The offense has been showing a lot of RPO’s (run-pass options) during drills. The Giants didn’t do a ton of that last year, and it looks like it might be slightly more prominent in Pat Shurmur’s offense. A RPO does not require a quarterback to run it. They will either hand it off, or hold it and throw a pass based on how they read the defense. It is a good way for Manning to use his intelligence and experience to help the team win games.
That type of option would be good for getting him physical mismatches. If covered by a LB, option to pass. If covered by a DB, option to run where he will have substantial size advantage for his block.
It's been the most productive trend offensively in the NFL the past few years. Why wouldn't we want to incorporate it?
Because it's not RPO. It's the option, the old fashioned middle school and high school option. It's not fancy, it's not nuanced, it's not new it's not "RPO". It's the option and it's simple to defend once you smack the QB in the mouth and a DE decleats the RB running the fake. Most productive trend offensively? Where the fuck are you getting that nonsense?
It's been the most productive trend offensively in the NFL the past few years. Why wouldn't we want to incorporate it?
Because it's not RPO. It's the option, the old fashioned middle school and high school option. It's not fancy, it's not nuanced, it's not new it's not "RPO". It's the option and it's simple to defend once you smack the QB in the mouth and a DE decleats the RB running the fake. Most productive trend offensively? Where the fuck are you getting that nonsense?
It's not the good old fashion option, that Quincy Carter ran in Dallas, or the Read-Option Kaep ran in San Fran.
There is an option to run or pass, but it's not like Eli is going to run out there and run a speed option and pitch to the RB, and get crushed in the process.
And before you go there, yes an option offense does have an option pass that this probably evolved from.
and I will probably get hammered for it but....can someone explain what the difference is between RPO and play action pass?? Is it that the "R" in RPO is the QB running? If not, then it seems like the same thing as play action, no? If it is the QB running, no one in their right mind will bite on this if with Manning as the QB.
and I will probably get hammered for it but....can someone explain what the difference is between RPO and play action pass?? Is it that the "R" in RPO is the QB running? If not, then it seems like the same thing as play action, no? If it is the QB running, no one in their right mind will bite on this if with Manning as the QB.
Sorry, should have put this on the RPO thread. I see some comments there that answer my question!
and I will probably get hammered for it but....can someone explain what the difference is between RPO and play action pass?? Is it that the "R" in RPO is the QB running? If not, then it seems like the same thing as play action, no? If it is the QB running, no one in their right mind will bite on this if with Manning as the QB.
Sorry, should have put this on the RPO thread. I see some comments there that answer my question!
Playaction, you are going to throw the ball no matter what. An RPO the QB has the option to run or pass, depending on how the defense defends the play. QB has the option to keep it a run or a pass.
and I will probably get hammered for it but....can someone explain what the difference is between RPO and play action pass?? Is it that the "R" in RPO is the QB running? If not, then it seems like the same thing as play action, no? If it is the QB running, no one in their right mind will bite on this if with Manning as the QB.
Sorry, should have put this on the RPO thread. I see some comments there that answer my question!
Playaction, you are going to throw the ball no matter what. An RPO the QB has the option to run or pass, depending on how the defense defends the play. QB has the option to keep it a run or a pass.
But isn't the "action" in play action a fake handoff? They fake like they are going to run with the action of a handoff (pull the LB up) then pull out and throw. This seems like the same intent as the RPO. You and either do the handoff or throw. I guess it becomes a "playaction" once they decide to throw it.
and I will probably get hammered for it but....can someone explain what the difference is between RPO and play action pass?? Is it that the "R" in RPO is the QB running? If not, then it seems like the same thing as play action, no? If it is the QB running, no one in their right mind will bite on this if with Manning as the QB.
Sorry, should have put this on the RPO thread. I see some comments there that answer my question!
Playaction, you are going to throw the ball no matter what. An RPO the QB has the option to run or pass, depending on how the defense defends the play. QB has the option to keep it a run or a pass.
But isn't the "action" in play action a fake handoff? They fake like they are going to run with the action of a handoff (pull the LB up) then pull out and throw. This seems like the same intent as the RPO. You and either do the handoff or throw. I guess it becomes a "playaction" once they decide to throw it.
A playaction pass will 100% be a pass, everytime. A playaction pass, the QB will never ever hand the ball off. It’s 100% a throw from the call.
An RPO you have the option to run or pass depending on how the defense attacks. If they submit more people to the box, the QB will pull the ball up and throw. Is they shit back against the pass,they will hand the ball off. That’s the main difference, a playaction pass the Rb will never run the ball.
and I will probably get hammered for it but....can someone explain what the difference is between RPO and play action pass?? Is it that the "R" in RPO is the QB running? If not, then it seems like the same thing as play action, no? If it is the QB running, no one in their right mind will bite on this if with Manning as the QB.
Sorry, should have put this on the RPO thread. I see some comments there that answer my question!
Playaction, you are going to throw the ball no matter what. An RPO the QB has the option to run or pass, depending on how the defense defends the play. QB has the option to keep it a run or a pass.
But isn't the "action" in play action a fake handoff? They fake like they are going to run with the action of a handoff (pull the LB up) then pull out and throw. This seems like the same intent as the RPO. You and either do the handoff or throw. I guess it becomes a "playaction" once they decide to throw it.
A playaction pass will 100% be a pass, everytime. A playaction pass, the QB will never ever hand the ball off. It’s 100% a throw from the call.
An RPO you have the option to run or pass depending on how the defense attacks. If they submit more people to the box, the QB will pull the ball up and throw. Is they shit back against the pass,they will hand the ball off. That’s the main difference, a playaction pass the Rb will never run the ball.
OK, got it, thanks! The play action call is made pre-snap regardless of the defensive formation (no decision). I guess I was also was mistaking RPO with the standard QB option where the QB decides to hand-off or run it himself.
Because it's not RPO. It's the option, the old fashioned middle school and high school option. It's not fancy, it's not nuanced, it's not new it's not "RPO". It's the option and it's simple to defend once you smack the QB in the mouth and a DE decleats the RB running the fake. Most productive trend offensively? Where the fuck are you getting that nonsense?
Not sure where you're coming from with this, but the trend I'm referring to is that teams are changing their offenses to incorporate RPO concepts into them. It's not a simple middle-school option, and it sure as hell isn't easy to defend. There's a reason that Philly averaged over 400 yards in offense during the postseason with backup Nick Foles at QB. That includes btw over 500 yds of offense (and 41 points) against the most brilliant defensive mind of our generation in the Super Bowl. It also includes beating the team ranked #1 in total defense for the year (Minny) by scoring 38 points and almost 400 yards.
Joey - no doubt you know your football but sometimes you're just wrong, and if you don't think the RPO is a trend in football then this is one of those times. The Giants and other teams aren't simply copying the success of the Eagles, they are installing the RPO as a feature of their offense to make it more competitive, just like many teams already did last year. Shula was running it in Carolina, and Shurmur was learning concepts of it under Chip Kelly years ago. Read this article about the number of teams incorporating RPO concepts into their offenses written last August[, correctly predicting that it would be the play that defined the 2017 season.
This is not an option play. This is a different way to make calls and decisions at the LOS, and it's capable of being used in almost any style of offense. Think of it more like an audible, except the QB doesn't tell anyone and doesn't decide until after the snap. But the running and passing concepts as well as formations can be consistent with basically any pro-style offense.
The thing about the RPO is that it is developing... Â
more and more each year. Yes, when running an RPO a lot of teams read the edge defender on the LOS to determine whether to run/pass (done at the mesh point) but that was first implemented years ago. Offenses have gotten much more complex since then, and defenses are having to guess about the keys the offenses are reading. Here's an interesting article about defending it analyzing what Saban has successfully done (at times) in Alabama.
Between RPO and normal play action is the OL play.
In play action the OL are pass blocking so the only sell of the run comes from the fake handoff. In RPO you frequently have what can be best termed run action from your OL. In RPO the linemen engage like they would in run blocking vs pass blocking sets. This further sells the run pass option.
Not that anybody gives a damn, and I don’t come here for a sense of community anyway, but I do get tremendous enjoyment from a stinging left jab by dorgan being followed by a straight right from Joey.
The offense has been showing a lot of RPO’s (run-pass options) during drills. The Giants didn’t do a ton of that last year, and it looks like it might be slightly more prominent in Pat Shurmur’s offense. A RPO does not require a quarterback to run it. They will either hand it off, or hold it and throw a pass based on how they read the defense. It is a good way for Manning to use his intelligence and experience to help the team win games.
Works for me. I love that this staff wants this offense to evolve and adapt and utilize all avenues in order to succeed.
I've found that people simply don't like it because it's not perceived as "real football" if it's not some form of typical pro style offense.
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It's been the most productive trend offensively in the NFL the past few years. Why wouldn't we want to incorporate it?
I've found that people simply don't like it because it's not perceived as "real football" if it's not some form of typical pro style offense.
Exactly. Anything different than what people are used to seeing is considered a “gimmick”.
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It's been the most productive trend offensively in the NFL the past few years. Why wouldn't we want to incorporate it?
Because it's not RPO. It's the option, the old fashioned middle school and high school option. It's not fancy, it's not nuanced, it's not new it's not "RPO". It's the option and it's simple to defend once you smack the QB in the mouth and a DE decleats the RB running the fake. Most productive trend offensively? Where the fuck are you getting that nonsense?
It's not the good old fashion option, that Quincy Carter ran in Dallas, or the Read-Option Kaep ran in San Fran.
There is an option to run or pass, but it's not like Eli is going to run out there and run a speed option and pitch to the RB, and get crushed in the process.
And before you go there, yes an option offense does have an option pass that this probably evolved from.
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Sorry, should have put this on the RPO thread. I see some comments there that answer my question!
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and I will probably get hammered for it but....can someone explain what the difference is between RPO and play action pass?? Is it that the "R" in RPO is the QB running? If not, then it seems like the same thing as play action, no? If it is the QB running, no one in their right mind will bite on this if with Manning as the QB.
Sorry, should have put this on the RPO thread. I see some comments there that answer my question!
Playaction, you are going to throw the ball no matter what. An RPO the QB has the option to run or pass, depending on how the defense defends the play. QB has the option to keep it a run or a pass.
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and I will probably get hammered for it but....can someone explain what the difference is between RPO and play action pass?? Is it that the "R" in RPO is the QB running? If not, then it seems like the same thing as play action, no? If it is the QB running, no one in their right mind will bite on this if with Manning as the QB.
Sorry, should have put this on the RPO thread. I see some comments there that answer my question!
Playaction, you are going to throw the ball no matter what. An RPO the QB has the option to run or pass, depending on how the defense defends the play. QB has the option to keep it a run or a pass.
But isn't the "action" in play action a fake handoff? They fake like they are going to run with the action of a handoff (pull the LB up) then pull out and throw. This seems like the same intent as the RPO. You and either do the handoff or throw. I guess it becomes a "playaction" once they decide to throw it.
Run menas the RB gets the ball.
Pass means Eli throws it.
RPO doesn't mean the QB runs it.
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and I will probably get hammered for it but....can someone explain what the difference is between RPO and play action pass?? Is it that the "R" in RPO is the QB running? If not, then it seems like the same thing as play action, no? If it is the QB running, no one in their right mind will bite on this if with Manning as the QB.
Sorry, should have put this on the RPO thread. I see some comments there that answer my question!
Playaction, you are going to throw the ball no matter what. An RPO the QB has the option to run or pass, depending on how the defense defends the play. QB has the option to keep it a run or a pass.
But isn't the "action" in play action a fake handoff? They fake like they are going to run with the action of a handoff (pull the LB up) then pull out and throw. This seems like the same intent as the RPO. You and either do the handoff or throw. I guess it becomes a "playaction" once they decide to throw it.
A playaction pass will 100% be a pass, everytime. A playaction pass, the QB will never ever hand the ball off. It’s 100% a throw from the call.
An RPO you have the option to run or pass depending on how the defense attacks. If they submit more people to the box, the QB will pull the ball up and throw. Is they shit back against the pass,they will hand the ball off. That’s the main difference, a playaction pass the Rb will never run the ball.
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and I will probably get hammered for it but....can someone explain what the difference is between RPO and play action pass?? Is it that the "R" in RPO is the QB running? If not, then it seems like the same thing as play action, no? If it is the QB running, no one in their right mind will bite on this if with Manning as the QB.
Sorry, should have put this on the RPO thread. I see some comments there that answer my question!
Playaction, you are going to throw the ball no matter what. An RPO the QB has the option to run or pass, depending on how the defense defends the play. QB has the option to keep it a run or a pass.
But isn't the "action" in play action a fake handoff? They fake like they are going to run with the action of a handoff (pull the LB up) then pull out and throw. This seems like the same intent as the RPO. You and either do the handoff or throw. I guess it becomes a "playaction" once they decide to throw it.
A playaction pass will 100% be a pass, everytime. A playaction pass, the QB will never ever hand the ball off. It’s 100% a throw from the call.
An RPO you have the option to run or pass depending on how the defense attacks. If they submit more people to the box, the QB will pull the ball up and throw. Is they shit back against the pass,they will hand the ball off. That’s the main difference, a playaction pass the Rb will never run the ball.
OK, got it, thanks! The play action call is made pre-snap regardless of the defensive formation (no decision). I guess I was also was mistaking RPO with the standard QB option where the QB decides to hand-off or run it himself.
Not sure where you're coming from with this, but the trend I'm referring to is that teams are changing their offenses to incorporate RPO concepts into them. It's not a simple middle-school option, and it sure as hell isn't easy to defend. There's a reason that Philly averaged over 400 yards in offense during the postseason with backup Nick Foles at QB. That includes btw over 500 yds of offense (and 41 points) against the most brilliant defensive mind of our generation in the Super Bowl. It also includes beating the team ranked #1 in total defense for the year (Minny) by scoring 38 points and almost 400 yards.
Joey - no doubt you know your football but sometimes you're just wrong, and if you don't think the RPO is a trend in football then this is one of those times. The Giants and other teams aren't simply copying the success of the Eagles, they are installing the RPO as a feature of their offense to make it more competitive, just like many teams already did last year. Shula was running it in Carolina, and Shurmur was learning concepts of it under Chip Kelly years ago. Read this article about the number of teams incorporating RPO concepts into their offenses written last August[, correctly predicting that it would be the play that defined the 2017 season.
This is not an option play. This is a different way to make calls and decisions at the LOS, and it's capable of being used in almost any style of offense. Think of it more like an audible, except the QB doesn't tell anyone and doesn't decide until after the snap. But the running and passing concepts as well as formations can be consistent with basically any pro-style offense.
In play action the OL are pass blocking so the only sell of the run comes from the fake handoff. In RPO you frequently have what can be best termed run action from your OL. In RPO the linemen engage like they would in run blocking vs pass blocking sets. This further sells the run pass option.
Not that anybody gives a damn, and I don’t come here for a sense of community anyway, but I do get tremendous enjoyment from a stinging left jab by dorgan being followed by a straight right from Joey.
Keep up the good work.
Works for me. I love that this staff wants this offense to evolve and adapt and utilize all avenues in order to succeed.