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Mr. Bungle : 5/24/2018 10:00 pm
Don't feel rushed to go see it. :/
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RE: RE: One of many links  
ThatLimerickGuy : 5/25/2018 10:36 am : link
In comment 13974907 UConn4523 said:
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When the actor playing a star wars main character makes the rounds talking about pansexuality of his character that is a hard stop.

Why is there a discussion about the liberal sexual preferences of a star wars character at all? It's so bizarre. Blow shit up save the world from the bad guys and move on. Lando - ( New Window )



Sounds like you are taking this way too literally. Are you otherwise familiar with Glover? He created a hit show on FX and it’s foundation is dark satire. His responses in that interview seem pretty tongue and cheek to me.

The better question is, why do you care?


You know why I care. It's an attempt to normalize a belief system (pansexuality) that is by definition rooted in a mental disorder (according to the American Psychiatric Association).

Look at this thread. People are taking their 7 year olds. What if someone was ten and went home and googled Lando and read the articles. He or she would immediately accept this as normal behavior.

Again, it's star wars. Beat the Empire, blow things up and have it be that. This is why Hollywood is tanking. It's a huge turnoff to a huge portion of the country. This movie, which ten years ago would have crushed every box office record, will not surpass the memorial day weekend box office a few years ago that the 3rd Pirates of the Caribbean took in. Think about that. It's not an accident.
RE: RE: RE: One of many links  
Mr. Bungle : 5/25/2018 10:38 am : link
In comment 13975001 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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People are taking their 7 year olds. What if someone was ten and went home and googled Lando and read the articles. He or she would immediately accept this as normal behavior.

IT'S. NOT. IN. THE. MOVIE.
RE: Saw it last night  
Hammer : 5/25/2018 10:46 am : link
In comment 13974911 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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It was a fun movie. That cameo at the end was tight. Definitely elicited an "oh shit" fromy buddies and I.


When I first saw the cameo I thought it might be the "other" one. If you've seen the Clone Wars TV series you'll know what I mean.
The Star Wars  
Pete in MD : 5/25/2018 10:47 am : link
universe had incest back in 1980. Now pansexuality is a problem for people?
ThatLimerickGuy  
Giantology : 5/25/2018 10:50 am : link
It wasn't enough to make an ass of yourself with the whole Aaron Rodgers midwest gay club shit. Now you're here to rally against pansexuals?

Are you sure you don't have your own sexual identity issues?
Also, this is nothing new.  
Pete in MD : 5/25/2018 10:57 am : link
SW has had a LGBTQ character from the very beginning.
I so badly want to believe that....  
Britt in VA : 5/25/2018 10:59 am : link
the Aaron Rodgers, midwest gay club scene is a thing (for entertainment purposes only).
TLG  
UConn4523 : 5/25/2018 11:04 am : link
I’m thankful I don’t know you in person. You are a fucking tool of epic proportions. I hope for your sake you can blame it on your own mental disorder.
RE: The Star Wars  
UConn4523 : 5/25/2018 11:05 am : link
In comment 13975012 Pete in MD said:
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universe had incest back in 1980. Now pansexuality is a problem for people?


Yup, sister fucking is fine but if Lando thinks a dude is attractive that’s where the line MUST be drawn.
RE: You walked out of Last Jedi angry?  
sxdxca : 5/25/2018 11:05 am : link
In comment 13974762 jcn56 said:
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Did the guys behind you throw popcorn at you the whole time?

Disappointed maybe, but angry?!


I've never come out of a movie upset before, but I can genuinely say when I walked out of the Last Jedi I was visibly upset.

I don't think I'm alone on this

If the Last Jedi was done correctly, with all the hype surrounding it, that movie should have brought in 3 billion dollars, instead of 1.3 billion....

When I saw the Force Awakens, I thought it was very well done, saw it three times in the theatre.

They did justice to Han Solo, played by Harrison Ford, the action sequences were done well, the acting, it was a good movie.

In the Last Jedi....

Luke Skywalker is one of the most iconic characters in movie making history, and what Rian Johnson did to him as a character is an abomination.

People waited over 38 years to finally see him back on the big screen, and it would have been better off if he wasn't even in the film.

I have more to say about it, probably save it for another thread, but thats just my opinion...


One of my best friends who predictably hates everything....  
Britt in VA : 5/25/2018 11:07 am : link
hated The Last Jedi. I think it' a thing.
I've been  
Pete in MD : 5/25/2018 11:21 am : link
a fan for a long time. (My wife just bought me an Imperial Walker watch for our ten year wedding anniversary.) I think what Johnson did with Luke was genius. What a lot of fans "wanted" would have been incredibly cheesy and telegraphed. He was still a hero but not in the way anyone imagined. I do wish he would have lived so he could pop-up at some point in the future but that is still likely to happen as a Force Ghost.
I also am pissed  
KWhite2250 : 5/25/2018 11:22 am : link
That mark hamills body double didnt get to lightsaber fight in this one!
Also, how could anybody not love....  
Britt in VA : 5/25/2018 11:23 am : link
Yoda schooling "young Skywalker" once again? That was awesome and made me want to cry it was so good.
I also like general sweeping comments about  
UConn4523 : 5/25/2018 11:24 am : link
“What fans want”. Because, you know, they all want the same thing...
I’ve waited 38 loooong yeears!!!!!!  
UConn4523 : 5/25/2018 11:31 am : link
Haha, something so damn douchey about that.
RE: Also, how could anybody not love....  
Mr. Bungle : 5/25/2018 11:32 am : link
In comment 13975061 Britt in VA said:
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Yoda schooling "young Skywalker" once again? That was awesome and made me want to cry it was so good.

My favorite part of the movie, easily.
TLJ didn't send me into a blind rage....  
UAGiant : 5/25/2018 1:29 pm : link
But the Star Wars brand under Disney has felt completely rudderless and without a lot of foresight/planning.

JJ Abrams chocked TFA full of mystery boxes and intrigue that pretty much set you up to wonder what the payoff was, even if you felt like you just watched a slightly reheated Episode IV. Instead of building off of any of that, TLJ took a hard turn on everything that was setup and disregard it to play the subversion game.

New ideas/approaches and not falling into tropes is not a bad thing, but I personally thought TLJ was not successful as a film and made TFA significantly worse by how it played out. Maybe it worked for some, but for the first time in the series the "universe" really shrunk with TLJ and there is no real interest in what happens next. We kept the cringe humor and bad acting the series is notorious for, but lost a lot of charm that makes it worth sitting through.

Solo seems to kind of continue with this - as its more of a cash in on the/one of the most popular character in the series, but it doesn't really add anything to the brand and completely misses that Harrison Ford is what people want to see, not how Han got his ship.

When you have Marvel sitting under the same Disney banner and able to deliver on a decade's worth of movies that somehow work together and culminate in an event movie that's shattering records, its baffling that this group could not string together 3 main movies that feel coherent (I'm handicapping Episode 9 before its released, I know) and a few side entries to expand the universe and introduce new characters/ideas.
Marvel isn’t up against their past  
UConn4523 : 5/25/2018 1:40 pm : link
successful brand though, rather, they are correcting the shit they produced in the 2000’s.

I’m of the belief that there’s nothing they can do “right” with Star Wars, a huge population is simply going to hate them. They need to just move on and forget every character that we know, which I believe is what they are doing in the next reboot.
Isn't Rian Johnson  
Pete in MD : 5/25/2018 2:00 pm : link
getting his own "fresh" trilogy? Like, within the SW universe but all new characters and storyline?
yes.  
Britt in VA : 5/25/2018 2:00 pm : link
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RE: Isn't Rian Johnson  
Giantology : 5/25/2018 2:03 pm : link
In comment 13975298 Pete in MD said:
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getting his own "fresh" trilogy? Like, within the SW universe but all new characters and storyline?


That's correct. Also, DB Weiss and Dave Benioff (from Game of Thrones TV show) are overseeing new Star Wars movie projects - no word yet on if it will be a trilogy or anything like that though.
RE: We live in a society  
giants#1 : 5/25/2018 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13974844 UConn4523 said:
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where people feel the need to love or hate something with very little middle ground and will shove it down your throat. Movies, sports, anything. I can’t really comprehend hating TLJ so much that it made you angry, but to each their own.


You get pretty angry on all the GoT threads! :-)
RE: TLG  
ThatLimerickGuy : 5/25/2018 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13975038 UConn4523 said:
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I’m thankful I don’t know you in person. You are a fucking tool of epic proportions. I hope for your sake you can blame it on your own mental disorder.


Incidentally I consider myself a pretty nice guy and not a tool in any way. I'm generous, successful and an all around likable guy.

See that's the thing- my opinions (shared by a lot more people than your echo chamber may tell you) are just that...opinions. It's ok if you don't share them. I don't call people names on an anonymous message board in an effort to prove an ideological high ground. To each his own I guess.

Have a great Memorial Day Weekend. Enjoy Solo.
RE: Marvel isn’t up against their past  
UAGiant : 5/25/2018 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13975277 UConn4523 said:
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successful brand though, rather, they are correcting the shit they produced in the 2000’s.

I’m of the belief that there’s nothing they can do “right” with Star Wars, a huge population is simply going to hate them. They need to just move on and forget every character that we know, which I believe is what they are doing in the next reboot.


I agree with you completely, but the two films so far in the Sequel Trilogy do not play well together and that's the problem.

Either go full-in on the nostalgia and get 3 films out of the old-timers while you still can or jump far enough into the future that its plausible no one recalls the past events and blow open the galaxy with new faces, but familiar hallmarks. Deal with people calling it derivative or listen to them whine that their favorites aren't to be found, but have a coherent plot that flows through the 3 films. Don't half-ass it and try to take both directions and get 2/3 of the way through with a mess on your hands that does not work well together.

TLJ was really not done any favors by having to pickup mid-sentence from the TFA, but its been established Johnson wrote his initial script without seeing TFA (it was still shooting and no one apparently thought to get him notes) and it really shows.
RE: RE: We live in a society  
UConn4523 : 5/25/2018 3:23 pm : link
In comment 13975313 giants#1 said:
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where people feel the need to love or hate something with very little middle ground and will shove it down your throat. Movies, sports, anything. I can’t really comprehend hating TLJ so much that it made you angry, but to each their own.



You get pretty angry on all the GoT threads! :-)


There’s 1 poster whom I won’t name that gets angry. It certainly isn’t me. I simply point out that he show is a soap opera now, much lower in quality than it used to be.
RE: RE: TLG  
UConn4523 : 5/25/2018 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13975364 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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I’m thankful I don’t know you in person. You are a fucking tool of epic proportions. I hope for your sake you can blame it on your own mental disorder.



Incidentally I consider myself a pretty nice guy and not a tool in any way. I'm generous, successful and an all around likable guy.

See that's the thing- my opinions (shared by a lot more people than your echo chamber may tell you) are just that...opinions. It's ok if you don't share them. I don't call people names on an anonymous message board in an effort to prove an ideological high ground. To each his own I guess.

Have a great Memorial Day Weekend. Enjoy Solo.


Haha, “ideological high ground” like the one you displayed with your ridiculous comment. Forget laying off politics as a BBI rule, your viewpoint is laughable. But I guess that’s just my opinion.

Enjoy your weekend as well.
I think that the primary thing that disappointed me about Solo  
Mr. Bungle : 5/25/2018 3:44 pm : link
is that -- like the risk most prequels face -- the events in the narrative didn't seem like they naturally occurred as an unfolding story. It felt more like checking off the boxes of Han's backstory that we first learned about from the original films.

To me, that difference is the difference between a written story and a manufactured plot -- a tangible difference to me as a movie watcher. I love the former and tend to dismiss the latter.

For the sake of people who haven't seen the movie yet, I'm not going to specify what those are here, even though they aren't secrets. But when you think about it, the "check off the boxes" approach tends to cram a bunch of backstory milestones into a short period of time in the character's life (covered by the prequel movie), even though there's little reason to believe they all had to happen in such a compressed time frame. That happens in this movie (for me). A bunch of big things in Han's past all kind of happen in a short period of time. It feels manufactured that way.

That also why I really like Rogue One, even though it's a prequel. Yes, we knew going in that plans to the Death Star were going to be stolen, but what else did we know -- especially about the characters? Pretty much nothing, which is why their story unfolded more naturally than a bunch of mechanical "check off the box" scenes where we're meant to think, "Ah, so that's how that happened!"
Just got back from  
BIG FRED 1973 : 5/25/2018 5:50 pm : link
seeing it and i thought was really good .Ron Howard did a good job .Lots of great Easter eggs and it definitely ended with a chance for a squeal .
RE: RE: RE: RE: One of many links  
jcn56 : 5/25/2018 6:05 pm : link
In comment 13975004 Mr. Bungle said:
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People are taking their 7 year olds. What if someone was ten and went home and googled Lando and read the articles. He or she would immediately accept this as normal behavior.


IT'S. NOT. IN. THE. MOVIE.


Yes, but what about the interwebs?

That 10 year old surfing by himself could learn all kinds of things about Star Wars!

And about cooking crystal meth, what a Cleveland Steamer is, and so on, but we're talking Disney here.
Boba Fett movie coming.  
Mr. Bungle : 5/25/2018 6:28 pm : link
I guess we're not out of backstory hell yet.
Link - ( New Window )
Way better than any of the prequels or sequels to the original trilogy  
dpinzow : 5/25/2018 7:53 pm : link
I think it’s up there with ESB and the original
Sheila is an orally fixated Pan Sexual  
Waldo Jeffers : 5/26/2018 12:54 am : link
Is Peter Pan the Iconic figure  
montanagiant : 5/26/2018 1:42 am : link
For the Midwest Pansexual clique? If so will he hook up with Rodgers to create a Gaysexpanual hybrid?

Enquiring minds want to know!
RE: This is one of my favorite visuals in the whole saga:  
Matt M. : 5/26/2018 2:08 am : link
In comment 13974863 Britt in VA said:
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Me too. But, I thought it would have been much better if it were real. I know they dumped the expanded universe. But, for 30 years many have read about Luke growing into the most powerful Jedi ever. Hell, even in a backstory for this trilogy there was a story about Luke taking down one of those junked star destroyers on Jaku by himself from the ground. In that vein, it would have been so cool for Luke to actually have walked out there and survived all that firepower.

I liked the film better the second time I saw it after there was no longer any surprise or freshness to how Johnson portrayed Luke. But, as someone else said in this thread, the way they handled it, it would have been better off to have never incorporated Luke at all.

Plus, this trilogy is weird in how it is obviously using nostalgia as a hook and then ignoring the nostalgia at the same time. Strange decisions like Chewie walking right past Leia after returning from Starkiller base without Han. No hug. No acknowledgement by either one. Luke turned into a crotchety old man. No real acknowledgement between Luke and Chewie outside of a, "Chewie, what are you doing here?"

I have no problem with the buildup and then Luke dying. I do have a problem with how they portrayed his character and how they basically ignored his JEdi past and ignored what everyone was waiting for. The original trilogy we saw Luke grow into a Jedi, but really only scratch the surface of how power. After 30 fucking years and 2 movies, we are still waiting. That was bullshit. Also, as pointed out, Last Jedi as a stand alone movie was probably better than as a piece of this trilogy. It was often disjointed and now all the tales about Johnson's work on it back that up.

Lastly, the original trilogy, plus the prequels were about the Skywalker family. Again, I know the expanded universe was scrapped and Lucas is no longer in charge or the owner of the product. But, the vision was always for another trilogy to complete that saga. Even if this was not that vision, to essentially write off Luke as a bit character is ridiculous. Either include the original characters for a purpose or don't include them at all. In some ways, I feel like that film wasted my time.
Now, as for the Solo movie  
Matt M. : 5/26/2018 2:11 am : link
I will be seeing it Sat. So, I can't yet comment on it overall. But, to the poster who says it felt forced that all of these back story checklist items happened in such a short period of time was forced...I say not really. Han was very young in A New Hope. Luke was younger, which made Han seem a little older. But, that Han was not very far removed from the Han in this movie. And, the backstory that most of us knew about was all from Han's early 20s, which is this movie.
RE: Now, as for the Solo movie  
Mr. Bungle : 5/26/2018 2:30 am : link
In comment 13975809 Matt M. said:
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I will be seeing it Sat. So, I can't yet comment on it overall. But, to the poster who says it felt forced that all of these back story checklist items happened in such a short period of time was forced...I say not really. Han was very young in A New Hope. Luke was younger, which made Han seem a little older. But, that Han was not very far removed from the Han in this movie. And, the backstory that most of us knew about was all from Han's early 20s, which is this movie.

Matt, that was me.

And to that, I say get back to me after you see the movie. It's one thing to say that these milestones all happened in Han's life when he was in his early/mid-20s. It's another thing to say they basically happened one after another in a single year of his life. It didn't work for me.
RE: RE: Now, as for the Solo movie  
Matt M. : 5/26/2018 2:36 am : link
In comment 13975814 Mr. Bungle said:
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I will be seeing it Sat. So, I can't yet comment on it overall. But, to the poster who says it felt forced that all of these back story checklist items happened in such a short period of time was forced...I say not really. Han was very young in A New Hope. Luke was younger, which made Han seem a little older. But, that Han was not very far removed from the Han in this movie. And, the backstory that most of us knew about was all from Han's early 20s, which is this movie.


Matt, that was me.

And to that, I say get back to me after you see the movie. It's one thing to say that these milestones all happened in Han's life when he was in his early/mid-20s. It's another thing to say they basically happened one after another in a single year of his life. It didn't work for me.
It very well may have been forced in this movie and I am interested, more than anything else, to see him and Chewie come together. I am wondering if they ruin that well known back story. But, that sotory is absolutely on the heels of him leaving the Imperial academy and then moving directly into his smuggling career. So, the reality is, a lot of these central moments in his development did happen in a relatively short period of time.
Took my son to see solo  
ron mexico : 5/26/2018 10:16 am : link
He loved the lando character so he googeled him, came across that article then immediately went out and fucked an aardvark. True story.
RE: RE: Now, as for the Solo movie  
ron mexico : 5/26/2018 10:20 am : link
In comment 13975814 Mr. Bungle said:
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I will be seeing it Sat. So, I can't yet comment on it overall. But, to the poster who says it felt forced that all of these back story checklist items happened in such a short period of time was forced...I say not really. Han was very young in A New Hope. Luke was younger, which made Han seem a little older. But, that Han was not very far removed from the Han in this movie. And, the backstory that most of us knew about was all from Han's early 20s, which is this movie.


Matt, that was me.

And to that, I say get back to me after you see the movie. It's one thing to say that these milestones all happened in Han's life when he was in his early/mid-20s. It's another thing to say they basically happened one after another in a single year of his life. It didn't work for me.


Unless they're planning multiple solo movies, they Kinda have to put them all in this one.
But that's my point.  
Mr. Bungle : 5/26/2018 11:21 am : link
That's a manufactured plot.
I enjoyed it  
KWhite2250 : 5/26/2018 1:12 pm : link
Was real fun. Didnt seem like 2 hours. Han and Lando are great
RE: Destined to fail  
djm : 5/26/2018 1:16 pm : link
In comment 13974633 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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When I heard they make it a point to make Lando a "pansexual", which is really a new age way to say bisexual I knew it was doomed to failure. Smh.


You’re a treasure. I mean that in the most sarcastic way possible.
I enjoyed it and thought they did a great job of hitting all points  
NY-Fan : 5/26/2018 1:45 pm : link
They definitely left it where they have 2 different movies they can create to follow after this. I don’t see why everyone feels like they have to pick apart these movies so much. They are never going to be able to fulfill what the originals brought people. Especially the ones that were just kids and saw something the likes they had never seen before on film.

The story is the story and I take it as that. I am just glad they continue making them and don’t care how many they make. I like going to the movies and I like Star Wars so it’s a win win for me.
i came away unimpressed with it  
GiantsFan84 : 5/26/2018 3:01 pm : link
it was ok. i never felt on the edge of my seat or that the movie was building towards anything. it just kind of ran flat for me.
Saw it last night  
Giantology : 5/26/2018 3:04 pm : link
While it wasn’t the best Star Wars movie ever- it was a lot of fun. And I have to say, I was dead wrong about Alden Ehrenreich. I was worried he would be my least favorite part of the movie, but his performance grew on me as the movie went along.

Bring on Solo 2!
Can we put this pansexual Lando thing  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 5/26/2018 7:00 pm : link
into proper context please? While it's hinted at in the movie that he may swing both ways nobody involved with the film said he was "pansexual".

It began when interviewer flat out asked Lawrence Kasdan,"is Lando pansexual?" and he responded (and I'm paraphrasing) something to the effect of "yeah ok why not?"

Then the media ran with it. Then old white straight guys started with the, "ermagherd Lando is pansexual! Disney has an agenda! Millenials are weird! Herp derp".
RE: RE: “Most real fans”  
jpennyva : 5/26/2018 8:46 pm : link
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haha. Alrighty buddy.



I cant stand when people say stuff like that. So we’re not real fans cause we enjoyed Last Jedi? Star wars fans are the best! I dont think it was great but i dont think its as awful as fanboys are whining about. I thought it was good. Lower than 4-7 and rogue one but alot better than 1-3. Guess im just a casual not real fan


Exactly. I have been a Star Wars fan since I saw A New Hope when I was five years old and I feel exactly this way. I had Star Wars elements incorporated into my wedding (and I am a woman) including a Millenium Falcon wedding cake. The original trilogy will always be my favorite but I enjoyed The Last Jedi well enough. I am looking forward to seeing Solo.
So, I just saw it a little while ago  
Matt M. : 5/27/2018 12:09 am : link
and I loved it. I thought a lot of the media hints at a poor performance by Ehrenreich were way off base. He really did a good job getting Han's essence. The movie, from start to finish, was fun, funny, and packed with action. And it was not devoid of story, as someone here indicated.

I thought the introduction of Chewbacca was extremely well done and very much in line with the little bit of detail about this important event that has been shared for years.

This pan-sexual stuff is pure BS. First of all, nobody said this was the intention. Second, even in the movie did he come off as anything other than a suave lady-killer. If anything, it was his obvious connection to his female droid. But, the comment about Han being "adorable" was not made out of attraction. It was more a condescending, snarky remark about Han.

Anyway, I loved this movie and my kids loved it. We walked out wanting more and already wondering about what will come next.
Also, some interesting tidbits  
Matt M. : 5/27/2018 12:34 am : link
There were some interesting cameos, this is the first Star Wars film C-3PO and R2-D2 are not in, and I like the take of "I've got a bad feeling..." used in this film.

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