but it is under-performing at the box office so far. That is what I've read so far. It is competing with DP2.
I think there was too much negativity in the media before the movie even came out. There were a ton of articles questioning whether Ehrenreich would ruin the movie without having seen anything more than the trailer. They took stories like Harrison Ford visited the set to mean Ehrenreich needed coaching, etc. There were also assumptions that the movie sucked because of the switch at director without any other real knowledge.
So, I think a lot of people were expecting a bad movie. The word of mouth should start to bolster the box office because this was a really fun movie.
but it is under-performing at the box office so far. That is what I've read so far. It is competing with DP2.
I think there was too much negativity in the media before the movie even came out. There were a ton of articles questioning whether Ehrenreich would ruin the movie without having seen anything more than the trailer. They took stories like Harrison Ford visited the set to mean Ehrenreich needed coaching, etc. There were also assumptions that the movie sucked because of the switch at director without any other real knowledge.
So, I think a lot of people were expecting a bad movie. The word of mouth should start to bolster the box office because this was a really fun movie.
I haven't seen a star wars movie since the Phantom Menace, but it seems like people believe the star wars producers and writers, etc....are showing the same contempt towards their fans as hollywood has been doing.
but it is under-performing at the box office so far. That is what I've read so far. It is competing with DP2.
I think there was too much negativity in the media before the movie even came out. There were a ton of articles questioning whether Ehrenreich would ruin the movie without having seen anything more than the trailer. They took stories like Harrison Ford visited the set to mean Ehrenreich needed coaching, etc. There were also assumptions that the movie sucked because of the switch at director without any other real knowledge.
So, I think a lot of people were expecting a bad movie. The word of mouth should start to bolster the box office because this was a really fun movie.
I haven't seen a star wars movie since the Phantom Menace, but it seems like people believe the star wars producers and writers, etc....are showing the same contempt towards their fans as hollywood has been doing.
I don't love the way the Disney/Lucasfilm people treat the true fans with the new prequel. But, this movie is nothing like that. It was a real hit, in my opinion.
When the actor playing a star wars main character makes the rounds talking about pansexuality of his character that is a hard stop.
Why is there a discussion about the liberal sexual preferences of a star wars character at all? It's so bizarre. Blow shit up save the world from the bad guys and move on. Lando - ( New Window )
Sounds like you are taking this way too literally. Are you otherwise familiar with Glover? He created a hit show on FX and its foundation is dark satire. His responses in that interview seem pretty tongue and cheek to me.
The better question is, why do you care?
You know why I care. It's an attempt to normalize a belief system (pansexuality) that is by definition rooted in a mental disorder (according to the American Psychiatric Association).
I'm curious to know what in DSM-V you are pulling this from.
You know why I care. It's an attempt to normalize a belief system (pansexuality) that is by definition rooted in a mental disorder (according to the American Psychiatric Association).
Look at this thread. People are taking their 7 year olds. What if someone was ten and went home and googled Lando and read the articles. He or she would immediately accept this as normal behavior.
And then this:
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See that's the thing- my opinions (shared by a lot more people than your echo chamber may tell you) are just that...opinions. It's ok if you don't share them. I don't call people names on an anonymous message board in an effort to prove an ideological high ground. To each his own I guess.
Work in harmony in someones mind? Its okay if you dont share my opinions, just make sure you dont share yours with anyone? Or, to each his own unless hes pansexual?
Should representations of people with mental illnesses be limited to them struggling to be cured? If so, there are way more films out there to be worried about that feature protagonists with mental disorders that dont focus on or include treatment. Or is it just this one type of disorder being normalized that threatens you?
And of course, if its a mental disorder or illness,
I've been obsessed with Star Wars pretty much since I was born in '77 and my dad was into it, saw all the movies, read all the EU etc.. After TLJ I was pretty much done with Star Wars forever, TLJ left me so angry that I ranted about it non-stop for 2+ weeks after seeing it on opening night. Walked out of the theater angry and swearing about that garbage and haven't stopped since.
So that's where I was with Star Wars, then someone said that Solo could be called Chewbacca because it's as much his story and I said, ok, I'm goin to see it. It was a great, fun, funny, action packed movie that deserves way more respect than it's getting. And I don't get the people saying "we didn't need it" What movie in the history of mankind was "needed"?? Solo is ranked right up there with the original three for me.
the movie over the weekend and liked it. Didn't notice any pansexuality, so re-reading this thread is funny to see what TLG fixates on.
He keeps claiming he doesn't give a crap about the Midwest Gay Club Scene and things like that - he was just passing information on, now he is very interested in the impact pansexuality has on 7 year old Googlers!
Imagine the mere mention of the band name could cause young kids across the land to Google what that means, and they'd come away thinking it was normal for star NFL QB's to take it up the ass.
soon, our whole society would devolve into anal sex obsessed pre-teens with mental disorders!!
But I don't fixate on that kind of stuff, I'm just the messenger.......
Lando has a relationship that's got more emotion to it than we've seen before in Star Wars between a human and a robot. But that's it. There's nothing sexual.
Solo was very good. Acting was great. Cinematography very different than the others, but still good. More gritty. I really liked it.
But I've liked them all (outside of I, II and III) more than a lot do it seems. I have no understanding of why someone would leave TLJ "angry".
Lando has a relationship that's got more emotion to it than we've seen before in Star Wars between a human and a robot. But that's it. There's nothing sexual.
Solo was very good. Acting was great. Cinematography very different than the others, but still good. More gritty. I really liked it.
But I've liked them all (outside of I, II and III) more than a lot do it seems. I have no understanding of why someone would leave TLJ "angry".
We were just talking about this at work after I mentioned seeing an ad on the subway with 2 guys. It says one is a pansexual male and the other was some other new term. I never heard of either. Now, it seems to be a "thing". Whatever it is, there were traces of Lando being anything than a suave ladies man.
Im going with one of my male friends which makes me slightly concerned after all this pansexual talk. Will one of us get the wrong idea in a dark theater.....????
I just need to know a few things...I'm not familiar with pansexuality...is it ok that I'm not one when I go to the theatre? Do I need to buy any special equipment or leggings? Is there any kind of punch card that would assist in taking part of the pansexuality?
Memorial Day weekend? I know it's a big weekend for movies, but I could never understand why. In a way, it's the countdown to summer, the weather is just starting to get nicer, why the hell would everyone want to go running into a movie theater?
Then there's the HS/college finals, AP tests, state tests, etc. Seems like a bad weekend to try to launch it, although my perspective is obviously altered by my personal experience here.
Better than I expected, perhaps bc my expectations were lowered by reviews and the new trilogy
The good:
Chewie
The actor playing Han - worthy effort
Woody Harrelsons character was generally meh, but he was still good because Woody Harrelson
Good job weaving in some of the music from the original trilogy - yes, the tie fighter chase was a rip off from Empire, but it was still cool
I liked how Han and Danaeryss relationship was doomed - didnt want to see a sappy ending to that
Emilia Clarke - just hawt
The mixed:
Lando - likable and funny at times, but the actor overacted the part too. The love affair with the robot was ok and amusing, until the part where hes holding her and crying
The original trilogy nostalgia - sometimes forced, but still cool to see and hear some elements
The bad:
Overdose of politics, as usual. We get it, war is evil.
The creepy slug woman at the beginning - egad
Paul Bettany didnt do it for me as the bad guy. I think they were trying to go the stylish Bond villian type, but I just thought he was a pussy
Darth Maul at the end - I remember thinking I wish they revealed more of his backstory in the prequels - but as soon as he opened his mouth in this one, he sounded like a twit
Anyways, overall a fun and decent effort, if you dont expect too much. IMO
Better than I expected, perhaps bc my expectations were lowered by reviews and the new trilogy
The good:
Chewie
The actor playing Han - worthy effort
Woody Harrelsons character was generally meh, but he was still good because Woody Harrelson
Good job weaving in some of the music from the original trilogy - yes, the tie fighter chase was a rip off from Empire, but it was still cool
I liked how Han and Danaeryss relationship was doomed - didnt want to see a sappy ending to that
Emilia Clarke - just hawt
The mixed:
Lando - likable and funny at times, but the actor overacted the part too. The love affair with the robot was ok and amusing, until the part where hes holding her and crying
The original trilogy nostalgia - sometimes forced, but still cool to see and hear some elements
The bad:
Overdose of politics, as usual. We get it, war is evil.
The creepy slug woman at the beginning - egad
Paul Bettany didnt do it for me as the bad guy. I think they were trying to go the stylish Bond villian type, but I just thought he was a pussy
Darth Maul at the end - I remember thinking I wish they revealed more of his backstory in the prequels - but as soon as he opened his mouth in this one, he sounded like a twit
Anyways, overall a fun and decent effort, if you dont expect too much. IMO
If you havent watched Clone Wars and Rebels then you should. Youll get plenty on DM
They didnt get their boba fett and jabba. If star wars fans werent such gigantic babies, you would get those stories. But with nobody going to see this because of some stupid anger over Last Jedi, we wont be getting those stories
'so any suspense of card game is completely gone ..why even show it ?'
I'm guessing a majority of viewers would've got the results of the card game an 90 minutes into the movie wrong. I'm surprised you saw it coming.
Compare Solo with Batman Begins .. as far as origin stories
Everyone knows that Bruce Wayne witnesses his parents mugging death
Nolan wisely puts these murders at very beginning of movie but Nolan then adds depth to the act everyone knows that is coming -
Bruce is one that insist they leave theater because he is frightened of Opera that has BATS in it .. Later Bruce wants to kill the captured killer of his parents when he is up for parole but backs out of it . ..
Nolan uses Bruce Wayne's parent murders to move plot in a smart way and add depth and motivation to Bruce Wayne
<SPOILER ALERT>
Once again everyone knows Han wins Falcon in a card game -- showing a card game 90 minutes into the movie in where Han is losing the card game - is hardly a twist .. you know he ends up with falcon and there will be another card game
it doesn't add anything to the movie .or Han Solo as character .... it is just lazy screenwriting
I agree with your general point. What some people apparently fail to realize is that you aren't criticizing the fact that this movie tells a backstory. (And it's preposterous to suggest that you or anyone went into this movie not knowing it was a backstory or are trolling because you didn't like how the backstory was handled.)
Backstories are very tricky stories to tell, because audiences already know a lot of the outcomes. There's an effective way to do it. And then there are many dull or lazy or clunky ways to do it. (The horrible Star Wars prequels are the best examples of that.)
Your Batman Begins example is a good example of how to do good things with a backstory. Some other good examples are The Godfather Part II, Better Call Saul, and, much closer to home, Rogue One: A Star Wars Story.
I didn't hate Solo: A Star Wars Story. But I doubt I'll watch it again. There was just nothing imaginative about it to me. And saying, "Well, it's a backstory! What do you expect?!" isn't a satisfactory counterpoint.
I mean, first of all there have been multiple Batman origin stories in the films and comics - so there are a lot of different ways you can go with it with the audience not knowing what comes next.
That is vastly different than a character that has had one accepted story/origin etc. I don't disagree that there was a sense of anticlimax, but that is to be expected to some extent when you are telling the backstory of characters we know will live on.
The movie you want to see will be Solo 2- with the backstory out of the way, it will just be Han and Chewie running odd smuggling jobs and getting in and out of trouble.
1.)Rogue ONE
2.)Solo
3.)TLJ
4.)TFA
Is my ranking out of the new films.
1.)Rogue ONE
2.)Solo
3.)TLJ
4.)TFA
Is my ranking out of the new films.
So, I think a lot of people were expecting a bad movie. The word of mouth should start to bolster the box office because this was a really fun movie.
But if this movie somehow pisses off touchy righties because of pansexualism or whatever, I'll make sure to support it!
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but it is under-performing at the box office so far. That is what I've read so far. It is competing with DP2.
I think there was too much negativity in the media before the movie even came out. There were a ton of articles questioning whether Ehrenreich would ruin the movie without having seen anything more than the trailer. They took stories like Harrison Ford visited the set to mean Ehrenreich needed coaching, etc. There were also assumptions that the movie sucked because of the switch at director without any other real knowledge.
So, I think a lot of people were expecting a bad movie. The word of mouth should start to bolster the box office because this was a really fun movie.
I haven't seen a star wars movie since the Phantom Menace, but it seems like people believe the star wars producers and writers, etc....are showing the same contempt towards their fans as hollywood has been doing.
But if this movie somehow pisses off touchy righties because of pansexualism or whatever, I'll make sure to support it!
I would see Jar Jar Binks, a star wars story.
Story of han & chewie
Millennium falcon card game
Smuggler wits
The kid did a good jab being han
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but it is under-performing at the box office so far. That is what I've read so far. It is competing with DP2.
I think there was too much negativity in the media before the movie even came out. There were a ton of articles questioning whether Ehrenreich would ruin the movie without having seen anything more than the trailer. They took stories like Harrison Ford visited the set to mean Ehrenreich needed coaching, etc. There were also assumptions that the movie sucked because of the switch at director without any other real knowledge.
So, I think a lot of people were expecting a bad movie. The word of mouth should start to bolster the box office because this was a really fun movie.
I haven't seen a star wars movie since the Phantom Menace, but it seems like people believe the star wars producers and writers, etc....are showing the same contempt towards their fans as hollywood has been doing.
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When the actor playing a star wars main character makes the rounds talking about pansexuality of his character that is a hard stop.
Why is there a discussion about the liberal sexual preferences of a star wars character at all? It's so bizarre. Blow shit up save the world from the bad guys and move on. Lando - ( New Window )
Sounds like you are taking this way too literally. Are you otherwise familiar with Glover? He created a hit show on FX and its foundation is dark satire. His responses in that interview seem pretty tongue and cheek to me.
The better question is, why do you care?
You know why I care. It's an attempt to normalize a belief system (pansexuality) that is by definition rooted in a mental disorder (according to the American Psychiatric Association).
I'm curious to know what in DSM-V you are pulling this from.
Look at this thread. People are taking their 7 year olds. What if someone was ten and went home and googled Lando and read the articles. He or she would immediately accept this as normal behavior.
And then this:
Work in harmony in someones mind? Its okay if you dont share my opinions, just make sure you dont share yours with anyone? Or, to each his own unless hes pansexual?
Should representations of people with mental illnesses be limited to them struggling to be cured? If so, there are way more films out there to be worried about that feature protagonists with mental disorders that dont focus on or include treatment. Or is it just this one type of disorder being normalized that threatens you?
It is for me Cam.
I still havent seen it, hopefully will on Thursday. But the thread got hijacked so you can blame one poster for that one.
So that's where I was with Star Wars, then someone said that Solo could be called Chewbacca because it's as much his story and I said, ok, I'm goin to see it. It was a great, fun, funny, action packed movie that deserves way more respect than it's getting. And I don't get the people saying "we didn't need it" What movie in the history of mankind was "needed"?? Solo is ranked right up there with the original three for me.
He keeps claiming he doesn't give a crap about the Midwest Gay Club Scene and things like that - he was just passing information on, now he is very interested in the impact pansexuality has on 7 year old Googlers!
Like I said WAYYYY above.
Bwahahaha
Imagine the mere mention of the band name could cause young kids across the land to Google what that means, and they'd come away thinking it was normal for star NFL QB's to take it up the ass.
soon, our whole society would devolve into anal sex obsessed pre-teens with mental disorders!!
But I don't fixate on that kind of stuff, I'm just the messenger.......
Lando has a relationship that's got more emotion to it than we've seen before in Star Wars between a human and a robot. But that's it. There's nothing sexual.
Solo was very good. Acting was great. Cinematography very different than the others, but still good. More gritty. I really liked it.
But I've liked them all (outside of I, II and III) more than a lot do it seems. I have no understanding of why someone would leave TLJ "angry".
Lando has a relationship that's got more emotion to it than we've seen before in Star Wars between a human and a robot. But that's it. There's nothing sexual.
Solo was very good. Acting was great. Cinematography very different than the others, but still good. More gritty. I really liked it.
But I've liked them all (outside of I, II and III) more than a lot do it seems. I have no understanding of why someone would leave TLJ "angry".
Then there's the HS/college finals, AP tests, state tests, etc. Seems like a bad weekend to try to launch it, although my perspective is obviously altered by my personal experience here.
completely pointless exercise
any Star Wars movie they make now the plot is basically explain the backstory of original trilogy.
I don't need to know how chewy and Han met ..
they are rogues and smugglers there are a million great stories to tell
arghhh this movie made me so mad
it sucked
completely pointless exercise
any Star Wars movie they make now the plot is basically explain the backstory of original trilogy.
I don't need to know how chewy and Han met ..
they are rogues and smugglers there are a million great stories to tell
arghhh this movie made me so mad
it sucked
I'm just curious... what did you think you would see heading into the movie that was advertised as the backstory of Han Solo?
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saw this last night
completely pointless exercise
any Star Wars movie they make now the plot is basically explain the backstory of original trilogy.
I don't need to know how chewy and Han met ..
they are rogues and smugglers there are a million great stories to tell
arghhh this movie made me so mad
it sucked
I'm just curious... what did you think you would see heading into the movie that was advertised as the backstory of Han Solo?
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completely pointless exercise
any Star Wars movie they make now the plot is basically explain the backstory of original trilogy.
I don't need to know how chewy and Han met ..
they are rogues and smugglers there are a million great stories to tell
arghhh this movie made me so mad
it sucked
If you dont need to know how Chewie and Han met, why the fuck did you go see it?
Thats like saying I went swimming, but it sucked bc I dont need to get wet.
The good:
Chewie
The actor playing Han - worthy effort
Woody Harrelsons character was generally meh, but he was still good because Woody Harrelson
Good job weaving in some of the music from the original trilogy - yes, the tie fighter chase was a rip off from Empire, but it was still cool
I liked how Han and Danaeryss relationship was doomed - didnt want to see a sappy ending to that
Emilia Clarke - just hawt
The mixed:
Lando - likable and funny at times, but the actor overacted the part too. The love affair with the robot was ok and amusing, until the part where hes holding her and crying
The original trilogy nostalgia - sometimes forced, but still cool to see and hear some elements
The bad:
Overdose of politics, as usual. We get it, war is evil.
The creepy slug woman at the beginning - egad
Paul Bettany didnt do it for me as the bad guy. I think they were trying to go the stylish Bond villian type, but I just thought he was a pussy
Darth Maul at the end - I remember thinking I wish they revealed more of his backstory in the prequels - but as soon as he opened his mouth in this one, he sounded like a twit
Anyways, overall a fun and decent effort, if you dont expect too much. IMO
The good:
Chewie
The actor playing Han - worthy effort
Woody Harrelsons character was generally meh, but he was still good because Woody Harrelson
Good job weaving in some of the music from the original trilogy - yes, the tie fighter chase was a rip off from Empire, but it was still cool
I liked how Han and Danaeryss relationship was doomed - didnt want to see a sappy ending to that
Emilia Clarke - just hawt
The mixed:
Lando - likable and funny at times, but the actor overacted the part too. The love affair with the robot was ok and amusing, until the part where hes holding her and crying
The original trilogy nostalgia - sometimes forced, but still cool to see and hear some elements
The bad:
Overdose of politics, as usual. We get it, war is evil.
The creepy slug woman at the beginning - egad
Paul Bettany didnt do it for me as the bad guy. I think they were trying to go the stylish Bond villian type, but I just thought he was a pussy
Darth Maul at the end - I remember thinking I wish they revealed more of his backstory in the prequels - but as soon as he opened his mouth in this one, he sounded like a twit
Anyways, overall a fun and decent effort, if you dont expect too much. IMO
If you havent watched Clone Wars and Rebels then you should. Youll get plenty on DM
you can have a movie about early adventures of Han and Chewie without every major plot point coming from a line in the movie "A New Hope "..
for example - we know that Han won millennium falcon in a card game from lando
so any suspense of card game is completely gone .. why even show it ?
in addition any twist of one card game is just wasting time because you know there will be a SECOND card game before the movie is over...
just pretty pointless
Because they sure seem like they were fucking clueless as to what the trailers and even the title of the damn movie hint at!
Compare Solo with Batman Begins .. as far as origin stories
Everyone knows that Bruce Wayne witnesses his parents mugging death
Nolan wisely puts these murders at very beginning of movie but Nolan then adds depth to the act everyone knows that is coming -
Bruce is one that insist they leave theater because he is frightened of Opera that has BATS in it .. Later Bruce wants to kill the captured killer of his parents when he is up for parole but backs out of it . ..
Nolan uses Bruce Wayne's parent murders to move plot in a smart way and add depth and motivation to Bruce Wayne
<SPOILER ALERT>
Once again everyone knows Han wins Falcon in a card game -- showing a card game 90 minutes into the movie in where Han is losing the card game - is hardly a twist .. you know he ends up with falcon and there will be another card game
it doesn't add anything to the movie .or Han Solo as character .... it is just lazy screenwriting
Backstories are very tricky stories to tell, because audiences already know a lot of the outcomes. There's an effective way to do it. And then there are many dull or lazy or clunky ways to do it. (The horrible Star Wars prequels are the best examples of that.)
Your Batman Begins example is a good example of how to do good things with a backstory. Some other good examples are The Godfather Part II, Better Call Saul, and, much closer to home, Rogue One: A Star Wars Story.
I didn't hate Solo: A Star Wars Story. But I doubt I'll watch it again. There was just nothing imaginative about it to me. And saying, "Well, it's a backstory! What do you expect?!" isn't a satisfactory counterpoint.
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I'm just curious... what did you think you would see heading into the movie that was advertised as the backstory of Han Solo?
you can have a movie about early adventures of Han and Chewie without every major plot point coming from a line in the movie "A New Hope "..
for example - we know that Han won millennium falcon in a card game from lando
so any suspense of card game is completely gone .. why even show it ?
in addition any twist of one card game is just wasting time because you know there will be a SECOND card game before the movie is over...
just pretty pointless
That is vastly different than a character that has had one accepted story/origin etc. I don't disagree that there was a sense of anticlimax, but that is to be expected to some extent when you are telling the backstory of characters we know will live on.
The movie you want to see will be Solo 2- with the backstory out of the way, it will just be Han and Chewie running odd smuggling jobs and getting in and out of trouble.