follow the actions, not the words. What good would it do the Giants to telegraph to the world they're taking QB? Also as Eric pointed out here, look at the 30 visits. Going off the last two drafts, it's a good barometer of what the Giants are looking to do, and there's already 3 of the top QB's listed in those visits.
Actions:
1. Passed on Hodgins ERFA tender
2. Did not sign a legitimate WR to replace Hodgins, only McKenzie who is a gadget/slot/returner
3. Met with all top 3 WR at combine & hosted them on a top 30
4. Signed a QB who can spot start for an injured Jones if need be
5. Scouted Maye and Williams heavily
Words (not directly from Giants)
1. Giants making calls to trade up (due diligence, don’t doubt it considering point 5)
2. Giants want McCarthy
3. Giants are done with Jones
Words (from Giants)
1. Jones is our starter
2. We will sign a veteran QB
You left out everything from the actions that goes against your narrative.
Bringing in Wilson
Letting Saqoun walk
Interest in Winston
Trade for Burns
Agree . If he is starting FA and draft are now meaningless. WR at 6 is totally meaningless. He is incompetent. If he had Jerry Rice and Randy Moss in their prime Giants offense would still be bottom three .
at least 50% of BBI will loose their minds, call for Schoen and Davoli to be shown the door and be immediately replaced by Little Bill who has been waiting in the wings to be Little Bill 2.0.
at least 50% of BBI will loose their minds, call for Schoen and Davoli to be shown the door and be immediately replaced by Little Bill who has been waiting in the wings to be Little Bill 2.0.
Yes. This is why I'm dreading draft night.
RE: RE: According to Walter Football...these are the 30 visits so far
New York Giants
Jayden Daniels, Quarterback, LSU (COM)
Jaylan Ford, Outside Linebacker, Texas (COM)
Jaden Hicks, Safety, Washington State (COM)
Adisa Isaac^, Defensive End, Penn State (COM, PRI)
Drake Maye, Quarterback, North Carolina (COM)
J.J. McCarthy, Quarterback, Michigan (COM)
Malik Nabers, Wide Receiver, LSU (COM)
Bo Nix, Quarterback, Oregon (COM)
Rome Odunze, Wide Receiver, Washington (COM)
Brenden Rice, Wide Receiver, USC (COM) https://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetingsByTeam2024.php - ( New Window )
BTW, I'm pretty sure Marvin Harrison, Jr. was a 30 visit too.
30 visits are a valuable commodity. It's clear along with WRs, they are looking at the QBs at the top of the draft.
So far the only 30 visits I've seen confirmed (as of 6 days ago) were the three top receivers, Maye and Isaac. Unconfirmed but rumored were Alt and Turner. NFL Trade Rumors said UTEP LB Tyreke Knight had a visit scheduled, along with Washington State CB Chau Smith-Wade. I'm sure there have been some more.
But that Walter list is not 30 visits, it's all contacts from the Senior Bowl through the private 30 visits. The good news is it's obvious the Giants have met with a lot more players than that in that time, but they seem to be keeping them quiet.
You can do the whole ‘F off SFGF! You aren’t a true fan!’ thing, which is fine. But I absolutely no interest in the 2024 Giants if they’re forcing Jones down our throat again. None. I can’t do it anymore with this guy. At least a new QB gives the fan base hope.
You can do the whole ‘F off SFGF! You aren’t a true fan!’ thing, which is fine. But I absolutely no interest in the 2024 Giants if they’re forcing Jones down our throat again. None. I can’t do it anymore with this guy. At least a new QB gives the fan base hope.
I'm also terrified that they move heaven and earth to draft JJ and he sucks. This franchise has really broken my spirit. It's one thing to have a bad decade+, it's another thing to just be laughably, totally, and woefully incompetent. The Giants have been in Knicks territory for a while now. (And now the Knicks have finally turned it around!)
No, there were tweets about the QBs. That's why I did a search on the Walter site to confirm. There are articles on Maye visiting too.
The only thing I've found online about Daniels and McCarthy is they met with he Giants at the combine. The only thing I've found anywhere about a QB private visit in NJ was Maye. Where did you see the other two made visits?
For some reason... I have a feeling Nix might be an under the radar signing for the G-men. There's so much BS swirling around right now, except on Nix and Penix. I wonder if those two are quietly higher on the Giants radar. Maybe with a trade down. And yes a WR at #6 wouldn't shock me at all either.
Man I just have zero idea what to expect this year. I think the Giants are doing a good job at keeping everyone guessing.
You can do the whole ‘F off SFGF! You aren’t a true fan!’ thing, which is fine. But I absolutely no interest in the 2024 Giants if they’re forcing Jones down our throat again. None. I can’t do it anymore with this guy. At least a new QB gives the fan base hope.
Because only the teams in the top 3 or 4 have control over getting one of the consensus QBs. So if you're going to put everything in your fandom emotionally into the QB or bust basket, then you better come to the reality that even if the team desperately wants a QB, it may not play out that way.
I look at it like this: I hope they get a good QB but acts of desperation rarely pay out in the end. The team isn't going to win a SB next year regardless but has an opportunity to make themselves significantly better. If the future of the position doesn't happen this year, that's unfortunate, but the team can still move the arrow significantly in the right direction. I'm not going to throw a fit about it.
Most draft scenarios have 3 QB and 3 WR going top six
follow the actions, not the words. What good would it do the Giants to telegraph to the world they're taking QB? Also as Eric pointed out here, look at the 30 visits. Going off the last two drafts, it's a good barometer of what the Giants are looking to do, and there's already 3 of the top QB's listed in those visits.
Actions:
1. Passed on Hodgins ERFA tender
2. Did not sign a legitimate WR to replace Hodgins, only McKenzie who is a gadget/slot/returner
3. Met with all top 3 WR at combine & hosted them on a top 30
4. Signed a QB who can spot start for an injured Jones if need be
5. Scouted Maye and Williams heavily
Words (not directly from Giants)
1. Giants making calls to trade up (due diligence, don’t doubt it considering point 5)
2. Giants want McCarthy
3. Giants are done with Jones
Words (from Giants)
1. Jones is our starter
2. We will sign a veteran QB
You left out everything from the actions that goes against your narrative.
Bringing in Wilson
Letting Saqoun walk
Interest in Winston
Trade for Burns
Wilson: That would actually further support the narrative, since he was told Jones is the starter. The wanted a backup for Jones. I really don’t think Wilson’s camp has anything to gain from putting out misinformation about the Giants at this point in their process.
Barkley: doesn’t mean much to me, besides them not wanting to pay a RB going into year 7. If anything, they lost their best weapon and need a new go-to guy amongst skill group.
Winston: He’s in same category as Lock, who I mentioned in the post. The Giants ended up with Lock. JW signed a similar deal but with more incentives. Perhaps Cle offered more financial upside and he chose there, or perhaps he liked the landing spot more…or maybe Giants liked Lock at his price more.
Burns: I really see no parallel, other than getting a very good, young player at a premium position for a 2nd round pick. They saved on not retaining Barkley & McKinney - probably with the intent of upgrading pass rush and OL. If your point is that the Giants are getting ready for a rookie QB contract, I think you are reading too much into the cap methodology that podcasters spread around the internet. The Giants can pay Jones and Burns next year and beyond with little to no issue, if Jones plays well enough remains here. I imagine a restructure is not out of the picture - where Jones takes a paycut to remain in 2025. If he flat out stinks this year, they will likely move on and be in position to draft (or acquire) a new QB in 2025.
RE: According to Walter Football...these are the 30 visits so far
are backup/starter wannabe material, not the future. Until DJ is healthy, he is publicly listed as the starter. There's no point in saying anything other than that.
But, it's obvious the faith in DJ is wavering, so no matter what they tell/told Wilson and Lock, a strong showing by Lock (and/or Wilson if they had signed him) in camp puts DJ's starting days in jeopardy.
And it is obvious that Giants want to draft a QB. Being in a tough spot in the QB draft order, and with a line in the sand regarding how much they're willing to trade up, we may not end up drafting an obvious QB replacement for Jones.
They want to replace DJ. If they thought Wilson was that replacement, they would have been more aggressive in signing him.
Could the Giants and DJ re-work the injury guarantee? Say they go to DJ and let it be known that they want to re-work the guarantee and if so, he has a fair shot at being the starter. However, absent that, he will be cut (and they will take the cap hit) as soon as he is healthy to avoid the guarantee. It's not personal, it's only business.
Another thought...would the 4th best QB in the Draft be better than the 1st or 2nd WR on the Board? Heard this take on Sirius NFL and it kind of makes sense.
Let's say the Giants pass on the 4th best QB or top WRs and wanted to trade down. Could they target a trade with a team that has an outstanding (in their estimation) back up QB (ready to be a starter) and, along with draft choices, include that player in the haul for #6? If that happens, cut DJ when healthy and have an open competition between Lock and the acquired QB?
Just wanted to throw some things against the wall.
You can do the whole ‘F off SFGF! You aren’t a true fan!’ thing, which is fine. But I absolutely no interest in the 2024 Giants if they’re forcing Jones down our throat again. None. I can’t do it anymore with this guy. At least a new QB gives the fan base hope.
You can do the whole ‘F off SFGF! You aren’t a true fan!’ thing, which is fine. But I absolutely no interest in the 2024 Giants if they’re forcing Jones down our throat again. None. I can’t do it anymore with this guy. At least a new QB gives the fan base hope.
Why would anyone root so had for a player on the Giants to fail? You may not like who gets drafted or plays QB but once the season starts you root for the team to be successful.
I’d like to keep Jones, but if we got Wilson I’d root for him to be successful. Or if we draft a QB and Jones still plays, wouldn’t you want him to win?
Like it or not, it doesn’t make much sense for the Giants to cut Jones this season whether we draft a QB or not. We pay him the same either way and the man works his butt off. It would be good for a rookie to see what it takes to play QB from a guy who learned from Eli.
You can do the whole ‘F off SFGF! You aren’t a true fan!’ thing, which is fine. But I absolutely no interest in the 2024 Giants if they’re forcing Jones down our throat again. None. I can’t do it anymore with this guy. At least a new QB gives the fan base hope.
We always have the off-season. As you have said the last few years, NYG are now more interesting in the off-season than the season.
1. Wilson came here for a reason. If it was as simple as DJ is the starter, the visit would have been a waste of everyone's time.
2. The article is not wrong, but somewhat off base by dismissing the remarks of Seahawks general manager. He didn't lie.
3. So what does this tell you? It tells you that any notion of DJ "being the starter" is not such a firm thing.
4. Even if DJ starts out as starter, if DJ cannot unlock the vertical passing game, something he hasn't shown the ability to do since his rookie year, he won't remain in the position for very long. Anyone who attended camp last year knows what kind of offense Daboll intends. We saw glimpses of it with Taylor last year, and it's not underneath dink and dunk.
5. There is a reason Lock was brought it. He may not be the best QB or the long term answer, but we have seen that when they can effectively attack defenses down field, this team can compete. They are going to have that dimension in the passing game this year, one way or another.
You can do the whole ‘F off SFGF! You aren’t a true fan!’ thing, which is fine. But I absolutely no interest in the 2024 Giants if they’re forcing Jones down our throat again. None. I can’t do it anymore with this guy. At least a new QB gives the fan base hope.
Why would anyone root so had for a player on the Giants to fail? You may not like who gets drafted or plays QB but once the season starts you root for the team to be successful.
I’d like to keep Jones, but if we got Wilson I’d root for him to be successful. Or if we draft a QB and Jones still plays, wouldn’t you want him to win?
Like it or not, it doesn’t make much sense for the Giants to cut Jones this season whether we draft a QB or not. We pay him the same either way and the man works his butt off. It would be good for a rookie to see what it takes to play QB from a guy who learned from Eli.
Who said they’re rooting for him to fail?
He’s already failed. The only compliment you have for Jones in that paragraph is that he works hard.
1) Nearly all the "reports" about Jones, regardless of the message, do not seem to be actually sourced. They are either speculation by the writer or weak rumor mill bits that are 3rd hand or worse.
2) The information actually coming from the Giants officially is as expected. It is generic and publicly supporting their high priced QB who is still under contract and not going anywhere this year.
3) None of this information has led me to interpret it with any confidence. What I mean is, I honestly don't have an idea what the Giants plans seem to be and the same stories have been taken to mean completely different QB paths.
4) Along with the prior points, I haven't read anything related to Wilson or Lock that seems to come from a source with actual knowledge of the situations. The most "credible" source is the Seattle GM, and even that seems to be to save face. And obviously Lock himself at his presser. But, even that was the kind of generic responses you expect from a player in his situation.
For some reason... I have a feeling Nix might be an under the radar signing for the G-men. There's so much BS swirling around right now, except on Nix and Penix. I wonder if those two are quietly higher on the Giants radar. Maybe with a trade down. And yes a WR at #6 wouldn't shock me at all either.
Man I just have zero idea what to expect this year. I think the Giants are doing a good job at keeping everyone guessing.
You know, I watched a couple of film breakdowns and interviews with Nix and he seems like more of a possibility than I thought previously. His biggest know really is his age but I think that is overblown.
On your point 4, related to Lock, it's from his own interview, backed back the recording posted online. How could you find anything more credible than that?
Then you said "The most "credible" source is the Seattle GM". How could that 2nd hand source more credible than the 1st hand?
And then you said Lock's response was just "kind of generic responses". Lock has been very clear and specific about the situation, that he was not told to compete for the starter's role. How's that generic response?
1) Nearly all the "reports" about Jones, regardless of the message, do not seem to be actually sourced. They are either speculation by the writer or weak rumor mill bits that are 3rd hand or worse.
2) The information actually coming from the Giants officially is as expected. It is generic and publicly supporting their high priced QB who is still under contract and not going anywhere this year.
3) None of this information has led me to interpret it with any confidence. What I mean is, I honestly don't have an idea what the Giants plans seem to be and the same stories have been taken to mean completely different QB paths.
4) Along with the prior points, I haven't read anything related to Wilson or Lock that seems to come from a source with actual knowledge of the situations. The most "credible" source is the Seattle GM, and even that seems to be to save face. And obviously Lock himself at his presser. But, even that was the kind of generic responses you expect from a player in his situation.
On your point 4, related to Lock, it's from his own interview, backed back the recording posted online. How could you find anything more credible than that?
Then you said "The most "credible" source is the Seattle GM". How could that 2nd hand source more credible than the 1st hand?
And then you said Lock's response was just "kind of generic responses". Lock has been very clear and specific about the situation, that he was not told to compete for the starter's role. How's that generic response?
My bet is that you don't like what you heard.
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1) Nearly all the "reports" about Jones, regardless of the message, do not seem to be actually sourced. They are either speculation by the writer or weak rumor mill bits that are 3rd hand or worse.
2) The information actually coming from the Giants officially is as expected. It is generic and publicly supporting their high priced QB who is still under contract and not going anywhere this year.
3) None of this information has led me to interpret it with any confidence. What I mean is, I honestly don't have an idea what the Giants plans seem to be and the same stories have been taken to mean completely different QB paths.
4) Along with the prior points, I haven't read anything related to Wilson or Lock that seems to come from a source with actual knowledge of the situations. The most "credible" source is the Seattle GM, and even that seems to be to save face. And obviously Lock himself at his presser. But, even that was the kind of generic responses you expect from a player in his situation.
It has nothing to do with liking what he said. I said Lock's response was generic because it was exactly what you would expect him to say. Whether it is true or not, there is no way he was going to come in here and say he's competing for the job when Jones has been publicly labeled as the starter. There was nothing wrong with what he said. It is exactly what I expected him to say if he was asked directly.
As for the Seattle GM, I said the most "credible" (including those quotes around it) because I think most people would think a GM's comments were credible if he goes on record. In this particular case, it seemed like he was making stuff up with no knowledge of what went down. So, I don't think what he said had any credibility, but people not close to the situation (i.e fans of other teams, fans not really vested in the Giants or not paying much attention, etc.) see a quote attributed to a GM and think it holds water.
Overall, there is nothing about this move that makes me think
a) the Giants will take a QB, b) the Giants are sticking with Jones, or c) are willing to give Lock a shot. Everything that has been "reported" this off season has been all over the place to the point where I think any of those scenarios are possible or some variations of them. I do think the least likely scenario is c. I think they would be more inclined to stick with Jones than move to Lock. If they are going to move on, I would think it's one of the top 6 QBs in the draft. Even Russell Wilson seemed more likely than Lock starting, and I never really put much weight in that possibility.
RE: Overall, there is nothing about this move that makes me think
OK. I think I misunderstand what you mean by saying "generic". But I do think Lock can easily say some bs (which is very common) like I enjoyed my conversations with the GM and coaches and couldn't wait to start working with them, blah, blah. He doesn't have to lie. It's easier and more approapriate for him to bs, then lie.
If the QB they want is there at 6, they'll take him
No, there were tweets about the QBs. That's why I did a search on the Walter site to confirm. There are articles on Maye visiting too.
The only thing I've found online about Daniels and McCarthy is they met with he Giants at the combine. The only thing I've found anywhere about a QB private visit in NJ was Maye. Where did you see the other two made visits?
No, there were tweets about the QBs. That's why I did a search on the Walter site to confirm. There are articles on Maye visiting too.
The only thing I've found online about Daniels and McCarthy is they met with he Giants at the combine. The only thing I've found anywhere about a QB private visit in NJ was Maye. Where did you see the other two made visits?
Twitter. I don't remember which account(s).
The info blackout is pretty good if we can’t even get intel on site visits.
If the Giants draft a quarterback early on this April, that kid is going to play at some point in 2024 unless Jones is playing very well and/or the Giants are winning. Worry about the day Jones is slogging through a long, hopeless losing season in 2024 when it gets here. That hasn’t happened yet. If the Giants draft a quarterback pretty early, everything changes here sooner rather than later. Jones won’ have a short leash, he will have no leash.
No one is getting fired.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think the Lock signing confirmed this
Well, you are already wrong since Waller retired. lol
Ha! Kinda a “if a tree falls in the forest…” thing.
There's no credible report of Waller retiring.
That explains me not knowing what the hell Johnny5 was talking about. I’m like, I’m pretty sure there would have been an article or post from Eric or something…
Drew Lock - Told he'd compete with Jones to start
I'm sure both these things are true.............
Ha. Precisely.
Jayden Daniels, Quarterback, LSU (COM)
Jaylan Ford, Outside Linebacker, Texas (COM)
Jaden Hicks, Safety, Washington State (COM)
Adisa Isaac^, Defensive End, Penn State (COM, PRI)
Drake Maye, Quarterback, North Carolina (COM)
J.J. McCarthy, Quarterback, Michigan (COM)
Malik Nabers, Wide Receiver, LSU (COM)
Bo Nix, Quarterback, Oregon (COM)
Rome Odunze, Wide Receiver, Washington (COM)
Brenden Rice, Wide Receiver, USC (COM) https://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetingsByTeam2024.php - ( New Window )
BTW, I'm pretty sure Marvin Harrison, Jr. was a 30 visit too.
30 visits are a valuable commodity. It's clear along with WRs, they are looking at the QBs at the top of the draft.
1) Despite their best efforts, the Giants are not in a position to draft his immediate replacement
2) The Giants still believe in Jones, and because of their best efforts four quarterbacks are drafted before them
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follow the actions, not the words. What good would it do the Giants to telegraph to the world they're taking QB? Also as Eric pointed out here, look at the 30 visits. Going off the last two drafts, it's a good barometer of what the Giants are looking to do, and there's already 3 of the top QB's listed in those visits.
Actions:
1. Passed on Hodgins ERFA tender
2. Did not sign a legitimate WR to replace Hodgins, only McKenzie who is a gadget/slot/returner
3. Met with all top 3 WR at combine & hosted them on a top 30
4. Signed a QB who can spot start for an injured Jones if need be
5. Scouted Maye and Williams heavily
Words (not directly from Giants)
1. Giants making calls to trade up (due diligence, don’t doubt it considering point 5)
2. Giants want McCarthy
3. Giants are done with Jones
Words (from Giants)
1. Jones is our starter
2. We will sign a veteran QB
You left out everything from the actions that goes against your narrative.
Bringing in Wilson
Letting Saqoun walk
Interest in Winston
Trade for Burns
Unless things change drastically, DJ will be the starter and a WR will be taken at 6
Agree . If he is starting FA and draft are now meaningless. WR at 6 is totally meaningless. He is incompetent. If he had Jerry Rice and Randy Moss in their prime Giants offense would still be bottom three .
We still have 5 more years to figure out if Jones is good or not, so we may get into HC 5 or 6.
Yes. This is why I'm dreading draft night.
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New York Giants
Jayden Daniels, Quarterback, LSU (COM)
Jaylan Ford, Outside Linebacker, Texas (COM)
Jaden Hicks, Safety, Washington State (COM)
Adisa Isaac^, Defensive End, Penn State (COM, PRI)
Drake Maye, Quarterback, North Carolina (COM)
J.J. McCarthy, Quarterback, Michigan (COM)
Malik Nabers, Wide Receiver, LSU (COM)
Bo Nix, Quarterback, Oregon (COM)
Rome Odunze, Wide Receiver, Washington (COM)
Brenden Rice, Wide Receiver, USC (COM) https://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetingsByTeam2024.php - ( New Window )
BTW, I'm pretty sure Marvin Harrison, Jr. was a 30 visit too.
30 visits are a valuable commodity. It's clear along with WRs, they are looking at the QBs at the top of the draft.
So far the only 30 visits I've seen confirmed (as of 6 days ago) were the three top receivers, Maye and Isaac. Unconfirmed but rumored were Alt and Turner. NFL Trade Rumors said UTEP LB Tyreke Knight had a visit scheduled, along with Washington State CB Chau Smith-Wade. I'm sure there have been some more.
But that Walter list is not 30 visits, it's all contacts from the Senior Bowl through the private 30 visits. The good news is it's obvious the Giants have met with a lot more players than that in that time, but they seem to be keeping them quiet.
The pick at 6 is for 2025. It needs to be about pivot, hope, reset forward.
I'm also terrified that they move heaven and earth to draft JJ and he sucks. This franchise has really broken my spirit. It's one thing to have a bad decade+, it's another thing to just be laughably, totally, and woefully incompetent. The Giants have been in Knicks territory for a while now. (And now the Knicks have finally turned it around!)
The only thing I've found online about Daniels and McCarthy is they met with he Giants at the combine. The only thing I've found anywhere about a QB private visit in NJ was Maye. Where did you see the other two made visits?
Man I just have zero idea what to expect this year. I think the Giants are doing a good job at keeping everyone guessing.
Same. Hard pass.
I look at it like this: I hope they get a good QB but acts of desperation rarely pay out in the end. The team isn't going to win a SB next year regardless but has an opportunity to make themselves significantly better. If the future of the position doesn't happen this year, that's unfortunate, but the team can still move the arrow significantly in the right direction. I'm not going to throw a fit about it.
Yes it would- Wilson is a better quarterback.
I can't stomach another Daniel Jones season. Please move on. He wouldn't start for other nfl team.
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follow the actions, not the words. What good would it do the Giants to telegraph to the world they're taking QB? Also as Eric pointed out here, look at the 30 visits. Going off the last two drafts, it's a good barometer of what the Giants are looking to do, and there's already 3 of the top QB's listed in those visits.
Actions:
1. Passed on Hodgins ERFA tender
2. Did not sign a legitimate WR to replace Hodgins, only McKenzie who is a gadget/slot/returner
3. Met with all top 3 WR at combine & hosted them on a top 30
4. Signed a QB who can spot start for an injured Jones if need be
5. Scouted Maye and Williams heavily
Words (not directly from Giants)
1. Giants making calls to trade up (due diligence, don’t doubt it considering point 5)
2. Giants want McCarthy
3. Giants are done with Jones
Words (from Giants)
1. Jones is our starter
2. We will sign a veteran QB
You left out everything from the actions that goes against your narrative.
Bringing in Wilson
Letting Saqoun walk
Interest in Winston
Trade for Burns
Wilson: That would actually further support the narrative, since he was told Jones is the starter. The wanted a backup for Jones. I really don’t think Wilson’s camp has anything to gain from putting out misinformation about the Giants at this point in their process.
Barkley: doesn’t mean much to me, besides them not wanting to pay a RB going into year 7. If anything, they lost their best weapon and need a new go-to guy amongst skill group.
Winston: He’s in same category as Lock, who I mentioned in the post. The Giants ended up with Lock. JW signed a similar deal but with more incentives. Perhaps Cle offered more financial upside and he chose there, or perhaps he liked the landing spot more…or maybe Giants liked Lock at his price more.
Burns: I really see no parallel, other than getting a very good, young player at a premium position for a 2nd round pick. They saved on not retaining Barkley & McKinney - probably with the intent of upgrading pass rush and OL. If your point is that the Giants are getting ready for a rookie QB contract, I think you are reading too much into the cap methodology that podcasters spread around the internet. The Giants can pay Jones and Burns next year and beyond with little to no issue, if Jones plays well enough remains here. I imagine a restructure is not out of the picture - where Jones takes a paycut to remain in 2025. If he flat out stinks this year, they will likely move on and be in position to draft (or acquire) a new QB in 2025.
Jayden Daniels, Quarterback, LSU (COM)
Jaylan Ford, Outside Linebacker, Texas (COM)
Jaden Hicks, Safety, Washington State (COM)
Adisa Isaac^, Defensive End, Penn State (COM, PRI)
Drake Maye, Quarterback, North Carolina (COM)
J.J. McCarthy, Quarterback, Michigan (COM)
Malik Nabers, Wide Receiver, LSU (COM)
Bo Nix, Quarterback, Oregon (COM)
Rome Odunze, Wide Receiver, Washington (COM)
Brenden Rice, Wide Receiver, USC (COM) https://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetingsByTeam2024.php - ( New Window )
Interesting list. Didn't the Giants have all 3 WRs in NJ for a visit and not just a meeting at the combine (COM)?
But, it's obvious the faith in DJ is wavering, so no matter what they tell/told Wilson and Lock, a strong showing by Lock (and/or Wilson if they had signed him) in camp puts DJ's starting days in jeopardy.
And it is obvious that Giants want to draft a QB. Being in a tough spot in the QB draft order, and with a line in the sand regarding how much they're willing to trade up, we may not end up drafting an obvious QB replacement for Jones.
They want to replace DJ. If they thought Wilson was that replacement, they would have been more aggressive in signing him.
Another thought...would the 4th best QB in the Draft be better than the 1st or 2nd WR on the Board? Heard this take on Sirius NFL and it kind of makes sense.
Let's say the Giants pass on the 4th best QB or top WRs and wanted to trade down. Could they target a trade with a team that has an outstanding (in their estimation) back up QB (ready to be a starter) and, along with draft choices, include that player in the haul for #6? If that happens, cut DJ when healthy and have an open competition between Lock and the acquired QB?
Just wanted to throw some things against the wall.
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You can do the whole ‘F off SFGF! You aren’t a true fan!’ thing, which is fine. But I absolutely no interest in the 2024 Giants if they’re forcing Jones down our throat again. None. I can’t do it anymore with this guy. At least a new QB gives the fan base hope.
Same. Hard pass.
Me too.
Why would anyone root so had for a player on the Giants to fail? You may not like who gets drafted or plays QB but once the season starts you root for the team to be successful.
I’d like to keep Jones, but if we got Wilson I’d root for him to be successful. Or if we draft a QB and Jones still plays, wouldn’t you want him to win?
Like it or not, it doesn’t make much sense for the Giants to cut Jones this season whether we draft a QB or not. We pay him the same either way and the man works his butt off. It would be good for a rookie to see what it takes to play QB from a guy who learned from Eli.
We always have the off-season. As you have said the last few years, NYG are now more interesting in the off-season than the season.
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WR at 6 more than likely.
Unless things change drastically, DJ will be the starter and a WR will be taken at 6
Looking forward to the Giants drafting a WR at #6 and watching Jones throw checkdown passes at Waller’s hamstrings.
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WR at 6 more than likely.
Unless things change drastically, DJ will be the starter and a WR will be taken at 6
Looking forward to the Giants drafting a WR at #6 and watching Jones throw checkdown passes at Waller’s hamstrings.
November 2024, certain BBI posters: "ugh I can't believe we wasted the number 6 pick on this wr! Bust!"
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In comment 16437309 Chip said:
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WR at 6 more than likely.
Unless things change drastically, DJ will be the starter and a WR will be taken at 6
Looking forward to the Giants drafting a WR at #6 and watching Jones throw checkdown passes at Waller’s hamstrings.
Well, you are already wrong since Waller retired. lol
2. The article is not wrong, but somewhat off base by dismissing the remarks of Seahawks general manager. He didn't lie.
3. So what does this tell you? It tells you that any notion of DJ "being the starter" is not such a firm thing.
4. Even if DJ starts out as starter, if DJ cannot unlock the vertical passing game, something he hasn't shown the ability to do since his rookie year, he won't remain in the position for very long. Anyone who attended camp last year knows what kind of offense Daboll intends. We saw glimpses of it with Taylor last year, and it's not underneath dink and dunk.
5. There is a reason Lock was brought it. He may not be the best QB or the long term answer, but we have seen that when they can effectively attack defenses down field, this team can compete. They are going to have that dimension in the passing game this year, one way or another.
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You can do the whole ‘F off SFGF! You aren’t a true fan!’ thing, which is fine. But I absolutely no interest in the 2024 Giants if they’re forcing Jones down our throat again. None. I can’t do it anymore with this guy. At least a new QB gives the fan base hope.
Why would anyone root so had for a player on the Giants to fail? You may not like who gets drafted or plays QB but once the season starts you root for the team to be successful.
I’d like to keep Jones, but if we got Wilson I’d root for him to be successful. Or if we draft a QB and Jones still plays, wouldn’t you want him to win?
Like it or not, it doesn’t make much sense for the Giants to cut Jones this season whether we draft a QB or not. We pay him the same either way and the man works his butt off. It would be good for a rookie to see what it takes to play QB from a guy who learned from Eli.
Who said they’re rooting for him to fail?
He’s already failed. The only compliment you have for Jones in that paragraph is that he works hard.
2) The information actually coming from the Giants officially is as expected. It is generic and publicly supporting their high priced QB who is still under contract and not going anywhere this year.
3) None of this information has led me to interpret it with any confidence. What I mean is, I honestly don't have an idea what the Giants plans seem to be and the same stories have been taken to mean completely different QB paths.
4) Along with the prior points, I haven't read anything related to Wilson or Lock that seems to come from a source with actual knowledge of the situations. The most "credible" source is the Seattle GM, and even that seems to be to save face. And obviously Lock himself at his presser. But, even that was the kind of generic responses you expect from a player in his situation.
Man I just have zero idea what to expect this year. I think the Giants are doing a good job at keeping everyone guessing.
You know, I watched a couple of film breakdowns and interviews with Nix and he seems like more of a possibility than I thought previously. His biggest know really is his age but I think that is overblown.
Then you said "The most "credible" source is the Seattle GM". How could that 2nd hand source more credible than the 1st hand?
And then you said Lock's response was just "kind of generic responses". Lock has been very clear and specific about the situation, that he was not told to compete for the starter's role. How's that generic response?
My bet is that you don't like what you heard.
In comment 16437675 Matt M. said:
2) The information actually coming from the Giants officially is as expected. It is generic and publicly supporting their high priced QB who is still under contract and not going anywhere this year.
3) None of this information has led me to interpret it with any confidence. What I mean is, I honestly don't have an idea what the Giants plans seem to be and the same stories have been taken to mean completely different QB paths.
4) Along with the prior points, I haven't read anything related to Wilson or Lock that seems to come from a source with actual knowledge of the situations. The most "credible" source is the Seattle GM, and even that seems to be to save face. And obviously Lock himself at his presser. But, even that was the kind of generic responses you expect from a player in his situation.
Then you said "The most "credible" source is the Seattle GM". How could that 2nd hand source more credible than the 1st hand?
And then you said Lock's response was just "kind of generic responses". Lock has been very clear and specific about the situation, that he was not told to compete for the starter's role. How's that generic response?
My bet is that you don't like what you heard.
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1) Nearly all the "reports" about Jones, regardless of the message, do not seem to be actually sourced. They are either speculation by the writer or weak rumor mill bits that are 3rd hand or worse.
2) The information actually coming from the Giants officially is as expected. It is generic and publicly supporting their high priced QB who is still under contract and not going anywhere this year.
3) None of this information has led me to interpret it with any confidence. What I mean is, I honestly don't have an idea what the Giants plans seem to be and the same stories have been taken to mean completely different QB paths.
4) Along with the prior points, I haven't read anything related to Wilson or Lock that seems to come from a source with actual knowledge of the situations. The most "credible" source is the Seattle GM, and even that seems to be to save face. And obviously Lock himself at his presser. But, even that was the kind of generic responses you expect from a player in his situation.
As for the Seattle GM, I said the most "credible" (including those quotes around it) because I think most people would think a GM's comments were credible if he goes on record. In this particular case, it seemed like he was making stuff up with no knowledge of what went down. So, I don't think what he said had any credibility, but people not close to the situation (i.e fans of other teams, fans not really vested in the Giants or not paying much attention, etc.) see a quote attributed to a GM and think it holds water.
But until then it's smart to not make promises to other QBs or tip their hand Savoy what they want in the draft.
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No, there were tweets about the QBs. That's why I did a search on the Walter site to confirm. There are articles on Maye visiting too.
The only thing I've found online about Daniels and McCarthy is they met with he Giants at the combine. The only thing I've found anywhere about a QB private visit in NJ was Maye. Where did you see the other two made visits?
Twitter. I don't remember which account(s).
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No, there were tweets about the QBs. That's why I did a search on the Walter site to confirm. There are articles on Maye visiting too.
The only thing I've found online about Daniels and McCarthy is they met with he Giants at the combine. The only thing I've found anywhere about a QB private visit in NJ was Maye. Where did you see the other two made visits?
Twitter. I don't remember which account(s).
The info blackout is pretty good if we can’t even get intel on site visits.
I swear some of you have never experienced an off-season before
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In comment 16437309 Chip said:
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WR at 6 more than likely.
Unless things change drastically, DJ will be the starter and a WR will be taken at 6
Looking forward to the Giants drafting a WR at #6 and watching Jones throw checkdown passes at Waller’s hamstrings.
Well, you are already wrong since Waller retired. lol
Ha! Kinda a “if a tree falls in the forest…” thing.
Well, you are already wrong since Waller retired. lol
Ha! Kinda a “if a tree falls in the forest…” thing.
There's no credible report of Waller retiring.
No one is getting fired.
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In comment 16437645 Johnny5 said:
Well, you are already wrong since Waller retired. lol
Ha! Kinda a “if a tree falls in the forest…” thing.
There's no credible report of Waller retiring.
That explains me not knowing what the hell Johnny5 was talking about. I’m like, I’m pretty sure there would have been an article or post from Eric or something…