In nearly every season prior to the Joe Schoen regime, I think it was really possible to decipher what the Front Office had planned in the draft through either leaks and/or innuendo.
This season, the lying season, the misinformation from the FO has been coming in waves:
Wave one – the Giants PR department put out a full frontal defending and propping up Daniel Jones from numerous sources including Paul Schwartz, Tiki Barber, the usual suspects and others…
Wave two – the Giants “are done with Daniel Jones,” starting with Garafolo, who gave it a 75% chance, that the NYGs were going QB in round one of the draft, to Eisen stating emphatically that the Giants were done with Daniel Jones
Then looking at the Draft logically at this point :
At 1 Chicago is needs to draft QB as they just traded away their franchise QB
At 2 Washing traded away Sam Howell and also needs to draft a QB
At 3 the Patriots traded away Mac Jones and don’t really have a QB – as it’s hard to believe that Jacoby Brissett is the answer, they must be going QB
At 4 the Cardinals look like a trading candidate for a QB hungry team if you believe there are 4 viable top 10 QBs, or they are a possible home for Marvin Harrison Jr
At 5 the Chargers are also a candidate for a QB hungry team if you believe there are 4 viable top 10 QBs and Arizona won’t entice a trade hungry team and they are going with Herbert – which also looks likely
At 6 Here we have the Giants, who have already traded away draft capital to land Burns (including their top 2nd round pick) to beef up their defense and Lock to shore up the backup QB position, and signaled both that they want to keep Jones and that they are done with him. The top three picks are most likely going QB, and trading for those slots seems unlikely in my estimation. Trading up to 4 or 5 seems doable, the question is are there 4 draft worthy QBs to leave one at 4 (in my estimation there isn’t and personally I don’t like three of the “top 3 Qbs” and probably one of those three will be drafted at the 4 or 5 slot especially given that both Minnesota and Denver don’t have a QB. This will drive the cost of drafting the 4th QB up and create a higher risk drafting at that spot. It's kind of an all or nothing scenario: win big with the outlier pick costing a significant amount of draft capital; lose big by spending the needed draft capital and the pick is more likely a dud.)
I am somewhat reminded of the 2018 draft where there were 4 highly touted QBs: Mayfield, Darnold, Allen and Rosen; who look like, to me, in order: Williams, Maye, Daniels and McCarthy. Instead of the Barkley “sure thing,” you have the Marvin Harrison "sure thing" who is likely going at 4 or 5.
So where does this leave the Giants?
The FO (kudos to them for confusing everyone) is going to:
a) trade up for the #4 QB,
b) wait for the #4 QB to fall into their lap,
c) take another position either O lineman, WR or ER
d) trade down slightly and restock the premium of second round pick and possibly more expanding the choices to O lineman, WR, ER and CB – possibly QB like Nix/Penix
Frankly, I think an argument could be made for every one of the positions above, so I give the FO massive credit for the misinformation that is spinning the discussions we are having.
I really hope our brain trust gets this one right. All due respect for those of you who think trading up for a QB is a must, I don’t. I really don't want the FO to get into a bidding war that uses up precious premium picks in 24 and 25 to trade up for a Josh Rosen, Sam Darnold or Baker Mayfield. It will set the Giants back for more of the same agony we’ve been having for every year but two of the last ten. They have to get this right. (I guess that is the case every year, but I see it as being particularly acute.)
I like a lot of what they’ve done so far in FA bringing in new linemen, blocking TE’s and Burns. But to my view, the table and ensuing odds/risk is set for them to pass on QB this year, and take option c or d. My personal preference is to land another plus Defensive player, along with a plus Offensive player like they did two years ago at 5 and 7. They went defense first last year with Banks in round 1, which I liked a lot. They went defense first in year 1 with Kayvon. Let's continue to do this and make a defensive power house. I think the Giants can contend even with a Daniel Jones if their defense is a power house. In any event their are certainly teams out there that have proven that is a good formula: see Detroit, San Francisco, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Tennessee
This team with Jones at the helm is helped more by strong defense than many of you think; and Dabol has shown he can accomplish a lot with a dink and dunk style opportunistic offense. Jones ran that successfully in year one of Dabol/Kafka, and Lock can more than likely run that type of offense too. Bringing in WR Isaiah McKenzie and RB Devin Singletary, and beefing up the Oline/blocking TE corps sure points to that to me. Even if they do draft a QB, the odds say they will be operating this way anyway, so it makes more sense to me odds and value wise to pick a developmental QB like Nix/Pennix/McCarthy in round two or even better round three or later.
This is so wrong.This is like saying "I have a rule of drafting priority so if Mahomes comes up in a draft - I'm sorry I will pass beucause my tema is not ready." Absurd.
Yet at the same time people that support your rule will always be screaming to draft BPA -- yet in a comical way they avoid drafting the most important postion in the NFL all because of inflexibility/rigidity.
And whether one agrees with them or not (and it matters not a whit if one doesn't) they think that right now Jones gives them the best option to get there. So many here are focused on the past when for the most part the Giants were a bad to really bad team making it almost impossible to know how good any QB would be, the Giants may very well have made the decision that Jones has the tools to be effective in the offence they want to run going forward. As an aside re the comment that Jones was outplayed by Taylor/DeVito, my guess is the Giants thinking is that if they'd had a healthy Jones for the full season they would have won 2-3 more games and been in the playoff hunt again.
Is the injury concern a real concern? Absolutely! And if it happens it happens as Gidie says you deal with it and move on. Could they take a QB at #6. Absolutely, because while I believe Jones is a better QB than most around here give him credit for he still not elite and you don't get many chances to get one even if the odds are slim. At the same time, I joked with a friend the other day saying that maybe the Giants are quietly hoping the 3 top QBs go 1-2-3 and that Minny trades up to 4-5 for McCarthy so they can take the WR but still say to the fans we wanted to take a QB and we tried to move but didn't have the ammo and at 6 none were worth a pick that high.
Ultimately time will tell and we now have less than 40 days to the draft but me fears its going to be a long 40 days.
"my guess is the Giants thinking is that if they'd had a healthy Jones for the full season they would have won 2-3 more games and been in the playoff hunt again."
If they think that, we're fucked.
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Morning guys: Well-thought out post Gidie and interesting discussion. The one thing that I sense is that the discussion that's actually going on in the Giants War Room is almost totally the opposite of the one you guys are having. It appears to me the whole tenor of the board is how do we avoid worst case scenarios whereas what I suspect what the Giants are thinking is that we are an improving team (albeit with still a ways to go) and are focused on how do we get to the playoffs and beyond.
And whether one agrees with them or not (and it matters not a whit if one doesn't) they think that right now Jones gives them the best option to get there. So many here are focused on the past when for the most part the Giants were a bad to really bad team making it almost impossible to know how good any QB would be, the Giants may very well have made the decision that Jones has the tools to be effective in the offence they want to run going forward. As an aside re the comment that Jones was outplayed by Taylor/DeVito, my guess is the Giants thinking is that if they'd had a healthy Jones for the full season they would have won 2-3 more games and been in the playoff hunt again.
Is the injury concern a real concern? Absolutely! And if it happens it happens as Gidie says you deal with it and move on. Could they take a QB at #6. Absolutely, because while I believe Jones is a better QB than most around here give him credit for he still not elite and you don't get many chances to get one even if the odds are slim. At the same time, I joked with a friend the other day saying that maybe the Giants are quietly hoping the 3 top QBs go 1-2-3 and that Minny trades up to 4-5 for McCarthy so they can take the WR but still say to the fans we wanted to take a QB and we tried to move but didn't have the ammo and at 6 none were worth a pick that high.
Ultimately time will tell and we now have less than 40 days to the draft but me fears its going to be a long 40 days.
"my guess is the Giants thinking is that if they'd had a healthy Jones for the full season they would have won 2-3 more games and been in the playoff hunt again."
If they think that, we're fucked.
+1. Colin was wrong about them last year as was JS.
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What’s your point? He was lame duck overseer for half a year after Adams Strunk fired the rest of the front office. And then was told to hit the road himself.
What's my point?
Let's see - in addition to Ryan Cowden (Executive Advisor to the General Manager) the Giants currently have former Offensive coordintor (Tim Kelly - NY Giants TE Coach) and former Defensive Coordinator (Shane Bowen - NY Giants DC) on Staff
They have the former Tennessee Director of Sports Performance (Frank Piraino - NY Giant Director of Strength and Conditioning) On Staff
They have Zack Kuhr (Deffensive Assitant) former Tennesse Assistant Linebackers Coach on staff
No significant Tennessee influence at all, got it
Bunch of low level staffers are going to make Schoens and Dabolls decisions for them?
Got it.
If they think that, we're fucked.
Morning Eric: This is the NFL where there are few easy answers so in the in the end we could be!
Right now though I am just trying to sense of what the Giants are trying to do. And what they have said publicly is that they still have faith in Jones, that they believe he has the tools to be a successful NFL QB, that it is up to him and the organization to surround him with a better supporting cast, that Jones will be the starter next fall when he's ready to go, that they'd sign a veteran (in the end Lock although he wouldn't have been my first choice) who they felt could step in and win games if Jones was injured, and that they would in all likelihood be drafting a QB at some point in the draft. Which sounds more like someone trying to cover off as many bases as possible rather that someone going full speed in another direction.
I thought the whole issue with Russell Wilson was telling. Wilson, a proven veteran, came to NY first - and remember he's got a superstar model/actress for a wife who I'm guessing given her druthers would probably prefer to live in NY rather than Pittsburgh! - and they could have offered him the starting job and would only have had to pay him the league minimum, but they didn't. They told him he'd be coming here as the backup.
So why are they thinking that way: a) they're stupid, but we know they're not; b) Mara made them do it! But we both know that's out there in conspiracy land; c) they could be throwing out some smoke and mirrors but its hard to see what that would accomplish, or d) they actually still like the guy and think that given the other options available he's the one that gives them the best chance for now to win games. Could I be wrong in that assessment. Of course. We're just trying to read the tea leaves and its an imperfect art as we learned last year. Could the Giants draft someone at 6 and end up with that guy starting by week 3. Absolutely. But maybe the Giants are thinking we shouldn't cut our best option at the position until we actually draft someone and maybe even see whether the guy can even play.
Just cut ties. End the “era”. Get a QB and move on…
Weather this is a deliberate tactic or not they have added pieces, filled gaps, but not closed any doors.
This is set up for a very entertaining draft night. They can go up a little, they can go up a lot. they can stay put and get a QB or stay put and miss out. They can drop back and have crazier options.
The big questions are how big is the gap on their board between Williams/Daniels to Maye/JJ and then from Maye/JJ to Nix.
Good chance NE, Minn and the Giants all take QB's but we don't know who wants who and where. Or if all 3 are options for each of the 3 teams.
And its been very quiet around Caleb Williams. I'm wondering if he does something to push himself to a preferred landing spot.
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Morning guys: Well-thought out post Gidie and interesting discussion. The one thing that I sense is that the discussion that's actually going on in the Giants War Room is almost totally the opposite of the one you guys are having. It appears to me the whole tenor of the board is how do we avoid worst case scenarios whereas what I suspect what the Giants are thinking is that we are an improving team (albeit with still a ways to go) and are focused on how do we get to the playoffs and beyond.
And whether one agrees with them or not (and it matters not a whit if one doesn't) they think that right now Jones gives them the best option to get there. So many here are focused on the past when for the most part the Giants were a bad to really bad team making it almost impossible to know how good any QB would be, the Giants may very well have made the decision that Jones has the tools to be effective in the offence they want to run going forward. As an aside re the comment that Jones was outplayed by Taylor/DeVito, my guess is the Giants thinking is that if they'd had a healthy Jones for the full season they would have won 2-3 more games and been in the playoff hunt again.
Is the injury concern a real concern? Absolutely! And if it happens it happens as Gidie says you deal with it and move on. Could they take a QB at #6. Absolutely, because while I believe Jones is a better QB than most around here give him credit for he still not elite and you don't get many chances to get one even if the odds are slim. At the same time, I joked with a friend the other day saying that maybe the Giants are quietly hoping the 3 top QBs go 1-2-3 and that Minny trades up to 4-5 for McCarthy so they can take the WR but still say to the fans we wanted to take a QB and we tried to move but didn't have the ammo and at 6 none were worth a pick that high.
Ultimately time will tell and we now have less than 40 days to the draft but me fears its going to be a long 40 days.
"my guess is the Giants thinking is that if they'd had a healthy Jones for the full season they would have won 2-3 more games and been in the playoff hunt again."
If they think that, we're fucked.
I fully expect them to fuck this up again. If no QB is taken in the first round, then it's entirely possible there's no legit challenger to Jones (in their eyes) in 2024. If that happens, how could they sit Jones (despite the financial/cap risks) with their jobs on the line. Wilson brought in and told he'd be the backup to Jones reinforces it imv.
Scary times just might continue, unless Schoen is truly awake to the QB reality.
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In comment 16436273 Colin@gbn said:
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Morning guys: Well-thought out post Gidie and interesting discussion. The one thing that I sense is that the discussion that's actually going on in the Giants War Room is almost totally the opposite of the one you guys are having. It appears to me the whole tenor of the board is how do we avoid worst case scenarios whereas what I suspect what the Giants are thinking is that we are an improving team (albeit with still a ways to go) and are focused on how do we get to the playoffs and beyond.
And whether one agrees with them or not (and it matters not a whit if one doesn't) they think that right now Jones gives them the best option to get there. So many here are focused on the past when for the most part the Giants were a bad to really bad team making it almost impossible to know how good any QB would be, the Giants may very well have made the decision that Jones has the tools to be effective in the offence they want to run going forward. As an aside re the comment that Jones was outplayed by Taylor/DeVito, my guess is the Giants thinking is that if they'd had a healthy Jones for the full season they would have won 2-3 more games and been in the playoff hunt again.
Is the injury concern a real concern? Absolutely! And if it happens it happens as Gidie says you deal with it and move on. Could they take a QB at #6. Absolutely, because while I believe Jones is a better QB than most around here give him credit for he still not elite and you don't get many chances to get one even if the odds are slim. At the same time, I joked with a friend the other day saying that maybe the Giants are quietly hoping the 3 top QBs go 1-2-3 and that Minny trades up to 4-5 for McCarthy so they can take the WR but still say to the fans we wanted to take a QB and we tried to move but didn't have the ammo and at 6 none were worth a pick that high.
Ultimately time will tell and we now have less than 40 days to the draft but me fears its going to be a long 40 days.
"my guess is the Giants thinking is that if they'd had a healthy Jones for the full season they would have won 2-3 more games and been in the playoff hunt again."
If they think that, we're fucked.
I fully expect them to fuck this up again. If no QB is taken in the first round, then it's entirely possible there's no legit challenger to Jones (in their eyes) in 2024. If that happens, how could they sit Jones (despite the financial/cap risks) with their jobs on the line. Wilson brought in and told he'd be the backup to Jones reinforces it imv.
Scary times just might continue, unless Schoen is truly awake to the QB reality.
Being that they self scouted and had in person interviews with all of the top QB…what would lead you to believe that Schoen isn’t fully aware of the QB reality?
Agreed. What gives me pause is I think we're in the minority there.
We shall see, but I remain optimistic
And personally of the six top guys I think Penix is the best fit.
1-5 record
TD % - 1.3 percent
INT % - 3.8 percent
Yards/Attempt: 5.7
QBR: 70.5
Tyrod Taylor
2-3 record
TD % - 2.8 percent
INT % - 1.7 percent
Yards/Attempt: 7.5
QBR: 89.1
Tommy DeVito
3-3 record
TD % - 4.5 percent
INT % - 1.7 percent
Yards/Attempt: 6.2
QBR: 89.2
Taylor and DeVito become starters and immediately they start taking shots DOWN THE FIELD.
We saw it with our own eyes. The numbers back it up too.
Is Daniel Jones better or worse than the other two? The fact that this isn't a crazy question to start with is all you need to know.
They are paying him $160 million.
Book mark this.
The question is, are his injuries just freak occurrences or does he have an inherent (genetic?) predisposition to ligament injuries?
1-5 record
TD % - 1.3 percent
INT % - 3.8 percent
Yards/Attempt: 5.7
QBR: 70.5
Tyrod Taylor
2-3 record
TD % - 2.8 percent
INT % - 1.7 percent
Yards/Attempt: 7.5
QBR: 89.1
Tommy DeVito
3-3 record
TD % - 4.5 percent
INT % - 1.7 percent
Yards/Attempt: 6.2
QBR: 89.2
Its a fair point Eric to a point. The problem with that analysis is that they played entirely different schedules and with basically different teams. In fact Jones' 5 game involved the teams most difficult stretch of the year; he had to play behind a patched together OL that had Ezedu and Neal, two human turnstiles if there ever were any, at OT and Lemieux and McKethan at OG; and was likely one of the worst in the history of the NFL; an was working for the most part without Saquon, Waller, Wan'dale and Hyatt being available.
The question is would Taylor and DeVito have fared any better or even as bad. Indeed, one can make a pretty good case that the Giants were 0-5 after those first 5 games with either guy.
More to the point it appears that the Giants understand all that and us debating it is kind of pointless.
Could Jones stay healthy a full 17 game schedule? Could the existing injury issues not impact his game moving forward? Could he become a different QB and start throwing down the field?
Sure, I guess.
But I wouldn't count on any of this.
And if this regime wants to hook their wagon to Daniel Jones, good luck with that.
Book mark this.
If that's what they run with the Giants will be irrelevant until at least 2028
He was doing this in 2nd half of 2022 with better protection, but everybody got their eyes papered over by ridiculous stats against a group of practice squad players on the Colts and among the NFLs worst defenses in the Vikings.
Good defenses know how to beat Jones mentally.
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of Jones possibly being shell shocked ala Carr in their last podcast in addition to the injuries. I'm no scout, but you can see his inclination is to run rather than let things develop. It makes sense based on what he's had to deal with, but I feel like you saw it during plays with relatively clean pockets as well.
He was doing this in 2nd half of 2022 with better protection, but everybody got their eyes papered over by ridiculous stats against a group of practice squad players on the Colts and among the NFLs worst defenses in the Vikings.
Good defenses know how to beat Jones mentally.
Agreed and the sports media cycle is so hyperbolic to get eyeballs, that the context of who they were playing was never really talked about and instead the narrative was Daboll was turning Jones into mini-Allen. It was a fun run and as a fan you get caught up and can buy into it, but the problems were there.
I believe they are trying to push a player to them whether it is a QB or WR. If it works it works.
I think they hope Maye falls to them, but if not they will have their choice of WR not named Harrison.
a few good players, but overall lack high end talent and lack depth. Needs a ton of work and won't be winning anytime soon
2 - How is our draft capital?
High end picks ,but lack depth of picks. Not even getting many comp picks. Weak roster, and weak draft capita
3- Salary cap situation?
Not good this year, and relatively speaking not great the next few years either. The good news is guys like Burns and AT are locked up aready.
IMO, unless we find a true franchise QB at the top this year that the FO is convinced is it - we are not one player away. To me, the only solution is to trade down, especially if blown away. Staying at 6 can land us a stud, but a stud WR kinda sorta doesn't move the needle enough. If we added J Jeffeson right now, are we a contender? So drafting one isn't enough, IMO
Getting blown away with a trade down can answer all three of our problems above. More draft capital that can lead to more depth of talent to fill several of our many holes. Multiple first contract payer will fix our cap issue as well!
ANd let's be honest, we will be picking top ten for another year or two anyway... With more draft capital to move up for a franchise QB, if they fallin love with soeone.
Justmy opinion. But I would stack our D. That takes pressure off the QB (especially if its Jones). We can win with a good QB that way. ANd the way teams are ggiving up on QBs earlier than ever before - the odds offinding the next Tannehill are pretty good.
I'd rather stack the D, and use mid round picks on castaways fro a team who is giving up too ealry on a QB who just was a mnismatch for their system.
I think Schoen has had a good offseason so far, but he's not done if he wants to earn that benefit of the doubt.
And if they do take a QB we have to hope he's the next coming of Josh Allen or Justin Herbert but that there is every chance that he could end up being the next coming of Zach Wilson or trey Lance or Blake Bortles or Mitch Trubisky or Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen or Mac Jones so you try and keep as many other options open as possible.
To put it another way, while there are 6 really good QB options out there, the odds are that 2-3 will be really good NFL players, 2-3 will be JAGS and 2-3 will be busts. And the dirty little secret in the NFL is that in truth nobody but nobody knows which is going to be which.
You need to deepen the room.
I also think people keep saying Giants like Jones because they want them to or they just do (bias). I’ll admit I have some bias in that I don’t like Jones as a passing QB even if you take the money and cap hit and his injuries out of equation.
Oh wait, that’s all part of the equation still.
I’m sure they like Jones the person, but Jones the QB is a highly paid milquetoast leadership personality, oft injured, and enigmatic passer. I highly doubt they “like” the idea of hitching their NFL fortunes solely to such a commodity.
That’s the rub and the end all be all. They could just as easily all survive together with an “ok” 2024 only to see the floor collapse in 2025 again.
But why would you want to risk it. If Giants have a shot at QB they need to take it and not look back. Because it’s just good business. This isn’t charity.
If they can navigate things and land a new QB at top of Rd 1 then they will, but it is looking unlikely. If they can't then they just have to decide if some of the Tier 2 guys work for them and when they might go. If all else fails, Daniel Jones is under contract and Lock will cover as needed when the season opens.
But DJ is only an option for 2024, but moreso really a dead man walking despite the double-talk posts above.
I fully expect them to fuck this up again. If no QB is taken in the first round, then it's entirely possible there's no legit challenger to Jones (in their eyes) in 2024. If that happens, how could they sit Jones (despite the financial/cap risks) with their jobs on the line. Wilson brought in and told he'd be the backup to Jones reinforces it imv.
Scary times just might continue, unless Schoen is truly awake to the QB reality.
Remember, Schoen admitted they needed to address the QB position either through the draft or free agency. Now that Lock has been signed, I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude that its mission accomplished.
Sure, they may have kicked around the idea of using the draft to possibly make the big pig pivot. But, at the end of the day, they just might still feel most comfortable with Jones. And some ego may be interfering where first time GM, who wants to still be right on Jones.
So, now it's on to the draft to continue building the team around Jones.
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I fully expect them to fuck this up again. If no QB is taken in the first round, then it's entirely possible there's no legit challenger to Jones (in their eyes) in 2024. If that happens, how could they sit Jones (despite the financial/cap risks) with their jobs on the line. Wilson brought in and told he'd be the backup to Jones reinforces it imv.
Scary times just might continue, unless Schoen is truly awake to the QB reality.
Remember, Schoen admitted they needed to address the QB position either through the draft or free agency. Now that Lock has been signed, I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude that its mission accomplished.
Sure, they may have kicked around the idea of using the draft to possibly make the big pig pivot. But, at the end of the day, they just might still feel most comfortable with Jones. And some ego may be interfering where first time GM, who wants to still be right on Jones.
So, now it's on to the draft to continue building the team around Jones.
That is what concerns me, and it's more aligned with recent history than what fans are (logically) hoping for.
There are lots of QB needy teams ahead of the Giants and folks angling to move up ahead of them.
In other words, the Giants really can't enter the season with the current QB depth chart.
In other words, the Giants really can't enter the season with the current QB depth chart.
C'mon Terps. This is preposterous. DeVito was yanked in his fourth full game. That's kinda like putting Zack Wilson back out there. It's a sign of sheer desperation to start him game one. This is the kind of statement that makes me question your sanity.
In other words, the Giants really can't enter the season with the current QB depth chart.
Locke is the better option because if he has a productive year and signs somewhere else next year for decent money - we may get a comp pick.
There are lots of QB needy teams ahead of the Giants and folks angling to move up ahead of them.
Yes, indeed. It would conveniently remove the decision from NYG hands too, in one respect.
I would trade up for Maye, but I'm not terribly sold on McCarthy, even at #6.
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the best option is DeVito. We know what Jones and Lock are, and it isn't good enough. Giving DeVito a legit shot (i.e he enters camp as the starter) is the best option.
In other words, the Giants really can't enter the season with the current QB depth chart.
C'mon Terps. This is preposterous. DeVito was yanked in his fourth full game. That's kinda like putting Zack Wilson back out there. It's a sign of sheer desperation to start him game one. This is the kind of statement that makes me question your sanity.
You're the last poster who should be questioning anyone on anything.
The Giants are going to lose with any of these three guys. None of them are any good. DeVito is the one we know the least about, so I'd be in favor of going with him. The point about Lock and the comp pick is a good one too.
The guy who definitely shouldn't play is Jones. He should never take another snap for the Giants again. There's no good reason for it.
I have the right to question everything
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The Giants are going to lose with any of these three guys. None of them are any good. DeVito is the one we know the least about, so I'd be in favor of going with him. T
You make a few god posts on other threads then you make a post like this. Then when the seaosn starts you';ll claim you never saaid to go with Devito,
Anyhow, just stop with abusrd posts like this. You're embarrassing yourself. You're way better than this.
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The Giants are going to lose with any of these three guys. None of them are any good. DeVito is the one we know the least about, so I'd be in favor of going with him. T
You make a few god posts on other threads then you make a post like this. Then when the seaosn starts you';ll claim you never saaid to go with Devito,
Anyhow, just stop with abusrd posts like this. You're embarrassing yourself. You're way better than this.
There's no point to starting the season with Jones or Lock. There's nothing to learn, and the likelihood that they will increase their dwindling value is very small. Maybe Lock could, but with Jones it's an impossibility due to injury, contract, and the well established fact around the NFL that he stinks.
The Giants don't have a good option on the roster. They're all terrible.
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The Giants are going to lose with any of these three guys. None of them are any good. DeVito is the one we know the least about, so I'd be in favor of going with him. T
You make a few god posts on other threads then you make a post like this. Then when the seaosn starts you';ll claim you never saaid to go with Devito,
Anyhow, just stop with abusrd posts like this. You're embarrassing yourself. You're way better than this.
There's no point to starting the season with Jones or Lock. There's nothing to learn, and the likelihood that they will increase their dwindling value is very small. Maybe Lock could, but with Jones it's an impossibility due to injury, contract, and the well established fact around the NFL that he stinks.
The Giants don't have a good option on the roster. They're all terrible.
If Jones starts the season, is he hurt?
So if he starts - at that moment you're already wrong, arent you when you say Jones can't increase his value because of injury? If he is healthy ofc he cna increase his value. That doesn'rt mean he will be good. -- SO you are suggesting if Giants put him out there - even though he is cleared by the Doctors-- you KNOW he is either hurt or its IMPOSSBILE he could increase his value one bit? If you think this - do you know how ridiculous that sounds vs suggesting Devito?
You can't be such a moron to sugget we knwo the leats abotu Devito. I mean there are moronic tstaements but that is too funny to takde serious.