Since signing with the CFL, Manziel has done his share of interviews. I believe that this is a changed person and he finally "gets it". When you hear him speak, he sounds mature, he sounds regretful, he sounds coachable, appreciative of this opportunity and focused.
This was a guy that was on a collision course to destruction, but he's still only 25. I love redepmtion stories because not everyone follows the same path. Not everyone is Saquan Barkley that are wise beyond their years. Some guys are late to understand what life is about. Some guys are later to mature and appreciate the opportunity to play football.
I was not a fan of his coming into the NFL, but I am hoping the Giants are watching him closely. He didn't fail in the NFL based on a lack of talent and now that his head is screwed one straight, I'm intrigued.
And he SUCKS as a QB. Why the fuck would the Giants be watching for this turd?
Not a shot at him, just reality given how difficult it is to succeed on the NFL level.
Manziel.
Book it.
Sike!
1. The guy was a disaster and a trainwreck of a human being. He hasn't played in forever and finally is getting back into the game. Of course he's starting at the freaking bottom, but my whole freaking point is that I don't think this is his final place. He's very talented and now that his head is on straight, I think he will have a chance to move up the chains.
2. When I say soon, I don't think it will be this year. I'm assuming that he has the ability to go to the NFL when he's still under contract, but I can see next year if he produces this season.
Manziel doesn't suck at all. He's extremly talented and he's not a pocket passer, but the skillset is def there(which is why he was a first round pick despite being completely immature).
Also, when people say he is so far from the NFL. Remember, a few years ago he was a 21 year old coming into the NFL. He needed work then and now he's still only 25.
This is far from the truth. Please cite with examples because everything that I've seen and read is the exact opposite of this. If you haven't seen any interviews with Manziel, I'd recommend taking a look and then tell me that he hasn't matured and changed.
Here's an example(by the way, he's committed to two full years in the CFL). The interview I saw on SC was different, but this one is good.
Also, his HC has NFL experience and knows offense.
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It's certainly a fair opinion to have, but I'm not sure why you think that. When he was coming out of college, he was a first rounder. I'm sure most teams would have drafted him even earlier if he wasn't so immature. Why is that different now?
I don't like anything about his game, outside of his improvisation skills - which I'm still dubious about conveying to the NFL, and think he would need the exact right situation to have any chance to be effective if his number is called.
Just the wrong size, the wrong arm talent, the wrong make-up, etc.
There's your incumbent in Hamilton.
What a pair.
Manziel joining an NFL roster would become a circus pretty quickly. That distraction is what a franchise would have to risk - and given the fact that he's 25 and hasn't played much meaningful football combined, let alone in the past 12 months, doesn't bode well for him.
Will be interesting to look back on 2 years from now. Either he won't get the shot, or someone will be rewarded or punished for their decision to move forward with him. I think it's the former.
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Even if he "gets it," I don't think he's good enough to play in the NFL.
It's certainly a fair opinion to have, but I'm not sure why you think that. When he was coming out of college, he was a first rounder. I'm sure most teams would have drafted him even earlier if he wasn't so immature. Why is that different now?
Even @ A&M I was just never overly impressed by him. He always seemed like one of those guys who was a great college player but wouldn't hack it in the NFL the same way.
I think Mike Evans made him look better than he really was. A lot of his game was improv and that doesn't work in the pros.
I have nothing against him. I'd love to see him turn his life entirely around and succeed in the pros. I just don't see it.
God, people are illiterate. The point is that he's not a moron. The whole point of this freakin thread is to show that he's finally grown up and understand the position he's in. He regrets his immaturity and appreciates the opportunity.
I think Mike Evans made him look better than he really was. A lot of his game was improv and that doesn't work in the pros.
Somewhat, but it was more Manziel. Mobil QBs with talent on the outside have proven to be the kryptonite for Saban - Manziel, Watson, Kelly...
I wish him all the best in that, and while I think it’s a long shot bc teams are as scared of bad PR as ever these days, if he does get another NFL shot I’ll be rooting for him. IMO he’s always had the skills to play in the NFL, he just didn’t get his head right when he got his first chance
If he never gets another shot, I hope he stays sober and helps others do so too
You're right, Jacksonville would probably be the best fit for him. I think a stable well run organization like the Giants or Steelers would be great places for him but the constant media scrutiny in NY would be a concern.
Manziel joining an NFL roster would become a circus pretty quickly. That distraction is what a franchise would have to risk - and given the fact that he's 25 and hasn't played much meaningful football combined, let alone in the past 12 months, doesn't bode well for him.
Will be interesting to look back on 2 years from now. Either he won't get the shot, or someone will be rewarded or punished for their decision to move forward with him. I think it's the former.
Don't spoil a heart-warming story!
If he doesn't make i back to the NFL, he will probably volunteer at an orphanage. Or maybe he will go back to partying his ass off just like most other athletes who give you a sob story about being a changed man.
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He's your prototypical very good college player who can't translate to the NFL. Why bring him on to be a backup when he's such a moron.
God, people are illiterate. The point is that he's not a moron. The whole point of this freakin thread is to show that he's finally grown up and understand the position he's in. He regrets his immaturity and appreciates the opportunity.
You may be persuaded that he has changed and matured based on interviews, but it is ridiculous to not understand how other people would not be persuaded by interviews alone. If this guy lights up the CFL this year and is a model ciizen, he probably will not get a sniff in the NFL. If I were a team owner I would need a lot more than a single year to convince me he "gets it now."
I'm glad you have faith in Manziel as a changed person, and I hope for his sake he is. But not being persuaded by a few interviews is not some sort of illogical position to hold.
Well yeah, I didn't say he is ready now. Thats my point. I think he's turned his life around and I think his game WILL show that. That's kinda the point of this thread.
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He's your prototypical very good college player who can't translate to the NFL. Why bring him on to be a backup when he's such a moron.
God, people are illiterate. The point is that he's not a moron. The whole point of this freakin thread is to show that he's finally grown up and understand the position he's in. He regrets his immaturity and appreciates the opportunity.
You may be persuaded that he has changed and matured based on interviews, but it is ridiculous to not understand how other people would not be persuaded by interviews alone. If this guy lights up the CFL this year and is a model ciizen, he probably will not get a sniff in the NFL. If I were a team owner I would need a lot more than a single year to convince me he "gets it now."
I'm glad you have faith in Manziel as a changed person, and I hope for his sake he is. But not being persuaded by a few interviews is not some sort of illogical position to hold.
When did I say that? Where in this thread did I saw that it's illogical to suggest that he hasn't changed?
As for an NFL QB no chance in hell that will happen
He was never that good and made it on the hype.
As for an NFL QB no chance in hell that will happen
He was never that good and made it on the hype.
GMs/NFL scouts don't draft on hype, not that early in the draft - although Michael Sam was drafted on hype, but that was an outlier based on the Rams helping the NFL front office look progressive.
Maneil was over-drafted based on what some - in his case, Cleveland - thought he could become in the NFL.
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as the 32 GMs who didn't sign him, even to be a third string QB. He had a pro day. He's had his interviews. Nobody took a chance on him to even put him on a practice squad. I think that tells you that the NFL GMs are thinking that talk is cheap. Let's see if he can play for 2 years in Canada without self destructing.
Well yeah, I didn't say he is ready now. Thats my point. I think he's turned his life around and I think his game WILL show that. That's kinda the point of this thread.
No, what you said was, "now that his head is screwed one straight, I'm intrigued."
And what I'm saying is that he still has to prove that his head is screwed on straight. Talk, is just that. Bullshit only goes so far. Prove it.
Where he was drafted or would have been drafted is irrelevant. He’s a small framed scrambling QB who put up jump balls to Evans and didn’t have to make very many reads (in the games I watched). He has no place in the NFL.
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as the 32 GMs who didn't sign him, even to be a third string QB. He had a pro day. He's had his interviews. Nobody took a chance on him to even put him on a practice squad. I think that tells you that the NFL GMs are thinking that talk is cheap. Let's see if he can play for 2 years in Canada without self destructing.
Well yeah, I didn't say he is ready now. Thats my point. I think he's turned his life around and I think his game WILL show that. That's kinda the point of this thread.
No, what you said was, "now that his head is screwed one straight, I'm intrigued."
And what I'm saying is that he still has to prove that his head is screwed on straight. Talk, is just that. Bullshit only goes so far. Prove it.
Fair point.
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he would have been drafted even sooner. His attitude and immaturity was a big reason why he dropped. His talent and upside didn't disappear. If he stays on the straight and narrow for 2 years, I think someone will tkae a shot on him.
Where he was drafted or would have been drafted is irrelevant. He’s a small framed scrambling QB who put up jump balls to Evans and didn’t have to make very many reads (in the games I watched). He has no place in the NFL.
This makes no sense at all. Where he was drafted or who would draft him where is all that matters. What Uconn thinks doesn't matter because you don't make the decisions. NFL teams do. Clearly there are a lot of teams that are intrigued by his skillset. I believe his attitude and immaturity are the reason it didn't work out. IF he truly has his head screwed on straight and proves it in his current situation, then NFL teams will ONCE AGIN want to give him a shot.
Maybe he gets a tryout, but him actually being good, which is what I am talking about, isn’t very likely at all.
7 TDs, 7 INTs and 7 fumbles along with 22 sacks in about half a season of games started is the resume that he has. When 2019 and 2020 comes he will be 6 years removed from college and approaching 30....
I hope he works his ass off and stays clean and gets a shot, but I don’t see it working out. No idea why that opinion is unreasonable, if anything, yours is.
Unless there’s some unprecedented massive transformation in playing style, I simply do not see it. That isn’t being close minded, it’s being realistic.