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ESPN: Who is next in line for the Giants behind Eli Manning?

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/24/2018 8:11 am
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Manning and Webb have welcomed Lauletta with open arms. Manning reached out to the rookie after the draft and Webb said he plans to golf with Lauletta this weekend. Lauletta would’ve joined Webb and Tanney on the course this past weekend if he hadn't been in Los Angeles attending the NFLPA Rookie Premiere.

No matter the off-the-field bond, there always will be comparisons between Webb and Lauletta, even if they are very different quarterbacks. Webb is the confident, big-armed workaholic.

Lauletta is the tough, cerebral, instinctive rookie absorbing the basic fundamentals of being an NFL quarterback. His biggest advantage may be that he was drafted by the new regime consisting of coach Pat Shurmur and Gettleman. Webb was the selection of former coach Ben McAdoo and general manager Jerry Reese.

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The coaches will figure it out  
CT Charlie : 5/24/2018 9:40 am : link
a lot sooner than BBI. Which won't necessarily be soon.
I'll give PS and DG this...  
Dnew15 : 5/24/2018 9:42 am : link
at least they added depth to the QB position that can be developed and gives the team some hope...wasting a roster spot on a vet QB like Geno Smith is completely stupid at this point.
RE: While preseason might be exciting for the reasons listed  
gmen9892 : 5/24/2018 9:42 am : link
In comment 13973918 Tim in VA said:
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I expect our lack of depth to lead to some really disgusting play for the last 3 quarters of each game


Personally, even though this OL is not what it will ultimately need to be, I think it has the most depth it has had in years. Same for the defensive front 7. Now the secondary depth and WR depth, those are issues.
RE: What if the heir apparent to Eli Manning...  
JCin332 : 5/24/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 13973920 Milton said:
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...is Eli Manning? How well do Eli and the Giants have to do for Eli to justify a contract extension? If Eli plays out his contract without missing a start, they will either have to extend him or turn the keys over to a QB with only preseason game experience.


OMG if he got extended it would create the biggest BBI meltdown in the sites history...

Place would probably spontaneously combust...!!!
Can’t Ignore This  
Samiam : 5/24/2018 10:12 am : link
Webb has a year in the NFL under his belt. He’s spent a year with the big boys even if he didn’t suit up. He spent a year looking at film and working with Eli. Lauletta has none of this & doesn’t come from a major program either and there are questions about his arm strength and they play on the Meadowlands. For sure, Webbis ahead and much of this write up is meaningless in terms of who drafted who for now
Not sure fans want to hear this or accept it  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2018 10:14 am : link
but the odds are the next Giants QB (who will be successful) is not on the roster yet.
RE: Not sure fans want to hear this or accept it  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2018 10:16 am : link
In comment 13974010 pjcas18 said:
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but the odds are the next Giants QB (who will be successful) is not on the roster yet.


now that I read the thread, I see some others (the_boss for one) also have this opinion.
Nobody thinks  
Pete in MD : 5/24/2018 10:17 am : link
Shurmur can turn Alex Tanney into the next Case Keenum? :-)
I think  
Gman11 : 5/24/2018 12:12 pm : link
the fact that Webb was drafted by somebody else is a stupid way of looking at it. If he's good enough to play what does it matter who drafted him?

Shurmur didn't draft Eli either. So, is he going to be benched because of it?
RE: Not sure fans want to hear this or accept it  
BigBlueShock : 5/24/2018 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13974010 pjcas18 said:
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but the odds are the next Giants QB (who will be successful) is not on the roster yet.

I don’t know a single fan that isn’t open to that outcome. But if that guy isn’t on the team now, should we not discuss the in house options at all? Just ignore them and have a bunch of threads on possible outside replacements?
McAdoo wanted Mahomes  
JonC : 5/24/2018 12:17 pm : link
Webb was probably a consolation to him, agree Lauletta probably has an edge in a close competition due to being the new regime's draft pick.
RE: What if the heir apparent to Eli Manning...  
Default : 5/24/2018 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13973920 Milton said:
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...is Eli Manning? How well do Eli and the Giants have to do for Eli to justify a contract extension? If Eli plays out his contract without missing a start, they will either have to extend him or turn the keys over to a QB with only preseason game experience.


I am still awaiting his apology extension his biggest supporter here thought he would get.
McAdoo pushed for Webb  
bluepepper : 5/24/2018 12:24 pm : link
from the accounts we heard and makes sense that the GM wouldn't spend a 3rd rounder on a QB unless the HC/former OC/former QB coach liked him.

If Webb turns into a franchise QB (unlikely IMO) then yes, give McAdoo some credit for that rather than act like a child and pretend he had nothing to do with it.
RE: I Know It's Just Typical BS Responses To Reporter's Questions...  
steve in ky : 5/24/2018 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13973856 Jim in Tampa said:
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But why do GMs and HCs use the phrase "follows him around like a puppy dog" when referring to a rookie and an established vet.

Webb and Eli were (at the time) the only two QBs on the roster and they were participating in a team practice. Who was Webb supposed to hang out with...the punter?

The other thing I don't get is when a player (in this case Lauletta) claims that he's not in competition with another player (like Webb) and that he thinks Webb feels the same way.

Really???

Actually you ARE in competition with other players, whether for a starting job, backup QB or to just make the team. No one is suggesting that you can't be friends or hang out off the field, but it is a competition, whether you admit it or not.

Just once I'd like to hear a player say something like...

"I'll root for all the Giants QBs to play well, but my goal is to compete and win the backup position this year and eventually succeed Eli as the next starting QB for the NY Giants."


IMO This recent quote from Webb is along those lines:

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"My job is to put as much pressure on the coaches that they feel like they have to play me," Webb added. "Obviously we have Eli so it's a little different, but that's my goal: make them feel like if something were to happen or if I have to go in and play, there would be no drop-off. It would only be (me as) the younger guy who'd be a little more antsy."

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I am thinking that the Giants might not have him on the roster yet  
short lease : 5/24/2018 12:43 pm : link
When did Phil Simms retire '91? When did we draft Manning '04? That is 13 seasons ... sometimes it takes a while to find a franchise QB.

I hope it is not that long this time.
If the Giants are going to continue with the franchise QB model,  
Go Terps : 5/24/2018 1:02 pm : link
the odds are it's going to be a while before the next guy comes along. That's what was galling about this past draft for some of us.
Simms' final season  
JonC : 5/24/2018 1:02 pm : link
was '93, same as LT.
Eli is hitting his prime  
dep026 : 5/24/2018 1:07 pm : link
no worries about a replacement yet. Eli will be the most fit 42 year old Shurmur has ever seen :)
RE: Simms' final season  
short lease : 5/24/2018 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13974137 JonC said:
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was '93, same as LT.


Okay .. 11 seasons. It felt like 13 to me.
RE: If Webb pans out..  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/24/2018 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13973842 Sean said:
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that would give Reese/McAdoo some vindication.

For starting Geno Smith and losing to the Raiders?
RE: I am thinking that the Giants might not have him on the roster yet  
ron mexico : 5/24/2018 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13974122 short lease said:
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When did Phil Simms retire '91? When did we draft Manning '04? That is 13 seasons ... sometimes it takes a while to find a franchise QB.

I hope it is not that long this time.


Does the name Kerry Collins ring a bell at all?
RE: If Webb pans out..  
djstat : 5/24/2018 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13973842 Sean said:
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that would give Reese/McAdoo some vindication.
No it would not. It means they hit one draft pick well. Vindication? NO
RE: While preseason might be exciting for the reasons listed  
Jimmy Googs : 5/24/2018 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13973918 Tim in VA said:
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I expect our lack of depth to lead to some really disgusting play for the last 3 quarters of each game


Over the past decade, the 1st quarter of our preseason games have been fairly disgusting as well.

just sayin'...
You have to hope,  
Doomster : 5/24/2018 1:41 pm : link
they are better than guys named Smith and Johnson...
If Webb proves to be teams next successful QB  
steve in ky : 5/24/2018 1:43 pm : link
Reese should get credit for drafting him. But Shurmer not McAdoo would get credit as coach for developing him to that level.
RE: Eli is hitting his prime  
Jimmy Googs : 5/24/2018 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13974140 dep026 said:
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no worries about a replacement yet. Eli will be the most fit 42 year old Shurmur has ever seen :)


hmph...
RE: RE: Eli is hitting his prime  
dep026 : 5/24/2018 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13974179 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 13974140 dep026 said:


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no worries about a replacement yet. Eli will be the most fit 42 year old Shurmur has ever seen :)



hmph...


I knew you would like that. But even I think you could tell I wasnt serious.... I hope.
I used to wonder  
Jimmy Googs : 5/24/2018 1:52 pm : link
but i saw the sign :-)
Glad Eli is looking sharp  
Jimmy Googs : 5/24/2018 1:54 pm : link
just NO THROWING OVER THE MIDDLE OR RUNNING FOR MORE THAN 5 YARDS PLEASE!
RE: If the Giants are going to continue with the franchise QB model,  
dorgan : 5/24/2018 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13974136 Go Terps said:
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the odds are it's going to be a while before the next guy comes along. That's what was galling about this past draft for some of us.


Terps, you're a good guy and you seem to know a bit about the game but it would be a pretty short list if you wrote down all the things that don't gall you.

RE: RE: If the Giants are going to continue with the franchise QB model,  
Go Terps : 5/24/2018 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13974200 dorgan said:
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In comment 13974136 Go Terps said:


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the odds are it's going to be a while before the next guy comes along. That's what was galling about this past draft for some of us.



Terps, you're a good guy and you seem to know a bit about the game but it would be a pretty short list if you wrote down all the things that don't gall you.


Can't disagree with you - 6 years of lousy football have taken their toll.
I feel like we've wasted a lot of Eli Manning, and it burns me up  
Go Terps : 5/24/2018 2:03 pm : link
We've been so, so lucky to have arguably our best QB ever for every game in an era dominated by passing. In that way we've had a huge advantage over our division opponents...but we've only one the NFC East 3 times in 14 years with Eli.

I have never been more frustrated with the Giants than I am now. This is worse than the '90s.
Ugh won not one  
Go Terps : 5/24/2018 2:03 pm : link
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TBD....  
Ed A. : 5/24/2018 2:05 pm : link
During the next two years they will be competing. We will see who is the best choice. Don't sleep on Lauletta watch the fourth quarter of the Senior bowl and you will see why.
Read an article from USA Today  
Beer Man : 5/24/2018 2:25 pm : link
Which was making the point that PS will be bringing back the vertical passing game, and how that plays into Eli's strengths. Of course the vertical game requires an O-line that can actually pass block.
Not realistic  
hassan : 5/24/2018 2:52 pm : link
that Eli will get anything more than a two year extension if everything goes great. A pretty big if.

If he plays badly for a string and NYG are out of contention we will see if one of these qbs can be the true heir or more likely a stopgap.
RE: I feel like we've wasted a lot of Eli Manning, and it burns me up  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/24/2018 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13974214 Go Terps said:
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We've been so, so lucky to have arguably our best QB ever for every game in an era dominated by passing. In that way we've had a huge advantage over our division opponents...but we've only one the NFC East 3 times in 14 years with Eli.

I have never been more frustrated with the Giants than I am now. This is worse than the '90s.

Atlanta goes flying up the draft board to ensure they give their top pick, and what a pocket passer absolutely needs, a true X receiver. We stick Eli with Slick Big Suit.
RE: I feel like we've wasted a lot of Eli Manning, and it burns me up  
bw in dc : 5/24/2018 4:59 pm : link
In comment 13974214 Go Terps said:
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I have never been more frustrated with the Giants than I am now. This is worse than the '90s.


Kent Graham, Danny Kannel, Dave Brown, Kerry Collins.

So you may want to revisit that statement...
bw  
Go Terps : 5/24/2018 6:13 pm : link
I'm not so sure about that. From '91 to '96 our record was 45-51. From '12 to '17 it's 42-54. There were some excuses in the '90s...moving on from Parcells/Simms proved very difficult, we had a tough time with the introduction of the salary cap, and Dallas had a dynasty going.

What's our excuse now? The best QB in franchise history has been healthy this whole time. There's been no dynasty in our division (actually Dallas and especially Washington have flirted with outright incompetence at times). We've got the most talented WR we've ever had. We had a huge amount of cap space following the '15 season.

I'm 39 years old, so I missed the horrors of the '70s and I respect the fans that lived through that and came out the other side. But for me and my generation being a Giant fan has never been a worse experience IMO.
Webb  
mdc1 : 5/24/2018 6:15 pm : link
Reese Pick
RE: bw  
bw in dc : 5/24/2018 6:59 pm : link
In comment 13974436 Go Terps said:
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I'm not so sure about that. From '91 to '96 our record was 45-51. From '12 to '17 it's 42-54. There were some excuses in the '90s...moving on from Parcells/Simms proved very difficult, we had a tough time with the introduction of the salary cap, and Dallas had a dynasty going.

What's our excuse now? The best QB in franchise history has been healthy this whole time. There's been no dynasty in our division (actually Dallas and especially Washington have flirted with outright incompetence at times). We've got the most talented WR we've ever had. We had a huge amount of cap space following the '15 season.

I'm 39 years old, so I missed the horrors of the '70s and I respect the fans that lived through that and came out the other side. But for me and my generation being a Giant fan has never been a worse experience IMO.


But at least there is hope because we have skilled players on the offense. Plus, the rules are designed to exploit so many more parts of the field.

And with some personnel and cap dexterity, there is a much quicker route to success.

Back then, it was like being water-boarded watching the offense try to (1) transition from Parcells power football era, (2) transition from Simms/Hoss (starting with the horrific DBrown) and (3) dealing with Reeves' finesse ass/Denver offense. Don't underestimate, btw, that pain incurred moving to the cap model. Jints Central really struggled adjusting with that. GY wa way over his head. It was like definitely like we were playing checker and the good teams were playing chess. Very embarrassing at times...

Just go back and look through those years for nearly all the '90s, I don't think we broke 20 passing TDs in a season.

I'm in my 40s, so I'm a bit older. So I really felt the weight of those times, especially coming out of Camelot Era under Parcells...the best period ever for Giants football.
Alex Tanney is the future  
sober297 : 5/24/2018 9:09 pm : link
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RE: Eli is hitting his prime  
giantstock : 5/25/2018 1:42 am : link
In comment 13974140 dep026 said:
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no worries about a replacement yet. Eli will be the most fit 42 year old Shurmur has ever seen :)


Which state do you live in that legalized pot? I want to go to the store you're getting yours from.
The temporary heir to Manning will be the best man available to do  
wgenesis123 : 5/25/2018 2:33 am : link
the job in Shurmur's opinion. If one had to be cut and everything else was considered fairly equal, than Webb is in trouble but I can't see that happening this year. The Giants will keep 3 QB's.
Webb and Lauletta  
Vanzetti : 5/25/2018 2:02 pm : link
will probably be a Kent Graham and Danny Kanell duo for a few years until Giants tank and draft whatever QB is coming up the pike.

To be honest, I think after Eli retires, Giants will experience another 1990s type decade. Not easy to find a franchise QB. And fans will finally appreciate Eli the way he deserves.
RE: Webb and Lauletta  
bw in dc : 5/25/2018 3:43 pm : link
In comment 13975303 Vanzetti said:
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To be honest, I think after Eli retires, Giants will experience another 1990s type decade. Not easy to find a franchise QB. And fans will finally appreciate Eli the way he deserves.


That is the great fear. And why the decision to go RB at #2 was a helluva call when you have so much QB potential starring you in the eye. Potential that you could have groomed behind Eli for a year or two, and then handed off the baton.
They figure to lean heavily on Shurmur  
JonC : 5/25/2018 3:49 pm : link
and his ability to develop QBs and build offenses to the strengths and weaknesses of his personnel, and he apparently holds Lauletta in high regard.

If they build the defense, OL, and provide the QB with weapons it's still a recipe for success as we've seen in recent seasons.
RE: They figure to lean heavily on Shurmur  
bw in dc : 5/25/2018 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13975407 JonC said:
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and his ability to develop QBs and build offenses to the strengths and weaknesses of his personnel, and he apparently holds Lauletta in high regard.

If they build the defense, OL, and provide the QB with weapons it's still a recipe for success as we've seen in recent seasons.


The Shurmur hire was a winner for me. Took me a while to warm up to him, but that was the best off-season move by Mara to fill that gaping hole at Jints Central.

I think he acts like a GM more than Gettleman. In some of those interviews and clips where he's been paired with Gettleman, Shurmur sounds like the poised grown up while Gettleman sounds like the goofy uncle at the family reunion.

But this "success...we've seen in recent seasons" you cite is limited in my book - I'm assuming you mean with less heralded franchise QBs.

Last year was a complete aberration in my book.

If Wentz doesn't get hurt, I think the Eagles still get to where they got with Foles - the SB. They were solid favorites having home field.

And let's face it, if it weren't for the boneheaded play by Marcus Williams, Brees and the Saints are in the NFC championship game...

So your F4 would have been Brees v Wentz and Brady v Bortles. Three household names with great quality and a former high pick still trying to live up to the high pre-draft expectations.

In the end, you still need that special player pulling the trigger.
RE: RE: They figure to lean heavily on Shurmur  
SGMen : 5/26/2018 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13975422 bw in dc said:
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and his ability to develop QBs and build offenses to the strengths and weaknesses of his personnel, and he apparently holds Lauletta in high regard.

If they build the defense, OL, and provide the QB with weapons it's still a recipe for success as we've seen in recent seasons.



The Shurmur hire was a winner for me. Took me a while to warm up to him, but that was the best off-season move by Mara to fill that gaping hole at Jints Central.

I think he acts like a GM more than Gettleman. In some of those interviews and clips where he's been paired with Gettleman, Shurmur sounds like the poised grown up while Gettleman sounds like the goofy uncle at the family reunion.

But this "success...we've seen in recent seasons" you cite is limited in my book - I'm assuming you mean with less heralded franchise QBs.

Last year was a complete aberration in my book.

If Wentz doesn't get hurt, I think the Eagles still get to where they got with Foles - the SB. They were solid favorites having home field.

And let's face it, if it weren't for the boneheaded play by Marcus Williams, Brees and the Saints are in the NFC championship game...

So your F4 would have been Brees v Wentz and Brady v Bortles. Three household names with great quality and a former high pick still trying to live up to the high pre-draft expectations.

In the end, you still need that special player pulling the trigger.
agreed. The question is can Eli put together one more special season?
RE: RE: I am thinking that the Giants might not have him on the roster yet  
short lease : 5/28/2018 12:06 am : link
In comment 13974160 ron mexico said:
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When did Phil Simms retire '91? When did we draft Manning '04? That is 13 seasons ... sometimes it takes a while to find a franchise QB.

I hope it is not that long this time.



Does the name Kerry Collins ring a bell at all?


Ron - do you really consider Kerry Collins as an ex-franchise QB for the Giants? He played on 6 teams in his career. 5 seasons were with the Giants and he did have some productive years with us but, when people mention "franchise QB's" I am thinking of guys who were drafted by a team and then spend their whole career with that team. Unless it is a guy like Favre who was drafted by the Falcons and traded to GB after his first year.

Or, Joe Montana - played his last 2(?) years with the Chiefs. I don't think anybody would say (I could be wrong) Joe Montana was the Chiefs franchise QB?


Collins was a gifted journeyman ... ?

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