Ereck Flowers impressing

but that did not even remotely happen last year despite the "glowing reviews" we heard from summer camp and BBI-observers during preseason games about how improved he looked.

He sucked from start to finish in 2017, much like the rest of that O-line and Offense. You may have felt he was better during the middle of the season because he didn't "give up sacks" but that is folly as it is measuring improvement on one of the more subjective statistics in pro football.

I am not certain he can lock down the RT job, but even if he does, it is tough to imagine he is not just a "one-hit" wonder that will be playing somewhere else in 2018, or no where.

Let me know who you think takes over in 2018...

In comment 13979012 ColHowPepper said:

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In comment 13978990 UConn4523 said: Quote: is the phrase I’d use. No more McAdoo and the addition of Solder along with a presumably better HC means Flowers should finally improve. The question is how much. While I don’t expect Shurmur to say anything negative, there still can be truth to his comments. Agree except to say McAdoo (imo) went out of his way to protect/praise EF. In addition to Rosenhaus and esp. Solder, don't discount possibility that EF's mindset, not having to be the OL "savior" at LT, and with a proven vet anchoring there, takes performance pressure off, allows him to relax a bit and grow into the RT position.

I agree. By no more McAdoo I just meant, no more clueless coach who had no handle on this team...his franchise QB, his LT, no one. I agree with the pressure aspect especially, he can just work at getting better instead of working towards what has been impossible for him to date - play LT at a high enough level.

I agree with you guys saying better leadership in the locker room was an obvious early focus for DG, and could really help Flowers

End of last season he seemed according to some to give less than 100% and maybe develop an attitude problem when the rest of the team fell apart. Prior to that he has played through injury and apparently worked hard. Why wouldn't he show improvement with a new coaching staff, a clean slate, and lining up for the first time at the spot all his bbi critics have always claimed is his natural position ?

And is off to a “good” start this spring. You know who else looks good this time of year? About 50-60 guys on every roster in the entire league. Considering it’s Flowers, color me unimpressed.

I hope Flowers can make the transition to RT.....Problem is there is not much competition for him.....Wheeler? Backup material....

But I think he will be a one year rental.....

No doubt, his agent explained the facts of life to him....he is playing for his next contract.....it could be a vet min one year contract, a multiyear deal, or if he fails, the end of the road....

And play close to the first year value of the contract he might be offered by the Giants.

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And play close to the first year value of the contract he might be offered by the Giants.

Not quite certain that's how teams come to their evaluations.

I believe he can anchor much better than Jones.....he could be our answer at center.

I have always felt it was a mistake to put Flowers at LT. I always saw him as RT. At best.....if he delivers, that would be great......AND yet another example of the previous regime incompetence.

a weaker position than RT or RG?

RE: competition at RT.

Unfortunately at this time it appears Flowers will be handed the RT spot after being handed a starting position since he got here.

It would be nice if the Giants could pick up a vet OT to threaten his job.

but I'm not sure if it's worth much. It's OTA's, how bad to you have to be to suck without pads? I thought he was better last year than many were willing to give him credit for, so I'm hopeful that he'll be an efficient RT. My main concern is his attitude, how will he take to the position change, and if he is into it, that's a great sign.

from Flowers?

The frustration has always been that the consistent performance isn't there in games. I legitimately can't remember a time where the practices were showing that he was sucking it up.

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He is not the smartest nor most mature guy in the locker room. He strikes me as a guy that needs a very unique coaching personality to get the best out of him. I posted weeks ago about how impressed I was with Shurmur to date. Seems to have that it factor regarding communication and connecting to players. This is evident with guys like OBJ already. MY thoughts exactly. I was going to post these same comments. Thanks. He comes off very sincere, direct, and almost fatherly. He just might be exactly what Flowers needed.

In comment 13979839 jfosterBigBlue said:

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In comment 13978973 BillyM said: Quote: He is not the smartest nor most mature guy in the locker room. He strikes me as a guy that needs a very unique coaching personality to get the best out of him. I posted weeks ago about how impressed I was with Shurmur to date. Seems to have that it factor regarding communication and connecting to players. This is evident with guys like OBJ already. He comes off very sincere, direct, and almost fatherly. He just might be exactly what Flowers needed.

Sorry - goofed that up the first time...

MY thoughts exactly. I was going to post these same comments. Thanks.

The good news is that Flowers is motivated this year (it sounded as if he were also motivated last year). However, the better news is that if Flowers flounders, Wheeler is ready to take over and will be able to handle the ORT position without much of a loss in talent in pass blocking.

I think he will win the spot and be at least solid I know
thats asking for a lot but I think he is capable he had a
decent stretch last year in pass protection It would be great to see him lock down the RT spot it would go a long
ways in the re-build of the line hat to see a top 10 pick
wasted so just take a wait and see approach and hope for
the best .

more than anything else. If he is getting involved with Flowers this is good stuff IMO.