Since signing with the CFL, Manziel has done his share of interviews. I believe that this is a changed person and he finally "gets it". When you hear him speak, he sounds mature, he sounds regretful, he sounds coachable, appreciative of this opportunity and focused.
This was a guy that was on a collision course to destruction, but he's still only 25. I love redepmtion stories because not everyone follows the same path. Not everyone is Saquan Barkley that are wise beyond their years. Some guys are late to understand what life is about. Some guys are later to mature and appreciate the opportunity to play football.
I was not a fan of his coming into the NFL, but I am hoping the Giants are watching him closely. He didn't fail in the NFL based on a lack of talent and now that his head is screwed one straight, I'm intrigued.
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Even if he "gets it," I don't think he's good enough to play in the NFL.
It's certainly a fair opinion to have, but I'm not sure why you think that. When he was coming out of college, he was a first rounder. I'm sure most teams would have drafted him even earlier if he wasn't so immature. Why is that different now?
Even @ A&M I was just never overly impressed by him. He always seemed like one of those guys who was a great college player but wouldn't hack it in the NFL the same way.
I think Mike Evans made him look better than he really was. A lot of his game was improv and that doesn't work in the pros.
I have nothing against him. I'd love to see him turn his life entirely around and succeed in the pros. I just don't see it.
God, people are illiterate. The point is that he's not a moron. The whole point of this freakin thread is to show that he's finally grown up and understand the position he's in. He regrets his immaturity and appreciates the opportunity.
I think Mike Evans made him look better than he really was. A lot of his game was improv and that doesn't work in the pros.
Somewhat, but it was more Manziel. Mobil QBs with talent on the outside have proven to be the kryptonite for Saban - Manziel, Watson, Kelly...
I wish him all the best in that, and while I think it’s a long shot bc teams are as scared of bad PR as ever these days, if he does get another NFL shot I’ll be rooting for him. IMO he’s always had the skills to play in the NFL, he just didn’t get his head right when he got his first chance
If he never gets another shot, I hope he stays sober and helps others do so too
You're right, Jacksonville would probably be the best fit for him. I think a stable well run organization like the Giants or Steelers would be great places for him but the constant media scrutiny in NY would be a concern.
Manziel joining an NFL roster would become a circus pretty quickly. That distraction is what a franchise would have to risk - and given the fact that he's 25 and hasn't played much meaningful football combined, let alone in the past 12 months, doesn't bode well for him.
Will be interesting to look back on 2 years from now. Either he won't get the shot, or someone will be rewarded or punished for their decision to move forward with him. I think it's the former.
Don't spoil a heart-warming story!
If he doesn't make i back to the NFL, he will probably volunteer at an orphanage. Or maybe he will go back to partying his ass off just like most other athletes who give you a sob story about being a changed man.
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He's your prototypical very good college player who can't translate to the NFL. Why bring him on to be a backup when he's such a moron.
God, people are illiterate. The point is that he's not a moron. The whole point of this freakin thread is to show that he's finally grown up and understand the position he's in. He regrets his immaturity and appreciates the opportunity.
You may be persuaded that he has changed and matured based on interviews, but it is ridiculous to not understand how other people would not be persuaded by interviews alone. If this guy lights up the CFL this year and is a model ciizen, he probably will not get a sniff in the NFL. If I were a team owner I would need a lot more than a single year to convince me he "gets it now."
I'm glad you have faith in Manziel as a changed person, and I hope for his sake he is. But not being persuaded by a few interviews is not some sort of illogical position to hold.
Well yeah, I didn't say he is ready now. Thats my point. I think he's turned his life around and I think his game WILL show that. That's kinda the point of this thread.
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He's your prototypical very good college player who can't translate to the NFL. Why bring him on to be a backup when he's such a moron.
God, people are illiterate. The point is that he's not a moron. The whole point of this freakin thread is to show that he's finally grown up and understand the position he's in. He regrets his immaturity and appreciates the opportunity.
You may be persuaded that he has changed and matured based on interviews, but it is ridiculous to not understand how other people would not be persuaded by interviews alone. If this guy lights up the CFL this year and is a model ciizen, he probably will not get a sniff in the NFL. If I were a team owner I would need a lot more than a single year to convince me he "gets it now."
I'm glad you have faith in Manziel as a changed person, and I hope for his sake he is. But not being persuaded by a few interviews is not some sort of illogical position to hold.
When did I say that? Where in this thread did I saw that it's illogical to suggest that he hasn't changed?
As for an NFL QB no chance in hell that will happen
He was never that good and made it on the hype.
As for an NFL QB no chance in hell that will happen
He was never that good and made it on the hype.
GMs/NFL scouts don't draft on hype, not that early in the draft - although Michael Sam was drafted on hype, but that was an outlier based on the Rams helping the NFL front office look progressive.
Maneil was over-drafted based on what some - in his case, Cleveland - thought he could become in the NFL.
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as the 32 GMs who didn't sign him, even to be a third string QB. He had a pro day. He's had his interviews. Nobody took a chance on him to even put him on a practice squad. I think that tells you that the NFL GMs are thinking that talk is cheap. Let's see if he can play for 2 years in Canada without self destructing.
Well yeah, I didn't say he is ready now. Thats my point. I think he's turned his life around and I think his game WILL show that. That's kinda the point of this thread.
No, what you said was, "now that his head is screwed one straight, I'm intrigued."
And what I'm saying is that he still has to prove that his head is screwed on straight. Talk, is just that. Bullshit only goes so far. Prove it.
Where he was drafted or would have been drafted is irrelevant. He’s a small framed scrambling QB who put up jump balls to Evans and didn’t have to make very many reads (in the games I watched). He has no place in the NFL.
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as the 32 GMs who didn't sign him, even to be a third string QB. He had a pro day. He's had his interviews. Nobody took a chance on him to even put him on a practice squad. I think that tells you that the NFL GMs are thinking that talk is cheap. Let's see if he can play for 2 years in Canada without self destructing.
Well yeah, I didn't say he is ready now. Thats my point. I think he's turned his life around and I think his game WILL show that. That's kinda the point of this thread.
No, what you said was, "now that his head is screwed one straight, I'm intrigued."
And what I'm saying is that he still has to prove that his head is screwed on straight. Talk, is just that. Bullshit only goes so far. Prove it.
Fair point.
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he would have been drafted even sooner. His attitude and immaturity was a big reason why he dropped. His talent and upside didn't disappear. If he stays on the straight and narrow for 2 years, I think someone will tkae a shot on him.
Where he was drafted or would have been drafted is irrelevant. He’s a small framed scrambling QB who put up jump balls to Evans and didn’t have to make very many reads (in the games I watched). He has no place in the NFL.
This makes no sense at all. Where he was drafted or who would draft him where is all that matters. What Uconn thinks doesn't matter because you don't make the decisions. NFL teams do. Clearly there are a lot of teams that are intrigued by his skillset. I believe his attitude and immaturity are the reason it didn't work out. IF he truly has his head screwed on straight and proves it in his current situation, then NFL teams will ONCE AGIN want to give him a shot.
Maybe he gets a tryout, but him actually being good, which is what I am talking about, isn’t very likely at all.
7 TDs, 7 INTs and 7 fumbles along with 22 sacks in about half a season of games started is the resume that he has. When 2019 and 2020 comes he will be 6 years removed from college and approaching 30....
I hope he works his ass off and stays clean and gets a shot, but I don’t see it working out. No idea why that opinion is unreasonable, if anything, yours is.
Unless there’s some unprecedented massive transformation in playing style, I simply do not see it. That isn’t being close minded, it’s being realistic.
We have folks on BBI who are ready to anoint mid round QBs as hier apparents, when they’ve shown much less than a younger Manziel.
2) Manziel is a backup CFL quarterback because he just joined the team a week or so ago. Let’s not engage in a “gotcha” battle of semantics or pretend that Manziel’s place on the depth chart indicates anything regarding his play.
3) The worry that I have with the “new and improved” Johnny is that he’s too wily and intelligent to not have some lingering doubts that it’s a charade. He presented a similar rejuvenated persona to the Browns in his second year but simply shift his inebriation from the public domain to private until that unraveled.
Yes, this time does seem different - at the very least his wife seems to be a grounding influence in his life- but a year or two in obscurity (Hamilton) will help him Home his game, develop himself as a person, and prove to the outside world that he’s sober and football is a priority.
I’m a huge unabashed Manziel fan and am rooting for him, and it’s nice to hear folks buying into the comeback but Johnny still has much to prove. I’m absolutely convinced that the talent is there but he has to demonstrate real change through an elongated timeframe.
I get it, he's a polarizing figure and people like you don't like him. The reality is that he was a highly thought of QB prospect who had a lot of success in college that had major problems. If he cleans up his act and continues to prove that over the next few years in the CFL, someone will give him a chance at a minimum contract. He clearly had the skillset for the NFL when he was coming out of college, the guy was a first round pick.
Teams came out for his pro day to see what he had. Now he needs to prove that he has it between the ears and I bet nfl teams will keep a close eye on him. That is all.
I really don’t get what the point of this is. I’m not making this up, he was a good college player who wasn’t good in the NFL. Him being drafted in the first round is the only reason we even know this guys name but that was almost 5 years ago, it’s not like he hurt his knee, never played an NFL down and is making a comeback.
I don't think it'll be negative press up front, but it's going to be a circus nonetheless. Not quite as bad as Tebow, but it's going to be a zoo.
If he succeeds, and makes it back to the NFL and does well, you'll see plenty of positive press. Likewise, if he doesn't you'll see nothing but 'well, what did you expect' type stories.
If I'm a GM of a team in need of a QB, the only way Manziel warrants consideration is if he's tearing the CFL apart. That's the only way it's warranted; you don't know if his game will translate at the NFL level. You don't know if the extra pressure could cause a relapse. Too many unknowns to take the risk.
I don't know too much about addiction, but I know pressure does shitty things to people. If the guy has had mental health and substance abuse problems, if he were my son, I'd tell him to hang 'em up. Just my opinion, because I don't feel that situation and his health history make a good combination.
That’ll be an excuse to keep this thread going!
And the Browns took him a bit earlier than projected, because, well, Browns.
I hope he keeps his life going in the right direction. I don't care if football has anything to do with that.
I never understood that about the whole “root for the second chance guy” either. Manziel put his life and the the people around him in danger throughout his entire drunken coke bender with felt like it was years long. Why should I root for him?
Why aren’t you rootin harder and care more about Teddy Bridgewater? A guy who sustained a horrific injury, who proved he can play in the league and is, by all accounts, a standup human being?
I hope Manziel cleans his life up, but other than that he can take a hike.
I really don’t get what the point of this is. I’m not making this up, he was a good college player who wasn’t good in the NFL. Him being drafted in the first round is the only reason we even know this guys name but that was almost 5 years ago, it’s not like he hurt his knee, never played an NFL down and is making a comeback.
Let’s not brownwash Manziel’s on-field performance
He’s the type of player who can flash here and here but will ultimately make mistakes and or get hurt trying. He was hurt in his 2nd NFL game and then suffered a concussion in his second year. And those were just the main injuries.
He wasn’t a good nfl player.
He’s the type of player who can flash here and here but will ultimately make mistakes and or get hurt trying. He was hurt in his 2nd NFL game and then suffered a concussion in his second year. And those were just the main injuries.
He wasn’t a good nfl player.
He’s the type of player who can flash here and here but will ultimately make mistakes and or get hurt trying. He was hurt in his 2nd NFL game and then suffered a concussion in his second year. And those were just the main injuries.
He wasn’t a good nfl player.
Pointing to a game against PIT where he threw for 372 yards is silly. He still only threw 1 TD pass that day to go along with a pick and they got blown out. I don't remember the game and I'm sure I didn't watch it, but it's probably safe to assume that PIT was playing soft/prevent for most of the second half. The yardage really isn't that impressive. There are games where the score is out of reach and QB's just keep dumping the ball underneath and rack up YAC yardage. That was probably one of them.
You literally cannot point to a single other performance and say it was impressive. The best he did outside of that game against the Steelers was 172 yards and 2 TD's against a crappy Titans team - he completed 8 passes. 8.
Like I've said before - if Manziel the person is turning his life around, that is awesome and I really do applaud him for getting the help he needed and for being brave enough to admit that it was necessary. That stuff is all great - I have nothing against the guy personally.
I just don't see the player ever succeeding in the NFL. He's missed a lot of time now, and it's just hard to suddenly re-enter the league at age 26 or 27 or whatever and suddenly swing it.
Best case scenario for him is probably like.. Joey Harrington. And even that would surprise me.
He sucked in the NFL. Point blank, period. Reach and cherry pick all of the rose colored glasses stats you want. They all point to one undeniable fact, he sucked.
Manziel is not, and never will be a staring QB in the NFL. And guess what? He’ll still be well off despite that. This isn’t some feel great, street urchin, pull up your bootstraps story. He’s a rich brat who was handed everything in his life and thought the world revolved around him.
Good for him if he’s actually combating his demons and turning his own life around. IMO, it remains to be seen. But let’s not correlate one thing with the other. Just because he’s currently on the straight and narrow and got a BACKUP job on a CFL team, does not mean he’s some great, lost talent. The NFL has seen many great college QB Cinderella’s with less sordid stories become completely obsolete washouts. Johnny Manziel is no different than them.
and another thing -- who cares?