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Fournette led the NFL in % of attempts against 8 man boxes

widmerseyebrow : 5/24/2018 9:29 am
Leonard Fournette - 49%
Jordan Howard - 43%
Mark Ingram - 42%
LeSean McCoy - 36%
Melvin Gordon - 29%
Kareem Hunt - 24%
CJ Anderson - 22%
Le'Veon Bell - 20%
Todd Gurley - 17%

Wonder where SB will be this year.
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Well yeah...  
Dnew15 : 5/24/2018 9:31 am : link
Their other option was let Blake Bortles throw it...
Good stat.  
mittenedman : 5/24/2018 9:33 am : link
I think we'll see Barkley up there this year.

One of my favorite Shurmur stats is he runs 61% of the time on 1st down. Leads the NFL. Then he daggers you with play action. He will not have Eli audibling out of run plays on 1st down because whether they're stopped or not, whether it's against the ideal front or not, he is setting up his play action game.

I do love Fournette though. What a perfect Tom Coughlin RB. I wonder where he'd rank Fred Taylor, Jacobs, Bradshaw and Fournette.
I don't know..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/24/2018 9:35 am : link
if we will see a lot of 8 man boxes.

If teams feel they can handle our OL straight up, they will play to take away the slants and the seam route and hope that they can stop the run with a standard set.

We didn't see a lot of 8 man boxes last year, which in part is what led to decent rushing stats for Gallman and Darkwa.
Not  
mdthedream : 5/24/2018 9:37 am : link
with the receivers we have.
I can't believe  
crackerjack465 : 5/24/2018 9:38 am : link
we passed up Jordan Howard for Paul Perkins.
Unbelievable stat  
BSIMatt : 5/24/2018 9:40 am : link
Disparity between Fournette and Gurley is surprising.

If Barkley sees anywhere near that Eli and Beckham will have a field day.
I wouldn't compare these 2  
Sy'56 : 5/24/2018 9:40 am : link
Barkley's impact on the passing game will be night and day different than what Fournette brings to the table.

I think we only see him carry the ball 15 times per game...but he will have 6-7 passes thrown his way in addition. From the backfield and slot.
RE: Unbelievable stat  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/24/2018 9:42 am : link
In comment 13973937 BSIMatt said:
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Disparity between Fournette and Gurley is surprising.

If Barkley sees anywhere near that Eli and Beckham will have a field day.


Well Gurley's team's passing game is fantastic. So, they couldn't afford to load the box on every play.
I'd love to see them stack the box and then  
Heisenberg : 5/24/2018 9:44 am : link
hit Odell or Engram over the top.

The Barkley pick may be a long term problem if we end up in QB hell, but this will be (at least on paper) the most balanced Giants offense in a LONG time.
Teams figured out the only way to slow down OBJ  
Keith : 5/24/2018 9:46 am : link
and they dared the giants to run. Teams are not going to let OBJ run rampant in the secondary to stop the running game.
RE: Not  
mittenedman : 5/24/2018 9:46 am : link
In comment 13973928 mdthedream said:
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with the receivers we have.


In terms of 8-man boxes, the receivers & even the QB don't matter. That's the beauty of a run heavy offense. You have no choice but to drop the S down or the offense will simply run over you with battering ram, A+ RB's.

It's a choice. You won't find many DC's willing to get throttled with the running game. They'll take their chances making a QB complete go routes.
point of reference  
mittenedman : 5/24/2018 9:47 am : link
The Coughlin Giants.

They had outstanding WR's with Plax/Toomer/Steve Smith but faced a ton of 8-man fronts because of that running game. Earth, Wind and Fire.
The thing is  
gmen9892 : 5/24/2018 9:48 am : link
Neither the Jags nor Bears had a legit WR or TE threat. That caused the stacked box. Good luck stacking the box and leaving your CB's and Safeties 1 on 1 with the likes of OBJ, Shep, and Engram.
How on Earth is Zeke Elliot not on that list?  
Dnew15 : 5/24/2018 9:49 am : link
What were NFL defensive coordinators worried about on that Dallas offense that would prevent putting 8 in the box?
Would  
Jon in NYC : 5/24/2018 9:49 am : link
be fantastic news if the Giants saw a lot of 8 man boxes. Would mean A. They can't stop the run with 7
B. Some combination of Odell/Shep/Engram are going to have great matchups.
RE: How on Earth is Zeke Elliot not on that list?  
montanagiant : 5/24/2018 9:50 am : link
In comment 13973956 Dnew15 said:
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What were NFL defensive coordinators worried about on that Dallas offense that would prevent putting 8 in the box?

He was suspended is most likely why
It..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/24/2018 9:51 am : link
is only a list of 1000 yard backs from last year:

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How on Earth is Zeke Elliot not on that list?
Dnew15 : 9:49 am : link : reply
What were NFL defensive coordinators worried about on that Dallas offense that would prevent putting 8 in the box?


Elliott didn't have 1000 yards
RE: How on Earth is Zeke Elliot not on that list?  
dep026 : 5/24/2018 9:52 am : link
In comment 13973956 Dnew15 said:
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What were NFL defensive coordinators worried about on that Dallas offense that would prevent putting 8 in the box?


Missing 6 games put a dent in that a bit.
RE: It..  
widmerseyebrow : 5/24/2018 9:52 am : link
In comment 13973961 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is only a list of 1000 yard backs from last year:



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How on Earth is Zeke Elliot not on that list?
Dnew15 : 9:49 am : link : reply
What were NFL defensive coordinators worried about on that Dallas offense that would prevent putting 8 in the box?



Elliott didn't have 1000 yards


Kinda lame since he had 983. I would be interested to see.
there is one way to beat 8 men in the box  
Giantsfan79 : 5/24/2018 9:53 am : link
play action passing - who's our TE again?
Very surprised to see Ingram...  
bw in dc : 5/24/2018 9:56 am : link
that high with Brees's ability in general in the passing game, and his ability to check out of calls.

Having the RBs for the Jax and Bears makes sense since neither team will be confused with Air Coryell...
Ezekiel Elliott  
dep026 : 5/24/2018 9:57 am : link
35%
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Ingram..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/24/2018 9:57 am : link
shouldn't be too much of a surprise. He was in the game on a lot of running downs and replaced by Kamara when it was likely to see a pass.
Interesting..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/24/2018 9:59 am : link
that Jonathan Stewart had the highest % vs an 8 man box.
My bad...  
Dnew15 : 5/24/2018 10:02 am : link
I figured the % of attempts wouldn't be impacted by how many games he played...
RE: Ingram..  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/24/2018 10:09 am : link
In comment 13973978 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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shouldn't be too much of a surprise. He was in the game on a lot of running downs and replaced by Kamara when it was likely to see a pass.


Even more interesting, is that Darkwa was 5th on the list. Maybe if we had a WR or 2 to throw to last year our offense wouldn't have been so putrid.
Whoops I quoted the wrong comment  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/24/2018 10:09 am : link
...
We had good recievers the year before..  
Dnew15 : 5/24/2018 10:10 am : link
the offense was still putrid.
OBJ + playaction  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/24/2018 10:12 am : link
= 8 man box killer

For this reason I don't expect us to see anything like 40%.
RE: We had good recievers the year before..  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/24/2018 10:14 am : link
In comment 13973998 Dnew15 said:
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the offense was still putrid.

We had one weappn, any decent DC can game plan and counter a one dimensional offense.
RE: I don't know..  
Reale01 : 5/24/2018 10:15 am : link
In comment 13973925 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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if we will see a lot of 8 man boxes.

If teams feel they can handle our OL straight up, they will play to take away the slants and the seam route and hope that they can stop the run with a standard set.

We didn't see a lot of 8 man boxes last year, which in part is what led to decent rushing stats for Gallman and Darkwa.


Agreed
RE: RE: I don't know..  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/24/2018 10:19 am : link
In comment 13974011 Reale01 said:
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In comment 13973925 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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if we will see a lot of 8 man boxes.

If teams feel they can handle our OL straight up, they will play to take away the slants and the seam route and hope that they can stop the run with a standard set.

We didn't see a lot of 8 man boxes last year, which in part is what led to decent rushing stats for Gallman and Darkwa.



Agreed


Accept Darkwa saw the 5th most 8 man boxes last season. So this comment is completely off.
Wayne Gallman...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/24/2018 10:25 am : link
was 5th from the bottom.

In terms of team totals, the Giants saw the 19th most 8 man fronts, which is below average.
Darkwa couldnt catch  
dep026 : 5/24/2018 10:26 am : link
either though.
Before you compare %of attempts vs 8 man boxes,  
Ira : 5/24/2018 10:28 am : link
you have to look at the teams other skill positions - particularly in the passing game. Fournette played with Bortles and receivers who didn't scare anyone. Of course defenses played 8 in the box. It'll be interesting to see how teams defend the Giants with both OBJ and Barkley, not to mention Shepard and Engram.
The Darkwa Stat  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/24/2018 10:48 am : link
doesn't surprise me either.

I would have loaded up to stop the run, if the only viable catching threats were Shepard and or Engram.
It all has to do with the defenses respect for the passing game  
PatersonPlank : 5/24/2018 11:09 am : link
Jax (Fournette), Bears (Howard), and Buff (McCoy), all had weak passing games so why not. I can't explain Ingram unless maybe the teams expected a run when he was in (vs Kamara). Anyway, with Eli, OBJ, etc., I'm not sure SB will be up there.

Also it makes sense Gallman was near the bottom. What defense worried about the Giants running game with the OL and RB's we had? They took away the short passes and blitzed like hell to get to Eli.
RE: It all has to do with the defenses respect for the passing game  
bw in dc : 5/24/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 13974058 PatersonPlank said:
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Jax (Fournette), Bears (Howard), and Buff (McCoy), all had weak passing games so why not. I can't explain Ingram unless maybe the teams expected a run when he was in (vs Kamara). Anyway, with Eli, OBJ, etc., I'm not sure SB will be up there.


The Ingram results are odd. But this is sort of hard to digest because there are variables.

When were the teams in 8 man fronts during the game? Were teams using 8 man fronts in games when the Saints were ahead and trying to milk the clock? If that's the case, that stat is skewed due to circumstances...
RE: I can't believe  
Rflairr : 5/24/2018 11:26 am : link
In comment 13973934 crackerjack465 said:
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we passed up Jordan Howard for Paul Perkins.


lol. That’s always easy to say after the fact. I bet a lot of teams are saying the same thing about Kareem Hunt
Not sure 8man box stats are relevant for Giants  
Jimmy Googs : 5/24/2018 11:38 am : link
as almost any type of defense was able to stop us fairly easily...
RE: Not sure 8man box stats are relevant for Giants  
PatersonPlank : 5/24/2018 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13974085 Jimmy Googs said:
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as almost any type of defense was able to stop us fairly easily...


Ha ha, agreed. I think most teams used a 2 in the box scheme to shut down our running "attack" (and i use that word very loosely)
That's pretty much it. Nobody needed an 8-man front  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/24/2018 12:52 pm : link
to stop the Giants last year.
They will this year  
Dnew15 : 5/24/2018 1:19 pm : link
mark it down...
I will. Right next to where I mark down  
Jimmy Googs : 5/24/2018 1:30 pm : link
"we shall see..."
No chance  
hassan : 5/24/2018 5:40 pm : link
Giants will see a lot of 8 man boxes. Jax and chi had no receivers and ineffective or rookie qb play.

Barkley is a receiving threat as well and teams will not leave Beckham Shepard and engram in one on one.

And Barkley is a totally different back than Fournette who is a grinder - so don’t see teams looking to creep up on Giant o with a guy like Beckham out there.
umm top 3  
mdc1 : 5/24/2018 6:11 pm : link
SEC and pound the rock Penn St.
if our new pick gives us 35% or greater  
mdc1 : 5/24/2018 6:17 pm : link
shouldn't that do it?
RE: I will. Right next to where I mark down  
crick n NC : 5/25/2018 7:16 am : link
In comment 13974158 Jimmy Googs said:
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"we shall see..."


Interesting, you didn't use this line of thinking when you said without doubt the OL is fixed because resources were thrown at it. Both have a 'wait and see' approach, no?
You are right....i am interesting crick.  
Jimmy Googs : 5/30/2018 7:07 am : link
I think I said the OL is "fixed enough", meaning for 2018 and replacements at several positions should sustain an improved offense. Put me in the camp of little confidence that Flowers or the others are a solution at Right Tackle so look for that solution next offseason...along with likely upgrade at Center.

Of course, there is wait and see but that makes for un-interesting posts. Is that what you want to read on every thread...
So I guess  
crick n NC : 5/30/2018 7:56 am : link
We can mark you down for a less than interesting post considering your wait and see approach in this thread.

FYI, I don't find coversations using the wait and see logic less interesting.
You don't have to mark me down for anything  
Jimmy Googs : 5/30/2018 8:02 am : link
just wait and see what I post next since that is more interesting...
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