the GM. It’s embarassing that fans are already ready to pounce on a guy that by all accounts is a fantastic human being. Sometimes I’m ashamed to be a Giants fan and it has nothing to do with the team. The fans fucking suck. Only in NY would this even be an issue. Freakin clown show fans. Let’s just be outraged!
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
Who has the pitchforks out? You seem to confuse having tempered expectations for a rookie about to join an awful team, with an unproven line, in a brand new system with pitchforks.
There's plenty chance Barkley just won't be that good off the bat. Lots of rookies aren't. Lots of high picks bust.
You jump down everyone's throat on every thread. What are your expectations of him?
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The obsession that the anti RB crowd has with innocent comments made by Gettleman are absolutely hysterical. Had they drafted the QB all of you wanted and he said the same thing you’d all say “yeah, that’s what I’m talkin about! That’s conviction!”. But he said it about a player you didn’t want so now Barkley has to be the best RB ever on the planet or else! I’m not sure what the or else exactly means though. Or else what?
Innocent comments are: "we think he has great upside...", "We are excited to have added such a wonderful talent...", "Barkley is going to bring many dimensions to our offense...", "Saquon has the type of character we look for...", etc, etc.
Instead, we got something so off the wall from Gettleman - "he's been touched by the hand of God" - that this kid is now under tremendous pressure to instantly produce at a pro bowl level. Gettleman has laid down the gauntlet with this pick and his idea of what a high pick should be. Not those of us who take a more reasonable, measured approach...
Its not off the wall...just colorful.
Take it easy.
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
easy does it..this guy isn't pouncing, just going a bit further than you want.
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Those like you taking a more reasonable, measured approach. You have got to be kidding me. You have the pitchforks out and are ready to pounce if Barkley doesn’t end up in the HOF because of some comments made by the GM about the player he loves, That’s measured and reasonable?
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
Who has the pitchforks out? You seem to confuse having tempered expectations for a rookie about to join an awful team, with an unproven line, in a brand new system with pitchforks.
There's plenty chance Barkley just won't be that good off the bat. Lots of rookies aren't. Lots of high picks bust.
You jump down everyone's throat on every thread. What are your expectations of him?
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit I see. I have tempered expectations for him. THATS MY POINT! Certain posters on this board are taking random comments the GM made and using it as a prop to suggest that Barkley had better run for 2500 yards in his first yearto back up the GM comments. I’m actdefending Barkley here. Not because I think he’s going to the HOF. But because others DO expect that now. Based on a stupid hand of God comment by the GM. Anything else and he’s a failure in their book. Not sure how the hell you came up with it being me that expects him to break records, I never said that anywhere.
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In comment 13974612 BigBlueShock said:
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Those like you taking a more reasonable, measured approach. You have got to be kidding me. You have the pitchforks out and are ready to pounce if Barkley doesn’t end up in the HOF because of some comments made by the GM about the player he loves, That’s measured and reasonable?
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
Who has the pitchforks out? You seem to confuse having tempered expectations for a rookie about to join an awful team, with an unproven line, in a brand new system with pitchforks.
There's plenty chance Barkley just won't be that good off the bat. Lots of rookies aren't. Lots of high picks bust.
You jump down everyone's throat on every thread. What are your expectations of him?
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit I see. I have tempered expectations for him. THATS MY POINT! Certain posters on this board are taking random comments the GM made and using it as a prop to suggest that Barkley had better run for 2500 yards in his first yearto back up the GM comments. I’m actdefending Barkley here. Not because I think he’s going to the HOF. But because others DO expect that now. Based on a stupid hand of God comment by the GM. Anything else and he’s a failure in their book. Not sure how the hell you came up with it being me that expects him to break records, I never said that anywhere.
Who's expecting that? What do expect from him?
It’s down right asinine! Because you didn’t want the player. That’s the bottom line. You’d rather be “right” than support the decision and have an ounce of patience and rationality. Pathetic.
Well, that was an interesting read.
I’ve been a PSU fan for 30+ years, so if anybody is a fan of Barkley, and hopes he kills it, it’s me.
My position has been clear for months - I didn’t think the best use of the #2 pick was selecting a RB. So I think the draft was mismanaged.
This may be the most pivotal pick in the history of the organization. So I’m going to criticize the pick, particularly when it was a very good class of QBs when we have an ancient one.
And yes - I’m going to point out Gettlemen’s dumb ass remark. And mainly because it was a dumb ass remark.
Taking a ‘good’ QB at #2 can put you in QB hell.
There’s a much greater chance one or more of Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold and Allen bust than that Barkley busts.
Taking a ‘good’ QB at #2 can put you in QB hell.
There’s a much greater chance one or more of Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold and Allen bust than that Barkley busts.
We took a “good” QB in the 4th round.
We missed a great opportunity to take a great QB in the first round.
Barkley may have been the best RB in the draft but I refuse to believe he’s a better football player than Minkah Fitzpatrick or Derwin James. Those guys are tremendous game changing prospects.
Refusing to believe has been the concept that significantly derails discussion.
Oddly, many people fully embrace that the QB's drafted below Barkley will be something special.
Strange dynamics.
Yes, it’s possible, that 37 years later we actually got that “from the get-go” super performer. TBD of course, but I am embracing that tantalizing and rare opportunity to experience this wholeheartedly
Yes, it’s possible, that 37 years later we actually got that “from the get-go” super performer. TBD of course, but I am embracing that tantalizing and rare opportunity to experience this wholeheartedly
I think it's been slightly more recent than that. Unless you don't consider 91 receptions for 1305 yards and 12 TDs to be a "super performer."
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get a very special player who performs at a high level immediately. It usually seems to happen to other teams i.e. Bo, Dickerson, Sanders, Pederson et al..For us, the last IMMEDIATE success at a superstar level was of course LT in ‘81.
Yes, it’s possible, that 37 years later we actually got that “from the get-go” super performer. TBD of course, but I am embracing that tantalizing and rare opportunity to experience this wholeheartedly
I think it's been slightly more recent than that. Unless you don't consider 91 receptions for 1305 yards and 12 TDs to be a "super performer."
Oh shit. Of course..
Barkley is/was a much better receiver than Sanders coming out.
Type of offenses changed. The running back has become a heavier part of the passing offense.
If Manning's play looks like last year and the rookies look sharp, Barkley is going to shoulder a little bit of that as well.
It's not fair or reasonable, but it's likely. Wanting to tone down the hyperbole isn't a bitter vendetta from those who wanted a QB, it's just practical. Read basically any account from a bust and the expectations from the media, management and fans will be in there.
Taking a ‘good’ QB at #2 can put you in QB hell.
If you look at it that way, what you're saying is don't draft a guy unless he's can't miss, and there's no such thing as can't miss. We have years of documented proof that "can't miss" drafted players miss all the time. Fans play the hindsight game all the time in the draft, but many players that went high and failed were sold as can't miss at the time.
Is that language too direct for you "safe space" fans?