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How will Giants respond to intimidation of Barkley?

TC : 5/24/2018 6:38 pm
This has been something I've thought about. Intimidation of RB's is part of the game. Big hits, head hunting, etc. And it's a bigger part of the NFL game, and rookies see even more of it. Given Barkley's notoriety as the #2 pick, and remarks about him such as a "generational talent" coupled with his unwillingness in school to try to punish tacklers, how do you think he and the Giants will respond to attempts to intimidate him through extra nasty play?

Keep in mind that I'm not suggesting this will make him ineffective, or that he's not tough, this is just part of the game. And in the past, an evident lack of team cohesiveness would have me more concerned, but I'm still very interested to see how the entire team responds.
Hernandez  
PEEJ : 5/24/2018 6:40 pm : link
will be a protector
It will be a good thing for O-Line.  
BlueinRoch : 5/24/2018 6:47 pm : link
One more reason for them to form the bond we need them to that has been lacking in the past few years. Led by Hernandez, I hope we get back to showing a little nastiness.
RE: Hernandez  
eli4life : 5/24/2018 6:48 pm : link
In comment 13974456 PEEJ said:
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I wouldn’t screw with Barkley if he is around lol
RE: Hernandez  
TC : 5/24/2018 6:49 pm : link
In comment 13974456 PEEJ said:
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will be a protector

That's a good point! The OL really needs to step up on this, and he's got right personality and tools to take on that role.
Being faster that most defensive players will help  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/24/2018 6:56 pm : link
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RE: RE: Hernandez  
Mike From Brielle : 5/24/2018 7:09 pm : link
In comment 13974464 TC said:
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will be a protector


That's a good point! The OL really needs to step up on this, and he's got right personality and tools to take on that role.


I know this is ridiculous but Richie Incognito? Just put a line in the contract that he gets fined every time he harasses or starts a fight with Flowers (who'd he'd probably have to play beside). That and lets sign Dez to make our offense really explosive ;).
RE: RE: RE: Hernandez  
TC : 5/24/2018 7:15 pm : link
In comment 13974477 Mike From Brielle said:
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will be a protector


That's a good point! The OL really needs to step up on this, and he's got right personality and tools to take on that role.



I know this is ridiculous but Richie Incognito? Just put a line in the contract that he gets fined every time he harasses or starts a fight with Flowers (who'd he'd probably have to play beside). That and lets sign Dez to make our offense really explosive ;).

He could team up with Hernandez and together they could go full on Dobler and Dierdorf on offenders!
So you guys think that...  
EricJ : 5/24/2018 7:18 pm : link
this did not happen throughout his whole college career? He will be fine and if any RB can be intimidated the way the OP suggests, then he does not belong in the NFL
Uh, Barkley played in the Big Ten...  
bw in dc : 5/24/2018 7:21 pm : link
against pros. It's one of the three best conferences in the country.

He'll have no problem handling the game off football on the field.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Hernandez  
Mike From Brielle : 5/24/2018 7:21 pm : link
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will be a protector


That's a good point! The OL really needs to step up on this, and he's got right personality and tools to take on that role.



I know this is ridiculous but Richie Incognito? Just put a line in the contract that he gets fined every time he harasses or starts a fight with Flowers (who'd he'd probably have to play beside). That and lets sign Dez to make our offense really explosive ;).


He could team up with Hernandez and together they could go full on Dobler and Dierdorf on offenders!


Our own little goon squad to watch Odell and Saquons backs; I like it!
You probably can't get away with it these days even if the refs won't do their job.
The Giants could put a little  
Bill in UT : 5/24/2018 7:46 pm : link
safe tent on the sideline where Barkley could hug a stuffed animal if he feels people are picking on him.
Intimidate Barkley  
GiantSteps : 5/24/2018 7:55 pm : link
and let Odell Beckham, Sterling Shepherd, Evan Engram, and some other guy playing wide receiver make you regret it.
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I am Ninja : 5/24/2018 7:59 pm : link
some of the stuff people worry about really makes me shake my head.
No doubt defenses will try and to intimidate  
TMS : 5/24/2018 9:50 pm : link
ELI , OBJ and Barkley. Thats FB from the defensive side of the ball, What else is new. We will targeting their guys as well.
RE: ________  
Boy Cord : 5/24/2018 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13974500 I am Ninja said:
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some of the stuff people worry about really makes me shake my head.


Seriously. It’s like no one has ever been successful at RB because they were too intimidated.
the kid played  
UESBLUE : 5/24/2018 10:01 pm : link
Big 10 football. Its not Pop Warner.
Barkley needs to grow a pair. If he dishes out punishment it will  
SterlingArcher : 5/24/2018 10:15 pm : link
be a non factor. Was Sweetness, Bo Jackson, or Nigerian Nightmare intimidated? No, they doled out punishment!
The hand of God  
Jimmy Googs : 5/24/2018 10:31 pm : link
shall keep him safe my son...
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christian : 5/24/2018 10:33 pm : link
The Giants will be more concerned about a line that's a major work in progress, no depth at receiver, and an aging quarterback coming off a very average year. Barkley is joining a very unenviable situation for a rookie running back. Plenty of realistic on-the-field issues to worry about.
Intimidation only works if a player is intimidated.  
Section331 : 5/24/2018 10:37 pm : link
Barkley is a tough kid, he’s played football all his life, I don’t think he’s going to shy away because some defenders hit a little late.
RE: The hand of God  
bw in dc : 5/24/2018 10:48 pm : link
In comment 13974627 Jimmy Googs said:
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shall keep him safe my son...


LOL. Classic.
remember walter payton?  
WillieYoung : 5/24/2018 10:53 pm : link
He played on one of the toughest teams in history. Remember anyone defending him after a "dirty play" by a defender? Of course not, the dirty player was writhing in pain on the ground.
Barkley will be fine  
crick n NC : 5/24/2018 11:20 pm : link
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A whole lot of chest thumping going on!  
TC : 5/24/2018 11:51 pm : link
And a whole lot of Naiveté.

A. Who's worried? Read what was written.

B. Who said Barkley wasn't tough? Read what was written.

And for those who think the Big 10 and the NFL are the same, well, I just can't help you.

The level of violence in the NFL is a whole other world compared to college ball. A 250lb or 300lb NFL defender has the ability to injure a RB or WR on almost any play if they wish to. Fortunately, most aren't dirt bags, and most don't WANT to injure other players.

But there are exceptions. How was Odell's 2017 season? And that's why the team needs to have your back. No bull shit, no bravado, just quiet consequences.


One thing...  
Mike From Brielle : 5/25/2018 3:59 am : link
I don't think the possibility should be completely dismissed however. I remember how Josh Norman et al of the Carolina Panthers decided to take out Odell with the help of the refs. Odell shouldn't be the one who has to get pay back for another team crossing the line to take out one of our high skill players. If payback occurs it should also be just part of the game.
It's been part of the game  
Bubba : 5/25/2018 5:54 am : link
since it was founded. I'm sure he and the team can handle it.
Are there..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/25/2018 8:35 am : link
examples of backs who have been extremely intimidated to the point where they haven't been able to perform?

Holy crap what people will think to dwell on.
RE: Barkley needs to grow a pair. If he dishes out punishment it will  
njm : 5/25/2018 8:49 am : link
In comment 13974614 SterlingArcher said:
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be a non factor. Was Sweetness, Bo Jackson, or Nigerian Nightmare intimidated? No, they doled out punishment!


So he's already intimidated? Unfucking real.
Offensive line  
Paulie Walnuts : 5/25/2018 10:26 am : link
has been our problem.. and good OL will stand up for their guys
Nothing to worry about  
allstarjim : 5/25/2018 10:38 am : link
Barkley is quicker and faster than just about everyone else on the football field, and stronger than most, even some defensive linemen. More likely, the intimidation factor is going to work the opposite direction. When the defense starts second guessing themselves because Barkley making them look silly, then they will be aying on their heels.

Barkley is adept at not taking the big hit. He knows how to protect himself.
RE: ________  
Joey in VA : 5/25/2018 10:52 am : link
In comment 13974500 I am Ninja said:
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some of the stuff people worry about really makes me shake my head.
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RE: Nothing to worry about  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 5/25/2018 10:56 am : link
In comment 13975005 allstarjim said:
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Barkley is quicker and faster than just about everyone else on the football field, and stronger than most, even some defensive linemen. More likely, the intimidation factor is going to work the opposite direction. When the defense starts second guessing themselves because Barkley making them look silly, then they will be aying on their heels.

Barkley is adept at not taking the big hit. He knows how to protect himself.


Also Barkley is not a player that 'invites' the hatred of another team with brash and arrogant on field behavior as Odell has in the past.

this is one of the more bizarre threads I've read  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2018 11:05 am : link
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RE: this is one of the more bizarre threads I've read  
dorgan : 5/25/2018 11:41 am : link
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I thought it was satire at first.
Yeah,  
Keith : 5/25/2018 11:56 am : link
how this is written really makes no sense and the follow ups by the OP don't really help.

I think what you are trying to say, and I could be wrong....will teams find extra motivation to shut down Barkley because of all the hype? Similar to Ball on the Lakers. Players found extra motivation to take it to him because of the hype and his fathers mouth. Will teams find that extra motivation.

Intimidation? How will it be any different than any rookie coming into the NFL? Defensive players will talk trash and try to hit him hard regardless.
I guess in the Big 10 they bring down RBs by hitting them with pillows  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2018 11:57 am : link
I got nuttin'
I remember an interview with  
Bubba : 5/25/2018 12:31 pm : link
Tommy Nobis (for those who don't know look him up). The interviewer asked him if he gets scared on the football field. The look on his face said it all but he finally answered "of what"? Its comes with the territory.
RE: I guess in the Big 10 they bring down RBs by hitting them with pillows  
dorgan : 5/25/2018 12:34 pm : link
In comment 13975100 Greg from LI said:
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I got nuttin'


Don't you make light of that. Those fucking pillows hurt.
I think there would be discussion...  
bw in dc : 5/25/2018 12:36 pm : link
to be had if we drafted a QB, and that QB came from a mid-level conference, didn't take many hits, wasn't big, didn't move well, had history of injuries, etc.

Because I do believe the QB position is one that can be intimidated and create problems like happy feet, looking down at the rest, short arming throws, etc.

But RB? NFW.
Maybe someone will beat up a kicking net again  
PatersonPlank : 5/25/2018 12:38 pm : link
that will show them
One 'a them giant body pillows?  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2018 12:41 pm : link
They absolutely hurt. My son walloped me with one not long ago. I was just laying there sleeping peacefully, and WHAM!
How did we respond to the intimidation of Beckham?  
penkap75 : 5/25/2018 1:13 pm : link
?
Weird thread  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/25/2018 1:22 pm : link
Is weird.
dupe is  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2018 1:23 pm : link
dupe
Let's see if this makes it any clearer.  
TC : 5/25/2018 1:57 pm : link
ATTEMPTS to intimidate players are part of the game, more so in the NFL. Cheap shots can result in injury to the target. (As it did to Beckham.) ALL players, but RB's in particular are susceptible. The ability of any player, but particularly RB's, to protect themselves has its limitations.

Teams have historically had each other's backs in such circumstances. A video posted here recently showed a former Giants player providing consequences to a Redskin who cheap shotted LT as an example of this.

OL are typically best positioned to perform this role. As did the Giants' player, as Shell and Upshaw would routinely do, and many others.This isn't unusual, to one degree or another, it goes on in every game.

Point of my inquiry: As last year the Giants' OL was a mess, and seemed to be more interested in fighting each other than opponents, would there be a new attitude toward rallying around a teammate? I didn't expect THE answer, as there likely isn't one, rather just a discussion of how YOU think the team would respond.

PEEJ understood this. Too bad more haven't. If you need to deliberately misconstrue this, have fun!
You can't intimidate  
Gman11 : 5/25/2018 2:09 pm : link
what you can't catch.
Yeah...  
Chris in Philly : 5/25/2018 2:13 pm : link
He's going to make most of these fuckers miss....
To make ikt more..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/25/2018 2:19 pm : link
clear, why don't you produce actual examples of players who have been intimidated with their team not having their back.

Clarification of a mind-numbingly dumb premise doesn't make it any more valid.
I'm actually more excited about how  
BSIMatt : 5/25/2018 5:29 pm : link
worried these defenses will be on having to account for Barkley on every snap.

An 18 year old, true freshman goes into the horeshoe, against #1 ranked Ohio State and was the best player on the field against a defense saturated with future high round draft picks?

There are things to worry about for the Giants in 2018, this is certainly not one of them.

Do yourself a favor and please watch the clip in the link...
The Film Room Ep. 66: Saquon Barkley - The Next LaDainian Tomlinson - ( New Window )
Hernandez could have a willing  
TMS : 5/26/2018 10:27 am : link
parrner in Flowers who has great size and strength if he gets his techniques straightened out. He has attitude already. Shurmur has to get involved here to get Flowers up to speed. Think we see a lot of Barkley in the passing game: quick hitters and screens where he will have room to run after the catch. Scrimmage will be the other backs.
Think opposing DCs will be yelling where are OBJ and Barkley  
TMS : 5/26/2018 10:51 am : link
on every play. Provided DG gets ELI some more protection on that OL. Thinking he will. Good to feel optimistic for a change.
RE: Barkley needs to grow a pair. If he dishes out punishment it will  
VinegarPeppers : 5/28/2018 11:04 am : link
He doesn’t have a pair? He’s not asking this question and some here sound like he’s bitching. I suspect this is the Josh Rosen crew. First time Saquon drops a pass they’ll have him as a bust.



In comment 13974614 SterlingArcher said:
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be a non factor. Was Sweetness, Bo Jackson, or Nigerian Nightmare intimidated? No, they doled out punishment!
Not to be a dick  
bradshaw44 : 5/28/2018 11:51 am : link
But you’re essentially asking how he Giants will respond to Barkley playing NFL football. I’d imagine it will similar to how AP and Elliot acclimated to the NFL.
New equipment manager from the Panthers  
DennyInDenville : 5/28/2018 11:54 am : link
Means we will use baseball bats pregame to ensure his protection
RE: RE: Barkley needs to grow a pair. If he dishes out punishment it will  
TMS : 5/28/2018 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13976987 VinegarPeppers said:
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He doesn’t have a pair? He’s not asking this question and some here sound like he’s bitching. I suspect this is the Josh Rosen crew. First time Saquon drops a pass they’ll have him as a bust.



In comment 13974614 SterlingArcher said:





be a non factor. Was Sweetness, Bo Jackson, or Nigerian Nightmare intimidated? No, they doled out punishment!

They were quite lobby we will see how it works out.
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