It was better than I anticipated, although my expectations were not very high. It was no where near as good as Rogue One but a much better film than The Last Jedi.
A couple thoughts/notes without spoilers:
- It was billed as a "space western" and definitely lived up to that. It didn't feel like a traditional Star Wars film (as Rogue One did) but it was unique and interesting
- I thought the actor who played a young Han did a great job and carried the film and role well, despite all the huff about him needing "acting lessons"
- There were a couple things about the plot I didn't care for but they steered clear of the absurdly corny jokes/cheesy humor that were all too common in The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi
- Lando was not potrayed as a bisexual or "pansexual" (whatever the hell that is), that was just a rumor
Im looking forward to seeing Solo. The initial trailers didnt feel like SW which can be a good thing and seems like it was a fairly accurate observation. Ill probably see it at some point next week.
Did the guys behind you throw popcorn at you the whole time?
Disappointed maybe, but angry?!
I was infuriated when I walked out of The Last Jedi. A dumpster-fire of a film. I thought it basically ruined the franchise it was so bad. Most real fans felt this way.
One of the writers recently claimed is that Lando is pansxual
I cant stand when people say stuff like that. So were not real fans cause we enjoyed Last Jedi? Star wars fans are the best! I dont think it was great but i dont think its as awful as fanboys are whining about. I thought it was good. Lower than 4-7 and rogue one but alot better than 1-3. Guess im just a casual not real fan
RE: One of the writers recently claimed is that Lando is pansxual
seems like pandering to me, but Lando has always been an "I'll try anything once" sort of dude. Like living in a perpetual 70's.
Yeah, but some people immediately took that to mean men. I'm guessing the ones with obsessions over the Midwest Gay Club Scene.
I read it and thought back to the old Eddie Murphy bit about Capt. Kirk, and how he'd sleep with green women. Here, I'm thinking there's no alien strange that Lando won't buddy up to.
but the things that were good were really good (the ship crash, the Rey/Ren fight, Luke taking the blasters). The acting was also very good which has been a constant so far for the reboots.
seems like pandering to me, but Lando has always been an "I'll try anything once" sort of dude. Like living in a perpetual 70's.
Yeah, but some people immediately took that to mean men. I'm guessing the ones with obsessions over the Midwest Gay Club Scene.
I read it and thought back to the old Eddie Murphy bit about Capt. Kirk, and how he'd sleep with green women. Here, I'm thinking there's no alien strange that Lando won't buddy up to.
where people feel the need to love or hate something with very little middle ground and will shove it down your throat. Movies, sports, anything. I cant really comprehend hating TLJ so much that it made you angry, but to each their own.
viewings. Like Luke telling Rey "What did you think? I was just going to go down and face down the first empire with a laser sword?"
And then, that's exactly what he does (well, in Force projection).
And then when Kylo and Rey are communicating about force projecting, he says that Rey couldn't fully force project herself there because it would kill her. Setting up why it did kill Luke to do what he did.
This is one of my favorite visuals in the whole saga:
When the actor playing a star wars main character makes the rounds talking about pansexuality of his character that is a hard stop.
Why is there a discussion about the liberal sexual preferences of a star wars character at all? It's so bizarre. Blow shit up save the world from the bad guys and move on.
and thought it was very well done. It did not have the feel of a Star Wars movie, felt like a sci-fi heist/western. I thought the actors portrayed Han and Lando really well, and while I feel the story was a little convoluted at times, ultimately it made sense. I wouldn't say this is one of the best Star Wars movies, but I did enjoy it, and am actually going again on Sunday with my son. Overall, a lot of very good action, some cool new characters, definitely worth going to see.
When the actor playing a star wars main character makes the rounds talking about pansexuality of his character that is a hard stop.
Why is there a discussion about the liberal sexual preferences of a star wars character at all? It's so bizarre. Blow shit up save the world from the bad guys and move on. Lando - ( New Window )
Sounds like you are taking this way too literally. Are you otherwise familiar with Glover? He created a hit show on FX and its foundation is dark satire. His responses in that interview seem pretty tongue and cheek to me.
When the actor playing a star wars main character makes the rounds talking about pansexuality of his character that is a hard stop.
Why is there a discussion about the liberal sexual preferences of a star wars character at all? It's so bizarre. Blow shit up save the world from the bad guys and move on. Lando - ( New Window )
Sounds like you are taking this way too literally. Are you otherwise familiar with Glover? He created a hit show on FX and its foundation is dark satire. His responses in that interview seem pretty tongue and cheek to me.
The better question is, why do you care?
You know why I care. It's an attempt to normalize a belief system (pansexuality) that is by definition rooted in a mental disorder (according to the American Psychiatric Association).
Look at this thread. People are taking their 7 year olds. What if someone was ten and went home and googled Lando and read the articles. He or she would immediately accept this as normal behavior.
Again, it's star wars. Beat the Empire, blow things up and have it be that. This is why Hollywood is tanking. It's a huge turnoff to a huge portion of the country. This movie, which ten years ago would have crushed every box office record, will not surpass the memorial day weekend box office a few years ago that the 3rd Pirates of the Caribbean took in. Think about that. It's not an accident.
People are taking their 7 year olds. What if someone was ten and went home and googled Lando and read the articles. He or she would immediately accept this as normal behavior.
a fan for a long time. (My wife just bought me an Imperial Walker watch for our ten year wedding anniversary.) I think what Johnson did with Luke was genius. What a lot of fans "wanted" would have been incredibly cheesy and telegraphed. He was still a hero but not in the way anyone imagined. I do wish he would have lived so he could pop-up at some point in the future but that is still likely to happen as a Force Ghost.
But the Star Wars brand under Disney has felt completely rudderless and without a lot of foresight/planning.
JJ Abrams chocked TFA full of mystery boxes and intrigue that pretty much set you up to wonder what the payoff was, even if you felt like you just watched a slightly reheated Episode IV. Instead of building off of any of that, TLJ took a hard turn on everything that was setup and disregard it to play the subversion game.
New ideas/approaches and not falling into tropes is not a bad thing, but I personally thought TLJ was not successful as a film and made TFA significantly worse by how it played out. Maybe it worked for some, but for the first time in the series the "universe" really shrunk with TLJ and there is no real interest in what happens next. We kept the cringe humor and bad acting the series is notorious for, but lost a lot of charm that makes it worth sitting through.
Solo seems to kind of continue with this - as its more of a cash in on the/one of the most popular character in the series, but it doesn't really add anything to the brand and completely misses that Harrison Ford is what people want to see, not how Han got his ship.
When you have Marvel sitting under the same Disney banner and able to deliver on a decade's worth of movies that somehow work together and culminate in an event movie that's shattering records, its baffling that this group could not string together 3 main movies that feel coherent (I'm handicapping Episode 9 before its released, I know) and a few side entries to expand the universe and introduce new characters/ideas.
successful brand though, rather, they are correcting the shit they produced in the 2000s.
Im of the belief that theres nothing they can do right with Star Wars, a huge population is simply going to hate them. They need to just move on and forget every character that we know, which I believe is what they are doing in the next reboot.
getting his own "fresh" trilogy? Like, within the SW universe but all new characters and storyline?
That's correct. Also, DB Weiss and Dave Benioff (from Game of Thrones TV show) are overseeing new Star Wars movie projects - no word yet on if it will be a trilogy or anything like that though.
where people feel the need to love or hate something with very little middle ground and will shove it down your throat. Movies, sports, anything. I cant really comprehend hating TLJ so much that it made you angry, but to each their own.
Im thankful I dont know you in person. You are a fucking tool of epic proportions. I hope for your sake you can blame it on your own mental disorder.
Incidentally I consider myself a pretty nice guy and not a tool in any way. I'm generous, successful and an all around likable guy.
See that's the thing- my opinions (shared by a lot more people than your echo chamber may tell you) are just that...opinions. It's ok if you don't share them. I don't call people names on an anonymous message board in an effort to prove an ideological high ground. To each his own I guess.
successful brand though, rather, they are correcting the shit they produced in the 2000s.
Im of the belief that theres nothing they can do right with Star Wars, a huge population is simply going to hate them. They need to just move on and forget every character that we know, which I believe is what they are doing in the next reboot.
I agree with you completely, but the two films so far in the Sequel Trilogy do not play well together and that's the problem.
Either go full-in on the nostalgia and get 3 films out of the old-timers while you still can or jump far enough into the future that its plausible no one recalls the past events and blow open the galaxy with new faces, but familiar hallmarks. Deal with people calling it derivative or listen to them whine that their favorites aren't to be found, but have a coherent plot that flows through the 3 films. Don't half-ass it and try to take both directions and get 2/3 of the way through with a mess on your hands that does not work well together.
TLJ was really not done any favors by having to pickup mid-sentence from the TFA, but its been established Johnson wrote his initial script without seeing TFA (it was still shooting and no one apparently thought to get him notes) and it really shows.
where people feel the need to love or hate something with very little middle ground and will shove it down your throat. Movies, sports, anything. I cant really comprehend hating TLJ so much that it made you angry, but to each their own.
You get pretty angry on all the GoT threads! :-)
Theres 1 poster whom I wont name that gets angry. It certainly isnt me. I simply point out that he show is a soap opera now, much lower in quality than it used to be.
Im thankful I dont know you in person. You are a fucking tool of epic proportions. I hope for your sake you can blame it on your own mental disorder.
Incidentally I consider myself a pretty nice guy and not a tool in any way. I'm generous, successful and an all around likable guy.
See that's the thing- my opinions (shared by a lot more people than your echo chamber may tell you) are just that...opinions. It's ok if you don't share them. I don't call people names on an anonymous message board in an effort to prove an ideological high ground. To each his own I guess.
Have a great Memorial Day Weekend. Enjoy Solo.
Haha, ideological high ground like the one you displayed with your ridiculous comment. Forget laying off politics as a BBI rule, your viewpoint is laughable. But I guess thats just my opinion.
Enjoy your weekend as well.
I think that the primary thing that disappointed me about Solo
is that -- like the risk most prequels face -- the events in the narrative didn't seem like they naturally occurred as an unfolding story. It felt more like checking off the boxes of Han's backstory that we first learned about from the original films.
To me, that difference is the difference between a written story and a manufactured plot -- a tangible difference to me as a movie watcher. I love the former and tend to dismiss the latter.
For the sake of people who haven't seen the movie yet, I'm not going to specify what those are here, even though they aren't secrets. But when you think about it, the "check off the boxes" approach tends to cram a bunch of backstory milestones into a short period of time in the character's life (covered by the prequel movie), even though there's little reason to believe they all had to happen in such a compressed time frame. That happens in this movie (for me). A bunch of big things in Han's past all kind of happen in a short period of time. It feels manufactured that way.
That also why I really like Rogue One, even though it's a prequel. Yes, we knew going in that plans to the Death Star were going to be stolen, but what else did we know -- especially about the characters? Pretty much nothing, which is why their story unfolded more naturally than a bunch of mechanical "check off the box" scenes where we're meant to think, "Ah, so that's how that happened!"
People are taking their 7 year olds. What if someone was ten and went home and googled Lando and read the articles. He or she would immediately accept this as normal behavior.
IT'S. NOT. IN. THE. MOVIE.
Yes, but what about the interwebs?
That 10 year old surfing by himself could learn all kinds of things about Star Wars!
And about cooking crystal meth, what a Cleveland Steamer is, and so on, but we're talking Disney here.
Me too. But, I thought it would have been much better if it were real. I know they dumped the expanded universe. But, for 30 years many have read about Luke growing into the most powerful Jedi ever. Hell, even in a backstory for this trilogy there was a story about Luke taking down one of those junked star destroyers on Jaku by himself from the ground. In that vein, it would have been so cool for Luke to actually have walked out there and survived all that firepower.
I liked the film better the second time I saw it after there was no longer any surprise or freshness to how Johnson portrayed Luke. But, as someone else said in this thread, the way they handled it, it would have been better off to have never incorporated Luke at all.
Plus, this trilogy is weird in how it is obviously using nostalgia as a hook and then ignoring the nostalgia at the same time. Strange decisions like Chewie walking right past Leia after returning from Starkiller base without Han. No hug. No acknowledgement by either one. Luke turned into a crotchety old man. No real acknowledgement between Luke and Chewie outside of a, "Chewie, what are you doing here?"
I have no problem with the buildup and then Luke dying. I do have a problem with how they portrayed his character and how they basically ignored his JEdi past and ignored what everyone was waiting for. The original trilogy we saw Luke grow into a Jedi, but really only scratch the surface of how power. After 30 fucking years and 2 movies, we are still waiting. That was bullshit. Also, as pointed out, Last Jedi as a stand alone movie was probably better than as a piece of this trilogy. It was often disjointed and now all the tales about Johnson's work on it back that up.
Lastly, the original trilogy, plus the prequels were about the Skywalker family. Again, I know the expanded universe was scrapped and Lucas is no longer in charge or the owner of the product. But, the vision was always for another trilogy to complete that saga. Even if this was not that vision, to essentially write off Luke as a bit character is ridiculous. Either include the original characters for a purpose or don't include them at all. In some ways, I feel like that film wasted my time.
I will be seeing it Sat. So, I can't yet comment on it overall. But, to the poster who says it felt forced that all of these back story checklist items happened in such a short period of time was forced...I say not really. Han was very young in A New Hope. Luke was younger, which made Han seem a little older. But, that Han was not very far removed from the Han in this movie. And, the backstory that most of us knew about was all from Han's early 20s, which is this movie.
I will be seeing it Sat. So, I can't yet comment on it overall. But, to the poster who says it felt forced that all of these back story checklist items happened in such a short period of time was forced...I say not really. Han was very young in A New Hope. Luke was younger, which made Han seem a little older. But, that Han was not very far removed from the Han in this movie. And, the backstory that most of us knew about was all from Han's early 20s, which is this movie.
Matt, that was me.
And to that, I say get back to me after you see the movie. It's one thing to say that these milestones all happened in Han's life when he was in his early/mid-20s. It's another thing to say they basically happened one after another in a single year of his life. It didn't work for me.
I will be seeing it Sat. So, I can't yet comment on it overall. But, to the poster who says it felt forced that all of these back story checklist items happened in such a short period of time was forced...I say not really. Han was very young in A New Hope. Luke was younger, which made Han seem a little older. But, that Han was not very far removed from the Han in this movie. And, the backstory that most of us knew about was all from Han's early 20s, which is this movie.
Matt, that was me.
And to that, I say get back to me after you see the movie. It's one thing to say that these milestones all happened in Han's life when he was in his early/mid-20s. It's another thing to say they basically happened one after another in a single year of his life. It didn't work for me.
It very well may have been forced in this movie and I am interested, more than anything else, to see him and Chewie come together. I am wondering if they ruin that well known back story. But, that sotory is absolutely on the heels of him leaving the Imperial academy and then moving directly into his smuggling career. So, the reality is, a lot of these central moments in his development did happen in a relatively short period of time.
I will be seeing it Sat. So, I can't yet comment on it overall. But, to the poster who says it felt forced that all of these back story checklist items happened in such a short period of time was forced...I say not really. Han was very young in A New Hope. Luke was younger, which made Han seem a little older. But, that Han was not very far removed from the Han in this movie. And, the backstory that most of us knew about was all from Han's early 20s, which is this movie.
Matt, that was me.
And to that, I say get back to me after you see the movie. It's one thing to say that these milestones all happened in Han's life when he was in his early/mid-20s. It's another thing to say they basically happened one after another in a single year of his life. It didn't work for me.
Unless they're planning multiple solo movies, they Kinda have to put them all in this one.
They definitely left it where they have 2 different movies they can create to follow after this. I dont see why everyone feels like they have to pick apart these movies so much. They are never going to be able to fulfill what the originals brought people. Especially the ones that were just kids and saw something the likes they had never seen before on film.
The story is the story and I take it as that. I am just glad they continue making them and dont care how many they make. I like going to the movies and I like Star Wars so its a win win for me.
While it wasnt the best Star Wars movie ever- it was a lot of fun. And I have to say, I was dead wrong about Alden Ehrenreich. I was worried he would be my least favorite part of the movie, but his performance grew on me as the movie went along.
into proper context please? While it's hinted at in the movie that he may swing both ways nobody involved with the film said he was "pansexual".
It began when interviewer flat out asked Lawrence Kasdan,"is Lando pansexual?" and he responded (and I'm paraphrasing) something to the effect of "yeah ok why not?"
Then the media ran with it. Then old white straight guys started with the, "ermagherd Lando is pansexual! Disney has an agenda! Millenials are weird! Herp derp".
I cant stand when people say stuff like that. So were not real fans cause we enjoyed Last Jedi? Star wars fans are the best! I dont think it was great but i dont think its as awful as fanboys are whining about. I thought it was good. Lower than 4-7 and rogue one but alot better than 1-3. Guess im just a casual not real fan
Exactly. I have been a Star Wars fan since I saw A New Hope when I was five years old and I feel exactly this way. I had Star Wars elements incorporated into my wedding (and I am a woman) including a Millenium Falcon wedding cake. The original trilogy will always be my favorite but I enjoyed The Last Jedi well enough. I am looking forward to seeing Solo.
and I loved it. I thought a lot of the media hints at a poor performance by Ehrenreich were way off base. He really did a good job getting Han's essence. The movie, from start to finish, was fun, funny, and packed with action. And it was not devoid of story, as someone here indicated.
I thought the introduction of Chewbacca was extremely well done and very much in line with the little bit of detail about this important event that has been shared for years.
This pan-sexual stuff is pure BS. First of all, nobody said this was the intention. Second, even in the movie did he come off as anything other than a suave lady-killer. If anything, it was his obvious connection to his female droid. But, the comment about Han being "adorable" was not made out of attraction. It was more a condescending, snarky remark about Han.
Anyway, I loved this movie and my kids loved it. We walked out wanting more and already wondering about what will come next.
There were some interesting cameos, this is the first Star Wars film C-3PO and R2-D2 are not in, and I like the take of "I've got a bad feeling..." used in this film.
but it is under-performing at the box office so far. That is what I've read so far. It is competing with DP2.
I think there was too much negativity in the media before the movie even came out. There were a ton of articles questioning whether Ehrenreich would ruin the movie without having seen anything more than the trailer. They took stories like Harrison Ford visited the set to mean Ehrenreich needed coaching, etc. There were also assumptions that the movie sucked because of the switch at director without any other real knowledge.
So, I think a lot of people were expecting a bad movie. The word of mouth should start to bolster the box office because this was a really fun movie.
but it is under-performing at the box office so far. That is what I've read so far. It is competing with DP2.
I think there was too much negativity in the media before the movie even came out. There were a ton of articles questioning whether Ehrenreich would ruin the movie without having seen anything more than the trailer. They took stories like Harrison Ford visited the set to mean Ehrenreich needed coaching, etc. There were also assumptions that the movie sucked because of the switch at director without any other real knowledge.
So, I think a lot of people were expecting a bad movie. The word of mouth should start to bolster the box office because this was a really fun movie.
I haven't seen a star wars movie since the Phantom Menace, but it seems like people believe the star wars producers and writers, etc....are showing the same contempt towards their fans as hollywood has been doing.
but it is under-performing at the box office so far. That is what I've read so far. It is competing with DP2.
I think there was too much negativity in the media before the movie even came out. There were a ton of articles questioning whether Ehrenreich would ruin the movie without having seen anything more than the trailer. They took stories like Harrison Ford visited the set to mean Ehrenreich needed coaching, etc. There were also assumptions that the movie sucked because of the switch at director without any other real knowledge.
So, I think a lot of people were expecting a bad movie. The word of mouth should start to bolster the box office because this was a really fun movie.
I haven't seen a star wars movie since the Phantom Menace, but it seems like people believe the star wars producers and writers, etc....are showing the same contempt towards their fans as hollywood has been doing.
I don't love the way the Disney/Lucasfilm people treat the true fans with the new prequel. But, this movie is nothing like that. It was a real hit, in my opinion.
When the actor playing a star wars main character makes the rounds talking about pansexuality of his character that is a hard stop.
Why is there a discussion about the liberal sexual preferences of a star wars character at all? It's so bizarre. Blow shit up save the world from the bad guys and move on. Lando - ( New Window )
Sounds like you are taking this way too literally. Are you otherwise familiar with Glover? He created a hit show on FX and its foundation is dark satire. His responses in that interview seem pretty tongue and cheek to me.
The better question is, why do you care?
You know why I care. It's an attempt to normalize a belief system (pansexuality) that is by definition rooted in a mental disorder (according to the American Psychiatric Association).
I'm curious to know what in DSM-V you are pulling this from.
You know why I care. It's an attempt to normalize a belief system (pansexuality) that is by definition rooted in a mental disorder (according to the American Psychiatric Association).
Look at this thread. People are taking their 7 year olds. What if someone was ten and went home and googled Lando and read the articles. He or she would immediately accept this as normal behavior.
And then this:
Quote:
See that's the thing- my opinions (shared by a lot more people than your echo chamber may tell you) are just that...opinions. It's ok if you don't share them. I don't call people names on an anonymous message board in an effort to prove an ideological high ground. To each his own I guess.
Work in harmony in someones mind? Its okay if you dont share my opinions, just make sure you dont share yours with anyone? Or, to each his own unless hes pansexual?
Should representations of people with mental illnesses be limited to them struggling to be cured? If so, there are way more films out there to be worried about that feature protagonists with mental disorders that dont focus on or include treatment. Or is it just this one type of disorder being normalized that threatens you?
And of course, if its a mental disorder or illness,
I've been obsessed with Star Wars pretty much since I was born in '77 and my dad was into it, saw all the movies, read all the EU etc.. After TLJ I was pretty much done with Star Wars forever, TLJ left me so angry that I ranted about it non-stop for 2+ weeks after seeing it on opening night. Walked out of the theater angry and swearing about that garbage and haven't stopped since.
So that's where I was with Star Wars, then someone said that Solo could be called Chewbacca because it's as much his story and I said, ok, I'm goin to see it. It was a great, fun, funny, action packed movie that deserves way more respect than it's getting. And I don't get the people saying "we didn't need it" What movie in the history of mankind was "needed"?? Solo is ranked right up there with the original three for me.
the movie over the weekend and liked it. Didn't notice any pansexuality, so re-reading this thread is funny to see what TLG fixates on.
He keeps claiming he doesn't give a crap about the Midwest Gay Club Scene and things like that - he was just passing information on, now he is very interested in the impact pansexuality has on 7 year old Googlers!
Imagine the mere mention of the band name could cause young kids across the land to Google what that means, and they'd come away thinking it was normal for star NFL QB's to take it up the ass.
soon, our whole society would devolve into anal sex obsessed pre-teens with mental disorders!!
But I don't fixate on that kind of stuff, I'm just the messenger.......
Lando has a relationship that's got more emotion to it than we've seen before in Star Wars between a human and a robot. But that's it. There's nothing sexual.
Solo was very good. Acting was great. Cinematography very different than the others, but still good. More gritty. I really liked it.
But I've liked them all (outside of I, II and III) more than a lot do it seems. I have no understanding of why someone would leave TLJ "angry".
Lando has a relationship that's got more emotion to it than we've seen before in Star Wars between a human and a robot. But that's it. There's nothing sexual.
Solo was very good. Acting was great. Cinematography very different than the others, but still good. More gritty. I really liked it.
But I've liked them all (outside of I, II and III) more than a lot do it seems. I have no understanding of why someone would leave TLJ "angry".
We were just talking about this at work after I mentioned seeing an ad on the subway with 2 guys. It says one is a pansexual male and the other was some other new term. I never heard of either. Now, it seems to be a "thing". Whatever it is, there were traces of Lando being anything than a suave ladies man.
Im going with one of my male friends which makes me slightly concerned after all this pansexual talk. Will one of us get the wrong idea in a dark theater.....????
I just need to know a few things...I'm not familiar with pansexuality...is it ok that I'm not one when I go to the theatre? Do I need to buy any special equipment or leggings? Is there any kind of punch card that would assist in taking part of the pansexuality?
Memorial Day weekend? I know it's a big weekend for movies, but I could never understand why. In a way, it's the countdown to summer, the weather is just starting to get nicer, why the hell would everyone want to go running into a movie theater?
Then there's the HS/college finals, AP tests, state tests, etc. Seems like a bad weekend to try to launch it, although my perspective is obviously altered by my personal experience here.
Better than I expected, perhaps bc my expectations were lowered by reviews and the new trilogy
The good:
Chewie
The actor playing Han - worthy effort
Woody Harrelsons character was generally meh, but he was still good because Woody Harrelson
Good job weaving in some of the music from the original trilogy - yes, the tie fighter chase was a rip off from Empire, but it was still cool
I liked how Han and Danaeryss relationship was doomed - didnt want to see a sappy ending to that
Emilia Clarke - just hawt
The mixed:
Lando - likable and funny at times, but the actor overacted the part too. The love affair with the robot was ok and amusing, until the part where hes holding her and crying
The original trilogy nostalgia - sometimes forced, but still cool to see and hear some elements
The bad:
Overdose of politics, as usual. We get it, war is evil.
The creepy slug woman at the beginning - egad
Paul Bettany didnt do it for me as the bad guy. I think they were trying to go the stylish Bond villian type, but I just thought he was a pussy
Darth Maul at the end - I remember thinking I wish they revealed more of his backstory in the prequels - but as soon as he opened his mouth in this one, he sounded like a twit
Anyways, overall a fun and decent effort, if you dont expect too much. IMO
Better than I expected, perhaps bc my expectations were lowered by reviews and the new trilogy
The good:
Chewie
The actor playing Han - worthy effort
Woody Harrelsons character was generally meh, but he was still good because Woody Harrelson
Good job weaving in some of the music from the original trilogy - yes, the tie fighter chase was a rip off from Empire, but it was still cool
I liked how Han and Danaeryss relationship was doomed - didnt want to see a sappy ending to that
Emilia Clarke - just hawt
The mixed:
Lando - likable and funny at times, but the actor overacted the part too. The love affair with the robot was ok and amusing, until the part where hes holding her and crying
The original trilogy nostalgia - sometimes forced, but still cool to see and hear some elements
The bad:
Overdose of politics, as usual. We get it, war is evil.
The creepy slug woman at the beginning - egad
Paul Bettany didnt do it for me as the bad guy. I think they were trying to go the stylish Bond villian type, but I just thought he was a pussy
Darth Maul at the end - I remember thinking I wish they revealed more of his backstory in the prequels - but as soon as he opened his mouth in this one, he sounded like a twit
Anyways, overall a fun and decent effort, if you dont expect too much. IMO
If you havent watched Clone Wars and Rebels then you should. Youll get plenty on DM
They didnt get their boba fett and jabba. If star wars fans werent such gigantic babies, you would get those stories. But with nobody going to see this because of some stupid anger over Last Jedi, we wont be getting those stories
'so any suspense of card game is completely gone ..why even show it ?'
I'm guessing a majority of viewers would've got the results of the card game an 90 minutes into the movie wrong. I'm surprised you saw it coming.
Compare Solo with Batman Begins .. as far as origin stories
Everyone knows that Bruce Wayne witnesses his parents mugging death
Nolan wisely puts these murders at very beginning of movie but Nolan then adds depth to the act everyone knows that is coming -
Bruce is one that insist they leave theater because he is frightened of Opera that has BATS in it .. Later Bruce wants to kill the captured killer of his parents when he is up for parole but backs out of it . ..
Nolan uses Bruce Wayne's parent murders to move plot in a smart way and add depth and motivation to Bruce Wayne
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Once again everyone knows Han wins Falcon in a card game -- showing a card game 90 minutes into the movie in where Han is losing the card game - is hardly a twist .. you know he ends up with falcon and there will be another card game
it doesn't add anything to the movie .or Han Solo as character .... it is just lazy screenwriting
I agree with your general point. What some people apparently fail to realize is that you aren't criticizing the fact that this movie tells a backstory. (And it's preposterous to suggest that you or anyone went into this movie not knowing it was a backstory or are trolling because you didn't like how the backstory was handled.)
Backstories are very tricky stories to tell, because audiences already know a lot of the outcomes. There's an effective way to do it. And then there are many dull or lazy or clunky ways to do it. (The horrible Star Wars prequels are the best examples of that.)
Your Batman Begins example is a good example of how to do good things with a backstory. Some other good examples are The Godfather Part II, Better Call Saul, and, much closer to home, Rogue One: A Star Wars Story.
I didn't hate Solo: A Star Wars Story. But I doubt I'll watch it again. There was just nothing imaginative about it to me. And saying, "Well, it's a backstory! What do you expect?!" isn't a satisfactory counterpoint.
I mean, first of all there have been multiple Batman origin stories in the films and comics - so there are a lot of different ways you can go with it with the audience not knowing what comes next.
That is vastly different than a character that has had one accepted story/origin etc. I don't disagree that there was a sense of anticlimax, but that is to be expected to some extent when you are telling the backstory of characters we know will live on.
The movie you want to see will be Solo 2- with the backstory out of the way, it will just be Han and Chewie running odd smuggling jobs and getting in and out of trouble.
In this one, Han is likely early 20s? And at the end, Darth Maul is still alive and directing traffic
We all know Darth Maul is killed at the end of Phantom Menace - when Anakin is a kid
Thus - Luke is born when? Maybe 20-25 years after the events of Phantom Menace?
So during A New Hope, Luke is maybe 18-20-ish - meaning A New Hope takes place, conservatively, about 40-50 years after Solo
That would make Han about 60-70, at the youngest, during A New Hope.
Anyone better read on the Star Wars universe out there who can confirm or correct me if Im wrong on this? Or is this simply stretching reality in the movies?
OK searching the interwebs a little more helps explain that one
Apparently Darth Maul survived the events of Phantom Menace, thus pegging the timeline to his death isnt accurate - this article helped explain Link - ( New Window )
RE: Im a little confused about the timing of the movie
In this one, Han is likely early 20s? And at the end, Darth Maul is still alive and directing traffic
We all know Darth Maul is killed at the end of Phantom Menace - when Anakin is a kid
Thus - Luke is born when? Maybe 20-25 years after the events of Phantom Menace?
So during A New Hope, Luke is maybe 18-20-ish - meaning A New Hope takes place, conservatively, about 40-50 years after Solo
That would make Han about 60-70, at the youngest, during A New Hope.
Anyone better read on the Star Wars universe out there who can confirm or correct me if Im wrong on this? Or is this simply stretching reality in the movies?
According to the Clone Wars show and some newer Star Wars Universe print material, Darth Maul never died. The light saber essentially cauterized his wound and his brother (I think) saved him. He now has robotic legs. I don't know any of the rest of that story; this was passed on to me by my kids.
I'm guessing a majority of viewers would've got the results of the card game an 90 minutes into the movie wrong. I'm surprised you saw it coming.
Compare Solo with Batman Begins .. as far as origin stories
Everyone knows that Bruce Wayne witnesses his parents mugging death
Nolan wisely puts these murders at very beginning of movie but Nolan then adds depth to the act everyone knows that is coming -
Bruce is one that insist they leave theater because he is frightened of Opera that has BATS in it .. Later Bruce wants to kill the captured killer of his parents when he is up for parole but backs out of it . ..
Nolan uses Bruce Wayne's parent murders to move plot in a smart way and add depth and motivation to Bruce Wayne
<SPOILER ALERT>
Once again everyone knows Han wins Falcon in a card game -- showing a card game 90 minutes into the movie in where Han is losing the card game - is hardly a twist .. you know he ends up with falcon and there will be another card game
it doesn't add anything to the movie .or Han Solo as character .... it is just lazy screenwriting
I'm guessing a majority of viewers would've got the results of the card game an 90 minutes into the movie wrong. I'm surprised you saw it coming.
Compare Solo with Batman Begins .. as far as origin stories
Everyone knows that Bruce Wayne witnesses his parents mugging death
Nolan wisely puts these murders at very beginning of movie but Nolan then adds depth to the act everyone knows that is coming -
Bruce is one that insist they leave theater because he is frightened of Opera that has BATS in it .. Later Bruce wants to kill the captured killer of his parents when he is up for parole but backs out of it . ..
Nolan uses Bruce Wayne's parent murders to move plot in a smart way and add depth and motivation to Bruce Wayne
<SPOILER ALERT>
Once again everyone knows Han wins Falcon in a card game -- showing a card game 90 minutes into the movie in where Han is losing the card game - is hardly a twist .. you know he ends up with falcon and there will be another card game
it doesn't add anything to the movie .or Han Solo as character .... it is just lazy screenwriting
But...it's a prequel
The Clone Wars is really good if you can survive the awful animated movie that started it all. It takes awhile to get great. But the Maul stuff is great. And then Rebels is great. The way Rebels ends, tells me they might use some of those characters later on. Think a new animated show is coming this Sept also.
1) Since Disney threw out the Expanded Universe to begin with, who's to say any previous backstories had to be used?
2) Along those lines, if Han lost the card game, who's to say another one follows? They could have changed the story?
3) Who's to say he ended up with the Falcon to end this movie? There were plans for a sequel to this.
4) We also knew Han rescued Chewie and other Wookies from slavery, so why show that? Etc.
5) Back to the Falcon, it was never clear anyway. From Empire we heard Lando say Han cheated him and Han say he won it fair and square. This put a story to it and I think it was actually done quite well. Lando is more of a scoundrel than Han; he just presents it in a nicer package.
I thought Roger Eberts review here was pretty spot on
He makes the point that what set Rogue One free, if you will, was outside of arriving at the inevitable ending with Vader, Tarkin, and Leia, it was able to create entirely new characters without having to tie them to their previously revealed backstory.
I agree with his quote here, but I can see why some wouldnt:
It's checklist mythology, but thankfully served up with enough panache to make the trip engaging. Link - ( New Window )
RE: I thought Roger Eberts review here was pretty spot on
He makes the point that what set Rogue One free, if you will, was outside of arriving at the inevitable ending with Vader, Tarkin, and Leia, it was able to create entirely new characters without having to tie them to their previously revealed backstory.
I agree with his quote here, but I can see why some wouldnt:
It's checklist mythology, but thankfully served up with enough panache to make the trip engaging. Link - ( New Window )
I didn't find it that way. There was enough of a story and new characters and it was shot and told such that it was an engaging, fun experience.
He makes the point that what set Rogue One free, if you will, was outside of arriving at the inevitable ending with Vader, Tarkin, and Leia, it was able to create entirely new characters without having to tie them to their previously revealed backstory.
I agree with his quote here, but I can see why some wouldnt:
It's checklist mythology, but thankfully served up with enough panache to make the trip engaging. Link - ( New Window )
I didn't find it that way. There was enough of a story and new characters and it was shot and told such that it was an engaging, fun experience.
Generally I agree with you - I guess some folks wanted a total break from the backstory...we all know Han wins the Falcon from Lando in a card game, I wanted to see it play out, and I thought it was fun how they pulled it off
I also really like setting Qira up as an unknown, possible new quasi-Sith apprentice for Darth Maul. Did not see that coming, creates a lot of options for another movie or two
As I said above I thought Paul Bettany was a total dud as the villain - didnt realize until after seeing it that was supposed to be a CGI villain played by Michael Kenneth Williams, but that part got scratched and recast bc he wasnt available to do all the re-shoots they had to do - which helps explain why they whiffed with Bettany
Omar as a Star Wars villain - now that would have been fun!
Han was great, not overdone, just the right amount of smug. How him and Chewy met and evolved into a duo was really fun despite knowing how it would go down. Im a huge Donald Glover fan so I liked his Lando, not sure what the overacting comment was about from earlier in the thread but I didnt see it. Clarke is hot as fuck and Harrelson is always rock solid.
The whole pansexual thing is even more hilarious after seeing the movie. The thats cute line was something youd say to one of your friends to mock them and his relationship with the droid was no different than Lukes with R2D2 except it was female. Im glad something so insignificant and non existent pissed off TLG as much as it did, though.
recent Star Wars movies, save for maybe Rogue One.
I didn't think much, if anything, of the backstory specifics. Yeah, it was fun to see Han and Chewy meet, and how Han gets the Falcon. But the movie was more to see young Han's character, how he evolved from youth into the pilot we meet in the canteena.
Beyond that, it's an action movie. Good villain. A complicated heist. Some double crossing. I enjoyed Harrelson's character more than most, maybe. I thought the actor who played Han (not even going to try to spell that name without Googling it) did a solid job as well. All too often, I think that the prequel type movies focus too much on getting doppelgangers, rather than a solid actor who fits the character. Really liked Glover's Lando, aside from the silliness with the robot (don't google that kids, you'll be scarred for life).
Watched it, enjoyed it, didn't feel like it lasted over 2 hours when it was done.
I liked it more than Rogue One since I didn't care for half of the boring characters in that movie. The actors do a solid job here and the movie is just a fun ride in general.
I don't understand how anyone can detest this movie. It's one thing if you think it's just okay. But to hate it and say it's a waste of time? That's crazy to me. No way is the movie that bad.
I didn't care for the droid much at all which is weird because I usually love droids in Star Wars movies. Hell, HK-47 is probably my favorite Star Wars character ever. But L3 was kind of lame. Emilia Clarke did a great job as Qi'ra too. I wasn't expecting much from her but she delivered. I hope we see her character again in either a sequel or another spinoff film.
hating, or being angry after watching this movie should probably consider other pastimes.
I don't think it was any cinematic masterpiece, and I could understand some saying it's a watch once and discard type of movie, but unless you had some seriously unrealistic expectations I can't imagine how you end up really disappointed by this one.
my politics very right wing. I had read reviews on Right leaning sites about what a lefty abomination this movie was and wanted to boycott it. However, my wife and I go to all the Star Wars movies with my daughter, son-in-law and grandsons, so we went. Even looking for political perspectives, I found nothing offensive. It was boilerplate Star Wars, just good entertainment if you're into the series.
people up and arms about it being political in 2018 are ridiculous. Its literally the exact same undertones now as they were 40 years ago. People just want something to complain about.
with few expectations and thought it was a good movie with excellent actions scenes. I didn't notice anything from a pansexual or political standpoint.
In that regard, Black Panther was much worse.
Basically, if you are looking for that type of thing, you'll have to go through some serious leaps like many do dissecting Sopranos episodes.
is just silly. Most of us saw the original movies when we were kids. They were groundbreaking, literally changed movies forever. Just go an rewatch the original trilogy and see how corny the jokes are, how cheesy some events are. This is all par for the course.
I liked it more than Rogue One since I didn't care for half of the boring characters in that movie. The actors do a solid job here and the movie is just a fun ride in general.
I don't understand how anyone can detest this movie. It's one thing if you think it's just okay. But to hate it and say it's a waste of time? That's crazy to me. No way is the movie that bad.
I didn't care for the droid much at all which is weird because I usually love droids in Star Wars movies. Hell, HK-47 is probably my favorite Star Wars character ever. But L3 was kind of lame. Emilia Clarke did a great job as Qi'ra too. I wasn't expecting much from her but she delivered. I hope we see her character again in either a sequel or another spinoff film.
I didn't give HK-47 much of a chance and have heard great things since then about him.
Well, you heard wrong. That's not in the movie.
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When I heard they make it a point to make Lando a "pansexual", which is really a new age way to say bisexual I knew it was doomed to failure. Smh.
Well, you heard wrong. That's not in the movie.
maybe it's a deleted scene.
him and Chewie!
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When I heard they make it a point to make Lando a "pansexual", which is really a new age way to say bisexual I knew it was doomed to failure. Smh.
him and Chewie!
The dreaded Alderaan Pan-Sexual Club Scene.
Will it make money?
Most definitely yes.
Does Lando being pansexual (possible being attracted to aliens, humans, or anything) have anything to do with the story or quality of the movie? Nope.
That was just in your dreams, sorry to disappoint you
it's in the midwest portion of the galaxy.
The Cantina, of course
A couple thoughts/notes without spoilers:
- It was billed as a "space western" and definitely lived up to that. It didn't feel like a traditional Star Wars film (as Rogue One did) but it was unique and interesting
- I thought the actor who played a young Han did a great job and carried the film and role well, despite all the huff about him needing "acting lessons"
- There were a couple things about the plot I didn't care for but they steered clear of the absurdly corny jokes/cheesy humor that were all too common in The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi
- Lando was not potrayed as a bisexual or "pansexual" (whatever the hell that is), that was just a rumor
The first 15 minutes or so are not that good, but after that you can see the production and quality go way up.
I wonder if that's where Ron Howard took over, from the original directors. I heard he reshot about 80% of the movie.
There were some very good action scenes, and very good photography, that I liked.
Also the humor in this movie is done well, its not ill timed or corny like the Last Jedi.
There are some very cool new characters in this, and there is a cameo appearance of a star wars character that you will not see coming.
When I came out of the theatre after watching the Last Jedi, I was angry, in fact upset.
This movie when I walked out of it I was happy.
They definitely have a sequel set up if it does well enough.
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I wonder what the intergalactic pansexual nightclub scene is like?
it's in the midwest portion of the galaxy.
Haha!
Disappointed maybe, but angry?!
Without spoilers - I have to say he was impressive as Han.
That cameo appearance confused the hell out of me, until my friend who saw the movie with me explained how it made sense based on the Rebels cartoon.
I don't watch the cartoons, so I hope future movies don't draw on them too much.
The first 15 minutes or so are not that good, but after that you can see the production and quality go way up.
I wonder if that's where Ron Howard took over, from the original directors. I heard he reshot about 80% of the movie.
There were some very good action scenes, and very good photography, that I liked.
Also the humor in this movie is done well, its not ill timed or corny like the Last Jedi.
There are some very cool new characters in this, and there is a cameo appearance of a star wars character that you will not see coming.
When I came out of the theatre after watching the Last Jedi, I was angry, in fact upset.
This movie when I walked out of it I was happy.
They definitely have a sequel set up if it does well enough.
The end-of-movie cameo will not come as a surprise to people who have watched the tv series Clone Wars and Rebels.
I, too, thought Solo was well done. I recommend it to those that enjoy the Star Wars stories.
Im looking forward to seeing Solo. The initial trailers didnt feel like SW which can be a good thing and seems like it was a fairly accurate observation. Ill probably see it at some point next week.
Disappointed maybe, but angry?!
I was infuriated when I walked out of The Last Jedi. A dumpster-fire of a film. I thought it basically ruined the franchise it was so bad. Most real fans felt this way.
seems like pandering to me, but Lando has always been an "I'll try anything once" sort of dude. Like living in a perpetual 70's.
I cant stand when people say stuff like that. So were not real fans cause we enjoyed Last Jedi? Star wars fans are the best! I dont think it was great but i dont think its as awful as fanboys are whining about. I thought it was good. Lower than 4-7 and rogue one but alot better than 1-3. Guess im just a casual not real fan
seems like pandering to me, but Lando has always been an "I'll try anything once" sort of dude. Like living in a perpetual 70's.
Yeah, but some people immediately took that to mean men. I'm guessing the ones with obsessions over the Midwest Gay Club Scene.
I read it and thought back to the old Eddie Murphy bit about Capt. Kirk, and how he'd sleep with green women. Here, I'm thinking there's no alien strange that Lando won't buddy up to.
I guess Im not a real fan.
But everybody wanted them to take some chances, and Rian Johnson did.
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it's out there.
seems like pandering to me, but Lando has always been an "I'll try anything once" sort of dude. Like living in a perpetual 70's.
Yeah, but some people immediately took that to mean men. I'm guessing the ones with obsessions over the Midwest Gay Club Scene.
I read it and thought back to the old Eddie Murphy bit about Capt. Kirk, and how he'd sleep with green women. Here, I'm thinking there's no alien strange that Lando won't buddy up to.
It was about "flirting" with Han Solo
Bwahahaha!!!
I think you're right about that.
I'm a fan of Phoebe Wallers-Bridge, but I thought her droid character sucked. K2SO from Rogue One was a way better character.
And then, that's exactly what he does (well, in Force projection).
And then when Kylo and Rey are communicating about force projecting, he says that Rey couldn't fully force project herself there because it would kill her. Setting up why it did kill Luke to do what he did.
Any reason this wouldn't be suitable for a 7 year old, to those that have seen it?
He saw the Force Awakens and TLJ in the theater, any reason he couldn't handle this?
Why is there a discussion about the liberal sexual preferences of a star wars character at all? It's so bizarre. Blow shit up save the world from the bad guys and move on.
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Any reason this wouldn't be suitable for a 7 year old, to those that have seen it?
He saw the Force Awakens and TLJ in the theater, any reason he couldn't handle this?
Nothing notably different than other Star Wars films. Same degree of violence.
There's actually a "dammit" and a "what the hell," though. Pretty unique for Star Wars. Haha.
Why is there a discussion about the liberal sexual preferences of a star wars character at all? It's so bizarre. Blow shit up save the world from the bad guys and move on. Lando - ( New Window )
Sounds like you are taking this way too literally. Are you otherwise familiar with Glover? He created a hit show on FX and its foundation is dark satire. His responses in that interview seem pretty tongue and cheek to me.
The better question is, why do you care?
Any reason this wouldn't be suitable for a 7 year old, to those that have seen it?
He saw the Force Awakens and TLJ in the theater, any reason he couldn't handle this?
I'm taking my near 7 year old Sunday, and I have no qualms about it. Of course there is some violence, but nothing overly menacing or over the top.
seems like pandering to me, but Lando has always been an "I'll try anything once" sort of dude. Like living in a perpetual 70's.
Without spoiling anything Lando does say the word "adorable".
I won't say who he says it to, but that's as far as they take it in this movie.
There was one scene in particular which made me laugh, actually gave me a good laugh, has to do with Han and Tobias, that scene was well done.
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When the actor playing a star wars main character makes the rounds talking about pansexuality of his character that is a hard stop.
Why is there a discussion about the liberal sexual preferences of a star wars character at all? It's so bizarre. Blow shit up save the world from the bad guys and move on. Lando - ( New Window )
Sounds like you are taking this way too literally. Are you otherwise familiar with Glover? He created a hit show on FX and its foundation is dark satire. His responses in that interview seem pretty tongue and cheek to me.
The better question is, why do you care?
You know why I care. It's an attempt to normalize a belief system (pansexuality) that is by definition rooted in a mental disorder (according to the American Psychiatric Association).
Look at this thread. People are taking their 7 year olds. What if someone was ten and went home and googled Lando and read the articles. He or she would immediately accept this as normal behavior.
Again, it's star wars. Beat the Empire, blow things up and have it be that. This is why Hollywood is tanking. It's a huge turnoff to a huge portion of the country. This movie, which ten years ago would have crushed every box office record, will not surpass the memorial day weekend box office a few years ago that the 3rd Pirates of the Caribbean took in. Think about that. It's not an accident.
IT'S. NOT. IN. THE. MOVIE.
When I first saw the cameo I thought it might be the "other" one. If you've seen the Clone Wars TV series you'll know what I mean.
Are you sure you don't have your own sexual identity issues?
Yup, sister fucking is fine but if Lando thinks a dude is attractive thats where the line MUST be drawn.
Disappointed maybe, but angry?!
I've never come out of a movie upset before, but I can genuinely say when I walked out of the Last Jedi I was visibly upset.
I don't think I'm alone on this
If the Last Jedi was done correctly, with all the hype surrounding it, that movie should have brought in 3 billion dollars, instead of 1.3 billion....
When I saw the Force Awakens, I thought it was very well done, saw it three times in the theatre.
They did justice to Han Solo, played by Harrison Ford, the action sequences were done well, the acting, it was a good movie.
In the Last Jedi....
Luke Skywalker is one of the most iconic characters in movie making history, and what Rian Johnson did to him as a character is an abomination.
People waited over 38 years to finally see him back on the big screen, and it would have been better off if he wasn't even in the film.
I have more to say about it, probably save it for another thread, but thats just my opinion...
My favorite part of the movie, easily.
JJ Abrams chocked TFA full of mystery boxes and intrigue that pretty much set you up to wonder what the payoff was, even if you felt like you just watched a slightly reheated Episode IV. Instead of building off of any of that, TLJ took a hard turn on everything that was setup and disregard it to play the subversion game.
New ideas/approaches and not falling into tropes is not a bad thing, but I personally thought TLJ was not successful as a film and made TFA significantly worse by how it played out. Maybe it worked for some, but for the first time in the series the "universe" really shrunk with TLJ and there is no real interest in what happens next. We kept the cringe humor and bad acting the series is notorious for, but lost a lot of charm that makes it worth sitting through.
Solo seems to kind of continue with this - as its more of a cash in on the/one of the most popular character in the series, but it doesn't really add anything to the brand and completely misses that Harrison Ford is what people want to see, not how Han got his ship.
When you have Marvel sitting under the same Disney banner and able to deliver on a decade's worth of movies that somehow work together and culminate in an event movie that's shattering records, its baffling that this group could not string together 3 main movies that feel coherent (I'm handicapping Episode 9 before its released, I know) and a few side entries to expand the universe and introduce new characters/ideas.
Im of the belief that theres nothing they can do right with Star Wars, a huge population is simply going to hate them. They need to just move on and forget every character that we know, which I believe is what they are doing in the next reboot.
That's correct. Also, DB Weiss and Dave Benioff (from Game of Thrones TV show) are overseeing new Star Wars movie projects - no word yet on if it will be a trilogy or anything like that though.
You get pretty angry on all the GoT threads! :-)
Incidentally I consider myself a pretty nice guy and not a tool in any way. I'm generous, successful and an all around likable guy.
See that's the thing- my opinions (shared by a lot more people than your echo chamber may tell you) are just that...opinions. It's ok if you don't share them. I don't call people names on an anonymous message board in an effort to prove an ideological high ground. To each his own I guess.
Have a great Memorial Day Weekend. Enjoy Solo.
Im of the belief that theres nothing they can do right with Star Wars, a huge population is simply going to hate them. They need to just move on and forget every character that we know, which I believe is what they are doing in the next reboot.
I agree with you completely, but the two films so far in the Sequel Trilogy do not play well together and that's the problem.
Either go full-in on the nostalgia and get 3 films out of the old-timers while you still can or jump far enough into the future that its plausible no one recalls the past events and blow open the galaxy with new faces, but familiar hallmarks. Deal with people calling it derivative or listen to them whine that their favorites aren't to be found, but have a coherent plot that flows through the 3 films. Don't half-ass it and try to take both directions and get 2/3 of the way through with a mess on your hands that does not work well together.
TLJ was really not done any favors by having to pickup mid-sentence from the TFA, but its been established Johnson wrote his initial script without seeing TFA (it was still shooting and no one apparently thought to get him notes) and it really shows.
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where people feel the need to love or hate something with very little middle ground and will shove it down your throat. Movies, sports, anything. I cant really comprehend hating TLJ so much that it made you angry, but to each their own.
You get pretty angry on all the GoT threads! :-)
Theres 1 poster whom I wont name that gets angry. It certainly isnt me. I simply point out that he show is a soap opera now, much lower in quality than it used to be.
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Im thankful I dont know you in person. You are a fucking tool of epic proportions. I hope for your sake you can blame it on your own mental disorder.
Incidentally I consider myself a pretty nice guy and not a tool in any way. I'm generous, successful and an all around likable guy.
See that's the thing- my opinions (shared by a lot more people than your echo chamber may tell you) are just that...opinions. It's ok if you don't share them. I don't call people names on an anonymous message board in an effort to prove an ideological high ground. To each his own I guess.
Have a great Memorial Day Weekend. Enjoy Solo.
Haha, ideological high ground like the one you displayed with your ridiculous comment. Forget laying off politics as a BBI rule, your viewpoint is laughable. But I guess thats just my opinion.
Enjoy your weekend as well.
To me, that difference is the difference between a written story and a manufactured plot -- a tangible difference to me as a movie watcher. I love the former and tend to dismiss the latter.
For the sake of people who haven't seen the movie yet, I'm not going to specify what those are here, even though they aren't secrets. But when you think about it, the "check off the boxes" approach tends to cram a bunch of backstory milestones into a short period of time in the character's life (covered by the prequel movie), even though there's little reason to believe they all had to happen in such a compressed time frame. That happens in this movie (for me). A bunch of big things in Han's past all kind of happen in a short period of time. It feels manufactured that way.
That also why I really like Rogue One, even though it's a prequel. Yes, we knew going in that plans to the Death Star were going to be stolen, but what else did we know -- especially about the characters? Pretty much nothing, which is why their story unfolded more naturally than a bunch of mechanical "check off the box" scenes where we're meant to think, "Ah, so that's how that happened!"
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People are taking their 7 year olds. What if someone was ten and went home and googled Lando and read the articles. He or she would immediately accept this as normal behavior.
IT'S. NOT. IN. THE. MOVIE.
Yes, but what about the interwebs?
That 10 year old surfing by himself could learn all kinds of things about Star Wars!
And about cooking crystal meth, what a Cleveland Steamer is, and so on, but we're talking Disney here.
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Enquiring minds want to know!
I liked the film better the second time I saw it after there was no longer any surprise or freshness to how Johnson portrayed Luke. But, as someone else said in this thread, the way they handled it, it would have been better off to have never incorporated Luke at all.
Plus, this trilogy is weird in how it is obviously using nostalgia as a hook and then ignoring the nostalgia at the same time. Strange decisions like Chewie walking right past Leia after returning from Starkiller base without Han. No hug. No acknowledgement by either one. Luke turned into a crotchety old man. No real acknowledgement between Luke and Chewie outside of a, "Chewie, what are you doing here?"
I have no problem with the buildup and then Luke dying. I do have a problem with how they portrayed his character and how they basically ignored his JEdi past and ignored what everyone was waiting for. The original trilogy we saw Luke grow into a Jedi, but really only scratch the surface of how power. After 30 fucking years and 2 movies, we are still waiting. That was bullshit. Also, as pointed out, Last Jedi as a stand alone movie was probably better than as a piece of this trilogy. It was often disjointed and now all the tales about Johnson's work on it back that up.
Lastly, the original trilogy, plus the prequels were about the Skywalker family. Again, I know the expanded universe was scrapped and Lucas is no longer in charge or the owner of the product. But, the vision was always for another trilogy to complete that saga. Even if this was not that vision, to essentially write off Luke as a bit character is ridiculous. Either include the original characters for a purpose or don't include them at all. In some ways, I feel like that film wasted my time.
Matt, that was me.
And to that, I say get back to me after you see the movie. It's one thing to say that these milestones all happened in Han's life when he was in his early/mid-20s. It's another thing to say they basically happened one after another in a single year of his life. It didn't work for me.
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I will be seeing it Sat. So, I can't yet comment on it overall. But, to the poster who says it felt forced that all of these back story checklist items happened in such a short period of time was forced...I say not really. Han was very young in A New Hope. Luke was younger, which made Han seem a little older. But, that Han was not very far removed from the Han in this movie. And, the backstory that most of us knew about was all from Han's early 20s, which is this movie.
Matt, that was me.
And to that, I say get back to me after you see the movie. It's one thing to say that these milestones all happened in Han's life when he was in his early/mid-20s. It's another thing to say they basically happened one after another in a single year of his life. It didn't work for me.
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I will be seeing it Sat. So, I can't yet comment on it overall. But, to the poster who says it felt forced that all of these back story checklist items happened in such a short period of time was forced...I say not really. Han was very young in A New Hope. Luke was younger, which made Han seem a little older. But, that Han was not very far removed from the Han in this movie. And, the backstory that most of us knew about was all from Han's early 20s, which is this movie.
Matt, that was me.
And to that, I say get back to me after you see the movie. It's one thing to say that these milestones all happened in Han's life when he was in his early/mid-20s. It's another thing to say they basically happened one after another in a single year of his life. It didn't work for me.
Unless they're planning multiple solo movies, they Kinda have to put them all in this one.
Youre a treasure. I mean that in the most sarcastic way possible.
The story is the story and I take it as that. I am just glad they continue making them and dont care how many they make. I like going to the movies and I like Star Wars so its a win win for me.
Bring on Solo 2!
It began when interviewer flat out asked Lawrence Kasdan,"is Lando pansexual?" and he responded (and I'm paraphrasing) something to the effect of "yeah ok why not?"
Then the media ran with it. Then old white straight guys started with the, "ermagherd Lando is pansexual! Disney has an agenda! Millenials are weird! Herp derp".
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haha. Alrighty buddy.
I cant stand when people say stuff like that. So were not real fans cause we enjoyed Last Jedi? Star wars fans are the best! I dont think it was great but i dont think its as awful as fanboys are whining about. I thought it was good. Lower than 4-7 and rogue one but alot better than 1-3. Guess im just a casual not real fan
Exactly. I have been a Star Wars fan since I saw A New Hope when I was five years old and I feel exactly this way. I had Star Wars elements incorporated into my wedding (and I am a woman) including a Millenium Falcon wedding cake. The original trilogy will always be my favorite but I enjoyed The Last Jedi well enough. I am looking forward to seeing Solo.
I thought the introduction of Chewbacca was extremely well done and very much in line with the little bit of detail about this important event that has been shared for years.
This pan-sexual stuff is pure BS. First of all, nobody said this was the intention. Second, even in the movie did he come off as anything other than a suave lady-killer. If anything, it was his obvious connection to his female droid. But, the comment about Han being "adorable" was not made out of attraction. It was more a condescending, snarky remark about Han.
Anyway, I loved this movie and my kids loved it. We walked out wanting more and already wondering about what will come next.
1.)Rogue ONE
2.)Solo
3.)TLJ
4.)TFA
Is my ranking out of the new films.
1.)Rogue ONE
2.)Solo
3.)TLJ
4.)TFA
Is my ranking out of the new films.
So, I think a lot of people were expecting a bad movie. The word of mouth should start to bolster the box office because this was a really fun movie.
But if this movie somehow pisses off touchy righties because of pansexualism or whatever, I'll make sure to support it!
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but it is under-performing at the box office so far. That is what I've read so far. It is competing with DP2.
I think there was too much negativity in the media before the movie even came out. There were a ton of articles questioning whether Ehrenreich would ruin the movie without having seen anything more than the trailer. They took stories like Harrison Ford visited the set to mean Ehrenreich needed coaching, etc. There were also assumptions that the movie sucked because of the switch at director without any other real knowledge.
So, I think a lot of people were expecting a bad movie. The word of mouth should start to bolster the box office because this was a really fun movie.
I haven't seen a star wars movie since the Phantom Menace, but it seems like people believe the star wars producers and writers, etc....are showing the same contempt towards their fans as hollywood has been doing.
But if this movie somehow pisses off touchy righties because of pansexualism or whatever, I'll make sure to support it!
I would see Jar Jar Binks, a star wars story.
Story of han & chewie
Millennium falcon card game
Smuggler wits
The kid did a good jab being han
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but it is under-performing at the box office so far. That is what I've read so far. It is competing with DP2.
I think there was too much negativity in the media before the movie even came out. There were a ton of articles questioning whether Ehrenreich would ruin the movie without having seen anything more than the trailer. They took stories like Harrison Ford visited the set to mean Ehrenreich needed coaching, etc. There were also assumptions that the movie sucked because of the switch at director without any other real knowledge.
So, I think a lot of people were expecting a bad movie. The word of mouth should start to bolster the box office because this was a really fun movie.
I haven't seen a star wars movie since the Phantom Menace, but it seems like people believe the star wars producers and writers, etc....are showing the same contempt towards their fans as hollywood has been doing.
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When the actor playing a star wars main character makes the rounds talking about pansexuality of his character that is a hard stop.
Why is there a discussion about the liberal sexual preferences of a star wars character at all? It's so bizarre. Blow shit up save the world from the bad guys and move on. Lando - ( New Window )
Sounds like you are taking this way too literally. Are you otherwise familiar with Glover? He created a hit show on FX and its foundation is dark satire. His responses in that interview seem pretty tongue and cheek to me.
The better question is, why do you care?
You know why I care. It's an attempt to normalize a belief system (pansexuality) that is by definition rooted in a mental disorder (according to the American Psychiatric Association).
I'm curious to know what in DSM-V you are pulling this from.
Look at this thread. People are taking their 7 year olds. What if someone was ten and went home and googled Lando and read the articles. He or she would immediately accept this as normal behavior.
And then this:
Work in harmony in someones mind? Its okay if you dont share my opinions, just make sure you dont share yours with anyone? Or, to each his own unless hes pansexual?
Should representations of people with mental illnesses be limited to them struggling to be cured? If so, there are way more films out there to be worried about that feature protagonists with mental disorders that dont focus on or include treatment. Or is it just this one type of disorder being normalized that threatens you?
It is for me Cam.
I still havent seen it, hopefully will on Thursday. But the thread got hijacked so you can blame one poster for that one.
So that's where I was with Star Wars, then someone said that Solo could be called Chewbacca because it's as much his story and I said, ok, I'm goin to see it. It was a great, fun, funny, action packed movie that deserves way more respect than it's getting. And I don't get the people saying "we didn't need it" What movie in the history of mankind was "needed"?? Solo is ranked right up there with the original three for me.
He keeps claiming he doesn't give a crap about the Midwest Gay Club Scene and things like that - he was just passing information on, now he is very interested in the impact pansexuality has on 7 year old Googlers!
Like I said WAYYYY above.
Bwahahaha
Imagine the mere mention of the band name could cause young kids across the land to Google what that means, and they'd come away thinking it was normal for star NFL QB's to take it up the ass.
soon, our whole society would devolve into anal sex obsessed pre-teens with mental disorders!!
But I don't fixate on that kind of stuff, I'm just the messenger.......
Lando has a relationship that's got more emotion to it than we've seen before in Star Wars between a human and a robot. But that's it. There's nothing sexual.
Solo was very good. Acting was great. Cinematography very different than the others, but still good. More gritty. I really liked it.
But I've liked them all (outside of I, II and III) more than a lot do it seems. I have no understanding of why someone would leave TLJ "angry".
Lando has a relationship that's got more emotion to it than we've seen before in Star Wars between a human and a robot. But that's it. There's nothing sexual.
Solo was very good. Acting was great. Cinematography very different than the others, but still good. More gritty. I really liked it.
But I've liked them all (outside of I, II and III) more than a lot do it seems. I have no understanding of why someone would leave TLJ "angry".
Then there's the HS/college finals, AP tests, state tests, etc. Seems like a bad weekend to try to launch it, although my perspective is obviously altered by my personal experience here.
completely pointless exercise
any Star Wars movie they make now the plot is basically explain the backstory of original trilogy.
I don't need to know how chewy and Han met ..
they are rogues and smugglers there are a million great stories to tell
arghhh this movie made me so mad
it sucked
completely pointless exercise
any Star Wars movie they make now the plot is basically explain the backstory of original trilogy.
I don't need to know how chewy and Han met ..
they are rogues and smugglers there are a million great stories to tell
arghhh this movie made me so mad
it sucked
I'm just curious... what did you think you would see heading into the movie that was advertised as the backstory of Han Solo?
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completely pointless exercise
any Star Wars movie they make now the plot is basically explain the backstory of original trilogy.
I don't need to know how chewy and Han met ..
they are rogues and smugglers there are a million great stories to tell
arghhh this movie made me so mad
it sucked
I'm just curious... what did you think you would see heading into the movie that was advertised as the backstory of Han Solo?
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completely pointless exercise
any Star Wars movie they make now the plot is basically explain the backstory of original trilogy.
I don't need to know how chewy and Han met ..
they are rogues and smugglers there are a million great stories to tell
arghhh this movie made me so mad
it sucked
If you dont need to know how Chewie and Han met, why the fuck did you go see it?
Thats like saying I went swimming, but it sucked bc I dont need to get wet.
The good:
Chewie
The actor playing Han - worthy effort
Woody Harrelsons character was generally meh, but he was still good because Woody Harrelson
Good job weaving in some of the music from the original trilogy - yes, the tie fighter chase was a rip off from Empire, but it was still cool
I liked how Han and Danaeryss relationship was doomed - didnt want to see a sappy ending to that
Emilia Clarke - just hawt
The mixed:
Lando - likable and funny at times, but the actor overacted the part too. The love affair with the robot was ok and amusing, until the part where hes holding her and crying
The original trilogy nostalgia - sometimes forced, but still cool to see and hear some elements
The bad:
Overdose of politics, as usual. We get it, war is evil.
The creepy slug woman at the beginning - egad
Paul Bettany didnt do it for me as the bad guy. I think they were trying to go the stylish Bond villian type, but I just thought he was a pussy
Darth Maul at the end - I remember thinking I wish they revealed more of his backstory in the prequels - but as soon as he opened his mouth in this one, he sounded like a twit
Anyways, overall a fun and decent effort, if you dont expect too much. IMO
The good:
Chewie
The actor playing Han - worthy effort
Woody Harrelsons character was generally meh, but he was still good because Woody Harrelson
Good job weaving in some of the music from the original trilogy - yes, the tie fighter chase was a rip off from Empire, but it was still cool
I liked how Han and Danaeryss relationship was doomed - didnt want to see a sappy ending to that
Emilia Clarke - just hawt
The mixed:
Lando - likable and funny at times, but the actor overacted the part too. The love affair with the robot was ok and amusing, until the part where hes holding her and crying
The original trilogy nostalgia - sometimes forced, but still cool to see and hear some elements
The bad:
Overdose of politics, as usual. We get it, war is evil.
The creepy slug woman at the beginning - egad
Paul Bettany didnt do it for me as the bad guy. I think they were trying to go the stylish Bond villian type, but I just thought he was a pussy
Darth Maul at the end - I remember thinking I wish they revealed more of his backstory in the prequels - but as soon as he opened his mouth in this one, he sounded like a twit
Anyways, overall a fun and decent effort, if you dont expect too much. IMO
If you havent watched Clone Wars and Rebels then you should. Youll get plenty on DM
you can have a movie about early adventures of Han and Chewie without every major plot point coming from a line in the movie "A New Hope "..
for example - we know that Han won millennium falcon in a card game from lando
so any suspense of card game is completely gone .. why even show it ?
in addition any twist of one card game is just wasting time because you know there will be a SECOND card game before the movie is over...
just pretty pointless
Because they sure seem like they were fucking clueless as to what the trailers and even the title of the damn movie hint at!
Compare Solo with Batman Begins .. as far as origin stories
Everyone knows that Bruce Wayne witnesses his parents mugging death
Nolan wisely puts these murders at very beginning of movie but Nolan then adds depth to the act everyone knows that is coming -
Bruce is one that insist they leave theater because he is frightened of Opera that has BATS in it .. Later Bruce wants to kill the captured killer of his parents when he is up for parole but backs out of it . ..
Nolan uses Bruce Wayne's parent murders to move plot in a smart way and add depth and motivation to Bruce Wayne
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Once again everyone knows Han wins Falcon in a card game -- showing a card game 90 minutes into the movie in where Han is losing the card game - is hardly a twist .. you know he ends up with falcon and there will be another card game
it doesn't add anything to the movie .or Han Solo as character .... it is just lazy screenwriting
Backstories are very tricky stories to tell, because audiences already know a lot of the outcomes. There's an effective way to do it. And then there are many dull or lazy or clunky ways to do it. (The horrible Star Wars prequels are the best examples of that.)
Your Batman Begins example is a good example of how to do good things with a backstory. Some other good examples are The Godfather Part II, Better Call Saul, and, much closer to home, Rogue One: A Star Wars Story.
I didn't hate Solo: A Star Wars Story. But I doubt I'll watch it again. There was just nothing imaginative about it to me. And saying, "Well, it's a backstory! What do you expect?!" isn't a satisfactory counterpoint.
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I'm just curious... what did you think you would see heading into the movie that was advertised as the backstory of Han Solo?
you can have a movie about early adventures of Han and Chewie without every major plot point coming from a line in the movie "A New Hope "..
for example - we know that Han won millennium falcon in a card game from lando
so any suspense of card game is completely gone .. why even show it ?
in addition any twist of one card game is just wasting time because you know there will be a SECOND card game before the movie is over...
just pretty pointless
That is vastly different than a character that has had one accepted story/origin etc. I don't disagree that there was a sense of anticlimax, but that is to be expected to some extent when you are telling the backstory of characters we know will live on.
The movie you want to see will be Solo 2- with the backstory out of the way, it will just be Han and Chewie running odd smuggling jobs and getting in and out of trouble.
Talk about a mindfuck!!!
In this one, Han is likely early 20s? And at the end, Darth Maul is still alive and directing traffic
We all know Darth Maul is killed at the end of Phantom Menace - when Anakin is a kid
Thus - Luke is born when? Maybe 20-25 years after the events of Phantom Menace?
So during A New Hope, Luke is maybe 18-20-ish - meaning A New Hope takes place, conservatively, about 40-50 years after Solo
That would make Han about 60-70, at the youngest, during A New Hope.
Anyone better read on the Star Wars universe out there who can confirm or correct me if Im wrong on this? Or is this simply stretching reality in the movies?
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In this one, Han is likely early 20s? And at the end, Darth Maul is still alive and directing traffic
We all know Darth Maul is killed at the end of Phantom Menace - when Anakin is a kid
Thus - Luke is born when? Maybe 20-25 years after the events of Phantom Menace?
So during A New Hope, Luke is maybe 18-20-ish - meaning A New Hope takes place, conservatively, about 40-50 years after Solo
That would make Han about 60-70, at the youngest, during A New Hope.
Anyone better read on the Star Wars universe out there who can confirm or correct me if Im wrong on this? Or is this simply stretching reality in the movies?
Han Solo is in his 20's in this. He's in his 30's in New Hope. So about 10 years or so before A New Hope.
So during that timeframe in between Solo and A New Hope, Han runs into trouble with Jabba and then we meet up with Han after that fact in A New Hope.
So during that timeframe in between Solo and A New Hope, Han runs into trouble with Jabba and then we meet up with Han after that fact in A New Hope.
Yup that makes sense, thanks gents. Darth Mauls reappearance threw me off
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I'm guessing a majority of viewers would've got the results of the card game an 90 minutes into the movie wrong. I'm surprised you saw it coming.
Compare Solo with Batman Begins .. as far as origin stories
Everyone knows that Bruce Wayne witnesses his parents mugging death
Nolan wisely puts these murders at very beginning of movie but Nolan then adds depth to the act everyone knows that is coming -
Bruce is one that insist they leave theater because he is frightened of Opera that has BATS in it .. Later Bruce wants to kill the captured killer of his parents when he is up for parole but backs out of it . ..
Nolan uses Bruce Wayne's parent murders to move plot in a smart way and add depth and motivation to Bruce Wayne
<SPOILER ALERT>
Once again everyone knows Han wins Falcon in a card game -- showing a card game 90 minutes into the movie in where Han is losing the card game - is hardly a twist .. you know he ends up with falcon and there will be another card game
it doesn't add anything to the movie .or Han Solo as character .... it is just lazy screenwriting
But...it's a prequel
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I'm guessing a majority of viewers would've got the results of the card game an 90 minutes into the movie wrong. I'm surprised you saw it coming.
Compare Solo with Batman Begins .. as far as origin stories
Everyone knows that Bruce Wayne witnesses his parents mugging death
Nolan wisely puts these murders at very beginning of movie but Nolan then adds depth to the act everyone knows that is coming -
Bruce is one that insist they leave theater because he is frightened of Opera that has BATS in it .. Later Bruce wants to kill the captured killer of his parents when he is up for parole but backs out of it . ..
Nolan uses Bruce Wayne's parent murders to move plot in a smart way and add depth and motivation to Bruce Wayne
<SPOILER ALERT>
Once again everyone knows Han wins Falcon in a card game -- showing a card game 90 minutes into the movie in where Han is losing the card game - is hardly a twist .. you know he ends up with falcon and there will be another card game
it doesn't add anything to the movie .or Han Solo as character .... it is just lazy screenwriting
But...it's a prequel
The Clone Wars is really good if you can survive the awful animated movie that started it all. It takes awhile to get great. But the Maul stuff is great. And then Rebels is great. The way Rebels ends, tells me they might use some of those characters later on. Think a new animated show is coming this Sept also.
2) Along those lines, if Han lost the card game, who's to say another one follows? They could have changed the story?
3) Who's to say he ended up with the Falcon to end this movie? There were plans for a sequel to this.
4) We also knew Han rescued Chewie and other Wookies from slavery, so why show that? Etc.
5) Back to the Falcon, it was never clear anyway. From Empire we heard Lando say Han cheated him and Han say he won it fair and square. This put a story to it and I think it was actually done quite well. Lando is more of a scoundrel than Han; he just presents it in a nicer package.
I agree with his quote here, but I can see why some wouldnt:
It's checklist mythology, but thankfully served up with enough panache to make the trip engaging.
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I agree with his quote here, but I can see why some wouldnt:
It's checklist mythology, but thankfully served up with enough panache to make the trip engaging. Link - ( New Window )
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He makes the point that what set Rogue One free, if you will, was outside of arriving at the inevitable ending with Vader, Tarkin, and Leia, it was able to create entirely new characters without having to tie them to their previously revealed backstory.
I agree with his quote here, but I can see why some wouldnt:
It's checklist mythology, but thankfully served up with enough panache to make the trip engaging. Link - ( New Window )
I didn't find it that way. There was enough of a story and new characters and it was shot and told such that it was an engaging, fun experience.
Generally I agree with you - I guess some folks wanted a total break from the backstory...we all know Han wins the Falcon from Lando in a card game, I wanted to see it play out, and I thought it was fun how they pulled it off
I also really like setting Qira up as an unknown, possible new quasi-Sith apprentice for Darth Maul. Did not see that coming, creates a lot of options for another movie or two
As I said above I thought Paul Bettany was a total dud as the villain - didnt realize until after seeing it that was supposed to be a CGI villain played by Michael Kenneth Williams, but that part got scratched and recast bc he wasnt available to do all the re-shoots they had to do - which helps explain why they whiffed with Bettany
Omar as a Star Wars villain - now that would have been fun!
The whole pansexual thing is even more hilarious after seeing the movie. The thats cute line was something youd say to one of your friends to mock them and his relationship with the droid was no different than Lukes with R2D2 except it was female. Im glad something so insignificant and non existent pissed off TLG as much as it did, though.
His Force ghost wrote it.
lol. That didnt even occur to me until I saw your post. I saw rogerebert.com and didnt think further
For sure
I'm sure it will all come together.
I enjoyed it, I am sure it will pop on TV sometime, and I will enjoy it again, but its not anything I will seek out in the future.
Darth Maul appearance was a crazy one
I didn't think much, if anything, of the backstory specifics. Yeah, it was fun to see Han and Chewy meet, and how Han gets the Falcon. But the movie was more to see young Han's character, how he evolved from youth into the pilot we meet in the canteena.
Beyond that, it's an action movie. Good villain. A complicated heist. Some double crossing. I enjoyed Harrelson's character more than most, maybe. I thought the actor who played Han (not even going to try to spell that name without Googling it) did a solid job as well. All too often, I think that the prequel type movies focus too much on getting doppelgangers, rather than a solid actor who fits the character. Really liked Glover's Lando, aside from the silliness with the robot (don't google that kids, you'll be scarred for life).
Watched it, enjoyed it, didn't feel like it lasted over 2 hours when it was done.
I don't understand how anyone can detest this movie. It's one thing if you think it's just okay. But to hate it and say it's a waste of time? That's crazy to me. No way is the movie that bad.
I didn't care for the droid much at all which is weird because I usually love droids in Star Wars movies. Hell, HK-47 is probably my favorite Star Wars character ever. But L3 was kind of lame. Emilia Clarke did a great job as Qi'ra too. I wasn't expecting much from her but she delivered. I hope we see her character again in either a sequel or another spinoff film.
I don't think it was any cinematic masterpiece, and I could understand some saying it's a watch once and discard type of movie, but unless you had some seriously unrealistic expectations I can't imagine how you end up really disappointed by this one.
In that regard, Black Panther was much worse.
Basically, if you are looking for that type of thing, you'll have to go through some serious leaps like many do dissecting Sopranos episodes.
To tell the truth, I've been porking robots since I saw the movie. But they're not my preference yet
I don't understand how anyone can detest this movie. It's one thing if you think it's just okay. But to hate it and say it's a waste of time? That's crazy to me. No way is the movie that bad.
I didn't care for the droid much at all which is weird because I usually love droids in Star Wars movies. Hell, HK-47 is probably my favorite Star Wars character ever. But L3 was kind of lame. Emilia Clarke did a great job as Qi'ra too. I wasn't expecting much from her but she delivered. I hope we see her character again in either a sequel or another spinoff film.
I didn't give HK-47 much of a chance and have heard great things since then about him.