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Manning and Webb have welcomed Lauletta with open arms. Manning reached out to the rookie after the draft and Webb said he plans to golf with Lauletta this weekend. Lauletta would’ve joined Webb and Tanney on the course this past weekend if he hadn't been in Los Angeles attending the NFLPA Rookie Premiere. No matter the off-the-field bond, there always will be comparisons between Webb and Lauletta, even if they are very different quarterbacks. Webb is the confident, big-armed workaholic. Lauletta is the tough, cerebral, instinctive rookie absorbing the basic fundamentals of being an NFL quarterback. His biggest advantage may be that he was drafted by the new regime consisting of coach Pat Shurmur and Gettleman. Webb was the selection of former coach Ben McAdoo and general manager Jerry Reese. |
Personally, even though this OL is not what it will ultimately need to be, I think it has the most depth it has had in years. Same for the defensive front 7. Now the secondary depth and WR depth, those are issues.
OMG if he got extended it would create the biggest BBI meltdown in the sites history...
Place would probably spontaneously combust...!!!
now that I read the thread, I see some others (the_boss for one) also have this opinion.
Shurmur didn't draft Eli either. So, is he going to be benched because of it?
I don’t know a single fan that isn’t open to that outcome. But if that guy isn’t on the team now, should we not discuss the in house options at all? Just ignore them and have a bunch of threads on possible outside replacements?
I am still awaiting his apology extension his biggest supporter here thought he would get.
If Webb turns into a franchise QB (unlikely IMO) then yes, give McAdoo some credit for that rather than act like a child and pretend he had nothing to do with it.
Webb and Eli were (at the time) the only two QBs on the roster and they were participating in a team practice. Who was Webb supposed to hang out with...the punter?
The other thing I don't get is when a player (in this case Lauletta) claims that he's not in competition with another player (like Webb) and that he thinks Webb feels the same way.
Really???
Actually you ARE in competition with other players, whether for a starting job, backup QB or to just make the team. No one is suggesting that you can't be friends or hang out off the field, but it is a competition, whether you admit it or not.
Just once I'd like to hear a player say something like...
"I'll root for all the Giants QBs to play well, but my goal is to compete and win the backup position this year and eventually succeed Eli as the next starting QB for the NY Giants."
IMO This recent quote from Webb is along those lines:
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I hope it is not that long this time.
Okay .. 11 seasons. It felt like 13 to me.
For starting Geno Smith and losing to the Raiders?
I hope it is not that long this time.
Does the name Kerry Collins ring a bell at all?
Over the past decade, the 1st quarter of our preseason games have been fairly disgusting as well.
just sayin'...
hmph...
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no worries about a replacement yet. Eli will be the most fit 42 year old Shurmur has ever seen :)
hmph...
I knew you would like that. But even I think you could tell I wasnt serious.... I hope.
Terps, you're a good guy and you seem to know a bit about the game but it would be a pretty short list if you wrote down all the things that don't gall you.
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the odds are it's going to be a while before the next guy comes along. That's what was galling about this past draft for some of us.
Terps, you're a good guy and you seem to know a bit about the game but it would be a pretty short list if you wrote down all the things that don't gall you.
Can't disagree with you - 6 years of lousy football have taken their toll.
I have never been more frustrated with the Giants than I am now. This is worse than the '90s.
If he plays badly for a string and NYG are out of contention we will see if one of these qbs can be the true heir or more likely a stopgap.
I have never been more frustrated with the Giants than I am now. This is worse than the '90s.
Atlanta goes flying up the draft board to ensure they give their top pick, and what a pocket passer absolutely needs, a true X receiver. We stick Eli with Slick Big Suit.
I have never been more frustrated with the Giants than I am now. This is worse than the '90s.
Kent Graham, Danny Kannel, Dave Brown, Kerry Collins.
So you may want to revisit that statement...
What's our excuse now? The best QB in franchise history has been healthy this whole time. There's been no dynasty in our division (actually Dallas and especially Washington have flirted with outright incompetence at times). We've got the most talented WR we've ever had. We had a huge amount of cap space following the '15 season.
I'm 39 years old, so I missed the horrors of the '70s and I respect the fans that lived through that and came out the other side. But for me and my generation being a Giant fan has never been a worse experience IMO.
What's our excuse now? The best QB in franchise history has been healthy this whole time. There's been no dynasty in our division (actually Dallas and especially Washington have flirted with outright incompetence at times). We've got the most talented WR we've ever had. We had a huge amount of cap space following the '15 season.
I'm 39 years old, so I missed the horrors of the '70s and I respect the fans that lived through that and came out the other side. But for me and my generation being a Giant fan has never been a worse experience IMO.
But at least there is hope because we have skilled players on the offense. Plus, the rules are designed to exploit so many more parts of the field.
And with some personnel and cap dexterity, there is a much quicker route to success.
Back then, it was like being water-boarded watching the offense try to (1) transition from Parcells power football era, (2) transition from Simms/Hoss (starting with the horrific DBrown) and (3) dealing with Reeves' finesse ass/Denver offense. Don't underestimate, btw, that pain incurred moving to the cap model. Jints Central really struggled adjusting with that. GY wa way over his head. It was like definitely like we were playing checker and the good teams were playing chess. Very embarrassing at times...
Just go back and look through those years for nearly all the '90s, I don't think we broke 20 passing TDs in a season.
I'm in my 40s, so I'm a bit older. So I really felt the weight of those times, especially coming out of Camelot Era under Parcells...the best period ever for Giants football.
Which state do you live in that legalized pot? I want to go to the store you're getting yours from.
To be honest, I think after Eli retires, Giants will experience another 1990s type decade. Not easy to find a franchise QB. And fans will finally appreciate Eli the way he deserves.
To be honest, I think after Eli retires, Giants will experience another 1990s type decade. Not easy to find a franchise QB. And fans will finally appreciate Eli the way he deserves.
That is the great fear. And why the decision to go RB at #2 was a helluva call when you have so much QB potential starring you in the eye. Potential that you could have groomed behind Eli for a year or two, and then handed off the baton.
If they build the defense, OL, and provide the QB with weapons it's still a recipe for success as we've seen in recent seasons.
If they build the defense, OL, and provide the QB with weapons it's still a recipe for success as we've seen in recent seasons.
The Shurmur hire was a winner for me. Took me a while to warm up to him, but that was the best off-season move by Mara to fill that gaping hole at Jints Central.
I think he acts like a GM more than Gettleman. In some of those interviews and clips where he's been paired with Gettleman, Shurmur sounds like the poised grown up while Gettleman sounds like the goofy uncle at the family reunion.
But this "success...we've seen in recent seasons" you cite is limited in my book - I'm assuming you mean with less heralded franchise QBs.
Last year was a complete aberration in my book.
If Wentz doesn't get hurt, I think the Eagles still get to where they got with Foles - the SB. They were solid favorites having home field.
And let's face it, if it weren't for the boneheaded play by Marcus Williams, Brees and the Saints are in the NFC championship game...
So your F4 would have been Brees v Wentz and Brady v Bortles. Three household names with great quality and a former high pick still trying to live up to the high pre-draft expectations.
In the end, you still need that special player pulling the trigger.
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and his ability to develop QBs and build offenses to the strengths and weaknesses of his personnel, and he apparently holds Lauletta in high regard.
If they build the defense, OL, and provide the QB with weapons it's still a recipe for success as we've seen in recent seasons.
The Shurmur hire was a winner for me. Took me a while to warm up to him, but that was the best off-season move by Mara to fill that gaping hole at Jints Central.
I think he acts like a GM more than Gettleman. In some of those interviews and clips where he's been paired with Gettleman, Shurmur sounds like the poised grown up while Gettleman sounds like the goofy uncle at the family reunion.
But this "success...we've seen in recent seasons" you cite is limited in my book - I'm assuming you mean with less heralded franchise QBs.
Last year was a complete aberration in my book.
If Wentz doesn't get hurt, I think the Eagles still get to where they got with Foles - the SB. They were solid favorites having home field.
And let's face it, if it weren't for the boneheaded play by Marcus Williams, Brees and the Saints are in the NFC championship game...
So your F4 would have been Brees v Wentz and Brady v Bortles. Three household names with great quality and a former high pick still trying to live up to the high pre-draft expectations.
In the end, you still need that special player pulling the trigger.
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When did Phil Simms retire '91? When did we draft Manning '04? That is 13 seasons ... sometimes it takes a while to find a franchise QB.
I hope it is not that long this time.
Does the name Kerry Collins ring a bell at all?
Ron - do you really consider Kerry Collins as an ex-franchise QB for the Giants? He played on 6 teams in his career. 5 seasons were with the Giants and he did have some productive years with us but, when people mention "franchise QB's" I am thinking of guys who were drafted by a team and then spend their whole career with that team. Unless it is a guy like Favre who was drafted by the Falcons and traded to GB after his first year.
Or, Joe Montana - played his last 2(?) years with the Chiefs. I don't think anybody would say (I could be wrong) Joe Montana was the Chiefs franchise QB?
Collins was a gifted journeyman ... ?