The giants should just stay put and let the draft come to them.
Let’s say the Vikings trade to 3 and take maye. The pats are now picking 11th.
If giants really want JJM, just stay at 6. DONT trade up with chargers and spend the extra pick. Call their bluff. I know the whole you gotta get your guy but who realistically can move up to 5? Forget broncos and raiders, he isn’t giving a division foe a franchise qb prospect and one Harbaugh thinks is the greatest since sliced bread.
Pats? Okay but why not just stay at 3? The cost to come BACK up will be pretty much everything you got from minny plus…do the chargers want to go back that far and miss out on top 3 WRs and top 3 OL? they will want a blue chipper at 5. So why not call their bluff and make em stay put and take nabers, odunze or alt.
Who else is really a threat to come all the way up to 5?
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Then what?
The Giants already have a very good qb, they should look to fill some of the holes they have in the oline, and dline. There will be qb's available next, they may even find a good one later in the draft, think Tom Brady
Lock and DeVito aren't very good.
Different scenario. Giants might be in trouble then cuz then Minnesota is a real threat to jump them at 5 with the LAC for JJM if the draft goes like so:
1 - CHI - QB, C. Williams
2 - WASH - QB, J. Daniels
3 - NE - QB, D. Maye (or JJM)
4 - ARZ - WR, M. Harrison, Jr.
5 - LAC trade to MIN - MIN chooses either QB, D. Maye (or QB JJM)
5 - NYG - Left with their derwiener schnitzels in their hands. Gonna have to pick a WR here in either Odunze or Nabers. Prolly not the latter since he got into trouble recently on gun possession charges.
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Then what?
The Giants already have a very good qb, they should look to fill some of the holes they have in the oline, and dline. There will be qb's available next, they may even find a good one later in the draft, think Tom Brady
You mean a QB with no serious injury history?… the answer is no.
Never going to happen. If they like JJM or Maye etc, they will take him at 3 and not risk moving down to move back up
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Then what?
Different scenario. Giants might be in trouble then cuz then Minnesota is a real threat to jump them at 5 with the LAC for JJM if the draft goes like so:
1 - CHI - QB, C. Williams
2 - WASH - QB, J. Daniels
3 - NE - QB, D. Maye (or JJM)
4 - ARZ - WR, M. Harrison, Jr.
5 - LAC trade to MIN - MIN chooses either QB, D. Maye (or QB JJM)
5 - NYG - Left with their derwiener schnitzels in their hands. Gonna have to pick a WR here in either Odunze or Nabers. Prolly not the latter since he got into trouble recently on gun possession charges.
The Giants at 6 offer the Chargers a better opportunity at a top 3 WR than the Vikings can offer or the best OL prospect if that’s what they wanted.
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Different scenario. Giants might be in trouble then cuz then Minnesota is a real threat to jump them at 5 with the LAC for JJM.
You dont play games when you have scouted a potential franchise QB...you take him and dont look back
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Then what?
Different scenario. Giants might be in trouble then cuz then Minnesota is a real threat to jump them at 5 with the LAC for JJM.
That's exactly right. That was my point, hence staying put runs some serious risks.
No it doesn't. You sit at 6 with a call to LAC to say you will deal if they get an offer from somewhere else. LAC still gets who they want only moving 1 back vs moving back to 8 or 11.
If Vikes don't get #3, they stay where they are unless AZ caves, which is unlikely since they want MHJ.
In any event if Schoen likes McCarthy or Maye, he will get one of the two.
Then the Giants have to pitch to ARI that LAC prefers Odunze or Nabers over MHJr
Or you do think they are one of those guys, and if you do, and someone does jump you, your career is over and the franchise missed a very feasible golden opportunity just because your GM decided he wanted to be tough
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
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Then what?
Different scenario. Giants might be in trouble then cuz then Minnesota is a real threat to jump them at 5 with the LAC for JJM if the draft goes like so:
1 - CHI - QB, C. Williams
2 - WASH - QB, J. Daniels
3 - NE - QB, D. Maye (or JJM)
4 - ARZ - WR, M. Harrison, Jr.
5 - LAC trade to MIN - MIN chooses either QB, D. Maye (or QB JJM)
5 - NYG - Left with their derwiener schnitzels in their hands. Gonna have to pick a WR here in either Odunze or Nabers. Prolly not the latter since he got into trouble recently on gun possession charges.
This is the nightmare scenario.
Going through this shitshow of a season to end up with a WR at 6 would be a kick in the nuts. Dependant position, doesn’t equate to win %, to justify the sacrifice you have to do better than that (unless it’s a generational talent at the position, of which there is one - MHJ. Very good, I.E Odunze or Nabers, doesn’t cut it).
When a team is picking here, it has a chance to alter the course of the franchise.
DJ unfortunately isn’t the answer - entering year 6 we know what he is: a fringe starter in the league. Not a championship QB.
So, picking 6:
- If you have a shot at a QB you think has it, you pick that QB.
- If no shot cause they are all gone - trade down accumulate assets. You can find very good value at WR later in this draft. Don’t force a pick cause you have it. Trade down, get more picks, beef up the roster (with more picks you can pick up both QB and WR late 1st and second who may pan out), which is what needs to be done to compete if DJ is your starter.
Don’t lose assets to move up. Play the odds. The guys picked at the top are not guaranteed to succeed (2018 draft case in point).
If there is a player at a position of impact (DL, ER, CB, OL) you think can have a very high positive impact on your team stay put and pick them. Otherwise trade down, if you can find a partner that would provide adequate compensation (usually the case in the top 10, GMs fall in love with prospects every year).
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Then what?
Different scenario. Giants might be in trouble then cuz then Minnesota is a real threat to jump them at 5 with the LAC for JJM if the draft goes like so:
1 - CHI - QB, C. Williams
2 - WASH - QB, J. Daniels
3 - NE - QB, D. Maye (or JJM)
4 - ARZ - WR, M. Harrison, Jr.
5 - LAC trade to MIN - MIN chooses either QB, D. Maye (or QB JJM)
5 - NYG - Left with their derwiener schnitzels in their hands. Gonna have to pick a WR here in either Odunze or Nabers. Prolly not the latter since he got into trouble recently on gun possession charges.
This is the nightmare scenario.
This is exactly correct with a high probability of happening if you allow it, because we have the higher pick it will cost us less the then vikes to move up one spot you have to suck it up and burn a extra pick
How many people are btiching about trading for Eli these days, but knowing what you know now that was a waste of draft pick because you could have drafted another hall of famer without giving up anything else, but that is not the reality on draft day.
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Different scenario. Giants might be in trouble then cuz then Minnesota is a real threat to jump them at 5 with the LAC for JJM if the draft goes like so:
1 - CHI - QB, C. Williams
2 - WASH - QB, J. Daniels
3 - NE - QB, D. Maye (or JJM)
4 - ARZ - WR, M. Harrison, Jr.
5 - LAC trade to MIN - MIN chooses either QB, D. Maye (or QB JJM)
5 - NYG - Left with their derwiener schnitzels in their hands. Gonna have to pick a WR here in either Odunze or Nabers. Prolly not the latter since he got into trouble recently on gun possession charges.
We haven't a clue as to what Schoen and Daboll think of the QBs or what they are willing to do to get where they want to be. They may very well believe keeping their picks and building the team means more than selling the franchise for what is left at QB.
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stops the Pats from trading back up to #5 using the #11 pick and other draft assets? If they want a QB(like JJM) but don't want him at #3, they trade down with Minny to get more ammo. Then negotiate a trade back up to #5 with the Chargers.
Never going to happen. If they like JJM or Maye etc, they will take him at 3 and not risk moving down to move back up
Exactly my point. Pats take themselves out of trading up to 5 IMO once they move back
If he can’t get the QB he wants he will get him. If he can’t he’ll go another way. Hes not going to get surprised on draft day.
Or you do think they are one of those guys, and if you do, and someone does jump you, your career is over and the franchise missed a very feasible golden opportunity just because your GM decided he wanted to be tough
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Wait. Answer the question. If vikes trade to 3. Who is a threat to move in front of us for JJm?
1. Chargers have to want to jump WAY back
2. Team has to want to give a haul
Idk if I can find a team down for this…
Unfortunately I think he played his hand already and knows he can’t get up to get the guy he wants. The Giants talking heads have shifted from we need a QB to WR is the way to go getting the fans prepared for what will happen in the draft.
I think he made his offer to the Bears and Patriots. The Bears decided to reset and take a QB. Washington was never going to trade with the Giants. I think Schoen gave NE an offer, they shopped that offer and a deal is in place with Minnesota if the right player is there.
3 QBs go 1,2,3 including the guy the Giants want. No one is going to jump the Giants. On the clock at 6 the Giants choose WR.
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Either you don't think one of the QBs is a potential franchise QB, and if thats the case you should not be taking them in the top 6
Or you do think they are one of those guys, and if you do, and someone does jump you, your career is over and the franchise missed a very feasible golden opportunity just because your GM decided he wanted to be tough
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Wait. Answer the question. If vikes trade to 3. Who is a threat to move in front of us for JJm?
1. Chargers have to want to jump WAY back
2. Team has to want to give a haul
Idk if I can find a team down for this…
Fine, I will play
It only takes one team, and you have no idea what those teams are thinking, so I will go it's the Tennessee Titans, they have a new coach who might hate Will Levis, and they pick right after us
That kind of love doesn't exist anywhere outside of Hallmark Holiday movies.
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Either you don't think one of the QBs is a potential franchise QB, and if thats the case you should not be taking them in the top 6
Or you do think they are one of those guys, and if you do, and someone does jump you, your career is over and the franchise missed a very feasible golden opportunity just because your GM decided he wanted to be tough
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Wait. Answer the question. If vikes trade to 3. Who is a threat to move in front of us for JJm?
1. Chargers have to want to jump WAY back
2. Team has to want to give a haul
Idk if I can find a team down for this…
Fine, I will play
It only takes one team, and you have no idea what those teams are thinking, so I will go it's the Tennessee Titans, they have a new coach who might hate Will Levis, and they pick right after us
Idk if they go QB again… their OL is really bad too. I guess it’s the only team that could but I’m not sure they jus bail on levis so soon
Agreed but not with a division foe. No way harbaugh hands em JJ
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The Giants already have a very good qb, they should look to fill some of the holes they have in the oline, and dline. There will be qb's available next, they may even find a good one later in the draft, think Tom Brady
Already have a very good QB? Oh the delusions of the DJFC.
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Then what?
The Giants already have a very good qb, they should look to fill some of the holes they have in the oline, and dline. There will be qb's available next, they may even find a good one later in the draft, think Tom Brady
Already have a very good QB? Oh the delusions of the DJFC.
DJFC? 1 person is a FC?