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Johnny Manziel - I think he will be in the NFL soon...

Keith : 5/25/2018 11:50 am
Since signing with the CFL, Manziel has done his share of interviews. I believe that this is a changed person and he finally "gets it". When you hear him speak, he sounds mature, he sounds regretful, he sounds coachable, appreciative of this opportunity and focused.

This was a guy that was on a collision course to destruction, but he's still only 25. I love redepmtion stories because not everyone follows the same path. Not everyone is Saquan Barkley that are wise beyond their years. Some guys are late to understand what life is about. Some guys are later to mature and appreciate the opportunity to play football.

I was not a fan of his coming into the NFL, but I am hoping the Giants are watching him closely. He didn't fail in the NFL based on a lack of talent and now that his head is screwed one straight, I'm intrigued.
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He's a backup to a CFL QB.  
Geomon : 5/25/2018 11:53 am : link
Yeah, he ain't coming back.
Does he have to play out his 2-year CFL deal?  
est1986 : 5/25/2018 11:57 am : link
I don’t think they would just let him walk away after 1 year... ecspecially if he plays well and draws a good crowd.
He’s “gotten it” a few times  
Big Blue '56 : 5/25/2018 11:57 am : link
since leaving College
I think so too.  
crackerjack465 : 5/25/2018 11:57 am : link
And I hope he makes it - plenty of people are idiots in their early 20s. I believe in second chances and I hope he gets another shot at the NFL. Now, don't screw it up again.
What is your definition of soon?  
ZogZerg : 5/25/2018 11:58 am : link
It won't be this year.

And he SUCKS as a QB. Why the fuck would the Giants be watching for this turd?
He's saying the right things, and I'm certainly not rooting  
jcn56 : 5/25/2018 12:00 pm : link
against him, but call me pessimistic that it works out on the NFL level for him. I think he has a couple of years at least that he'll have to put in to show he's not still an addict, not to mention that he can still play at a high level (he'll have to excel there first).

Not a shot at him, just reality given how difficult it is to succeed on the NFL level.
Future QB for the New York Giants.  
SHO'NUFF : 5/25/2018 12:03 pm : link
Not Webb. Not Lauletta.

Manziel.

Book it.

















Sike!
Shockingly, a lot of closed minded folks to start this thread,  
Keith : 5/25/2018 12:05 pm : link
which is not surprising or unexpected.

1. The guy was a disaster and a trainwreck of a human being. He hasn't played in forever and finally is getting back into the game. Of course he's starting at the freaking bottom, but my whole freaking point is that I don't think this is his final place. He's very talented and now that his head is on straight, I think he will have a chance to move up the chains.

2. When I say soon, I don't think it will be this year. I'm assuming that he has the ability to go to the NFL when he's still under contract, but I can see next year if he produces this season.

Manziel doesn't suck at all. He's extremly talented and he's not a pocket passer, but the skillset is def there(which is why he was a first round pick despite being completely immature).
He's def saying the right things  
Keith : 5/25/2018 12:08 pm : link
but you can usually tell when it's just lip service. He just seems so much more mature and controlled. When I listen to him and watch him speak, I believe what he is saying.

Also, when people say he is so far from the NFL. Remember, a few years ago he was a 21 year old coming into the NFL. He needed work then and now he's still only 25.
I don't know whether he'll make it back to the nfl or not,  
Ira : 5/25/2018 12:16 pm : link
but he's a much better person from the lesson's he's learned and that will serve him well for the rest of his life.
RE: He’s “gotten it” a few times  
Keith : 5/25/2018 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13975098 Big Blue '56 said:
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since leaving College


This is far from the truth. Please cite with examples because everything that I've seen and read is the exact opposite of this. If you haven't seen any interviews with Manziel, I'd recommend taking a look and then tell me that he hasn't matured and changed.

Here's an example(by the way, he's committed to two full years in the CFL). The interview I saw on SC was different, but this one is good.

Also, his HC has NFL experience and knows offense.
Link - ( New Window )
Fast forward to like 6:00  
Keith : 5/25/2018 12:25 pm : link
and tell me you aren't buying what he's selling.
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arcarsenal : 5/25/2018 12:26 pm : link
Even if he "gets it," I don't think he's good enough to play in the NFL.
He's  
DanMetroMan : 5/25/2018 12:27 pm : link
medicated now. Why is it impossible to believe his mental health issues held him back?
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Keith : 5/25/2018 12:28 pm : link
In comment 13975159 arcarsenal said:
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Even if he "gets it," I don't think he's good enough to play in the NFL.


It's certainly a fair opinion to have, but I'm not sure why you think that. When he was coming out of college, he was a first rounder. I'm sure most teams would have drafted him even earlier if he wasn't so immature. Why is that different now?
He may get a shot at a back-up spot...  
bw in dc : 5/25/2018 12:29 pm : link
That's plausible. New England was kicking his tires a few months back.

I don't like anything about his game, outside of his improvisation skills - which I'm still dubious about conveying to the NFL, and think he would need the exact right situation to have any chance to be effective if his number is called.

Just the wrong size, the wrong arm talent, the wrong make-up, etc.

Let's see him supersede....  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 5/25/2018 12:32 pm : link
Jeremiah Masoli first.

There's your incumbent in Hamilton.

What a pair.
He'll more likely  
Mike in Marin : 5/25/2018 12:32 pm : link
end up dead, wrapped around a tree in a car, than back in the NFL. Hopefully, he'll grow up before that happens.
His problem is he has to be better than good enough  
jcn56 : 5/25/2018 12:34 pm : link
He's a huge risk for someone - not so much in what you'll pay to sign/acquire him, but for the negative attention that his presence will command.

Manziel joining an NFL roster would become a circus pretty quickly. That distraction is what a franchise would have to risk - and given the fact that he's 25 and hasn't played much meaningful football combined, let alone in the past 12 months, doesn't bode well for him.

Will be interesting to look back on 2 years from now. Either he won't get the shot, or someone will be rewarded or punished for their decision to move forward with him. I think it's the former.
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arcarsenal : 5/25/2018 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13975165 Keith said:
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In comment 13975159 arcarsenal said:


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Even if he "gets it," I don't think he's good enough to play in the NFL.



It's certainly a fair opinion to have, but I'm not sure why you think that. When he was coming out of college, he was a first rounder. I'm sure most teams would have drafted him even earlier if he wasn't so immature. Why is that different now?


Even @ A&M I was just never overly impressed by him. He always seemed like one of those guys who was a great college player but wouldn't hack it in the NFL the same way.

I think Mike Evans made him look better than he really was. A lot of his game was improv and that doesn't work in the pros.
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arcarsenal : 5/25/2018 12:36 pm : link
That said, I'm glad Manziel the person is in a better place now. Because I really thought he was going to turn up dead in the not so distant past. Mental illness is a real issue and if that's something he was dealing with, I can certainly understand why he went down the road he did.

I have nothing against him. I'd love to see him turn his life entirely around and succeed in the pros. I just don't see it.
Bottom line is he just isn't that good for an NFL player  
PatersonPlank : 5/25/2018 12:40 pm : link
He's your prototypical very good college player who can't translate to the NFL. Why bring him on to be a backup when he's such a moron.
RE: Bottom line is he just isn't that good for an NFL player  
Keith : 5/25/2018 12:43 pm : link
In comment 13975195 PatersonPlank said:
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He's your prototypical very good college player who can't translate to the NFL. Why bring him on to be a backup when he's such a moron.


God, people are illiterate. The point is that he's not a moron. The whole point of this freakin thread is to show that he's finally grown up and understand the position he's in. He regrets his immaturity and appreciates the opportunity.
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bw in dc : 5/25/2018 12:43 pm : link
In comment 13975184 arcarsenal said:
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I think Mike Evans made him look better than he really was. A lot of his game was improv and that doesn't work in the pros.


Somewhat, but it was more Manziel. Mobil QBs with talent on the outside have proven to be the kryptonite for Saban - Manziel, Watson, Kelly...
He will have to play the entire season in the CFL  
Jay on the Island : 5/25/2018 12:47 pm : link
play well and show a level of commitment that confirms that he is serious about football now. If he does that there will be a few teams willing to give him a chance.
Far too early  
Giants : 5/25/2018 12:50 pm : link
to tell. Over the years we have heard a lot of players say the right thing, then reality hits. So what do I mean by reality. How does the player handle the ups and down of a full season. How about we wait and see how he end-ups to see how he did
The last place he needs to be is in NY  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/25/2018 1:11 pm : link
IF he were to make it back to the NFL it should be in a city where the temptations are limited.
Good post Keith, especially as you knew you’d invite shots  
mfsd : 5/25/2018 1:30 pm : link
from some folks. He’s clearly an addict, who didn’t give a fuck a couple years ago, but seems to be making a genuine effort to get clean and stay clean now

I wish him all the best in that, and while I think it’s a long shot bc teams are as scared of bad PR as ever these days, if he does get another NFL shot I’ll be rooting for him. IMO he’s always had the skills to play in the NFL, he just didn’t get his head right when he got his first chance

If he never gets another shot, I hope he stays sober and helps others do so too
Sorry, but I'm as skeptical  
Gman11 : 5/25/2018 1:52 pm : link
as the 32 GMs who didn't sign him, even to be a third string QB. He had a pro day. He's had his interviews. Nobody took a chance on him to even put him on a practice squad. I think that tells you that the NFL GMs are thinking that talk is cheap. Let's see if he can play for 2 years in Canada without self destructing.
RE: The last place he needs to be is in NY  
Jay on the Island : 5/25/2018 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13975237 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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IF he were to make it back to the NFL it should be in a city where the temptations are limited.

You're right, Jacksonville would probably be the best fit for him. I think a stable well run organization like the Giants or Steelers would be great places for him but the constant media scrutiny in NY would be a concern.
I could see Seattle giving him a chance  
Jay on the Island : 5/25/2018 1:55 pm : link
Pete Carroll loves to take chances on players and they were the last team to work out Kaepernick.
RE: His problem is he has to be better than good enough  
Les in TO : 5/25/2018 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13975182 jcn56 said:
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He's a huge risk for someone - not so much in what you'll pay to sign/acquire him, but for the negative attention that his presence will command.

Manziel joining an NFL roster would become a circus pretty quickly. That distraction is what a franchise would have to risk - and given the fact that he's 25 and hasn't played much meaningful football combined, let alone in the past 12 months, doesn't bode well for him.

Will be interesting to look back on 2 years from now. Either he won't get the shot, or someone will be rewarded or punished for their decision to move forward with him. I think it's the former.
bingo. even if he plays like doug flutie and warren moon, winning grey cups and CFL MVP awards, which he needs to prove he can do and is far from a given, he will need to show that he can stay out of trouble. if no nfl team will offer colin kapernick a contract for kneeling during the national anthem, it's going to take a sustained level of dominance in the CFL combined with a clean life off the field for an nfl team to take even a low value/risk flyer on him.
RE: He's a backup to a CFL QB.  
Vanzetti : 5/25/2018 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13975087 Geomon said:
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Yeah, he ain't coming back.


Don't spoil a heart-warming story!

If he doesn't make i back to the NFL, he will probably volunteer at an orphanage. Or maybe he will go back to partying his ass off just like most other athletes who give you a sob story about being a changed man.
good thread  
FThomas : 5/25/2018 2:19 pm : link
I'm actually fascinated to see how this turns out because I couldn't have cared less about him a few years ago, but its clear in his interviews and even social media that he is making a strong effort to change himself and the perception of him.
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Mike from Ohio : 5/25/2018 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13975201 Keith said:
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He's your prototypical very good college player who can't translate to the NFL. Why bring him on to be a backup when he's such a moron.



God, people are illiterate. The point is that he's not a moron. The whole point of this freakin thread is to show that he's finally grown up and understand the position he's in. He regrets his immaturity and appreciates the opportunity.


You may be persuaded that he has changed and matured based on interviews, but it is ridiculous to not understand how other people would not be persuaded by interviews alone. If this guy lights up the CFL this year and is a model ciizen, he probably will not get a sniff in the NFL. If I were a team owner I would need a lot more than a single year to convince me he "gets it now."

I'm glad you have faith in Manziel as a changed person, and I hope for his sake he is. But not being persuaded by a few interviews is not some sort of illogical position to hold.
RE: Sorry, but I'm as skeptical  
Keith : 5/25/2018 2:33 pm : link
In comment 13975287 Gman11 said:
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as the 32 GMs who didn't sign him, even to be a third string QB. He had a pro day. He's had his interviews. Nobody took a chance on him to even put him on a practice squad. I think that tells you that the NFL GMs are thinking that talk is cheap. Let's see if he can play for 2 years in Canada without self destructing.


Well yeah, I didn't say he is ready now. Thats my point. I think he's turned his life around and I think his game WILL show that. That's kinda the point of this thread.
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Keith : 5/25/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13975330 Mike from Ohio said:
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He's your prototypical very good college player who can't translate to the NFL. Why bring him on to be a backup when he's such a moron.



God, people are illiterate. The point is that he's not a moron. The whole point of this freakin thread is to show that he's finally grown up and understand the position he's in. He regrets his immaturity and appreciates the opportunity.



You may be persuaded that he has changed and matured based on interviews, but it is ridiculous to not understand how other people would not be persuaded by interviews alone. If this guy lights up the CFL this year and is a model ciizen, he probably will not get a sniff in the NFL. If I were a team owner I would need a lot more than a single year to convince me he "gets it now."

I'm glad you have faith in Manziel as a changed person, and I hope for his sake he is. But not being persuaded by a few interviews is not some sort of illogical position to hold.


When did I say that? Where in this thread did I saw that it's illogical to suggest that he hasn't changed?
jcn, Les,  
Keith : 5/25/2018 2:37 pm : link
I sort of disagree with you guys on that. IF Manziel has success in the CFL and continues to show maturity, good decision making and that he's changed, I don't think it will be negative press. Quite the opposite actually, I think it would be very positive press for that team. Clearly some don't like redemtion stories and prefer to see guys like Manziel destroy his life, but plenty of people love stories like this and will root for him.
I hope he is successful in  
larryflower37 : 5/25/2018 3:26 pm : link
Beating his addictions and turns into a productive human.
As for an NFL QB no chance in hell that will happen
He was never that good and made it on the hype.
All based on hype huh?  
Keith : 5/25/2018 3:44 pm : link
Don't get me wrong, I was never a Manziel fan(mostly because of his attitude though), but how is it "not a chance", he was never good? He was a freaking 1st round pick, so obviously front office teams don't agree. He had a full showing in his pro day, so obviously teams felt like he had the talent. I understand that they want to see him prove it and stay on the straight and narrow, but to be so definitive that he was never capable or worthy is just stupid. however, Im sure larry was a pro scout so he probably knows.
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bw in dc : 5/25/2018 3:51 pm : link
In comment 13975389 larryflower37 said:
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Beating his addictions and turns into a productive human.
As for an NFL QB no chance in hell that will happen
He was never that good and made it on the hype.


GMs/NFL scouts don't draft on hype, not that early in the draft - although Michael Sam was drafted on hype, but that was an outlier based on the Rams helping the NFL front office look progressive.

Maneil was over-drafted based on what some - in his case, Cleveland - thought he could become in the NFL.
If Manziel had his stuff together  
Keith : 5/25/2018 4:00 pm : link
he would have been drafted even sooner. His attitude and immaturity was a big reason why he dropped. His talent and upside didn't disappear. If he stays on the straight and narrow for 2 years, I think someone will tkae a shot on him.
RE: RE: Sorry, but I'm as skeptical  
Gman11 : 5/25/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13975345 Keith said:
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as the 32 GMs who didn't sign him, even to be a third string QB. He had a pro day. He's had his interviews. Nobody took a chance on him to even put him on a practice squad. I think that tells you that the NFL GMs are thinking that talk is cheap. Let's see if he can play for 2 years in Canada without self destructing.



Well yeah, I didn't say he is ready now. Thats my point. I think he's turned his life around and I think his game WILL show that. That's kinda the point of this thread.



No, what you said was, "now that his head is screwed one straight, I'm intrigued."

And what I'm saying is that he still has to prove that his head is screwed on straight. Talk, is just that. Bullshit only goes so far. Prove it.
RE: If Manziel had his stuff together  
UConn4523 : 5/25/2018 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13975417 Keith said:
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he would have been drafted even sooner. His attitude and immaturity was a big reason why he dropped. His talent and upside didn't disappear. If he stays on the straight and narrow for 2 years, I think someone will tkae a shot on him.


Where he was drafted or would have been drafted is irrelevant. He’s a small framed scrambling QB who put up jump balls to Evans and didn’t have to make very many reads (in the games I watched). He has no place in the NFL.
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Keith : 5/25/2018 4:28 pm : link
In comment 13975432 Gman11 said:
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In comment 13975287 Gman11 said:


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as the 32 GMs who didn't sign him, even to be a third string QB. He had a pro day. He's had his interviews. Nobody took a chance on him to even put him on a practice squad. I think that tells you that the NFL GMs are thinking that talk is cheap. Let's see if he can play for 2 years in Canada without self destructing.



Well yeah, I didn't say he is ready now. Thats my point. I think he's turned his life around and I think his game WILL show that. That's kinda the point of this thread.




No, what you said was, "now that his head is screwed one straight, I'm intrigued."

And what I'm saying is that he still has to prove that his head is screwed on straight. Talk, is just that. Bullshit only goes so far. Prove it.


Fair point.
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Keith : 5/25/2018 4:30 pm : link
In comment 13975436 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13975417 Keith said:


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he would have been drafted even sooner. His attitude and immaturity was a big reason why he dropped. His talent and upside didn't disappear. If he stays on the straight and narrow for 2 years, I think someone will tkae a shot on him.



Where he was drafted or would have been drafted is irrelevant. He’s a small framed scrambling QB who put up jump balls to Evans and didn’t have to make very many reads (in the games I watched). He has no place in the NFL.


This makes no sense at all. Where he was drafted or who would draft him where is all that matters. What Uconn thinks doesn't matter because you don't make the decisions. NFL teams do. Clearly there are a lot of teams that are intrigued by his skillset. I believe his attitude and immaturity are the reason it didn't work out. IF he truly has his head screwed on straight and proves it in his current situation, then NFL teams will ONCE AGIN want to give him a shot.
Also,  
Keith : 5/25/2018 4:32 pm : link
Manziel as a 1st round pick who his handed the keys to the offense is not the same as Manziel who is on a 1 year prove it, close to minimum NFL deal(which is what he would get if he gets another shot). I'll take the latter because I do think he can have some short term success with his skillset.
Ok, you win  
UConn4523 : 5/25/2018 4:39 pm : link
You are right, teams will be lining up to give a former crack head who wasn’t good when he was in the NFL, another shot because he was a good college player.

Maybe he gets a tryout, but him actually being good, which is what I am talking about, isn’t very likely at all.

7 TDs, 7 INTs and 7 fumbles along with 22 sacks in about half a season of games started is the resume that he has. When 2019 and 2020 comes he will be 6 years removed from college and approaching 30....
And why are teams still clearly interested?  
UConn4523 : 5/25/2018 4:42 pm : link
being interested in 2014 is almost entirely irrelevant. He wasn’t good in the NFL and despite what he’s selling, he will always be a suspension waiting to happen. He will have to be in a substance abuse program for any team that takes him on. How much baggage are teams willing to take on? Less and less from what I can tell.

I hope he works his ass off and stays clean and gets a shot, but I don’t see it working out. No idea why that opinion is unreasonable, if anything, yours is.
You are also completely flossing over his size  
UConn4523 : 5/25/2018 4:50 pm : link
he got absolutely pounded in the not even full season he played. Beaten and battered because he just doesn’t have the size for his style of play. And he isn’t a good enough passer to sit in the pocket.

Unless there’s some unprecedented massive transformation in playing style, I simply do not see it. That isn’t being close minded, it’s being realistic.
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