Art Stapleton
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If you're the Patriots or the Cardinals, would you rather have No. 6 and 2025 1st rounder from Giants or No. 11 and No. 23 this year from Vikings?
If Giants want their QB bad enough and it takes their 1 from next year, do it.
That First Rounder next season could be the #1 overall pick in the Draft!
concerns me a bit. Nothing against Burns, but QB is the biggest need on this team and they just traded our high second rounder for him which would have been a valuable piece to move up for QB.
This is a valid point. We could have saved the pick and bought a better player in Hunter if adding a pass rushing was considered a must-have.
But let's see how this plays out. There is still a chance to execute. And the execution is best done ASAP.
I tell you what. The Pats could get a haul for that #3 spot if Eliot Wolf plays his cards right.
I don't think there's any way the Giants traded that pick away without knowing what it would take to move up.
They've been contacting teams in the top 3 since January. I'm sure they are well aware of what it would taken to move up.
If that is true AND we are trading into the top 3, we should have a deal in place. We don’t so that either means we won’t be or we don’t have a deal in place and other teams are trying to nail down that deal.
Problem with that is falling from 3 to 11 for the Cardinals. They already have a loaded draft capital. They need talent. Falling to 6, however, still enables them to get Harrison or Odunze.
It's 4 to 11, but I assume that was a typo.
I'm not sure AZ wants to even trade down to #6 because just doing that could mean they lose out on MHJ. Would #47 be enough to tempt them to do so, or would they want more to incur that risk? But would Minnesota have made this trade with Houston unless they already had a deal in place with AZ or NE? I don't think so.
Would AZ rather have #6 and #47 or #11 and #23? I don't know. I could see it either way. At #11 they'd likely lose out on Nabers and Odunze as you note, but this is a loaded draft at WR, and #23 is a first round pick. But if Minnesota adds its #1 from 2025 then their deal is obviously better.
It's like Rubik's Cube. There are a zillion possibilities.
If that is true AND we are trading into the top 3, we should have a deal in place. We don’t so that either means we won’t be or we don’t have a deal in place and other teams are trying to nail down that deal.
You're assuming the Pats are willing to move the pick now without knowing who will be on the board. That's quite a leap
lamar was the 5th qb in his draft. josh allen was the 3rd. if you get the QB right it doesnt matter which pick he went.
Neither of those teams traded the best WR in the NFL who's well on his way to becoming an all-time great. It's apples and oranges. The fanbase would riot
very possibly.. However, I am starting to think that maybe they are looking to a team that is dumping their players (LAC)- JJ and two #1's for Herbert???
A guy can wish, right..
Maybe you're right...and Harbaugh wants a full reset, he's taking JJ at 5 and best WRs at 11 or 23.
This is completely incorrect. Harbaugh chose LAC because of Herbert. There is nothing else about this historically cheap and inept franchise to draw him. He's not taking JJ over an absolute NFL stud like JH. Silly take.
Harbaugh likely has little to no interest in Jefferson
Tommy Cutlets meaningless wins. Those wins didn’t build culture nor did they develop players the Giants will rely on moving forward. They made getting THE QB of the future much more difficult and will probably cost the franchise additional assets. I’m usually not cheering for a tank, but it was clearly needed here.
If you were trying to lose those games, what could you do that would be more favorable (or unfavorable, I guess) to that end besides starting an unheralded rookie UDFA at QB? That WAS the best chance to tank. But you can't tell the players to throw the games.
As for whether the fans were happy or not, remind us how that impacts the outcome of the game?
Do you just go out of your way to try to come up with the dumbest fucking takes imaginable, or do they come to you by surprise?
lamar was the 5th qb in his draft. josh allen was the 3rd. if you get the QB right it doesnt matter which pick he went.
Neither of those teams traded the best WR in the NFL who's well on his way to becoming an all-time great. It's apples and oranges. The fanbase would riot
beckham got traded ahead of his year 6 (age 26). davante and hill got traded. AJB got traded. Diggs got traded.
im not saying it's going to happen, im not saying it's their preference. but they've been in an extended negotiation with him that hasn't resolved yet.
it is obvious that minnesota is highly motivated to get up for 1 of the top 4 (albright has implied they like JJM more than Maye, and predicted they'd trade up for more than a week).
what i am saying is that in a bidding way jefferson may be a puzzle piece that specifically unlocks arizona even if they are very set on MHJ. nothing NE has done so far makes me think they are going to pass on taking a QB.
I still don't don't think 11 and 23 is enough to move to top 5.
concerns me a bit. Nothing against Burns, but QB is the biggest need on this team and they just traded our high second rounder for him which would have been a valuable piece to move up for QB.
This is a valid point. We could have saved the pick and bought a better player in Hunter if adding a pass rushing was considered a must-have.
But let's see how this plays out. There is still a chance to execute. And the execution is best done ASAP.
I tell you what. The Pats could get a haul for that #3 spot if Eliot Wolf plays his cards right.
I don't think there's any way the Giants traded that pick away without knowing what it would take to move up.
They've been contacting teams in the top 3 since January. I'm sure they are well aware of what it would taken to move up.
If that is true AND we are trading into the top 3, we should have a deal in place. We don’t so that either means we won’t be or we don’t have a deal in place and other teams are trying to nail down that deal.
I don't think it's that cut and dry. Teams haven't finished evaluations on the players. Even when they do it could be contingent on certain players being available or not being available.
People are overvaluing draft picks. Last time we had 2 high first rounders we got KT and EN. So what? A shot at a legit franchise QB is worth more than both those guys and more. The conservativism and fear gripping some of this fan base is stunning. Winners take bold shots. They don't always pay off but usually enough do to reward the great franchises.
nothing NE has done makes me think they are going to trade #3 before they are on the clock.
it is possible they only like 2 QBs and they trade out of it they get selected ahead of them at the draft.
but they clearly are in position to add a QB at #3 so i cant see them trading out a month ahead of the draft, even if it's on a long shot chance that the teams ahead of them could make surprising picks. i would hold the pick even in the long shot hopes that a gas mask video comes out day of if i liked him or daniels that much.
if a team is making the strategic decision to trade out of the top 4 a month ahead of time i think it's arizona deciding as much as they like MHJ there are other great receivers in the draft and they have a lot of holes to fill. remember they traded back last year and gave up Will Anderson, who like MHJ was the chalk best non-QB in draft. if MIN were to put JJ on the table i think that becomes a no-brainer.
Tommy Cutlets meaningless wins. Those wins didn’t build culture nor did they develop players the Giants will rely on moving forward. They made getting THE QB of the future much more difficult and will probably cost the franchise additional assets. I’m usually not cheering for a tank, but it was clearly needed here.
If you were trying to lose those games, what could you do that would be more favorable (or unfavorable, I guess) to that end besides starting an unheralded rookie UDFA at QB? That WAS the best chance to tank. But you can't tell the players to throw the games.
As for whether the fans were happy or not, remind us how that impacts the outcome of the game?
Do you just go out of your way to try to come up with the dumbest fucking takes imaginable, or do they come to you by surprise?
I've been trying to tell people this. Not to mention we played the Pats game without our best defensive player. Really can't do anything about the Pats Kicker shanking a 35 yard FG to send the game into OT. Can't do anything about the Redskins turning the ball over 5 times including a pick 6 on a potential Skins game winning drive.
I mentioned that Schoen should work on his phone and finalize the trade deal with the Patriots or Cardinals immediately. Waiting will only give the Vikings more time to make a move.
This situation is reminiscent of the 2018 draft when Barkley was considered a can't-miss prospect like MHJ Jr.
We picked him at 2 and didn't prepare for a QB since Gettlemen likely assumed Herbert would enter the draft in 2019, which he didn't. Getty panicked and fell in love with the wrong QB, Daniel Jones, and the whole weird QB saga began.
Schoen needs to act now and avoid repeating Getty's mistake. Delaying a decision until 2025 could result in another Daniel Jones.
Caleb goes 1 Daniels goes 2 Maye goes 3 MH goes 4 to Cardinals...
Vikings trade their two 1sts to the Chargers for Justin Herbert to pair him with Jefferson.
Chargers at 5 draft JJ McCarthy to reunite with Harbaugh
Lol. The Chargers are never trading Herbert. This take is ludicrous. Harbaugh didn't take the LAC job to deal Herbert. He took the job because of Herbert.
That's what I'm thinking, they couldn't get a better deal?
I think it was a nice deal for Houston. Difference between 23 and 42 is not that much, and they get an additional 2nd rounder in 2025, which could be a high pick with Vikes potentially being decent to bad depending on rookie QB play.
is a trade with the Giants. I'm not convinced that the Giants want McCarthy. They are still talent deficient in many areas. Get two good players at 11 and 23.
Tommy Cutlets meaningless wins. Those wins didn’t build culture nor did they develop players the Giants will rely on moving forward. They made getting THE QB of the future much more difficult and will probably cost the franchise additional assets. I’m usually not cheering for a tank, but it was clearly needed here.
If you were trying to lose those games, what could you do that would be more favorable (or unfavorable, I guess) to that end besides starting an unheralded rookie UDFA at QB? That WAS the best chance to tank. But you can't tell the players to throw the games.
As for whether the fans were happy or not, remind us how that impacts the outcome of the game?
Do you just go out of your way to try to come up with the dumbest fucking takes imaginable, or do they come to you by surprise?
What was remarkable about those games, was seeing just how really really bad the Pats and Commanders were. Pats roster, and Commanders just totally checked out mentally from their coaches.
I mentioned that Schoen should work on his phone and finalize the trade deal with the Patriots or Cardinals immediately. Waiting will only give the Vikings more time to make a move.
This situation is reminiscent of the 2018 draft when Barkley was considered a can't-miss prospect like MHJ Jr.
We picked him at 2 and didn't prepare for a QB since Gettlemen likely assumed Herbert would enter the draft in 2019, which he didn't. Getty panicked and fell in love with the wrong QB, Daniel Jones, and the whole weird QB saga began.
Schoen needs to act now and avoid repeating Getty's mistake. Delaying a decision until 2025 could result in another Daniel Jones.
And you don't think if Schoen talks with the Pats or Cardinals that those teams aren't going to call the Vikings? You can bet the Vikings, just like the Giants, have already talked to all the teams in the top 5.
That'd be good. The Giants would probably have dealer's choice on Nabers or Odunze, or potentially trading back 2-3 spots, getting more draft capital, and still getting one of those guys if they are indifferent on which one.
Rickey
@PrettyRickey213
Four QBs being picked in the top 6 guarantees a franchise WR selection (MHJ/Nabers) at the sixth spot. It's a huge piece of draft capital. Vikings have two first rounders, but don't discount how much teams and scouts love MHJ/Nabers. Giants have plenty of ammo too.
That's 100 percent what they're doing. Let's see if Harbaugh takes the bait at 5 or even if the Pats do at 3. Minny is DEAD SET on getting a QB in this draft.
Tommy Cutlets meaningless wins. Those wins didn’t build culture nor did they develop players the Giants will rely on moving forward. They made getting THE QB of the future much more difficult and will probably cost the franchise additional assets. I’m usually not cheering for a tank, but it was clearly needed here.
Patrick Mahomes was picked 15th 🤷🏾♂️
There's a chance Giants could have the best receiver and Qb( Odunze, Rattler)
It's best to zag. Why not trade down with Minnesota? Grab 11 and 23 for 6. Get the best DB on the board and a tier-2 WR in a deep class. Trade a mid-round pick for Fields.
And then look for another QB in 2025? No thanks. This is not smart.
Tommy Cutlets meaningless wins. Those wins didn’t build culture nor did they develop players the Giants will rely on moving forward. They made getting THE QB of the future much more difficult and will probably cost the franchise additional assets. I’m usually not cheering for a tank, but it was clearly needed here.
Patrick Mahomes was picked 15th 🤷🏾♂️
There's a chance Giants could have the best receiver and Qb( Odunze, Rattler)
Really good and long podcast by Tyler Dunne with a former scout in Buffalo. Giant related because they discussed the trade up to get Allen and how Schoen was working the phones constantly to get a deal done and was super paranoid about teams jumping them -- like he apparently freaked out when the Jets jumped to #3. After listening to this, you can't help be be pretty confident that if Schoen wants 1 of the top 4 QBs he is not sitting on his hands and doing everything he can in terms of trading up and is paranoid about the Minnesota trade as much as BBI. Link - ( New Window )
5. Minnesota Vikings (trade with LA Chargers) J.J. McCarthy, QB, Michigan
"The Vikings... They let Kirk Cousins walk in free agency and then traded up from the second to the first round, likely to acquire more ammo to move into this spot... McCarthy will be dropped into an offense with killer weapons and a sharp head coach..."
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Art Stapleton
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If you're the Patriots or the Cardinals, would you rather have No. 6 and 2025 1st rounder from Giants or No. 11 and No. 23 this year from Vikings?
If Giants want their QB bad enough and it takes their 1 from next year, do it.
That First Rounder next season could be the #1 overall pick in the Draft!
Or the 32nd.
No one manages the way you're suggesting.
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concerns me a bit. Nothing against Burns, but QB is the biggest need on this team and they just traded our high second rounder for him which would have been a valuable piece to move up for QB.
This is a valid point. We could have saved the pick and bought a better player in Hunter if adding a pass rushing was considered a must-have.
But let's see how this plays out. There is still a chance to execute. And the execution is best done ASAP.
I tell you what. The Pats could get a haul for that #3 spot if Eliot Wolf plays his cards right.
I don't think there's any way the Giants traded that pick away without knowing what it would take to move up.
They've been contacting teams in the top 3 since January. I'm sure they are well aware of what it would taken to move up.
If that is true AND we are trading into the top 3, we should have a deal in place. We don’t so that either means we won’t be or we don’t have a deal in place and other teams are trying to nail down that deal.
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I don't think there's any way the Giants traded that pick away without knowing what it would take to move up.
They've been contacting teams in the top 3 since January. I'm sure they are well aware of what it would taken to move up.
I can't believe the value of that Pats pick is static. What may be the value right now, could change in an hour. This should be viewed as an auction.
Agreed - Pats are in no pressure to trade pick and they know it, with the multiple QB options.
Teams can say "take it or leave it - offer expires this weekend" and they know it's a total bluff.
There's no pivot point elsewhere to trade up ahead of them.
It's 4 to 11, but I assume that was a typo.
I'm not sure AZ wants to even trade down to #6 because just doing that could mean they lose out on MHJ. Would #47 be enough to tempt them to do so, or would they want more to incur that risk? But would Minnesota have made this trade with Houston unless they already had a deal in place with AZ or NE? I don't think so.
Would AZ rather have #6 and #47 or #11 and #23? I don't know. I could see it either way. At #11 they'd likely lose out on Nabers and Odunze as you note, but this is a loaded draft at WR, and #23 is a first round pick. But if Minnesota adds its #1 from 2025 then their deal is obviously better.
It's like Rubik's Cube. There are a zillion possibilities.
Good discussion.
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what if jefferson doesnt want to tie up 5+ prime years with a rookie QB?
If that were true, why would he extend with the Patriots?
that's why i mentioned arizona. i think the pats are likely to pass on trading and take a QB and arizona is the more likely trade target.
Trading JJ to get the 4th QB would be utterly insane
lamar was the 5th qb in his draft. josh allen was the 3rd. if you get the QB right it doesnt matter which pick he went.
If that is true AND we are trading into the top 3, we should have a deal in place. We don’t so that either means we won’t be or we don’t have a deal in place and other teams are trying to nail down that deal.
You're assuming the Pats are willing to move the pick now without knowing who will be on the board. That's quite a leap
lamar was the 5th qb in his draft. josh allen was the 3rd. if you get the QB right it doesnt matter which pick he went.
Neither of those teams traded the best WR in the NFL who's well on his way to becoming an all-time great. It's apples and oranges. The fanbase would riot
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very possibly.. However, I am starting to think that maybe they are looking to a team that is dumping their players (LAC)- JJ and two #1's for Herbert???
A guy can wish, right..
Maybe you're right...and Harbaugh wants a full reset, he's taking JJ at 5 and best WRs at 11 or 23.
This is completely incorrect. Harbaugh chose LAC because of Herbert. There is nothing else about this historically cheap and inept franchise to draw him. He's not taking JJ over an absolute NFL stud like JH. Silly take.
Paying a WR (even a good one) doesn't compute with him and what he's stated even back when he was with Niners. OL, QB, heavy run game.
If you were trying to lose those games, what could you do that would be more favorable (or unfavorable, I guess) to that end besides starting an unheralded rookie UDFA at QB? That WAS the best chance to tank. But you can't tell the players to throw the games.
As for whether the fans were happy or not, remind us how that impacts the outcome of the game?
Do you just go out of your way to try to come up with the dumbest fucking takes imaginable, or do they come to you by surprise?
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lamar was the 5th qb in his draft. josh allen was the 3rd. if you get the QB right it doesnt matter which pick he went.
Neither of those teams traded the best WR in the NFL who's well on his way to becoming an all-time great. It's apples and oranges. The fanbase would riot
beckham got traded ahead of his year 6 (age 26). davante and hill got traded. AJB got traded. Diggs got traded.
im not saying it's going to happen, im not saying it's their preference. but they've been in an extended negotiation with him that hasn't resolved yet.
it is obvious that minnesota is highly motivated to get up for 1 of the top 4 (albright has implied they like JJM more than Maye, and predicted they'd trade up for more than a week).
what i am saying is that in a bidding way jefferson may be a puzzle piece that specifically unlocks arizona even if they are very set on MHJ. nothing NE has done so far makes me think they are going to pass on taking a QB.
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concerns me a bit. Nothing against Burns, but QB is the biggest need on this team and they just traded our high second rounder for him which would have been a valuable piece to move up for QB.
This is a valid point. We could have saved the pick and bought a better player in Hunter if adding a pass rushing was considered a must-have.
But let's see how this plays out. There is still a chance to execute. And the execution is best done ASAP.
I tell you what. The Pats could get a haul for that #3 spot if Eliot Wolf plays his cards right.
I don't think there's any way the Giants traded that pick away without knowing what it would take to move up.
They've been contacting teams in the top 3 since January. I'm sure they are well aware of what it would taken to move up.
If that is true AND we are trading into the top 3, we should have a deal in place. We don’t so that either means we won’t be or we don’t have a deal in place and other teams are trying to nail down that deal.
I don't think it's that cut and dry. Teams haven't finished evaluations on the players. Even when they do it could be contingent on certain players being available or not being available.
Vikings trade their two 1sts to the Chargers for Justin Herbert to pair him with Jefferson.
Chargers at 5 draft JJ McCarthy to reunite with Harbaugh
it is possible they only like 2 QBs and they trade out of it they get selected ahead of them at the draft.
but they clearly are in position to add a QB at #3 so i cant see them trading out a month ahead of the draft, even if it's on a long shot chance that the teams ahead of them could make surprising picks. i would hold the pick even in the long shot hopes that a gas mask video comes out day of if i liked him or daniels that much.
if a team is making the strategic decision to trade out of the top 4 a month ahead of time i think it's arizona deciding as much as they like MHJ there are other great receivers in the draft and they have a lot of holes to fill. remember they traded back last year and gave up Will Anderson, who like MHJ was the chalk best non-QB in draft. if MIN were to put JJ on the table i think that becomes a no-brainer.
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Tommy Cutlets meaningless wins. Those wins didn’t build culture nor did they develop players the Giants will rely on moving forward. They made getting THE QB of the future much more difficult and will probably cost the franchise additional assets. I’m usually not cheering for a tank, but it was clearly needed here.
If you were trying to lose those games, what could you do that would be more favorable (or unfavorable, I guess) to that end besides starting an unheralded rookie UDFA at QB? That WAS the best chance to tank. But you can't tell the players to throw the games.
As for whether the fans were happy or not, remind us how that impacts the outcome of the game?
Do you just go out of your way to try to come up with the dumbest fucking takes imaginable, or do they come to you by surprise?
I've been trying to tell people this. Not to mention we played the Pats game without our best defensive player. Really can't do anything about the Pats Kicker shanking a 35 yard FG to send the game into OT. Can't do anything about the Redskins turning the ball over 5 times including a pick 6 on a potential Skins game winning drive.
This situation is reminiscent of the 2018 draft when Barkley was considered a can't-miss prospect like MHJ Jr.
We picked him at 2 and didn't prepare for a QB since Gettlemen likely assumed Herbert would enter the draft in 2019, which he didn't. Getty panicked and fell in love with the wrong QB, Daniel Jones, and the whole weird QB saga began.
Schoen needs to act now and avoid repeating Getty's mistake. Delaying a decision until 2025 could result in another Daniel Jones.
Vikings trade their two 1sts to the Chargers for Justin Herbert to pair him with Jefferson.
Chargers at 5 draft JJ McCarthy to reunite with Harbaugh
Lol. The Chargers are never trading Herbert. This take is ludicrous. Harbaugh didn't take the LAC job to deal Herbert. He took the job because of Herbert.
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That's what I'm thinking, they couldn't get a better deal?
I think it was a nice deal for Houston. Difference between 23 and 42 is not that much, and they get an additional 2nd rounder in 2025, which could be a high pick with Vikes potentially being decent to bad depending on rookie QB play.
Yup - that would be an option too.
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Tommy Cutlets meaningless wins. Those wins didn’t build culture nor did they develop players the Giants will rely on moving forward. They made getting THE QB of the future much more difficult and will probably cost the franchise additional assets. I’m usually not cheering for a tank, but it was clearly needed here.
If you were trying to lose those games, what could you do that would be more favorable (or unfavorable, I guess) to that end besides starting an unheralded rookie UDFA at QB? That WAS the best chance to tank. But you can't tell the players to throw the games.
As for whether the fans were happy or not, remind us how that impacts the outcome of the game?
Do you just go out of your way to try to come up with the dumbest fucking takes imaginable, or do they come to you by surprise?
What was remarkable about those games, was seeing just how really really bad the Pats and Commanders were. Pats roster, and Commanders just totally checked out mentally from their coaches.
If they have two firsts this year, similar to what the Vikings did, it will be check mate.
This situation is reminiscent of the 2018 draft when Barkley was considered a can't-miss prospect like MHJ Jr.
We picked him at 2 and didn't prepare for a QB since Gettlemen likely assumed Herbert would enter the draft in 2019, which he didn't. Getty panicked and fell in love with the wrong QB, Daniel Jones, and the whole weird QB saga began.
Schoen needs to act now and avoid repeating Getty's mistake. Delaying a decision until 2025 could result in another Daniel Jones.
And you don't think if Schoen talks with the Pats or Cardinals that those teams aren't going to call the Vikings? You can bet the Vikings, just like the Giants, have already talked to all the teams in the top 5.
Agree. Also rare to see teams swap pick numbers this far before the draft. On draft day? Sure. But this is quite unusual.
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Agree. Also rare to see teams swap pick numbers this far before the draft. On draft day? Sure. But this is quite unusual.
Exactly. I truly don’t understand the need for the Texans to make this trade at this date.
then the Giants get to choose from two out of three sure-fire wide receivers. That's not a bad place to be.
I disagree.
It is bad if your QB room consists of DJ, Lock & Cutlets...
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then the Giants get to choose from two out of three sure-fire wide receivers. That's not a bad place to be.
I disagree.
It is bad if your QB room consists of DJ, Lock & Cutlets...
That'd be good. The Giants would probably have dealer's choice on Nabers or Odunze, or potentially trading back 2-3 spots, getting more draft capital, and still getting one of those guys if they are indifferent on which one.
@PrettyRickey213
Four QBs being picked in the top 6 guarantees a franchise WR selection (MHJ/Nabers) at the sixth spot. It's a huge piece of draft capital. Vikings have two first rounders, but don't discount how much teams and scouts love MHJ/Nabers. Giants have plenty of ammo too.
That's fine for a year if we're building up a very poor roster. It's about time this team accepts that it is rebuilding.
That's 100 percent what they're doing. Let's see if Harbaugh takes the bait at 5 or even if the Pats do at 3. Minny is DEAD SET on getting a QB in this draft.
I think Nix goes 12 to the Broncos. Pennix at 23 would make sense for them at 23 so they can get that 5th year option.
Patrick Mahomes was picked 15th 🤷🏾♂️
There's a chance Giants could have the best receiver and Qb( Odunze, Rattler)
And then look for another QB in 2025? No thanks. This is not smart.
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Tommy Cutlets meaningless wins. Those wins didn’t build culture nor did they develop players the Giants will rely on moving forward. They made getting THE QB of the future much more difficult and will probably cost the franchise additional assets. I’m usually not cheering for a tank, but it was clearly needed here.
Patrick Mahomes was picked 15th 🤷🏾♂️
There's a chance Giants could have the best receiver and Qb( Odunze, Rattler)
Yeah, no. Rattler is a JAG and a head case.
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I have Nix tied with McCarthy, below Williams and Daniels, but well above Maye...So Nix is not an ugh to me ... Maye is
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what if jefferson doesnt want to tie up 5+ prime years with a rookie QB?
If that were true, why would he extend with the Patriots?
that's why i mentioned arizona. i think the pats are likely to pass on trading and take a QB and arizona is the more likely trade target.
Trading JJ to get the 4th QB would be utterly insane
I agree with this. I think if anything both firsts this year and 1st next year for 5th would get it done. That is a ton for the 4th QB off the board.
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No one wants Nix or Penix. Ugh.
I have Nix tied with McCarthy, below Williams and Daniels, but well above Maye...So Nix is not an ugh to me ... Maye is
Sounds like you are a Chris Simms follower... He is one of the best QB guys out there.
Vikings trade their two 1sts to the Chargers for Justin Herbert to pair him with Jefferson.
Chargers at 5 draft JJ McCarthy to reunite with Harbaugh
That is interesting. I can see Harbaugh doing that and that would suck.
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No one wants Nix or Penix. Ugh.
I have Nix tied with McCarthy, below Williams and Daniels, but well above Maye...So Nix is not an ugh to me ... Maye is
Sounds like you are a Chris Simms follower... He is one of the best QB guys out there.
I just like Nix and McCarthy...
"The Vikings... They let Kirk Cousins walk in free agency and then traded up from the second to the first round, likely to acquire more ammo to move into this spot... McCarthy will be dropped into an offense with killer weapons and a sharp head coach..."