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Davis Webb winning an arms race by showing his brains

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/31/2018 7:51 am
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Webb's arm strength has been one of the biggest revelations through three pre-draft minicamp practices and five organized team activity practices. Where starting quarterback Eli Manning has been sharp on short and intermediate throws, Webb has stretched the field more with his reps.

An over-the-shoulder pass to a streaking Kalif Raymond for a diving completion was the highlight of Tuesday's practice.

"I trust my arm, maybe a little too much," Webb said, laughing when reminded of the Deayon anecdote. "I'm aggressive. Sometimes that plays to my benefit, and sometimes it doesn't."

Giants QB Davis Webb winning an arms race by showing his brains - ( New Window )
Being able to spin it in the stadium....  
nzyme : 5/31/2018 8:05 am : link
Even in this new stadium you'd better be able to spin when you need to and Webb has that ability. Pulling for this kid. IMHO they should have spent the Kyle Lauletta pick on another DL or CB.

You could have brought in a veteran to fill the role that Lauletta is going to play this year.
Lauletta pick was for Shurmur  
JonC : 5/31/2018 8:10 am : link
that suggests a few things including Webb.
It goes without saying,  
section125 : 5/31/2018 8:11 am : link
yet I will, let's see what happens when there is tackling and contact.
I don't believe his knock was his arm but his ability to read defenses and his technique.
We have wasted QB picks and roster spots,  
Doomster : 5/31/2018 8:18 am : link
keeping 3 qb's....

I can understand taking a qb with an unknown backup picked by the previous regime......

And you don't go into a season with one backup being a rookie....

So it looks like another roster spot will be wasted this year on a 3rd qb....

Unless Webb plays lights out in preseason.....but even so, if Eli does not show up this year, then these two guys are the future, unless we waste another draft pick on a qb next year, if these two backups don't pan out....
It has been pointed out..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/31/2018 8:22 am : link
before, but "wasting" a roster spot really doesn't happen in the NFL. That 53rd guy rarely plays, whether he is a QB or a different position.

But it often gives fans something to bitch about.
keeping 3 QBs is way more the norm  
Giantsfan79 : 5/31/2018 8:25 am : link
than keeping 2. And when you consider on 45 guys dress on Sundays keeping an extra developmental QB as one of those 8 inactive guys isn't a waste.
Throws like tarzan  
dep026 : 5/31/2018 8:27 am : link
plays like Jane?

His college film was very unimpressive to me. He has tangibles, hard working, and good attitude. But to me he is more of a robot back there than playmaker. He will only get a few chances to succeed before Lauletta gets his chance.
RE: It has been pointed out..  
Diver_Down : 5/31/2018 8:28 am : link
In comment 13979616 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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before, but "wasting" a roster spot really doesn't happen in the NFL. That 53rd guy rarely plays, whether he is a QB or a different position.

But it often gives fans something to bitch about.


Those same posters can't comprehend that 46 players are active on game day. So with their logic, there are 7 roster spots that are wasted every Sunday.
RE: RE: It has been pointed out..  
section125 : 5/31/2018 8:36 am : link
In comment 13979626 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 13979616 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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before, but "wasting" a roster spot really doesn't happen in the NFL. That 53rd guy rarely plays, whether he is a QB or a different position.

But it often gives fans something to bitch about.



Those same posters can't comprehend that 46 players are active on game day. So with their logic, there are 7 roster spots that are wasted every Sunday.


7th DL, 6th WR, 5th CB, 3rd QB - what difference does it make? They are not playing. At least the 3rd QB is likely developmental and has shown interesting ability. Keeping the 3rd QB allows training and conditioning that may transform a talented kid into a player (just like any other player).
People have already said Lauletta shows skills but needs to be bigger and see a faster game. It is not robbing Peter to pay Paul to keep him a year to see how it plays out.
46 active  
giants#1 : 5/31/2018 8:40 am : link
The presumption that only 46 are active on game day and thus you "can't waste a roster spot" relies on 46+ being healthy, which is rarely the case in the NFL. Once a few short term injuries pile up, a team can certainly find itself in a roster crunch.

For example, assume the Giants only keep 5 WRs due to the 3rd QB. Now Beckham pulls a hammy and Shepard suffers a concussion and is forced to miss a game. You're now down to only 3 healthy WRs which could restrict your play calling and leaves you dangerously thin if an injury occurs.

and I use Beckham/Shepard  
giants#1 : 5/31/2018 8:45 am : link
since you obviously aren't going to waive/injured or stash them on IR due to minor injuries. More likely, they'd have to cut depth elsewhere to sign an extra WR for a week or two.
Unless...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/31/2018 8:45 am : link
you have a lot of injuries - the type that are minor and wouldn't necessitate being put on IR - you still have roster manipulation. The 5th and 6th WR, the last two OL and the last two DL guys are usually interchangeable with street guys.

Overall depth is an issue in the NFL, but again - you have to have a 7 inactives per game and rarely are they all injured guys.

Bottom line is that keeping a 3rd QB has no impact on roster manipulation except in the most dire of situations.
We were spoiled for much of Eli's career  
Dr. D : 5/31/2018 8:46 am : link
having to keep only 2 QBs, largely because of his durability. But we were one of only a very small minority of teams that only kept 2.

I don't have a problem with the Giants drafting a QB to compete with Webb for the future starter job.

Some of the smart teams draft a QB every year. It is a pretty important position. (that was sarcasm btw, it's the most important position in all of sports - so why not have competition for the future starter).
Well, yes and no......  
Doomster : 5/31/2018 8:46 am : link
It has been pointed out..
FatMan in Charlotte : 8:22 am : link : reply
before, but "wasting" a roster spot really doesn't happen in the NFL. That 53rd guy rarely plays, whether he is a QB or a different position.


Since they only dress 45, you can lump the other 8 guys together?

When the injuries start to pile up, that 53rd guy is usually better than someone you sign off the street...and exactly who is that 53rd guy? a fourth round pick? 7th round pick? UDFA?

It looks like they are playing for now......and with a weakness in the defensive secondary, there were still DB's to be had, instead of taking a flyer on another qb......and if Webb doesn't work out, you get a vet, because if Eli goes down or has a bad year, then the qb backups are not going to do it...
RE: It has been pointed out..  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/31/2018 8:46 am : link
In comment 13979616 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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before, but "wasting" a roster spot really doesn't happen in the NFL. That 53rd guy rarely plays, whether he is a QB or a different position.

But it often gives fans something to bitch about.

Consider the source. Doomster recently complained about Flowers not firing out on passing plays and instead working backwards in pass pro. It's almost like you have to grade his takes on a curve.
The last DB..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/31/2018 8:50 am : link
and any of the DB's that were final cuts of other teams are interchangeble. And that holds true for almost all the positions.

So yeah, that final guy is easily replaceable.
RE: and I use Beckham/Shepard  
Diver_Down : 5/31/2018 8:55 am : link
In comment 13979636 giants#1 said:
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since you obviously aren't going to waive/injured or stash them on IR due to minor injuries. More likely, they'd have to cut depth elsewhere to sign an extra WR for a week or two.


Oh, Noos! A team that has fielded absolute crap on the OL for half a decade can't afford to lose the 7th OL. We certainly won't be able to be competitive by holding a roster spot for a 3rd QB while jettisoning the 7th rated OL on one of the worst units in the league.
Drafting a QB is a wasted pick IF you believe we are SB contenders.  
Marty in Albany : 5/31/2018 9:01 am : link
Since I don't think that we are, I think that finding a replacement QB for Eli is appropriate as there are no guarantees that Webb is the QB of the future, or (unfortunately) that Eli will rebound this season.

Granted, that the Giants owners and especially the coaches will pull out all the stops to win every game. No doubt they want the fans to THINK that the Giants are Super Bowl contenders--it's good for business--, but they know that teams don't usually (ever?) go from 3-13 to the Super Bowl.

Enjoy whatever improvement the Giants achieve this year, but lay off the Ambien.
I don't think Metlife is at all a challenging place to throw  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/31/2018 9:04 am : link
Not sure the old wisdom of arm strength being necessary here still applies. Giants Stadium legitimately funneled wind gusts a certain way on the field. Metlife is a modern piece of engineering.
Having two young QBs competing is the ideal  
Heisenberg : 5/31/2018 9:10 am : link
situation as far as I'm concerned.
RE: Lauletta pick was for Shurmur  
Section331 : 5/31/2018 9:13 am : link
In comment 13979605 JonC said:
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that suggests a few things including Webb.


I agree that the Lauletta pick was for Shurmer, but I'm not sure that it suggests anything about Webb. Shurmer had seen little of Webb going into the draft, so the Lauletta pick could just be taking a shot at what they thought was an undervalued player.
I think the increase to 46 compensated for 3 QB's  
Alex_Webster : 5/31/2018 9:13 am : link
That being said it helps Competition at this position. I really don't think there is real competition with Eli on Roster with just one back-up. I like the what they are doing. Yep Homer!!

The third quarterback rule was a rule in the National Football League that governed the use of a third quarterback in addition to the starter and the backup. The rule was abolished for the 2011 season, when the NFL increased the roster size to allow 46 players to dress for a game.[1]

The third quarterback did not count towards the team's 45-man active roster. If the third quarterback entered the game at any position during any of the first three quarters, the starter and backup became ineligible to play for the rest of the game;[2] the third quarterback could have entered the game in the fourth quarter while preserving the eligibility of the starter and backup.
Webb's  
AcidTest : 5/31/2018 9:13 am : link
arm strength was a given. The question was always whether he could learn to make the reads and throws required in the NFL after not having done so in college. That and learn to operate under center.

The Giants may well like Webb, even though he's from a previous regime. But Lauletta gives them another chance in case Webb isn't the answer.
Marty  
Dr. D : 5/31/2018 9:16 am : link
SB contenders don't draft QBs in the 4th rd to compete to be backup and future starter?

And do you really think we were a 3-13 team last year?

I think just replacing McAdoo with Shurmur would've improved that record by at least a few wins. Hell, Shurmur squeezed 5 wins out of a Browns roster that wasn't nearly as strong.

I'm not saying we will compete for the SB, but who the hell knows. Better coach, better playcalling, better OL, stud RB.. I think could result in a pretty drastic difference.
Keeping 3 QBs is the norm  
ZogZerg : 5/31/2018 9:19 am : link
Taking Lauletta in the 4th was a good pick.

Some of you guys just love to bitch....
RE: RE: Lauletta pick was for Shurmur  
JonC : 5/31/2018 9:20 am : link
In comment 13979691 Section331 said:
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that suggests a few things including Webb.



I agree that the Lauletta pick was for Shurmer, but I'm not sure that it suggests anything about Webb. Shurmer had seen little of Webb going into the draft, so the Lauletta pick could just be taking a shot at what they thought was an undervalued player.


I think that's partially it, and suspect their position on Webb isn't a terribly strong one.
Webb,  
oldog : 5/31/2018 9:21 am : link
is showing promising Character and developing the way that Reese projected when he was drafting. He has athleticism, including arm strength, and smarts. He works hard, he has mobility and a hard working positive attitude. Due to circumstances, coaching, and last year's staffing situation, including the line situation and Eli's attitude, he has not yet really been tried in action. He is now under better management. The universe, including giving Eli a chance at renewal, with a promising safety net, appears to be unfolding as it should.
Two Qbs have gone down in a single game  
spike : 5/31/2018 9:22 am : link
Knock on wood
Dr. D. I'm glad that neither of us is saying that we think we will  
Marty in Albany : 5/31/2018 9:33 am : link
be competing for the SB this season.

As for our 3-13 record: "You are what your record says you are."-- Bill Parcells

We seem to have drafted Ryan Nassib and Webb in the third and fourth rounds when we kinda thought we might be contenders for the SB. No?

We should be much improved this year. A new coach often heralds a winning season. Even McAdoo did that.
RE: We have wasted QB picks and roster spots,  
robbieballs2003 : 5/31/2018 9:40 am : link
In comment 13979613 Doomster said:
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keeping 3 qb's....

I can understand taking a qb with an unknown backup picked by the previous regime......

And you don't go into a season with one backup being a rookie....

So it looks like another roster spot will be wasted this year on a 3rd qb....

Unless Webb plays lights out in preseason.....but even so, if Eli does not show up this year, then these two guys are the future, unless we waste another draft pick on a qb next year, if these two backups don't pan out....


Yeah, wasted roster spot on a future QB. How stupid? I guess the Eagles wasted a roster spot on their QBs. Finding a future QB is extremely important so having Lauletta and Webb fight it out is in the best interest of this franchise. Who is this 54th player that is so valuable that we just have to have?
Marty  
Dr. D : 5/31/2018 9:47 am : link
you kind of made my point regarding drafting a QB while being a SB contender.. or maybe I missed yours. I thought you implied that we wouldn't have drafted one if we thought we were a contender. My guess is DG and Shurmur plan on contending.

Re. our record, yeah I remember that line from Parcells and agree to some extent, but also know the reality is that we replaced a really bad coach, etc.

How many times did Parcells (after he left the Giants) take a team with a really bad record and drastically improve them in one year?

I'm not comparing Shurmur to Parcells, but there's a reason a lot of people expected the Giants to contend last year. The main reason they didn't, imo, was due to an epic failure by the coaching staff.
2007, 2011,  
oldog : 5/31/2018 10:19 am : link
You are always an SB contender until you're not.
he says all the right  
Les in TO : 5/31/2018 10:24 am : link
things, and I like that he eats his elephant one bite at a time. I look forward to seeing him get some meaningful playing time this preseason.
The big problem with keeping the third QB is that fans have their  
wgenesis123 : 5/31/2018 10:53 am : link
favorites from camp that can't all make the roster. That roster spot occupied by the third QB sticks in their craw. Eli is at an age where even an iron-man can miss games, that third QB has value this year.
Drafting those two QBs are only "wasted" picks  
David B. : 5/31/2018 11:34 am : link
if both turn out as bad as Nasib (i.e. not even a decent backup). If they turn out to be decent players, the Giants will get value out of them on the field or in a trade.

Webb has all the tools including the big arm. You could see the athleticism in the preseason last year. Not sold on his accuracy, or the mental aspects of things. There's reasons he wasn't drafted high.

Lauletta has the mental stuff and is accurate, but not as big an arm, though he seems to have enough arm.
I'm okay with double-downing with Lauletta, especially with a 4th  
SHO'NUFF : 5/31/2018 11:35 am : link
It's a win-win.
OMG!  
Doomster : 5/31/2018 12:27 pm : link
RE: It has been pointed out..
Gatorade Dunk : 8:46 am : link : reply
Consider the source. Doomster recently complained about Flowers not firing out on passing plays and instead working backwards in pass pro. It's almost like you have to grade his takes on a curve.


This again? You never saw an OT stop a DE on a pass rush, dead in his tracks? Just watch old tapes of what happened to JPP.....As for back pedaling, on just about EVERY pass play, it's a good thing the ref blows the whistle at the end of the play, or Flowers would have ended up in the tunnel....
RE: RE: RE: Lauletta pick was for Shurmur  
Giants34 : 5/31/2018 12:33 pm : link
In comment 13979706 JonC said:
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In comment 13979605 JonC said:


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that suggests a few things including Webb.



I agree that the Lauletta pick was for Shurmer, but I'm not sure that it suggests anything about Webb. Shurmer had seen little of Webb going into the draft, so the Lauletta pick could just be taking a shot at what they thought was an undervalued player.



I think that's partially it, and suspect their position on Webb isn't a terribly strong one.


I think that was pretty clear. When Shumur was hired, he said the Vikings had Webb rated as a "draftable prospect". Maybe he could not divulge more information than that, but he did not seem to sing his praises too highly. Additionally, after the first round, Shurmur was asked whether the Giants passing on a QB said anything about Webb, and he flat out answered "no".

If Webb wins the No. 2 job, he is going to have to earn it. Right now, in OTAs, the Giants are making all the rookies - sans Barkley - earn their spots with the starters. But we know that Hernandez will be starting, and he is already mixing in with the ones. Lauletta will also start climbing up the depth chart as the spring and summer roll along. Essentially, for Webb to keep that No. 2 spot away from Lauletta, he will have to clearly outplay the rookie.
RE: OMG!  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/31/2018 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13979961 Doomster said:
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RE: It has been pointed out..
Gatorade Dunk : 8:46 am : link : reply
Consider the source. Doomster recently complained about Flowers not firing out on passing plays and instead working backwards in pass pro. It's almost like you have to grade his takes on a curve.


This again? You never saw an OT stop a DE on a pass rush, dead in his tracks? Just watch old tapes of what happened to JPP.....As for back pedaling, on just about EVERY pass play, it's a good thing the ref blows the whistle at the end of the play, or Flowers would have ended up in the tunnel....

You're not helping yourself here with this explanation. There is a reason linemen have to backstep on passing plays.
What if  
lax counsel : 5/31/2018 2:58 pm : link
Neither Webb nor Lauletta are quality starting qbs in this league? Both were flawed prospects. How will fans measure whether either of the two was a successful pick and/or a good player? If either evolves into a bottom third starter in this league (i.e a qb in the 20-30 range) is that enough to declare either a success? Is that enough not to trade the farm for a top qb pick in 2021 or beyond? I'm wondering what the measuring stick is here?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Lauletta pick was for Shurmur  
JonC : 5/31/2018 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13979968 Giants34 said:
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that suggests a few things including Webb.



I agree that the Lauletta pick was for Shurmer, but I'm not sure that it suggests anything about Webb. Shurmer had seen little of Webb going into the draft, so the Lauletta pick could just be taking a shot at what they thought was an undervalued player.



I think that's partially it, and suspect their position on Webb isn't a terribly strong one.



I think that was pretty clear. When Shumur was hired, he said the Vikings had Webb rated as a "draftable prospect". Maybe he could not divulge more information than that, but he did not seem to sing his praises too highly. Additionally, after the first round, Shurmur was asked whether the Giants passing on a QB said anything about Webb, and he flat out answered "no".

If Webb wins the No. 2 job, he is going to have to earn it. Right now, in OTAs, the Giants are making all the rookies - sans Barkley - earn their spots with the starters. But we know that Hernandez will be starting, and he is already mixing in with the ones. Lauletta will also start climbing up the depth chart as the spring and summer roll along. Essentially, for Webb to keep that No. 2 spot away from Lauletta, he will have to clearly outplay the rookie.


That's where my suspicion leans as well.
Am I not remembering correctly  
Matt M. : 5/31/2018 3:01 pm : link
Isn't the 3rd QB essentially allowed as a 54th player on the roster?
RE: Am I not remembering correctly  
ron mexico : 5/31/2018 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13980221 Matt M. said:
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Isn't the 3rd QB essentially allowed as a 54th player on the roster?


The third quarterback rule was a rule in the National Football League that governed the use of a third quarterback in addition to the starter and the backup. The rule was abolished for the 2011 season, when the NFL increased the roster size to allow 46 players to dress for a game.[1]

The third quarterback did not count towards the team's 45-man active roster. If the third quarterback entered the game at any position during any of the first three quarters, the starter and backup became ineligible to play for the rest of the game;[2] the third quarterback could have entered the game in the fourth quarter while preserving the eligibility of the starter and backup.

The full text of the rule was:

Teams will be permitted an Active List of 45 players and an Inactive List of eight players for each regular-season and postseason game. Provided, that if a club has two quarterbacks on its 45-player Active List, a third quarterback from its Inactive List is permitted to dress for the game, but if he enters the game during the first three quarters, the other two quarterbacks are thereafter prohibited from playing.[3]

Although it is not specifically indicated, the NFL had interpreted its rule to mean that in order to designate a third quarterback, the two on the active roster must both be "bona fide" quarterbacks, not other position players merely designated as quarterbacks.

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IMO Webb is going to be a dam good QB  
PatersonPlank : 5/31/2018 3:52 pm : link
He has everything you need physically and works hard. Getting another QB in the 4th rd (not the 1st or 2nd) to compete is a good thing. Eli only has a few seasons left. If Webb wins it he's earned it.
Of the thirty picks between Lauletta and McIntosh...  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/31/2018 3:56 pm : link
... a few will become good NFL players, offering fans an opportunity for hindsight-based second guessing. Obvious candidates at positions of need include:
110 Nick Nelson Raiders DB Wisconsin
111 Brian Allen Rams C Michigan State
113 DaeSean Hamilton Broncos WR Penn State
114 Da'Shawn Hand Lions DE Alabama
118 Anthony Averett Ravens DB Alabama
124 Armani Watts Chiefs DB Texas A&M
125 Avonte Maddox Eagles DB Pittsburgh
128 Kentavius Street 49ers DT North Carolina State
129 Will Richardson Jaguars T North Carolina State
130 Josh Sweat Eagles DE Florida State
133 J'Mon Moore Packers WR Missouri
136 Marquis Haynes Panthers LB Mississippi
RE: We have wasted QB picks and roster spots,  
short lease : 5/31/2018 4:08 pm : link
In comment 13979613 Doomster said:
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keeping 3 qb's....

I can understand taking a qb with an unknown backup picked by the previous regime......

And you don't go into a season with one backup being a rookie....

So it looks like another roster spot will be wasted this year on a 3rd qb....

Unless Webb plays lights out in preseason.....but even so, if Eli does not show up this year, then these two guys are the future, unless we waste another draft pick on a qb next year, if these two backups don't pan out....


They can very easily put Lauletta on IR?
RE: 46 active  
VinegarPeppers : 5/31/2018 4:11 pm : link
If that happens its all going to collapse anyway. I'd move Engram to the slot and Ellison to starting TE.

But what if Eli and Webb go down with injury?

Giants fans should know we cannot control the "what-ifs". If we get through a season with just moderate injuries it will be a miracle. We get destroyed at POSITIONS. So we lose 4 starters on the OL or all three linebackers or the top 4 WRS and when that stuff happens you're just going to lose. Period.


In comment 13979635 giants#1 said:
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The presumption that only 46 are active on game day and thus you "can't waste a roster spot" relies on 46+ being healthy, which is rarely the case in the NFL. Once a few short term injuries pile up, a team can certainly find itself in a roster crunch.

For example, assume the Giants only keep 5 WRs due to the 3rd QB. Now Beckham pulls a hammy and Shepard suffers a concussion and is forced to miss a game. You're now down to only 3 healthy WRs which could restrict your play calling and leaves you dangerously thin if an injury occurs.
RE: What if  
Giants34 : 5/31/2018 6:38 pm : link
In comment 13980212 lax counsel said:
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Neither Webb nor Lauletta are quality starting qbs in this league? Both were flawed prospects. How will fans measure whether either of the two was a successful pick and/or a good player? If either evolves into a bottom third starter in this league (i.e a qb in the 20-30 range) is that enough to declare either a success? Is that enough not to trade the farm for a top qb pick in 2021 or beyond? I'm wondering what the measuring stick is here?


That's not such a ridiculous hypothetical. They are third and fourth round picks, and there is a decent chance that neither one emerges as a franchise QB (or even a long term starter). In my mind, all the Giants did in passing on a QB like Rosen at the top of this draft was kick the can down the road. I don't care that Eli looks rejuvenated in shorts. We had our shot at a top QB, and we passed it up, and if neither Webb nor Lauletta emerges as a franchise QB, we'll need a franchise QB in two years anyway. And that may not be so easy to come by.
none of those QB's  
msh : 6/7/2018 2:36 pm : link
were worth the pick at 2

mayfield is too short,cocky and arrogant this would have been even worse in the new york market as well they drafted manziel and took the next one too

rosen is a locker room cancer(see his post draft rant about the mistakes of every pick ahead of him as proof) who has too complex an injury history,particularly the concussion one for over a month that is far too risky for a number 2 pick

josh allen wasnt accurate enough, too many incompletitions against weaker college defences this will only magnify in the nfl unless they can teach him or improve his mechanics enough,so too risky for a pick that high also

darnold may be the best of the bunch with the right mentoring he could be the best of the group but the jets havent so far done a good job developing QB's to put it mildly,too many poor throws and interceptions as eli has but eli was a better QB coming out of college with better pedigree than darnold

lamar jackson is the best athlete of the QB prospects but he is too raw and relied on that athletisms in college that wont go well in the NFL,he wont need to start right away which is just as well as he isnt ready to play for 2-3 years

barkley is the right pick he gives you a stable running game and dangerous weapon in the passing game he will extend eli's remaining time and allow the transition to webb,lauletta or whoever they draft if they feel they arent the answer to go more smoothly.

see dak prescott (a fouth round pick) in dallas with zeke as proof the giants could do at least as well with webb and barkley or lauletta (also a 4th round pick) as well

they dont need to put the full team on the QB's shoulders anymore (as they have been eli's whole career), its just as well eli has been an iron man injury wise because they had nothing behind him had he went down to injury possibly until now
RE: It has been pointed out..  
SGMen : 6/7/2018 3:52 pm : link
In comment 13979616 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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before, but "wasting" a roster spot really doesn't happen in the NFL. That 53rd guy rarely plays, whether he is a QB or a different position.

But it often gives fans something to bitch about.
Agree wholeheartedly.
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