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Scenario where Harbaugh controls which team JJM goes to

Mitty81 : 3/18/2024 10:20 am
If JJM is on the board at 5 teams may be trying to trade up to select him.

It could be Minnesota and the Giants. Or if Minnesota moves to 3 to select Maye, as many think will happen, it could be NYG, NE, or the Raiders.

In this scenario, Harbaugh will have some control over where JJM goes. Intersting wrinkle given the close relationship between JJM and Harbaugh.
In that scenario  
Mike from Ohio : 3/18/2024 10:22 am : link
they would trade him to whichever team offered the best compensation package...like every other team would do. I don't see what is different about this situation.
Harbaugh said JJ was the best QB in Michigan history and would be  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 3/18/2024 10:23 am : link
the first QB selected in the draft. Obviously promoting his guy but he didn't talk like this about any other player in his years as Michigan HC.
Hes the coach for the Chargers  
upnyg : 3/18/2024 10:37 am : link
I dont think he would or should take a lesser deal to help out another team due to his relationship to JJM.
RE: Hes the coach for the Chargers  
Milton : 3/18/2024 10:44 am : link
In comment 16437273 upnyg said:
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I dont think he would or should take a lesser deal to help out another team due to his relationship to JJM.
But he could want to keep McCarthy out of the AFC West. Broncos and Raiders are two teams looking at QBs. They would probably have to trade with Arizona to get ahead of the Giants and the Cardinals may not want to trade all the back to 12 or 13 when they already have an additional 1st round pick (27th overall) and three 3rd round picks.
RE: Hes the coach for the Chargers  
Somers24 : 3/18/2024 10:45 am : link
In comment 16437273 upnyg said:
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I dont think he would or should take a lesser deal to help out another team due to his relationship to JJM.


I don't think that is what is being suggested. I think the OP is insinuating that he may not want to deal him to an intra-division or even intra-conference team if avoidable and if offers are in the same range.
RE: In that scenario  
BleedBlue46 : 3/18/2024 10:47 am : link
In comment 16437253 Mike from Ohio said:
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they would trade him to whichever team offered the best compensation package...like every other team would do. I don't see what is different about this situation.


Harbaugh has never traded down in the 1st round, he has traded up but never down. I think Orunze will be his guy and he won't want to miss him.
RE: In that scenario  
Mitty81 : 3/18/2024 10:49 am : link
In comment 16437253 Mike from Ohio said:
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they would trade him to whichever team offered the best compensation package...like every other team would do. I don't see what is different about this situation.


Important decisions are made more with emotion than logic.

Of course, if there is a large gap in the compensation offered between two team, LAC takes the better offer. But what if the compensation is similar? I say emotion comes into play and Harbaugh would know JJM's preference on where to end up.
RE: In that scenario  
BleedBlue46 : 3/18/2024 10:49 am : link
In comment 16437253 Mike from Ohio said:
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they would trade him to whichever team offered the best compensation package...like every other team would do. I don't see what is different about this situation.


Let alone trading down with a division rival for his beloved college qb, no chance in hell imo
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BleedBlue46 : 3/18/2024 10:52 am : link
In comment 16437285 Mitty81 said:
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they would trade him to whichever team offered the best compensation package...like every other team would do. I don't see what is different about this situation.



Important decisions are made more with emotion than logic.

Of course, if there is a large gap in the compensation offered between two team, LAC takes the better offer. But what if the compensation is similar? I say emotion comes into play and Harbaugh would know JJM's preference on where to end up.


They have 3 WRs on the active roster right now. Odunze has Harbaugh and the Chargers written all over him imo, when you have a special player you take him and that's both Harbaugh's philosophy and their gm Hoe Hortiz's philosophy. I'd be shocked if they traded down past 6.
What's the interesting wrinkle?  
nygiantfan : 3/18/2024 10:53 am : link
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I doubt  
KennyHill48 : 3/18/2024 10:56 am : link
Harbaugh cares that much and is more focused on his current team and what is best for them, but in the case he does care, I suspect he has no desire to help the Vikings since apparently somebody in the organization did not want to hire him when he interviewed and short circuited his potential hire there
RE: I doubt  
BleedBlue46 : 3/18/2024 11:16 am : link
In comment 16437298 KennyHill48 said:
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Harbaugh cares that much and is more focused on his current team and what is best for them, but in the case he does care, I suspect he has no desire to help the Vikings since apparently somebody in the organization did not want to hire him when he interviewed and short circuited his potential hire there


He'd also be passing up Odunze whom is a top rated prospect in the draft at a position of their greatest need and also be passing up Nabers too.
Chargers Going WR  
BigTymer : 3/18/2024 11:24 am : link
I thought they might keep Allen or Williams but losing both creates a huge hole in their offense. And while there is depth at WR in the draft, I don't see Harbaugh moving down off the clear top-3 available since he needs a weapon on offense to get the most out of Herbert and have early success.

We have to hope Arizona loves MHJ as if so this does create a strong probability of Giants being able to move to #5 to pick JJM or not move at all.
smart move for both Chargers and Giants  
KDavies : 3/18/2024 11:53 am : link
is for Giants to trade up to 5. 3rd rounder or whatever secures them a top 4 QB assuming Harrison selected. Chargers get 2nd best WR and get an extra pick
RE: RE: In that scenario  
Mike from Ohio : 3/18/2024 12:35 pm : link
In comment 16437285 Mitty81 said:
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they would trade him to whichever team offered the best compensation package...like every other team would do. I don't see what is different about this situation.



Important decisions are made more with emotion than logic.

Of course, if there is a large gap in the compensation offered between two team, LAC takes the better offer. But what if the compensation is similar? I say emotion comes into play and Harbaugh would know JJM's preference on where to end up.


I don't agree with a thing you wrote here. If Harbaugh is making decisions based on what is best for JJM and not the Chargers, he has no business being in the position he is in.

And trading him intra-division is a different thing - most teams do not do that, especially with QBs.
RE: RE: RE: In that scenario  
Mitty81 : 3/18/2024 12:46 pm : link
In comment 16437435 Mike from Ohio said:
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they would trade him to whichever team offered the best compensation package...like every other team would do. I don't see what is different about this situation.



Important decisions are made more with emotion than logic.

Of course, if there is a large gap in the compensation offered between two team, LAC takes the better offer. But what if the compensation is similar? I say emotion comes into play and Harbaugh would know JJM's preference on where to end up.



I don't agree with a thing you wrote here. If Harbaugh is making decisions based on what is best for JJM and not the Chargers, he has no business being in the position he is in.

And trading him intra-division is a different thing - most teams do not do that, especially with QBs.


I'm not suggesting Harbaugh is not acting in the best interests of the Chargers. I'm suggesting that it's possible, if not likely, that it's not clear what the best interest of the Chargers is. Suppose Pick 5 is up and LAC has 2 offers:
-NYG offers 6 and 108 (Rd 4)
-MIN offers 11 and 2025 Rd 2 pick (expected to be late Rd 2)

What is better for LAC? It's rarely 100% clear.

I'm also not suggesting Harbaugh is going to pick up the phone and call JJM to ask what he prefers. I'm suggesting Harbaugh knows JJM well enough to know what he prefers and will take it into consideration even if he doesn't explicitly say it or know it.

You cannot be so bold to think that decisions are always black and white. Emotions come into play here, more than anyone wants to admit.

Where do you guys even come up with this stuff  
BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit : 3/18/2024 1:16 pm : link
Has anything that Jim Harbaugh has ever done in his coaching career revolved around being benevolent to others? He's a me first j-off.

The guy has no RBs, no WRs, a shaky Oline, and a defense that has consistently got torn apart but his main goal with a premium pick may be to help out a player from his previous college coaching job?

I honestly hate the month before the draft for just this reason. People get bored and come up with literal nonsense.
RE: I doubt  
Optimus-NY : 3/18/2024 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16437298 KennyHill48 said:
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Harbaugh cares that much and is more focused on his current team and what is best for them, but in the case he does care, I suspect he has no desire to help the Vikings since apparently somebody in the organization did not want to hire him when he interviewed and short circuited his potential hire there


Great point. I did not consider that before. Thanks for bringing it up!
If he was so worried about it  
Rudy5757 : 3/18/2024 2:55 pm : link
He would dump Herbert and draft him himself.

I understand he may have a soft spot for the player and if he really does think he is that good he would not want to play against him. Gaming the draft for division rivals has happened before. Supposedly Dallas did this to the Giants when they got Parsons and traded with Philly. Apparently they knew who the Giants wanted and knew they didn’t want Parsons so they got extra picks and the guy they wanted.

I don’t think he would put the player above his team though. Talking him up is one thing and taking a lesser trade is another
RE: RE: In that scenario  
Optimus-NY : 3/18/2024 2:57 pm : link
In comment 16437284 BleedBlue46 said:
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they would trade him to whichever team offered the best compensation package...like every other team would do. I don't see what is different about this situation.



Harbaugh has never traded down in the 1st round, he has traded up but never down. I think Orunze will be his guy and he won't want to miss him.


I think he could and probably would if the NYG offer up their 2nd rounder (#47 overall) to him to make sure they secure JJM.
RE: smart move for both Chargers and Giants  
Optimus-NY : 3/18/2024 3:01 pm : link
In comment 16437376 KDavies said:
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is for Giants to trade up to 5. 3rd rounder or whatever secures them a top 4 QB assuming Harrison selected. Chargers get 2nd best WR and get an extra pick


Agreed. That would be the best move for the LAC and the NYG in that scenario.
If Harbaugh takes a lesser offer in order  
Section331 : 3/18/2024 3:12 pm : link
to keep JJ happy, than he should be fired on the spot. The idea that he is that invested in where JJ goes is comical.
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