Hum. It's why I'm not expecting a trade up... or JJ at #6. Kinda' 'business as usual' at 1925 Giants Drive. Though I do think Penix or Nix in the middle of the first round might be in play. This was already touched on earlier here (the report), BTW.
In my wishful thinking post, some posters challenged me that if Giants don't intend to replace DJ, why would they fly a SB QB to NY and had a meeting with him. My response was that's just due dilligence. And of course, those posters don't believe me.
Here's why- if you say anyone else besides Jones has a shot at starting you 100% say we are looking for a QB in the draft. Though that could be the sentiment outside already the Giants have maintain the argument that Jones is the guy. You have to keep that belief at least from our side or you are never going to get anyone to deal with you and you will incite any and every one who wants a QB to move up ahead of us.
Jones's days are 100% numbered. It doesn't guarantee a draft pick here but it certainly does guarantee that his time here is like a cab meter it is a countdown clock.
Here's why- if you say anyone else besides Jones has a shot at starting you 100% say we are looking for a QB in the draft. Though that could be the sentiment outside already the Giants have maintain the argument that Jones is the guy. You have to keep that belief at least from our side or you are never going to get anyone to deal with you and you will incite any and every one who wants a QB to move up ahead of us.
Jones's days are 100% numbered. It doesn't guarantee a draft pick here but it certainly does guarantee that his time here is like a cab meter it is a countdown clock.
Or it could be that the Giants were trying to gauge Wilson's reaction if he was going to be the back-up. You are not going to say "Russell we are drafting a QB in the first round" because you don't want that getting out.
Here's why- if you say anyone else besides Jones has a shot at starting you 100% say we are looking for a QB in the draft. Though that could be the sentiment outside already the Giants have maintain the argument that Jones is the guy. You have to keep that belief at least from our side or you are never going to get anyone to deal with you and you will incite any and every one who wants a QB to move up ahead of us.
Jones's days are 100% numbered. It doesn't guarantee a draft pick here but it certainly does guarantee that his time here is like a cab meter it is a countdown clock.
You've pretty much got it I think. The Giants are basically trying to sell a false narrative here. It may actually work in their favor as it leaves the fanbase unsettled and given their history many will think it's true.
I still have my moments of doubt but I tend to believe Jones is finished here.
If they draft a QB in first round and the Giants go 7-3 at the bye, and DJ is healthy and playing very well with a much better oline? It’s a good problem to have. I know this scenario scares the DJ haters to death lol!
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Very good info Eric. Schoen is a big proponent of evaluating guys by getting around them and really getting to know them. While we should not give this organization the benefit of the doubt on anything based on recent history, I have to think they would not be bringing in all of those QBs for visits if they were not serious about drafting one this year. Also, as point of reference, in 2022 3 guys the Giants took came in for Top 30 visits (Kayvon, Neal and Flott), and in 2023 4 guys the Giants took were in their Top 30 (Banks, Hawkins, JMS and Hyatt) along with Payne Durham who the Giants appeared to have been prepared to take if the Bucs did not grab him the pick before.
Most people would agree Russell is on his downside so why would there be a discussion when he’s not guaranteed a starting spot? Even the Steelers hedged the signing by trading for Fields. And I was a huge RW fan.
It’s fine, let Jones start and get another coach/GM fired.
Have the new regime pick its own QB at the top of the draft. Let’s please get rid of all the potential excuses for Jones this year. I don’t want anyone feeling sorry for Jones because he doesn’t have an all-pro kicker.
Have Mara the idiot try to entice us back with a medium
Pepsi.
follow the actions, not the words. What good would it do the Giants to telegraph to the world they're taking QB? Also as Eric pointed out here, look at the 30 visits. Going off the last two drafts, it's a good barometer of what the Giants are looking to do, and there's already 3 of the top QB's listed in those visits.
RE: If Jones is the starter going forward, this franchise is a laughing
sitting there staring us in the face. The Giants are done with Jones and that was no more evident than when we didn't even try to keep Barkley.
It doesn't mean he will be replaced by a draft pick yet but it sure does seem like the replacement will be sought this year if possible and most certainly next year.
If they draft a QB in first round and the Giants go 7-3 at the bye, and DJ is healthy and playing very well with a much better oline? It’s a good problem to have. I know this scenario scares the DJ haters to death lol!
Then he gets traded for decent compensation.
In a perfect world he looks good early and gets traded before the deadline for good comp.
Lock flat out said that he was told Jones would be the starter last week. However, I also don't think this means anything with regards to the Giants draft plans. They were never going to sit Jones purely because of the injury guarantee (as dumb as that is) even if they draft a QB. Jones if healthy will start the year and the rookie will start on the bench, as is often the case for rookie QB's.
If the Giants plan is to not draft a QB and to start Jones until he gets healthy, then the Giants deserve the misery that is ahead.
If they draft a QB in first round and the Giants go 7-3 at the bye, and DJ is healthy and playing very well with a much better oline? It’s a good problem to have. I know this scenario scares the DJ haters to death lol!
That is definitively NOT the scenario that scares intelligent Giants fans.
The terrifying scenario is the one where DJ's injury guarantee triggers for 2025 and the Giants are left with a significant cap hit next year for a QB that once again got hurt.
The only thing that makes your scenario remotely frightening is the challenge it presents in replacing DJ a year from now with a potentially lower pick to start with.
Since Seattle put out that bullcrap that Lock was told he would compete with Jones to be the starter. That previous story made no sense and Lock himself denied it, but half of BBI apparently believed it.
RE: According to Walter Football...these are the 30 visits so far
Really? Just think about that. Do you think JS makes moves as if they're bread crumbs so everyone in the media and BBI posters can figure out exactly what will happen with the 6th pick? Wow, just wow!
If they draft a QB in first round and the Giants go 7-3 at the bye, and DJ is healthy and playing very well with a much better oline? It’s a good problem to have. I know this scenario scares the DJ haters to death lol!
Playing very well is something that hasn’t happened in 5 years so nobody is scared
When the Giants signed Kerry Collins (off the scrap heap, when he was drinking and faced credible accusations of making racist comments), the Giants invariably referred to him as “backup quarterback Kerry Collins. It was comical. It was like he’d changed his first name to “backup quarterback.”
It was also kind of disingenuous. He was obviously better than the QBs they had, provided he could stop drinking and get his life together.
This is how the Giants do business. They don’t publicly displace a starting QB with a guy they’ve brought in this way. They may have intentions of replacing the QB, but they don’t announce those plans.
The Steelers may salvage Wilson but they had to jettison their starter, Kenny Pickett. The Giants aren’t in a position to do the same to Jones unless someone is willing to trade for him and take on his contract.
Since Seattle put out that bullcrap that Lock was told he would compete with Jones to be the starter. That previous story made no sense and Lock himself denied it, but half of BBI apparently believed it.
For what it's worth, either Big Blue Banter or Talkin' Giants (I can't remember which), said that they had it well sourced that the Giants were almost shocked that Wilson signed with Pittsburgh instead of the Giants. I don't think the Giants would have had that kind of reaction if the opportunity they presented to Wilson was as a backup if Jones is healthy. Also, Mara in particular apparently has a good relationship with Wilson, so it's completely plausible that once that Seattle story broke the Giants reached out to Russ's camp and asked him convey the Giants' company line of Jones being the starter if healthy.
The goal of any GM is to make predicting what his team will do / who they will draft as uncertain as possible, to make moves to jump ahead of his team to risky.
I wouldn’t doubt that to offset the public “Daniel Jones is our starting QB” are behind the scenes comments and “leaks” that the Giants have “buyer’s remorse” and are “done with Daniel Jones”.
Here's why- if you say anyone else besides Jones has a shot at starting you 100% say we are looking for a QB in the draft. Though that could be the sentiment outside already the Giants have maintain the argument that Jones is the guy. You have to keep that belief at least from our side or you are never going to get anyone to deal with you and you will incite any and every one who wants a QB to move up ahead of us.
Jones's days are 100% numbered. It doesn't guarantee a draft pick here but it certainly does guarantee that his time here is like a cab meter it is a countdown clock.
There are several misconception....that become reailty....here...that is just childish.
Here's why- if you say anyone else besides Jones has a shot at starting you 100% say we are looking for a QB in the draft. Though that could be the sentiment outside already the Giants have maintain the argument that Jones is the guy. You have to keep that belief at least from our side or you are never going to get anyone to deal with you and you will incite any and every one who wants a QB to move up ahead of us.
Jones's days are 100% numbered. It doesn't guarantee a draft pick here but it certainly does guarantee that his time here is like a cab meter it is a countdown clock.
isn't like a cab meter, its a countdown clock.
What have the Giants done?
I'm expecting year 10 to be a banner year for Jones. By then we'll have the perfect o-line, perfect wide receivers, and top defense in the NFL.
There are several misconception....that become reailty....here...that is just childish.
The cash may be paid by insurance, but the salary guaranteed in the clause unequivocally counts against the salary cap.
Agreed. It's not like Wilson doesn't have question marks too.
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J.J. McCarthy, Quarterback, Michigan (COM)
Malik Nabers, Wide Receiver, LSU (COM)
Bo Nix, Quarterback, Oregon (COM)
Rome Odunze, Wide Receiver, Washington (COM)
Brenden Rice, Wide Receiver, USC (COM)
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There are several misconception....that become reailty....here...that is just childish.
Could you explain? I want to understand this injury angle better.
There are several misconception....that become reailty....here...that is just childish.
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Here's why- if you say anyone else besides Jones has a shot at starting you 100% say we are looking for a QB in the draft. Though that could be the sentiment outside already the Giants have maintain the argument that Jones is the guy. You have to keep that belief at least from our side or you are never going to get anyone to deal with you and you will incite any and every one who wants a QB to move up ahead of us.
Jones's days are 100% numbered. It doesn't guarantee a draft pick here but it certainly does guarantee that his time here is like a cab meter it is a countdown clock.
You've pretty much got it I think. The Giants are basically trying to sell a false narrative here. It may actually work in their favor as it leaves the fanbase unsettled and given their history many will think it's true.
I still have my moments of doubt but I tend to believe Jones is finished here.
What have the Giants done?
This.
Yes.
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Jaylan Ford, Outside Linebacker, Texas (COM)
Jaden Hicks, Safety, Washington State (COM)
Adisa Isaac^, Defensive End, Penn State (COM, PRI)
Drake Maye, Quarterback, North Carolina (COM)
J.J. McCarthy, Quarterback, Michigan (COM)
Malik Nabers, Wide Receiver, LSU (COM)
Bo Nix, Quarterback, Oregon (COM)
Rome Odunze, Wide Receiver, Washington (COM)
Brenden Rice, Wide Receiver, USC (COM) https://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetingsByTeam2024.php - ( New Window )
Very good info Eric. Schoen is a big proponent of evaluating guys by getting around them and really getting to know them. While we should not give this organization the benefit of the doubt on anything based on recent history, I have to think they would not be bringing in all of those QBs for visits if they were not serious about drafting one this year. Also, as point of reference, in 2022 3 guys the Giants took came in for Top 30 visits (Kayvon, Neal and Flott), and in 2023 4 guys the Giants took were in their Top 30 (Banks, Hawkins, JMS and Hyatt) along with Payne Durham who the Giants appeared to have been prepared to take if the Bucs did not grab him the pick before.
ouch.
Have Mara the idiot try to entice us back with a medium
Pepsi.
We already are and have been for quite some time. QB sneaks inside the 5 anyone?
It doesn't mean he will be replaced by a draft pick yet but it sure does seem like the replacement will be sought this year if possible and most certainly next year.
Then he gets traded for decent compensation.
In a perfect world he looks good early and gets traded before the deadline for good comp.
If the Giants plan is to not draft a QB and to start Jones until he gets healthy, then the Giants deserve the misery that is ahead.
That is definitively NOT the scenario that scares intelligent Giants fans.
The terrifying scenario is the one where DJ's injury guarantee triggers for 2025 and the Giants are left with a significant cap hit next year for a QB that once again got hurt.
The only thing that makes your scenario remotely frightening is the challenge it presents in replacing DJ a year from now with a potentially lower pick to start with.
Jayden Daniels, Quarterback, LSU (COM)
Jaylan Ford, Outside Linebacker, Texas (COM)
Jaden Hicks, Safety, Washington State (COM)
Adisa Isaac^, Defensive End, Penn State (COM, PRI)
Drake Maye, Quarterback, North Carolina (COM)
J.J. McCarthy, Quarterback, Michigan (COM)
Malik Nabers, Wide Receiver, LSU (COM)
Bo Nix, Quarterback, Oregon (COM)
Rome Odunze, Wide Receiver, Washington (COM)
Brenden Rice, Wide Receiver, USC (COM) https://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetingsByTeam2024.php - ( New Window )
Isaac is the only private visit on that list.
Drew Lock - Told he'd compete with Jones to start
I'm sure both these things are true.............
Really? Just think about that. Do you think JS makes moves as if they're bread crumbs so everyone in the media and BBI posters can figure out exactly what will happen with the 6th pick? Wow, just wow!
As Eric said, follow the actions.
Playing very well is something that hasn’t happened in 5 years so nobody is scared
It was also kind of disingenuous. He was obviously better than the QBs they had, provided he could stop drinking and get his life together.
This is how the Giants do business. They don’t publicly displace a starting QB with a guy they’ve brought in this way. They may have intentions of replacing the QB, but they don’t announce those plans.
The Steelers may salvage Wilson but they had to jettison their starter, Kenny Pickett. The Giants aren’t in a position to do the same to Jones unless someone is willing to trade for him and take on his contract.
Drew Lock - Told he'd compete with Jones to start
I'm sure both these things are true.............
So Lock can compete for the starting gig but Wilson can't.
Mixed messages or flat out lies.
For what it's worth, either Big Blue Banter or Talkin' Giants (I can't remember which), said that they had it well sourced that the Giants were almost shocked that Wilson signed with Pittsburgh instead of the Giants. I don't think the Giants would have had that kind of reaction if the opportunity they presented to Wilson was as a backup if Jones is healthy. Also, Mara in particular apparently has a good relationship with Wilson, so it's completely plausible that once that Seattle story broke the Giants reached out to Russ's camp and asked him convey the Giants' company line of Jones being the starter if healthy.
I wouldn’t doubt that to offset the public “Daniel Jones is our starting QB” are behind the scenes comments and “leaks” that the Giants have “buyer’s remorse” and are “done with Daniel Jones”.