for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

NFT: Yankee News 5/24: Bird , Kahnle to be activated

Ron from Ninerland : 5/24/2018 7:05 pm
Kahnle will activated Friday, Bird on Saturday, Warren is a ways off.
News - ( New Window )
Pages: 1 2 <<Prev | Show All |
RE: I'm not trading the Farm based upon a 5-5 spell.  
Beer Man : 5/25/2018 9:20 am : link
In comment 13974741 manh george said:
Quote:
I am concerned regarding the outlook going into the playoffs, and I assume the Yankees will be there. After Severno, I am hopeful that Gray maintains his better performance, and that Montgomery gets back. But, Tanaka has a 4.95 ERA on merit, and I worry a lot about CC lasting the full season. So, a #4 or so SP may end up a need, not a want.

Rich, who would you be comfortable with as the #4 starter if Tanaka really is shot and CC fades? Is there a AAA pitcher who can step in this year? The worry on Tanaka is that his fastball doesn't have much life, and it isn't clear why there would be a bounce back.
Plus these trades don't always work. Look at the prospect talent given up for Sony Gray.
Ultimately, I just don't know that a pitcher worth trading for  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2018 9:25 am : link
will be available. Obviously, a lot can change from now to July 31. A team that is hanging in there now might have collapsed by then, something like that. At this point, however, there just aren't many obvious candidates who are a)good enough to bother b)likely to be shopped.
Also, regarding Otani  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2018 9:27 am : link
The rumor was he didn't want to go to a team that had an established Japanese player already. He wanted to be a trailblazer, both as a 2 way player and as a team's first Japanese star. If true, that didn't help the Yankees either.
RE: RE: I'm not trading the Farm based upon a 5-5 spell.  
BigBlueShock : 5/25/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 13974874 Beer Man said:
Quote:
In comment 13974741 manh george said:


Quote:


I am concerned regarding the outlook going into the playoffs, and I assume the Yankees will be there. After Severno, I am hopeful that Gray maintains his better performance, and that Montgomery gets back. But, Tanaka has a 4.95 ERA on merit, and I worry a lot about CC lasting the full season. So, a #4 or so SP may end up a need, not a want.

Rich, who would you be comfortable with as the #4 starter if Tanaka really is shot and CC fades? Is there a AAA pitcher who can step in this year? The worry on Tanaka is that his fastball doesn't have much life, and it isn't clear why there would be a bounce back.

Plus these trades don't always work. Look at the prospect talent given up for Sony Gray.

So that trade already didn’t work? Huh. I’m not a Sonny Gray fan by any means but he’s pitched pretty damned good in three of his last 4 outings. What if this is his turn around point? What if this team wins a WS with Gray being a big part of it? NY fans are incredibly impatient. Players go through slumps. It happens.

I also think the prospect haul that they gave up is being a bit overrated here. Mateo has been absolutely dreadful. Who knows how Kaprelian comes back from TJ and Rutherford is what he is. He’s likely a guy that won’t hit for a ton of power and may not have the on base skills to ever become an everyday player in the majors. And the Yankees will not have any room for him in the distant future anyways. Who knows what the long term outcome will be with this deal but I’d say it’s a bit early to declare it a bad trade. And Cashman has certainly earned the benefit of doubt lately, so I’ll trust him that he got it right. We will see.
RE: I'm not trading the Farm based upon a 5-5 spell.  
rich in DC : 5/25/2018 9:51 am : link
In comment 13974741 manh george said:
Quote:
I am concerned regarding the outlook going into the playoffs, and I assume the Yankees will be there. After Severno, I am hopeful that Gray maintains his better performance, and that Montgomery gets back. But, Tanaka has a 4.95 ERA on merit, and I worry a lot about CC lasting the full season. So, a #4 or so SP may end up a need, not a want.

Rich, who would you be comfortable with as the #4 starter if Tanaka really is shot and CC fades? Is there a AAA pitcher who can step in this year? The worry on Tanaka is that his fastball doesn't have much life, and it isn't clear why there would be a bounce back.


I pointed out the other day that Tanaka put up an 8.48 ERA and was TERRIBLE in May last year. At the same time, he was outstanding down the stretch and the Yanks best playoff pitcher. Don't read too much into a small sample size. If anyone tried to draw conclusions about Tanaka around Memorial Day last year, they would almost certainly have been wrong. They are now too.

The trouble with Tanaka's FB is that it is straight- and low to mid 90's. You don't get away with that in MLB. YES recently had an in-game stat that Tanaka throws fewer FB than any other SP- mainly because hitters kill it. If you check when he gives up HR, it is generally on a FB. At the same time, he has to use it as a "show me" pitch to keep hitters honest. In short, there is nothing new or worrisome about his 2018 FB- it is what it has always been- probably his least useful pitch.

Tanaka will be fine- he has a long track record of overcoming adverse stretches- veteran SP tend to figure things out after a while.

Everyone is right to worry about CC over a full season- but that is irrelevant to the post-season. The Yanks will simply start their most effective 4th SP one time in a series, if that. Severino, Gray and Tanaka are the big three. After that, you go with CC, Montgomery or maybe a young guy like Sheffield, Adams or Rogers- they will be pulled at the first sign of trouble for a pen game anyway.

One factor that has hurt the SP overall early in the season is the loss of Warren. He was their best "long man"- the guy who could take the ball and go 3-4 innings if needed. That forced Boone to leave SP in longer than he wanted to prevent burning out the pen.

Don't be surprised if the Yanks shift German into that long role going forward- and possibly Rogers too. It will help the SP, as they can be pulled when trouble starts instead of letting things get out of hand like in Texas the other night.
RAB had a piece on Tanaka yesterday  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2018 9:56 am : link
Basically, hitters have adjusted to the no-fastballs approach and are laying off the splitter. He's not getting hitters to chase like he had been in the second half last season - he actually had the highest chase rate in the majors. So he's falling behind in counts and walking a lot of batters, as well as having to groove pitches to avoid walks which are being clobbered. So now he has to adjust to the adjustments.
RE: RE: RE: I'm not trading the Farm based upon a 5-5 spell.  
Beer Man : 5/25/2018 10:05 am : link
In comment 13974919 BigBlueShock said:
Quote:
In comment 13974874 Beer Man said:


Quote:


In comment 13974741 manh george said:


Quote:


I am concerned regarding the outlook going into the playoffs, and I assume the Yankees will be there. After Severno, I am hopeful that Gray maintains his better performance, and that Montgomery gets back. But, Tanaka has a 4.95 ERA on merit, and I worry a lot about CC lasting the full season. So, a #4 or so SP may end up a need, not a want.

Rich, who would you be comfortable with as the #4 starter if Tanaka really is shot and CC fades? Is there a AAA pitcher who can step in this year? The worry on Tanaka is that his fastball doesn't have much life, and it isn't clear why there would be a bounce back.

Plus these trades don't always work. Look at the prospect talent given up for Sony Gray.


So that trade already didn’t work? Huh. I’m not a Sonny Gray fan by any means but he’s pitched pretty damned good in three of his last 4 outings. What if this is his turn around point? What if this team wins a WS with Gray being a big part of it? NY fans are incredibly impatient. Players go through slumps. It happens.

I also think the prospect haul that they gave up is being a bit overrated here. Mateo has been absolutely dreadful. Who knows how Kaprelian comes back from TJ and Rutherford is what he is. He’s likely a guy that won’t hit for a ton of power and may not have the on base skills to ever become an everyday player in the majors. And the Yankees will not have any room for him in the distant future anyways. Who knows what the long term outcome will be with this deal but I’d say it’s a bit early to declare it a bad trade. And Cashman has certainly earned the benefit of doubt lately, so I’ll trust him that he got it right. We will see.
The Yankees gave up three high-end prospects to get a guy (Gray) who was suppose to be a top-end of the rotation guy (1 or 2). Since becoming a Yank last year, at best he has been highly inconsistent and has looked more like a back of the rotation guy than a front end. Hopefully, he can become the pitcher we all thought we were getting, but as of right now he looks to be another talented pitcher that comes to NY and turns into a major head case (ala, A.J. Burnett, Kenny Rogers, Kevin Brown, Randy Johnson, Carl Pavano, etc.)
Gray has been disappointing  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2018 10:16 am : link
No doubt about it. I expected to see the excellent pitcher he was in Oakland, but we've only seen that guy sporadically.

Part of the problem could be the stadium. In 11 career starts in YS, he's given up 13 homers in 60 IP for an ERA of 5.79.
Another kid in the minors that may bring some relief  
Beer Man : 5/25/2018 10:26 am : link
is Erik Swanson. There have been a couple recent articles on him, as he has been rocketing through the minors this year, similar to what Chance Adams did in 2016 & 2017.
Erik Swanson - ( New Window )
Domingo Acevedo might have the leg up on Swanson  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2018 10:31 am : link
Even though Swanson is a level higher, just because Acevedo is on the 40 man and Swanson isn't.
Domingo Acevedo could be a stud  
Beer Man : 5/25/2018 10:42 am : link
His fastball has reached 103mph and he has a plus changeup, but his breaking ball is still a WIP and he has control issues. The Yanks demoted him in March from AAA-SWB to AA-Trenton. Also, he just recently came off the DL due to a concussion and blisters on his throwing hand. This is a guy that could be very special if he can get it all together. Hopefully he doesn't become another Dellin Betances (sp.?)
RE: Domingo Acevedo could be a stud  
rich in DC : 5/25/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 13975009 Beer Man said:
Quote:
His fastball has reached 103mph and he has a plus changeup, but his breaking ball is still a WIP and he has control issues. The Yanks demoted him in March from AAA-SWB to AA-Trenton. Also, he just recently came off the DL due to a concussion and blisters on his throwing hand. This is a guy that could be very special if he can get it all together. Hopefully he doesn't become another Dellin Betances (sp.?)


Actually, Betances is the guy I would comp him on.

While the Yanks are going to give him every opportunity to be a SP- and they should- I think that 2 years from now, he will be a key back of the bullpen piece, if not a closer if Chapman leaves in FA.
Acevedo has been a better starter than Betances was in MiLB though  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2018 10:51 am : link
A bit up and down performance-wise, but on the whole rather good.
Acevedo has blister issues...  
Dunedin81 : 5/25/2018 10:57 am : link
they recur, ala Rich Hill. Acevedo is unlike Betances in that he has good command and decent control, especially for a big guy. He's also unlike Betances in that he doesn't have a put-away pitch. Major League hitters can cue up for 103 if they don't fear anything else you throw. So if the secondaries come along, Acevedo could be special. If not, back-end guy.
Sorry, back-end bullpen guy...  
Dunedin81 : 5/25/2018 11:01 am : link
As for Swanson, I saw him pitch a couple weeks ago, before the promotion. Good stuff, I just don't see a put-away pitch in his repertoire. I know his K rates in the minors are quite good, but in the high minors and the majors players aren't going to chase average breaking stuff. He does not allow much hard contact though, so that's a plus for him.
Heyman on twitter  
adamg : 5/25/2018 11:28 am : link
Saying sox are dropping Hanley.
River Ave Blues saying Bird is no longer in Scranton.  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/25/2018 11:39 am : link
:)
RE: River Ave Blues saying Bird is no longer in Scranton.  
bigbluehoya : 5/25/2018 11:49 am : link
In comment 13975079 Dave in Hoboken said:
Quote:
:)


Already announced that Bird is up w the big club effective tomorrow. Probably would have been tonight if they weren’t facing a lefty...Austin has been pounding LHs, might as well go with him tonight.
Seems like the 13yh pitcher, Gio Gallegos, is being sent down  
Ace718 : 5/25/2018 11:52 am : link
.
RE: Seems like the 13yh pitcher, Gio Gallegos, is being sent down  
bigbluehoya : 5/25/2018 12:01 pm : link
In comment 13975086 Ace718 said:
Quote:
.


Yup, that’s the move for Kahnle being activated tonight. Curious to see who goes tomorrow for Bird.
I assume Holder goes down  
bigbluehoya : 5/25/2018 12:04 pm : link
Tomorrow. Cole is better suited to long duty for the time being. Easier to send Holder down than put Cole back on the open market while he stil has value to NYY with Monty hurt.
I think Austin will stay and platoon with Bird for a while  
arniefez : 5/25/2018 12:27 pm : link
I think Torreyes will go down for now.
I think Torreyes is safe  
bigbluehoya : 5/25/2018 12:32 pm : link
Hitters should all be safe until Drury is ready to go. No need for 13 arms in the pen.

The interesting decision comes when Drury is ready. In my eyes, Austin and Andujar are battling for survival at that point.
They aren't going to platoon Bird  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2018 12:34 pm : link
He needs reps badly. Since his 2015 debut, he has had a grand total of 227 MLB plate appearances, including playoffs.
RE: I assume Holder goes down  
rich in DC : 5/25/2018 12:34 pm : link
In comment 13975116 bigbluehoya said:
Quote:
Tomorrow. Cole is better suited to long duty for the time being. Easier to send Holder down than put Cole back on the open market while he stil has value to NYY with Monty hurt.


I VERY highly doubt they send down Holder. He has been one of their best relievers for a couple weeks now.

It would and should be Austin going to the minors. When they face an NL team, they will send down a P and bring up a bat- but that won't be for a while now.
Lind is being released...  
Dunedin81 : 5/25/2018 12:36 pm : link
reading the tea leaves, that could mean Austin is headed down? Or it could mean Lind has a possible MLB job lined up elsewhere.
Adam Lind has been released as well.  
Ace718 : 5/25/2018 12:37 pm : link
He probably had an out in his contract and will look for an MLB opportunity
that would seem to make the most sense  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2018 12:38 pm : link
No reason to keep Lind around in Scranton if Austin is there - they're not going to want to have Austin sharing the position.
I really don't think Austin is going down.  
Ace718 : 5/25/2018 12:42 pm : link
They might go back to 12 pitchers.
RE: I think Torreyes is safe  
rich in DC : 5/25/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 13975173 bigbluehoya said:
Quote:
Hitters should all be safe until Drury is ready to go. No need for 13 arms in the pen.

The interesting decision comes when Drury is ready. In my eyes, Austin and Andujar are battling for survival at that point.


Drury is NOT going to displace Andujar at this point. Andujar has earned the job with good defense and a better bat. Andujar doesn't walk at all, but that's about the only negative you can take away at this point.

People seem to fail to understand that Drury does not have a lot of experience at 3B. He has all of 48 games of 3B experience at the ML level- over 4 seasons. He also has medical issues he is still working through.

Keep in mind as well that Drury isn't exactly lighting up AAA- he has just over a .400 SLG. Contrast that with Andujar's .500 SLG. Andujar's OBP isn't pretty- sub .300- but he traditionally does better than that.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking a vet pushes aside a younger player because they are a vet. Girardi isn't the manager anymore- and the Yanks are building a younger team.
You don’t tire of talking down to people, do you?  
bigbluehoya : 5/25/2018 12:47 pm : link
Clearly you’re an informed fan, but you have a knack for coming off as a dickhead.

We’ll see if you’re as dead-on-balls-accurate as you think you are.
RE: I really don't think Austin is going down.  
rich in DC : 5/25/2018 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13975199 Ace718 said:
Quote:
They might go back to 12 pitchers.


There are no NL games on the schedule for a while. Why would you add an extra bat?

Think logically, not emotionally.

When Bird returns, he will get regular ABs- so will Torres, Didi, Andujar, Judge, Gardner, Stanton and Hicks. When is Austin going to play? Is he going to play ahead of Walker?

Austin is better off going to AAA to get regular ABs. It isn't always the team with the best players that wins in the end- it is the team that has enough depth to overcome injuries, ineffectiveness and trades. Austin is a depth piece, not a starting piece. He needs to be kept fresh for if and when he is needed again.

Logic, not emotion.
Kratz traded to the Brewers.  
Ryan in Albany : 5/25/2018 12:50 pm : link
Didn't even realize he was still in the organization.
RE: You don’t tire of talking down to people, do you?  
rich in DC : 5/25/2018 12:51 pm : link
In comment 13975207 bigbluehoya said:
Quote:
Clearly you’re an informed fan, but you have a knack for coming off as a dickhead.

We’ll see if you’re as dead-on-balls-accurate as you think you are.


Throw insults all you want. Means nothing to me- I don't know you or care to.

If you want to debate, fine. However, this isn't the first time that I pointed out where your idea was not a good one- and instead of replying with a reason why your idea was right, you resorted to insults.

Play your game with someone else.
Get back to stating your opinions as fact  
bigbluehoya : 5/25/2018 12:52 pm : link
Don’t let anything get in your way.
you keep framing this as "vet vs. young player"  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2018 12:56 pm : link
But Drury is only two years older than Andujar.
Just for the record Drury is 25  
arniefez : 5/25/2018 1:01 pm : link
and Andujar is 23. Drury is not an old Girardi vet and he's a young guy Cashman has been after for several years. However if he's trying to play with blurred vision he's going to stay at AAA until it improves.

As far as Andujar playing good defense? I guess that means he hasn't made many errors? Because by every defensive analytic available he's a historically bad 3B. We know the Yankees like him a lot and they don't really have any other options at 3B right now so they'll live with him and see how fast he can improve.
Andujar is playing well enough  
bigbluehoya : 5/25/2018 1:05 pm : link
That there’s absolutely no reason to rush Drury. He’ll stay down until he’s 100%. No dispute there.

We know the org likes patience/discipline, and I think Andujar ultimately spends some time back in AAA with a focus on pitch recognition and selectiveness.
Historically bad is silly  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2018 1:09 pm : link
He isn't that, regardless of what SSS defensive metrics which are questionable in the first place may say. He's not good at this point, though.
.  
Bill2 : 5/25/2018 1:59 pm : link
Everytime you come on a Yankee thread you have a choice:

1)Add your opinion to the conversation ( which over the years has proven layered with date and insights and argumentation but no better in the end than anyone else who posts well).

2) read through the thread and put down other posters.

One of those two is a contribution to the site and the other is so obviously neediness that its embarrassing to witness.

Fact.

Dont answer. That just shows its right as rain with lack of emotional intelligence besides.

Pick the one you want to represent who you are. In a few weeks you will feel better and be more welcome.

Take care
Andujar's UZR/150 is -24  
arniefez : 5/25/2018 2:10 pm : link
That's historically bad. Last year the worst 3B in MLB with over 1000 innings was - 9. We can debate how accurate defensive metrics are and if they really mean anything. But going by what's publicly available that's historically bad. Going by the eye ball test he's been better than I saw in MiLB so hopefully he keeps getting better.

When Graig Nettles started his career he was a weak defender. Guys can get better. Maybe not Nettles better but at least MLB average better. I bring up Nettles because thats what I think Andujar is going to be as a hitter at 3B. Second part of the order power 3B with something like 250/330/450.
RE: Sorry, back-end bullpen guy...  
Dave in Buffalo : 5/25/2018 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13975037 Dunedin81 said:
Quote:
As for Swanson, I saw him pitch a couple weeks ago, before the promotion. Good stuff, I just don't see a put-away pitch in his repertoire. I know his K rates in the minors are quite good, but in the high minors and the majors players aren't going to chase average breaking stuff. He does not allow much hard contact though, so that's a plus for him.


Another guy making a name for himself this year is Garrett Whitlock. Although, he's a likely a couple years away, or more.

Garrett Whitlock is emerging as the Yankees’ latest find in the late rounds of the draft - ( New Window )
Bill  
bigbluehoya : 5/25/2018 2:30 pm : link
I don’t disagree with anything you said.

I contribute on these threads regularly, and I rarely have a negative word to say to anyone.

I feel like the tone from Rich is regularly condescending and unnecessary. I pointed it out. I suppose I could have used softer language, but I don’t think the callout was unjustified. I certainly wasn’t scrolling through he thread spraying personal attacks.

I’d be the first to tell you that the threads are significantly better for rich’s contributons. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to do better on tone and the way we interact with one another.

To the extent that this has turned into a sidebar distracting from the topic of discussion, I apologize for that.

Enjoy the long weekend.
Andujar is likely a better contact hitter than Nettles  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2018 2:36 pm : link
He can probably be a .280+ hitter long term at this level. Just won't walk much unless he changes his approach.
We've seen Yankee hitters  
Kyle in NY : 5/25/2018 2:43 pm : link
like Didi or Cano, who came in as hackers that rarely took walks, eventually amend their approach to take more walks. Didi we've seen it happen just this season. So there is hope that Andujar can develop a more selective eye if it is emphasized to him as something to work on. He doesn't need to walk like Judge to be successful. Something around a 4-5% walk rate would be nice eventually.

What's nice about Andujar is that even though he's a free swinger, he makes a good bit of contact and his K numbers are not bad.
Dave  
Dunedin81 : 5/25/2018 2:49 pm : link
Whitlock is having a great year, as are Nick Nelson (dud last night though) and Trevor Stephan (dud the other night). Johnathan Loaisiga could contribute this year but probably not in the rotation. JP Sears was leading the minors in WHIP for awhile, and Nick Green's GB rate is absurd. Mike King has also been effective, and Dalton Lehnen is a southpaw SP with an MLB ceiling. A lot of breakouts and mini-breakouts so far this year, and short-season hasn't even started.

Janson Junk made his second start of the year a couple nights ago. First was a dud, second was respectable (4 IP, 2 ER), but he has a huge FB - high 90's with movement. Another guy to watch.
big bluehoya  
Bill2 : 5/25/2018 3:17 pm : link
Totally agree on all points, especially that Rich can be a great contributor.

Its going to be a good five to ten years ahead.

We may not be ready this year. We will lose a close one. We will have injuries and frustrating periods of baseball.

We shouldnt add to the downsides of emotion in the midst of a wonderful era.

And i base that on sitting through doubleheaders when absent Stottlemyre we had Jake Gibbs to root for
Close one  
Bill2 : 5/25/2018 3:18 pm : link
Meaning lose a close playoff series.

Its baseball Suzn
I just told someone the other day  
arniefez : 5/25/2018 3:37 pm : link
I'm going to have so much fun watching the games this year and enjoying the fireworks. None of the joyless Jeter nonsense of worrying about winning the WS everyday. I'll deal with the playoffs when they get here.
RE: Dave  
Dave in Buffalo : 5/25/2018 5:48 pm : link
In comment 13975361 Dunedin81 said:
Quote:
Whitlock is having a great year, as are Nick Nelson (dud last night though) and Trevor Stephan (dud the other night). Johnathan Loaisiga could contribute this year but probably not in the rotation. JP Sears was leading the minors in WHIP for awhile, and Nick Green's GB rate is absurd. Mike King has also been effective, and Dalton Lehnen is a southpaw SP with an MLB ceiling. A lot of breakouts and mini-breakouts so far this year, and short-season hasn't even started.

Janson Junk made his second start of the year a couple nights ago. First was a dud, second was respectable (4 IP, 2 ER), but he has a huge FB - high 90's with movement. Another guy to watch.


Seems like a lot of intriguing prospects and much to be excited about!
Pages: 1 2 <<Prev | Show All |
Back to the Corner