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adamg : 5/26/2018 4:05 pm
Gardner CF
Judge RF
Gregorius SS
Stanton LF
Sanchez DH
Bird 1B
Andujar 3B
Romine C
Torres 2B

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Hit the showers, kid.  
bceagle05 : 5/26/2018 8:39 pm : link
We'll try to bail you out yet again.
RE: RE: RE: How many pass balls today  
Ace718 : 5/26/2018 8:39 pm : link
In comment 13976206 section125 said:
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In comment 13976203 DennyInDenville said:


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In comment 13976200 Bchurch said:


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If Sanchez was behind the plate?? Great job Romine.. and what a cannon checking Upton on 2nd.


Sanchez might have had Upton with his cannon tho



Ah, no.


You're saying Romine has a better arm than Sanchez?
Try to trade this guy  
Marty866b : 5/26/2018 8:39 pm : link
Maybe someone thinks he can pitch better in a new surrounding. Hopefully Cashman can package him in a deal for a pitcher. He is a huge disappointment.
RE: I’m ready for Sonny Grays Yankee career to be over  
DennyInDenville : 5/26/2018 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13976214 UConn4523 said:
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I’m the last guy to say something like that but the guy just isn’t meant for the big spotlight. Send him packing, he can’t play for a contender.

I concur
The Yanks gave up an excellent package of young players for Gray  
Ace718 : 5/26/2018 8:40 pm : link
This might be a trade that will haunt Cashman.
....  
BleedBlue : 5/26/2018 8:40 pm : link
Get me hamels and Happ.

We need two starting arms
would be great if they could get rid of this guy  
LG in NYC : 5/26/2018 8:41 pm : link
He is terrible, and I hate watching him pitch
Sonny Gray being Sonny Gray  
xman : 5/26/2018 8:41 pm : link
our weapon against the very bottom of bottom feeders. Time for the pen. Scrub Warren might replace him when he comes back.
We really need to get Monty back.  
Ace718 : 5/26/2018 8:42 pm : link
He might not be an ace or a number 2 but at least he pitches with guts and goes after batters. Really sucks that Chase Adams has also regressed so much at AAA.
RE: Sonny Gray being Sonny Gray  
Ace718 : 5/26/2018 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13976223 xman said:
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our weapon against the very bottom of bottom feeders. Time for the pen. Scrub Warren might replace him when he comes back.


Warren is no scrub.
RE: RE: RE: RE: How many pass balls today  
section125 : 5/26/2018 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13976217 Ace718 said:
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You're saying Romine has a better arm than Sanchez?


Where did I say that? I said Denny is full of shit and Sanchez would not have picked off Upton at 2nd. Catchers picking off runners at 2nd is virtually non existent. It doesn't happen unless the runner falls.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: How many pass balls today  
Ace718 : 5/26/2018 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13976227 section125 said:
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In comment 13976217 Ace718 said:


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You're saying Romine has a better arm than Sanchez?



Where did I say that? I said Denny is full of shit and Sanchez would not have picked off Upton at 2nd. Catchers picking off runners at 2nd is virtually non existent. It doesn't happen unless the runner falls.


I misunderstood your post.
I'd rather suffer through some growing pains with Sheffield  
Dave in Buffalo : 5/26/2018 8:45 pm : link
than watch another inning of Gray or German. CC and Tanaka, who knows? Maybe CC is destined to long relief.
RE: Try to trade this guy  
UConn4523 : 5/26/2018 8:48 pm : link
In comment 13976218 Marty866b said:
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Maybe someone thinks he can pitch better in a new surrounding. Hopefully Cashman can package him in a deal for a pitcher. He is a huge disappointment.


Ehh, would any of them even be playing? It certainly isn’t a trade that will haunt us, it’s just one that didn’t work out. Can’t win them all, just want to cut our losses and be done with it.
Weird how some pitchers can come to NY and just be a shell  
nyjuggernaut2 : 5/26/2018 8:49 pm : link
of who they were before arriving. Sonny Gray, Carl Pavano, AJ Burnett, etc.
Yankees hitters missing  
section125 : 5/26/2018 8:49 pm : link
meatballs almost every at bat if not a couple per at bat.
Sony...  
M.S. : 5/26/2018 8:49 pm : link

...Gray.

Yankees have a real major league fucking problem at starting pitching.

Tanaka, CC, Sony and forget about German.

We gotta problem.
strike one to Judge  
section125 : 5/26/2018 9:07 pm : link
was another one out of the zone...
this pitcher is not  
section125 : 5/26/2018 9:10 pm : link
good and the ump is helping him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: How many pass balls today  
Milton : 5/26/2018 9:17 pm : link
In comment 13976227 section125 said:
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Catchers picking off runners at 2nd is virtually non existent. It doesn't happen unless the runner falls.
Thurman Munson used to be great at picking guys off 2nd base. Carlton Fisk was better at picking guys off 1st base.
Cunt bag giving Barreia  
section125 : 5/26/2018 9:20 pm : link
a very wide zone and can't even call a pitch over the plate a strike for Kahnle.
Game  
BleedBlue : 5/26/2018 9:27 pm : link
Is over.


Gray consistently puts us in a hole.


Need starters asap.

Fucking sucks
More stellar work  
bceagle05 : 5/26/2018 9:27 pm : link
from our pitching staff. And yes, I know there was an error.
Just tuned in to this one  
mfsd : 5/26/2018 9:27 pm : link
I won’t even ask. I don’t need to. Because, Sonny Gray
I am not even going to blame Kahnle here...  
LarmerTJR : 5/26/2018 9:31 pm : link
Got squeezed on the first batter. Torres drops a DP turn. And Trout smokes one after fouling off a tough 0-2 pitch. After that he was shot...
Other than Sevi and Chapman s there anyone on this team that can pitch  
Dave in Buffalo : 5/26/2018 9:31 pm : link
???
I go to  
JoshB : 5/26/2018 9:31 pm : link
Make a 2:20 am sandwich, as you do, and come back 5 minutes later to no outs and loaded bases, smdh.
Kahnle looks like Tony Romo.  
bceagle05 : 5/26/2018 9:33 pm : link
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Brutal night  
BleedBlue : 5/26/2018 9:52 pm : link
...
Neither trade from last year  
Beer Man : 5/26/2018 10:15 pm : link
(with the A's and White Sox) is looking good right now. All the prospect talent given up, and we have pitchers that suddenly can't pitch anymore. Hopefully Cash doesn't piss away anymore of the teams prize prospects.
They didn’t throw  
mattyblue : 5/26/2018 10:15 pm : link
a pitch near Judge. Gardner should have been swinging on the called strike 3.
Don't understand Boone's thinking when he  
xman : 5/26/2018 10:19 pm : link
says if it ain't broke don't fix it with regard to moving Torres in the batting order. Yet it is broke with Didi and he doesn't fix it.
Looks like 4-4 in our last eight.  
bceagle05 : 5/26/2018 10:24 pm : link
I guess we were due to come back down to earth a little.
Typical Sonny response.  
bceagle05 : 5/26/2018 11:06 pm : link
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Bryan Hoch
Sonny Gray: “The stuff was good. The results weren’t.”
RE: Don't understand Boone's thinking when he  
Photoguy : 5/26/2018 11:13 pm : link
In comment 13976291 xman said:
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says if it ain't broke don't fix it with regard to moving Torres in the batting order. Yet it is broke with Didi and he doesn't fix it.



It makes me wonder just how long Boone's going to allow Didi to clog up the middle of the order. I love the guy, but right now he's pretty close to an automatic out. It's not going to kill Boone or Didi to move him down to the bottom third of the order until he gets back in the swing. Right now, I'd feel much more confident with Gleyber in the 3 hole. He's had some big, big hits, and I think he can handle the move. Just my .02.
Torres doesn't necessarily need to be moved up, but batting Didi 3rd  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/27/2018 3:06 am : link
is just being hard-headed right now. Didi simply doesn't have it at this point and it hurts the team to have him behind the top OBP player in the lineup.

Gardy
Stanton
Judge
Sanchez
Didi
Hicks
Andujar
Bird
Torres

Gardy
Torres
Judge
Sanchez
Stanton
Didi
Hicks
Bird
Andujar

In other news, Gray still sucks with Romine catching him. Any "improvement" we've seen is less about blocking pitches and more about game calling. Just tell Gary to call more fastballs.
The worse this starting pitching...  
M.S. : 5/27/2018 6:04 am : link

...shit show gets, the more Cashman will have to pay through the nose to secure anything decent.

Which young talent(s) are you willing to depart with for some middling starting pitcher?

Gray can’t be turned around. Plus I have yet to see  
Jim in Hoboken : 5/27/2018 8:45 am : link
Rothchild resurrect anyone’s career.

At this point you have to cut your losses when people still remember how he was in Oakland.

Let’s package Gray, Drury, and maybe Florial and Medina plus a reliever or two for MadBum. I’d like to hold onto Sheffield and Frazier. Sadly other than those two we have no significant prospects knocking on the door left.

Have to bring up Carroll or Coshaw and see what they have. Can’t be worse than Shreve or even Kanhle.
Shreve is playing himself off the roster...  
BC Eagles94 : 5/27/2018 8:54 am : link
This is his first year without options, which I thought would save him. But no way you can keep him and send down Holder. And I don't think you can even DFA Cole before DFA'ing Shreve at this point. IMO he is the next guy to go from bullpen...either when Warren returns or they go to 7-man bullpen.
Cashman suddenly went from a middling GM with a big  
Jim in Hoboken : 5/27/2018 8:56 am : link
payroll to a genius after two trades with Chicago and Cleveland.

I am not sure the fact that he hasn’t traded away any prospects of substance is because he’s just that good or our prospects have all been overhyped. His last couple of deals are still up in the air, but Gray and Drury haven’t exactly hit the ground running. And Stanton has been our 5th most impactful hitter and it’s not looking likely he will opt out. When it’s all said and done, do we really expect he will hit playoff pitching?

Certainly not time to panic yet, but the best case scenario is that Montgomery comes back healthy in a month and maybe Sheffield comes up to show what he can do. If neither happens then we might be in trouble in a month.
RE: Cashman suddenly went from a middling GM with a big  
rich in DC : 5/27/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 13976375 Jim in Hoboken said:
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payroll to a genius after two trades with Chicago and Cleveland.

I am not sure the fact that he hasn’t traded away any prospects of substance is because he’s just that good or our prospects have all been overhyped. His last couple of deals are still up in the air, but Gray and Drury haven’t exactly hit the ground running. And Stanton has been our 5th most impactful hitter and it’s not looking likely he will opt out. When it’s all said and done, do we really expect he will hit playoff pitching?

Certainly not time to panic yet, but the best case scenario is that Montgomery comes back healthy in a month and maybe Sheffield comes up to show what he can do. If neither happens then we might be in trouble in a month.


Wow- nothing like a bad loss to bring out the "doom and gloom" brigade.

This team is NOT in trouble. They have the second best record in baseball. They just finished a run where they won big series over all of the best teams in the league- including the Red Sox and Astros. They stumbled against Texas- it happens.

This team had a huge run with Stanton, Sanchez and Hicks essentially not contributing. Didi hasn't hit a thing for the month of May. Bird just began his season yesterday. The bullpen has suffered a big dropoff from last year, though the likelihood is that they eventually revert to their mean averages and improve.

This team is not playing its best ball- and they will improve. Right now, you can argue that the only hitter who is likely playing at an unsustainably high level is possibly Torres- though it is also possible that he is just this good.

Cashman was NEVER a middling GM- that is a fiction created by fans. He had a lot of interference from people in the front office over the years on deals- the ARod debacle, where Cashman wanted him gone, but Hank gave him a 10 year deal rates high on that list. He made a bad signing in Ellsbury- but that happens. His other moves have been fine.

The whole "he traded his way to a great farm system" is also a complete fiction. The Yanks made the decision more than 6 years ago to focus on player development. They drafted or signed young guys in IFA and developed them. Sanchez was their own IFA signing at age 16. So was Severino, Andujar and German.

Judge was a draft pick. So was Austin. So was Montgomery. Same with Betances, Warren (though they traded him away and traded to get him back), Romine, Holder, Kahnle (though they lost him in Rule 5 and traded to get him back).

The Yanks traded a C they drafted and developed (Murphy) for Hicks. Good trade. They drafted and developed Shane Greene- and traded him for Didi. Good trade. The yanks traded a reliever (Justin Wilson) for Green and Cessa.
Good trade.

The Yanks traded Warren (their own draft pick) for Torres. Torres eventually became Stanton (along with an IFA of their own and a guy they got in the McCann deal. Good trade. The Yanks trade four guys they drafted for Chapman. Good trade. They then traded Chapman for Torres, Warren (bringing him back), and a couple others.

The Yanks traded Miller to the Indians for Frazier (no opening in the OF yet) and Sheffield (plus two minor league relievers who haven't done much)

Look at their top 10 prospects. Torres was acquired in trade Adams (draft pick) Florial (IFA) were theirs. Sheffield came from the Indians. Andujar and Acevedo were their own IFAs. Abreu came from the Astros in the McCann deal. Perez is their own IFA. Sauer and Schmidt are their own draft picks.

I fail to understand people that bash Cashman- he essentially stopped George's interference and carefully guided Hal to be the Anti-George and allow him to build the team the right way.

Yet there is this vocal minority of fans that want the George way back- ignoring that the Yanks went through YEARS of drought under George- and that it was only when George got suspended by MLB that they were able to rebuild into what became the dynasty team. The Yanks are literally on the verge of another run like that.

But, bad losses bring out the doomsters.
I made a mistake  
rich in DC : 5/27/2018 10:57 am : link
the Yanks did not trade Warren for Torres. It was a bunch of their own minor leaguers for Chapman, and Chapman for Torres.
I see what I did there  
rich in DC : 5/27/2018 10:58 am : link
I meant to type in Castro, but put in Torres. So it was Warren for Castro, and Castro became Stanton. Looks like I have already tried to erase Castro from my memory.
Good points  
section125 : 5/27/2018 11:19 am : link
rich.

One rotten game does not doom the season. Another sketchy(maybe too strong) night for Boone (learning experience). Kahnle got absolutely screwed on a strike three non call that would have prevented a walk. Would have been 1st out of the inning and that is the most important out of the inning.
The batters consistently missed meatballs from Barria (Gary just missed a HR then proceeded to miss 3 or 4 more extremely hittable pitches.

Another day, another game.
RE: RE: Cashman suddenly went from a middling GM with a big  
M.S. : 5/27/2018 11:39 am : link
In comment 13976427 rich in DC said:
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In comment 13976375 Jim in Hoboken said:


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payroll to a genius after two trades with Chicago and Cleveland.

I am not sure the fact that he hasn’t traded away any prospects of substance is because he’s just that good or our prospects have all been overhyped. His last couple of deals are still up in the air, but Gray and Drury haven’t exactly hit the ground running. And Stanton has been our 5th most impactful hitter and it’s not looking likely he will opt out. When it’s all said and done, do we really expect he will hit playoff pitching?

Certainly not time to panic yet, but the best case scenario is that Montgomery comes back healthy in a month and maybe Sheffield comes up to show what he can do. If neither happens then we might be in trouble in a month.



Wow- nothing like a bad loss to bring out the "doom and gloom" brigade.

This team is NOT in trouble. They have the second best record in baseball. They just finished a run where they won big series over all of the best teams in the league- including the Red Sox and Astros. They stumbled against Texas- it happens.

This team had a huge run with Stanton, Sanchez and Hicks essentially not contributing. Didi hasn't hit a thing for the month of May. Bird just began his season yesterday. The bullpen has suffered a big dropoff from last year, though the likelihood is that they eventually revert to their mean averages and improve.

This team is not playing its best ball- and they will improve. Right now, you can argue that the only hitter who is likely playing at an unsustainably high level is possibly Torres- though it is also possible that he is just this good.

Cashman was NEVER a middling GM- that is a fiction created by fans. He had a lot of interference from people in the front office over the years on deals- the ARod debacle, where Cashman wanted him gone, but Hank gave him a 10 year deal rates high on that list. He made a bad signing in Ellsbury- but that happens. His other moves have been fine.

The whole "he traded his way to a great farm system" is also a complete fiction. The Yanks made the decision more than 6 years ago to focus on player development. They drafted or signed young guys in IFA and developed them. Sanchez was their own IFA signing at age 16. So was Severino, Andujar and German.

Judge was a draft pick. So was Austin. So was Montgomery. Same with Betances, Warren (though they traded him away and traded to get him back), Romine, Holder, Kahnle (though they lost him in Rule 5 and traded to get him back).

The Yanks traded a C they drafted and developed (Murphy) for Hicks. Good trade. They drafted and developed Shane Greene- and traded him for Didi. Good trade. The yanks traded a reliever (Justin Wilson) for Green and Cessa.
Good trade.

The Yanks traded Warren (their own draft pick) for Torres. Torres eventually became Stanton (along with an IFA of their own and a guy they got in the McCann deal. Good trade. The Yanks trade four guys they drafted for Chapman. Good trade. They then traded Chapman for Torres, Warren (bringing him back), and a couple others.

The Yanks traded Miller to the Indians for Frazier (no opening in the OF yet) and Sheffield (plus two minor league relievers who haven't done much)

Look at their top 10 prospects. Torres was acquired in trade Adams (draft pick) Florial (IFA) were theirs. Sheffield came from the Indians. Andujar and Acevedo were their own IFAs. Abreu came from the Astros in the McCann deal. Perez is their own IFA. Sauer and Schmidt are their own draft picks.

I fail to understand people that bash Cashman- he essentially stopped George's interference and carefully guided Hal to be the Anti-George and allow him to build the team the right way.

Yet there is this vocal minority of fans that want the George way back- ignoring that the Yanks went through YEARS of drought under George- and that it was only when George got suspended by MLB that they were able to rebuild into what became the dynasty team. The Yanks are literally on the verge of another run like that.

But, bad losses bring out the doomsters.

What you say is pretty much true, but what you leave out is the big stinking shit ball in the back seat right now:

OUR STARTING PITCHING ROTATION

Maybe we were all lulled into a false sense of security with their fairly strong start in April and early May, but it has been quite scary now -- save for Sevvy -- through a few turns of the rotation.

This is our Achilles heel... it certainly was before the season started. Everyone was talking about trying to secure another starter.

A few more weeks of this, and Cashman will be over-paying for one.
Why don't we just get it out of the way right now, Stanton was the  
Jim in Hoboken : 5/27/2018 11:45 am : link
ownership's call over being butthurt from Ohtani and Cash was totally against it? It's certainly nice the ownership is willing to write a 22M/year check to a scrub OF sitting out with a mysterious injury. Or maybe that was the ownership's forcing Cash's hand too?

He's not infallible, that's all I am saying. And that statement was made in anticipation of what he's about to do to fix the pitching staff. I am always on the side of playing the young guys, I don't flip flop overnight, and as of now I am just afraid that he'll trade away whatever little we have left.

You can say but we don't have any openings on the major league roster, but that's no reason to trade away good assets to cover bad investments.
Perspective  
Bill2 : 5/27/2018 11:53 am : link
Judge stunk up most of Late July and August. What did last September's record show?

None of these guys under 26 are even at their peak years yet. Yet they may well eventually match reasonably with the Core Four (plus Bernie) ( watch everyone distort the point) as the emphasis is on the word "Core" of a dynastic run

Torres : Jeter

Severino : Pettite

Sanchez : Posada

No one for Mariano

Judge : Bernie

Talents yet to show up for this team that we had to buy or rent or overlapped late ( Cano)

Again the idea is young "Core"

We are clearly building a long term dynasty. A huge hidden piece of strategy is getting under the luxury tax while investing more in prospects.

We may not make it to the WS this year. Does not change the idea that if careful we can still have a dynasty.

Given that this group of talent beyond the core is broader than where we were in 1995 and more is coming...imo...we should make each additional piece a long term add and not a George like short term headline.

Im thinking its next years team thats beyond exciting

imo


I'm all for staying the course and not advocating to trade the farm  
Jim in Hoboken : 5/27/2018 11:59 am : link
to "fix" this year's team. I'm not complaining in May why we are not the overwhelming favorites on paper with all-stars at every position, hell no.

Like I said, stop trading prospects for young vets who may or may not thrive in NY. Let's see what our own can do first.
RE: Good points  
Ace718 : 5/27/2018 12:13 pm : link
In comment 13976439 section125 said:
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rich.

One rotten game does not doom the season. Another sketchy(maybe too strong) night for Boone (learning experience). Kahnle got absolutely screwed on a strike three non call that would have prevented a walk. Would have been 1st out of the inning and that is the most important out of the inning.
The batters consistently missed meatballs from Barria (Gary just missed a HR then proceeded to miss 3 or 4 more extremely hittable pitches.

Another day, another game.


The strike zone for Yanks' pitches compared to Angels' pitchers was definitely different. Scioscia was letting the homeplate ump hear it from the start of the game and the zone got better for his pitchers. Boone does not stick up for his pitchers or batters when it comes to the zone. Scioscia bullied the ump into a better zone.
Sheffield and Florial are the only two prospects...  
Milton : 5/27/2018 12:26 pm : link
...I'd hate to see them trade. The Yankees are already stacked with youth at the Major League level, so parting with Minor League prospects isn't such a drag. The problem is that there really isn't anyone projected to be available who appears any more reliable than the guys they already have.
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