NFT: Mets Minors 5/25/2018- Gimenez with a big game

and second baseman.

AAA
Plawecki 1-3
Smith 0-4, K
Evans 0-3, BB, K, SB
Bautista 2.1 innings 2 hits 0 runs 0 walks 2 k's
Smith 0.1 innings 0 hits 1 run 0 walks 0 k's

in response to a tweet about his night last night

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Michael Mayer ‏ @mikemayerMMO 15m15 minutes ago Michael Mayer Retweeted Michael Mayer Only 6 hitters in FSL have more than his 10 doubles and his 3 triples are tied for 3rd in the league. Oh yeah, he's 3.5 tears younger than the league average age.

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Ernest Dove ‏ @ernestdove Replying to @mikemayerMMO And to be honest, visually, hes simply smoother and more controlled offensively and defensively than Rosario was down here as a 19 year old. NOT comparing just memory and observations. Rosario has better bat speed but again Gimenez smoother 8:26 AM - 25 May 2018

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Michael Mayer ‏ @mikemayerMMO 1m1 minute ago Replying to @ernestdove Absolutely agreed, to me Gimenez is more polished than Rosario at the same age.

steal a base.

has more upside. Gimenez tools across the board are average. Doesn't mean he can't be very good but he's not the same caliber quick twitch athlete, power/speed etc

In comment 13974902 DanMetroMan said:

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has more upside. Gimenez tools across the board are average. Doesn't mean he can't be very good but he's not the same caliber quick twitch athlete, power/speed etc

I'd be fine with them as the double play combo at SS/2B for the next decade.

Is Gimenez still at SS exclusively or do they have him playing 2B some too? I thought I read he was going to be playing both.

In comment 13974908 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13974902 DanMetroMan said: Quote: has more upside. Gimenez tools across the board are average. Doesn't mean he can't be very good but he's not the same caliber quick twitch athlete, power/speed etc I'd be fine with them as the double play combo at SS/2B for the next decade. Is Gimenez still at SS exclusively or do they have him playing 2B some too? I thought I read he was going to be playing both.

Gimenez has made 2 appearances at 2b. He can play both. Again, Rosario likely has the better SS profile thanks to his speed and arm. I like Gimenez, I don't want to make it seem like I don't, and Rosario has been very disappointing so far. I just think given the tools Rosario has greater all-star potential. I like Ernest Dove a LOT but he's very homerish. If I comment someone hasn't played well the response is always that he "looked" good etc.

Hypothetically - how much more than Gimenez would it cost to land Realmuto?

The ask seemed too high when we checked in a few weeks ago (they were asking for Conforto, IIRC)

In comment 13974977 arcarsenal said:

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Hypothetically - how much more than Gimenez would it cost to land Realmuto? The ask seemed too high when we checked in a few weeks ago (they were asking for Conforto, IIRC)

I would think the cost is a lot higher than Jimenez. Probably starts at Jimenez + Alonso and goes up from there.

27 years old, dearth of catching around the league, 2 more years of control.

I know he'd cost more than Gimenez - just not sure how much more.

I still think I'd be willing to give up a good haul for him. Mesoroco has at least sort of stabilized things for the time being - upgrade over Lobaton and Nido at least - but Realmuto would be worth giving up a good bit to get, IMO

Not happening.
Spend the hypotheticals on moves that have a chance of happening

In comment 13975000 arcarsenal said:

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I know he'd cost more than Gimenez - just not sure how much more. I still think I'd be willing to give up a good haul for him. Mesoroco has at least sort of stabilized things for the time being - upgrade over Lobaton and Nido at least - but Realmuto would be worth giving up a good bit to get, IMO

I could get on board with a huge offer for Realmuto, but this team has to prove it's a real contender first. Chasing the second wild card isn't good enough for me to empty out our already thin farm system. If we think he's the missing piece to get us over the top for a 2-3 year run of WS contention than go ahead. But please don't do this is the team is hovering around .500 and Sandy wants to save his job.

In comment 13975000 arcarsenal said:

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I know he'd cost more than Gimenez - just not sure how much more. I still think I'd be willing to give up a good haul for him. Mesoroco has at least sort of stabilized things for the time being - upgrade over Lobaton and Nido at least - but Realmuto would be worth giving up a good bit to get, IMO

Wonder if the combo of Gimenez, Kay, and maybe Smith gets it done. Or if that still falls way short.

In comment 13975014 Shecky said:

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Not happening. Spend the hypotheticals on moves that have a chance of happening

Give me some realistic names, then!

In comment 13975025 gmen9892 said:

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In comment 13975000 arcarsenal said: Quote: I know he'd cost more than Gimenez - just not sure how much more. I still think I'd be willing to give up a good haul for him. Mesoroco has at least sort of stabilized things for the time being - upgrade over Lobaton and Nido at least - but Realmuto would be worth giving up a good bit to get, IMO Wonder if the combo of Gimenez, Kay, and maybe Smith gets it done. Or if that still falls way short.

And if that falls short, Im not too sure id want to entertain the trade. Just ride this out.

See, the reason I keep bringing up Realmuto is because catcher is the one spot where it seems easiest to upgrade.

Trading for an OFer doesn't make much sense unless Cespedes is going to be out long-term. We already have 4 guys needing regular PT there (even though I'd be totally fine with Bruce sitting a couple times a week) when Ces isn't on the DL.

Cabrera has been excellent - so, he's staying @ 2B.

Can't see us making a move for a SS - Rosario has to keep playing.

Frazier is manning 3B.

And I don't see much point in targeting a 1B until Alonso gets a chance.

So, where else can we insert a new player?

but his career ba is .283 and his career OPS is .762. These are still respectable numbers especially for a catcher, but not as great as what he's done this season.

Dan has mentioned a lot this season how bad he's been, but its nice to see him hitting a bit better lately.

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Desmond Lindsay last 8 Games: .296/.387/.519

In comment 13974977 arcarsenal said:

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Hypothetically - how much more than Gimenez would it cost to land Realmuto? The ask seemed too high when we checked in a few weeks ago (they were asking for Conforto, IIRC)

I don't think Mets have minor league prospects to get Realmuto. Unless they emptied in the system. More likely, they would have to include someone like Conforto or Rosario in the deal.

I would do Conforto + two minor league relievers for Realmuto

Rosario and Dom Smith and whatever sweetners for Machado



The logic is Conforto only has three more "cheap" years, so even if he gains consistency, you have not given away a ton of WAR.

Rosario has five "cheap" years after this one, so the potential loss is greater, but in no way does he have the potential to ever become Machado.

You have to do both deals. Doing one is a half measure. And the reason is not to waste the prime years of Degrom and to a lesser extent Thor. With those two at the top of the rotation and with Machado and Realmuto, Mets are threat to bet anybody in a short postseason series.

And then you still have Alonso, McNeil and Giminez to give you low cost options in the next five years.

Nimmo
Cabrera
Cespedes
Machado
Realmuto
Frazier/Agon
Flores
Bruce

I'll put that lineup against any in the game. You could even bat FRazier ninth because he draws a lot of walks

Machado already has a couple of gold gloves

And Realmuto is one of the best defensive catchers in the game. Stolen bases would no longer be an achilles heel

In comment 13975050 Ira said:

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but his career ba is .283 and his career OPS is .762. These are still respectable numbers especially for a catcher, but not as great as what he's done this season.

His OPS has improved each of his five years in MLB

.611
.692
.771
.783
.913

And he is only 27.

1.Bryce Harper
3. Manny Machado
7. Matt Harvey
13. Chris Sale
23.Christian Yelich
38. Thor

Realmuto and Addison Reed were taken in the third round. Both were available when Mets selected Blake Forsyth :(((

is a concern. I know we all of a sudden have too many OF'ers but Conforto is still the only young every day all star on this team. He's been a better hitter than Realmuto over his career, he's younger, and even though he's not a catcher he can play a premium position adequately.

Also re: Gimenez, he's having a much better first year in A+ than Rosario. He's putting up the same numbers Rosario was when he got moved up to AA, so If he keeps this up he's going to be in AA before he turns 20. I wouldn't be so quick to deal him for Realmuto either.

In comment 13975230 gmen9892 said:

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Dan has mentioned a lot this season how bad he's been, but its nice to see him hitting a bit better lately. Quote: Desmond Lindsay last 8 Games: .296/.387/.519

He's still yet to hit a single HR on the season and has 3 steals. To this point his season has been a disaster.



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Yes, that's definitely the guy you would eye when talking about high ceiling disappointment.

�Christian James on a flight right now to Binghamton New York. Pitching in the AA game tomorrow.�

I coached Christian in Little League when he was 10 - 12 years old. Wish him a lot of luck.

They�re VERY high on the kid. Pretty cool that you can get some credit for that ;)

Gimenez (147 ABs) - .293 / .359 / .442 - 15 XBH (2 homers), 13 RBI's, 15 SB, 10 BB, 34 K's
Rosario (385 ABs) - .257 / .307 / .335 - 25 XBH (0 homers), 25 RBI's, 12 SB, 23 BB, 73 K's

Pre-2015 Rosario was BA's #98 prospect.
Pre-2016 Rosario was BA's #58 prospect. (after the season above).

If Gimenez keeps hitting the way he is, he's going to move up to AA faster than Rosario did and will probably start getting some real buzz.