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NFT: Solo: A Star Wars Story

Mr. Bungle : 5/24/2018 10:00 pm
Don't feel rushed to go see it. :/
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RE: Saw Solo this afternoon  
KWhite2250 : 5/30/2018 6:05 pm : link
In comment 13979221 mfsd said:
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Better than I expected, perhaps bc my expectations were lowered by reviews and the new trilogy

The good:

Chewie
The actor playing Han - worthy effort
Woody Harrelson’s character was generally meh, but he was still good because Woody Harrelson
Good job weaving in some of the music from the original trilogy - yes, the tie fighter chase was a rip off from Empire, but it was still cool
I liked how Han and Danaerys’s relationship was doomed - didn’t want to see a sappy ending to that
Emilia Clarke - just hawt

The mixed:

Lando - likable and funny at times, but the actor overacted the part too. The love affair with the robot was ok and amusing, until the part where he’s holding “her” and crying
The original trilogy nostalgia - sometimes forced, but still cool to see and hear some elements

The bad:

Overdose of politics, as usual. We get it, war is evil.
The creepy slug woman at the beginning - egad
Paul Bettany didn’t do it for me as the bad guy. I think they were trying to go the stylish Bond villian type, but I just thought he was a pussy
Darth Maul at the end - I remember thinking I wish they revealed more of his backstory in the prequels - but as soon as he opened his mouth in this one, he sounded like a twit

Anyways, overall a fun and decent effort, if you don’t expect too much. IMO


If you havent watched Clone Wars and Rebels then you should. You’ll get plenty on DM
Copy that thanks  
mfsd : 5/30/2018 6:11 pm : link
didn’t know there was more to his story there
ahhh  
giantfan2000 : 5/31/2018 8:19 am : link
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I'm just curious... what did you think you would see heading into the movie that was advertised as the backstory of Han Solo?


you can have a movie about early adventures of Han and Chewie without every major plot point coming from a line in the movie "A New Hope "..

for example - we know that Han won millennium falcon in a card game from lando
so any suspense of card game is completely gone .. why even show it ?

in addition any twist of one card game is just wasting time because you know there will be a SECOND card game before the movie is over...

just pretty pointless













LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/31/2018 8:25 am : link
I'm thinking the number of people who have bitched about this being a backstory have to be doing it to troll.

Because they sure seem like they were fucking clueless as to what the trailers and even the title of the damn movie hint at!
Probably mad  
KWhite2250 : 5/31/2018 8:38 am : link
They didnt get their boba fett and jabba. If star wars fans werent such gigantic babies, you would get those stories. But with nobody going to see this because of some stupid anger over Last Jedi, we wont be getting those stories
'so any suspense of card game is completely gone ..why even show it ?'  
schabadoo : 5/31/2018 11:18 am : link
I'm guessing a majority of viewers would've got the results of the card game an 90 minutes into the movie wrong. I'm surprised you saw it coming.
card game  
giantfan2000 : 5/31/2018 12:37 pm : link
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I'm guessing a majority of viewers would've got the results of the card game an 90 minutes into the movie wrong. I'm surprised you saw it coming.


Compare Solo with Batman Begins .. as far as origin stories

Everyone knows that Bruce Wayne witnesses his parents mugging death
Nolan wisely puts these murders at very beginning of movie but Nolan then adds depth to the act everyone knows that is coming -
Bruce is one that insist they leave theater because he is frightened of Opera that has BATS in it .. Later Bruce wants to kill the captured killer of his parents when he is up for parole but backs out of it . ..

Nolan uses Bruce Wayne's parent murders to move plot in a smart way and add depth and motivation to Bruce Wayne

<SPOILER ALERT>
Once again everyone knows Han wins Falcon in a card game -- showing a card game 90 minutes into the movie in where Han is losing the card game - is hardly a twist .. you know he ends up with falcon and there will be another card game
it doesn't add anything to the movie .or Han Solo as character .... it is just lazy screenwriting




Yeah that's demented  
schabadoo : 5/31/2018 1:19 pm : link
'People know the outcome of something at some point, so don't show it'.
giantfan2000 -  
Mr. Bungle : 5/31/2018 1:30 pm : link
I agree with your general point. What some people apparently fail to realize is that you aren't criticizing the fact that this movie tells a backstory. (And it's preposterous to suggest that you or anyone went into this movie not knowing it was a backstory or are trolling because you didn't like how the backstory was handled.)

Backstories are very tricky stories to tell, because audiences already know a lot of the outcomes. There's an effective way to do it. And then there are many dull or lazy or clunky ways to do it. (The horrible Star Wars prequels are the best examples of that.)

Your Batman Begins example is a good example of how to do good things with a backstory. Some other good examples are The Godfather Part II, Better Call Saul, and, much closer to home, Rogue One: A Star Wars Story.

I didn't hate Solo: A Star Wars Story. But I doubt I'll watch it again. There was just nothing imaginative about it to me. And saying, "Well, it's a backstory! What do you expect?!" isn't a satisfactory counterpoint.
RE: ahhh  
Matt M. : 5/31/2018 2:15 pm : link
In comment 13979614 giantfan2000 said:
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I'm just curious... what did you think you would see heading into the movie that was advertised as the backstory of Han Solo?



you can have a movie about early adventures of Han and Chewie without every major plot point coming from a line in the movie "A New Hope "..

for example - we know that Han won millennium falcon in a card game from lando
so any suspense of card game is completely gone .. why even show it ?

in addition any twist of one card game is just wasting time because you know there will be a SECOND card game before the movie is over...

just pretty pointless












But, the suspense wasn't gone. It was done well and answered some questions.
How do you even compare Batman Begins to Solo?  
Giantology : 5/31/2018 2:19 pm : link
I mean, first of all there have been multiple Batman origin stories in the films and comics - so there are a lot of different ways you can go with it with the audience not knowing what comes next.

That is vastly different than a character that has had one accepted story/origin etc. I don't disagree that there was a sense of anticlimax, but that is to be expected to some extent when you are telling the backstory of characters we know will live on.

The movie you want to see will be Solo 2- with the backstory out of the way, it will just be Han and Chewie running odd smuggling jobs and getting in and out of trouble.
It would've been..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/31/2018 2:22 pm : link
really awesome if they killed Solo off at the end.

Talk about a mindfuck!!!
I’m a little confused about the timing of the movie  
mfsd : 5/31/2018 2:35 pm : link
in the Star Wars universe

In this one, Han is likely early 20s? And at the end, Darth Maul is still alive and directing traffic

We all know Darth Maul is killed at the end of Phantom Menace - when Anakin is a kid

Thus - Luke is born when? Maybe 20-25 years after the events of Phantom Menace?

So during A New Hope, Luke is maybe 18-20-ish - meaning A New Hope takes place, conservatively, about 40-50 years after Solo

That would make Han about 60-70, at the youngest, during A New Hope.

Anyone better read on the Star Wars universe out there who can confirm or correct me if I’m wrong on this? Or is this simply stretching reality in the movies?
OK searching the interwebs a little more helps explain that one  
mfsd : 5/31/2018 2:44 pm : link
Apparently Darth Maul survived the events of Phantom Menace, thus pegging the timeline to his death isn’t accurate - this article helped explain
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RE: I’m a little confused about the timing of the movie  
Matt M. : 5/31/2018 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13980167 mfsd said:
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in the Star Wars universe

In this one, Han is likely early 20s? And at the end, Darth Maul is still alive and directing traffic

We all know Darth Maul is killed at the end of Phantom Menace - when Anakin is a kid

Thus - Luke is born when? Maybe 20-25 years after the events of Phantom Menace?

So during A New Hope, Luke is maybe 18-20-ish - meaning A New Hope takes place, conservatively, about 40-50 years after Solo

That would make Han about 60-70, at the youngest, during A New Hope.

Anyone better read on the Star Wars universe out there who can confirm or correct me if I’m wrong on this? Or is this simply stretching reality in the movies?
According to the Clone Wars show and some newer Star Wars Universe print material, Darth Maul never died. The light saber essentially cauterized his wound and his brother (I think) saved him. He now has robotic legs. I don't know any of the rest of that story; this was passed on to me by my kids.
It happens shortly before A New Hope  
Britt in VA : 5/31/2018 2:45 pm : link
Darth Maul survived being cut in half by Obi Wan (Clone Wars cartoon).

Han Solo is in his 20's in this. He's in his 30's in New Hope. So about 10 years or so before A New Hope.
At the end, the Gangster Han is off to see on Tatooine is obviously  
Britt in VA : 5/31/2018 2:46 pm : link
Jabba.

So during that timeframe in between Solo and A New Hope, Han runs into trouble with Jabba and then we meet up with Han after that fact in A New Hope.
RE: At the end, the Gangster Han is off to see on Tatooine is obviously  
mfsd : 5/31/2018 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13980194 Britt in VA said:
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Jabba.

So during that timeframe in between Solo and A New Hope, Han runs into trouble with Jabba and then we meet up with Han after that fact in A New Hope.


Yup that makes sense, thanks gents. Darth Mauls reappearance threw me off
RE: card game  
JOrthman : 5/31/2018 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13979972 giantfan2000 said:
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I'm guessing a majority of viewers would've got the results of the card game an 90 minutes into the movie wrong. I'm surprised you saw it coming.



Compare Solo with Batman Begins .. as far as origin stories

Everyone knows that Bruce Wayne witnesses his parents mugging death
Nolan wisely puts these murders at very beginning of movie but Nolan then adds depth to the act everyone knows that is coming -
Bruce is one that insist they leave theater because he is frightened of Opera that has BATS in it .. Later Bruce wants to kill the captured killer of his parents when he is up for parole but backs out of it . ..

Nolan uses Bruce Wayne's parent murders to move plot in a smart way and add depth and motivation to Bruce Wayne

<SPOILER ALERT>
Once again everyone knows Han wins Falcon in a card game -- showing a card game 90 minutes into the movie in where Han is losing the card game - is hardly a twist .. you know he ends up with falcon and there will be another card game
it doesn't add anything to the movie .or Han Solo as character .... it is just lazy screenwriting





But...it's a prequel
RE: RE: card game  
KWhite2250 : 5/31/2018 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13980260 JOrthman said:
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In comment 13979972 giantfan2000 said:


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I'm guessing a majority of viewers would've got the results of the card game an 90 minutes into the movie wrong. I'm surprised you saw it coming.



Compare Solo with Batman Begins .. as far as origin stories

Everyone knows that Bruce Wayne witnesses his parents mugging death
Nolan wisely puts these murders at very beginning of movie but Nolan then adds depth to the act everyone knows that is coming -
Bruce is one that insist they leave theater because he is frightened of Opera that has BATS in it .. Later Bruce wants to kill the captured killer of his parents when he is up for parole but backs out of it . ..

Nolan uses Bruce Wayne's parent murders to move plot in a smart way and add depth and motivation to Bruce Wayne

<SPOILER ALERT>
Once again everyone knows Han wins Falcon in a card game -- showing a card game 90 minutes into the movie in where Han is losing the card game - is hardly a twist .. you know he ends up with falcon and there will be another card game
it doesn't add anything to the movie .or Han Solo as character .... it is just lazy screenwriting







But...it's a prequel


The Clone Wars is really good if you can survive the awful animated movie that started it all. It takes awhile to get great. But the Maul stuff is great. And then Rebels is great. The way Rebels ends, tells me they might use some of those characters later on. Think a new animated show is coming this Sept also.
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 5/31/2018 4:25 pm : link
1) Since Disney threw out the Expanded Universe to begin with, who's to say any previous backstories had to be used?

2) Along those lines, if Han lost the card game, who's to say another one follows? They could have changed the story?

3) Who's to say he ended up with the Falcon to end this movie? There were plans for a sequel to this.

4) We also knew Han rescued Chewie and other Wookies from slavery, so why show that? Etc.

5) Back to the Falcon, it was never clear anyway. From Empire we heard Lando say Han cheated him and Han say he won it fair and square. This put a story to it and I think it was actually done quite well. Lando is more of a scoundrel than Han; he just presents it in a nicer package.
I thought Roger Ebert’s review here was pretty spot on  
mfsd : 5/31/2018 5:48 pm : link
He makes the point that what set Rogue One “free”, if you will, was outside of arriving at the inevitable ending with Vader, Tarkin, and Leia, it was able to create entirely new characters without having to tie them to their previously revealed backstory.

I agree with his quote here, but I can see why some wouldn’t:

“It's checklist mythology, but thankfully served up with enough panache to make the trip engaging.”
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RE: I thought Roger Ebert’s review here was pretty spot on  
Matt M. : 5/31/2018 6:03 pm : link
In comment 13980387 mfsd said:
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He makes the point that what set Rogue One “free”, if you will, was outside of arriving at the inevitable ending with Vader, Tarkin, and Leia, it was able to create entirely new characters without having to tie them to their previously revealed backstory.

I agree with his quote here, but I can see why some wouldn’t:

“It's checklist mythology, but thankfully served up with enough panache to make the trip engaging.” Link - ( New Window )
I didn't find it that way. There was enough of a story and new characters and it was shot and told such that it was an engaging, fun experience.
It starts in 10 minutes  
UConn4523 : 5/31/2018 6:05 pm : link
my pansexual juices are A flowin’
RE: RE: I thought Roger Ebert’s review here was pretty spot on  
mfsd : 5/31/2018 6:59 pm : link
In comment 13980405 Matt M. said:
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In comment 13980387 mfsd said:


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He makes the point that what set Rogue One “free”, if you will, was outside of arriving at the inevitable ending with Vader, Tarkin, and Leia, it was able to create entirely new characters without having to tie them to their previously revealed backstory.

I agree with his quote here, but I can see why some wouldn’t:

“It's checklist mythology, but thankfully served up with enough panache to make the trip engaging.” Link - ( New Window )

I didn't find it that way. There was enough of a story and new characters and it was shot and told such that it was an engaging, fun experience.


Generally I agree with you - I guess some folks wanted a total break from the backstory...we all know Han wins the Falcon from Lando in a card game, I wanted to see it play out, and I thought it was fun how they pulled it off

I also really like setting Qi’ra up as an unknown, possible new quasi-Sith apprentice for Darth Maul. Did not see that coming, creates a lot of options for another movie or two

As I said above I thought Paul Bettany was a total dud as the villain - didn’t realize until after seeing it that was supposed to be a CGI villain played by Michael Kenneth Williams, but that part got scratched and recast bc he wasn’t available to do all the re-shoots they had to do - which helps explain why they whiffed with Bettany

Omar as a Star Wars villain - now that would have been fun!
Liked it more than I thought I would  
UConn4523 : 5/31/2018 10:07 pm : link
Han was great, not overdone, just the right amount of smug. How him and Chewy met and evolved into a duo was really fun despite knowing how it would go down. I’m a huge Donald Glover fan so I liked his Lando, not sure what the overacting comment was about from earlier in the thread but I didn’t see it. Clarke is hot as fuck and Harrelson is always rock solid.

The whole pansexual thing is even more hilarious after seeing the movie. The “that’s cute” line was something you’d say to one of your friends to mock them and his “relationship” with the droid was no different than Luke’s with R2D2 except it was “female”. I’m glad something so insignificant and non existent pissed off TLG as much as it did, though.
Roger Ebert has been dead for years.  
Mr. Bungle : 6/1/2018 9:34 am : link
He didn't write that review.
RE: Roger Ebert has been dead for years.  
jcn56 : 6/1/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 13980973 Mr. Bungle said:
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He didn't write that review.


His Force ghost wrote it.
RE: Roger Ebert has been dead for years.  
mfsd : 6/1/2018 9:56 am : link
In comment 13980973 Mr. Bungle said:
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He didn't write that review.


lol. That didn’t even occur to me until I saw your post. I saw rogerebert.com and didn’t think further
Seeing it this weekend...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/1/2018 11:21 am : link
Worth it?
RE: Seeing it this weekend...  
Giantology : 6/1/2018 11:31 am : link
In comment 13981103 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Worth it?


For sure
I saw it  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/4/2018 11:54 am : link
yesterday. It was enjoyable. A bit long, but good.
Really liked it  
Andrew in Austin : 6/4/2018 12:04 pm : link
Saw it with the kids - we all had a blast and enjoyed it a ton!
Are you guys questioning  
UConn4523 : 6/4/2018 12:07 pm : link
your sexuality after seeing?
I think they are setting up  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/4/2018 12:57 pm : link
a Shadows of the Empire movie. They are doing Bobba Fett next, and Han and Bobba are really involved in that story.

I'm sure it will all come together.
Also I read someone describe the movie like this  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/4/2018 1:05 pm : link
I don't know how they made a movie that I vastly enjoyed, and don't really care about all that much afterwards.

I enjoyed it, I am sure it will pop on TV sometime, and I will enjoy it again, but its not anything I will seek out in the future.
Hated Last Jedi and liked this movie...  
GMAN4LIFE : 6/4/2018 1:17 pm : link
Solo was slow mid way but great when the falcon was doing its chase scenes.

Darth Maul appearance was a crazy one
I saw it and enjoyed a lot  
JerryNYG : 6/4/2018 1:23 pm : link
I can understand people liking or not liking it as is their taste, but some of the internet vitriol is hard to fathom.
I think I might have liked this movie more than any of the other  
jcn56 : 6/5/2018 11:45 pm : link
recent Star Wars movies, save for maybe Rogue One.

I didn't think much, if anything, of the backstory specifics. Yeah, it was fun to see Han and Chewy meet, and how Han gets the Falcon. But the movie was more to see young Han's character, how he evolved from youth into the pilot we meet in the canteena.

Beyond that, it's an action movie. Good villain. A complicated heist. Some double crossing. I enjoyed Harrelson's character more than most, maybe. I thought the actor who played Han (not even going to try to spell that name without Googling it) did a solid job as well. All too often, I think that the prequel type movies focus too much on getting doppelgangers, rather than a solid actor who fits the character. Really liked Glover's Lando, aside from the silliness with the robot (don't google that kids, you'll be scarred for life).

Watched it, enjoyed it, didn't feel like it lasted over 2 hours when it was done.
The movie was a lot of fun  
illmatic : 6/6/2018 12:36 am : link
I liked it more than Rogue One since I didn't care for half of the boring characters in that movie. The actors do a solid job here and the movie is just a fun ride in general.

I don't understand how anyone can detest this movie. It's one thing if you think it's just okay. But to hate it and say it's a waste of time? That's crazy to me. No way is the movie that bad.

I didn't care for the droid much at all which is weird because I usually love droids in Star Wars movies. Hell, HK-47 is probably my favorite Star Wars character ever. But L3 was kind of lame. Emilia Clarke did a great job as Qi'ra too. I wasn't expecting much from her but she delivered. I hope we see her character again in either a sequel or another spinoff film.
Agreed, anyone 'detesting'  
jcn56 : 6/6/2018 10:47 am : link
hating, or being angry after watching this movie should probably consider other pastimes.

I don't think it was any cinematic masterpiece, and I could understand some saying it's a watch once and discard type of movie, but unless you had some seriously unrealistic expectations I can't imagine how you end up really disappointed by this one.
I liked Last Jedi  
Rick5 : 6/6/2018 8:07 pm : link
a lot. I thought the Force Awakens was OK. I hated Rogue One. Solo was much better than I expected it to be.
A lot of you would consider  
Bill in UT : 6/6/2018 8:15 pm : link
my politics very right wing. I had read reviews on Right leaning sites about what a lefty abomination this movie was and wanted to boycott it. However, my wife and I go to all the Star Wars movies with my daughter, son-in-law and grandsons, so we went. Even looking for political perspectives, I found nothing offensive. It was boilerplate Star Wars, just good entertainment if you're into the series.
The original movies were political  
UConn4523 : 6/6/2018 8:24 pm : link
people up and arms about it being political in 2018 are ridiculous. Its literally the exact same undertones now as they were 40 years ago. People just want something to complain about.
I wnet to the movie..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/6/2018 8:39 pm : link
with few expectations and thought it was a good movie with excellent actions scenes. I didn't notice anything from a pansexual or political standpoint.

In that regard, Black Panther was much worse.

Basically, if you are looking for that type of thing, you'll have to go through some serious leaps like many do dissecting Sopranos episodes.
Not one BBIer who  
Pete in MD : 6/6/2018 8:57 pm : link
saw this movie immediately changed their sexual preferences?! How can that be?
I don't know  
Sneakers O'toole : 6/6/2018 9:15 pm : link
I saw it now I find all of my cookware extremely exciting
guys... this whole true fan argument  
ShocknAwe80 : 6/6/2018 11:05 pm : link
is just silly. Most of us saw the original movies when we were kids. They were groundbreaking, literally changed movies forever. Just go an rewatch the original trilogy and see how corny the jokes are, how cheesy some events are. This is all par for the course.
RE: Not one BBIer who  
Bill in UT : 6/7/2018 12:11 am : link
In comment 13985097 Pete in MD said:
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saw this movie immediately changed their sexual preferences?! How can that be?


To tell the truth, I've been porking robots since I saw the movie. But they're not my preference yet
RE: The movie was a lot of fun  
madgiantscow009 : 6/7/2018 12:34 am : link
In comment 13984443 illmatic said:
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I liked it more than Rogue One since I didn't care for half of the boring characters in that movie. The actors do a solid job here and the movie is just a fun ride in general.

I don't understand how anyone can detest this movie. It's one thing if you think it's just okay. But to hate it and say it's a waste of time? That's crazy to me. No way is the movie that bad.

I didn't care for the droid much at all which is weird because I usually love droids in Star Wars movies. Hell, HK-47 is probably my favorite Star Wars character ever. But L3 was kind of lame. Emilia Clarke did a great job as Qi'ra too. I wasn't expecting much from her but she delivered. I hope we see her character again in either a sequel or another spinoff film.


I didn't give HK-47 much of a chance and have heard great things since then about him.
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