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If Giants truly interested in JJ McCarthy...

bluewave : 3/18/2024 4:29 pm

It seems that they'll have some competition to get him...
My hope is that Schoen and Daboll  
Chris684 : 3/18/2024 4:37 pm : link
(as the smart football guys I believe they are) are annoyed with how bad they've been made to look with the process of last offseason and how it unfolded with whatever combo/package deal they had with Jones and Barkley. Trying to get them back together clearly lead to mistakes and I continue to believe that Daboll showed his cards on how he feels about Jones specifically in the Seattle game this past year when he threw the tablet in disgust.
If the Pats stay at 3  
Reeses Pieces : 3/18/2024 4:38 pm : link
And draft a QB, I have trouble seeing the Vikings jumping the Giants in this draft. Cards are drafting MHJ. The Chargers just dropped two key WRs and will likely look to add a top WR via the draft.

With that said, the Giants can deal with the Chargers allowing them to still get one of Odunze or Nabers.

Would the Chargers be comfortable with picks 11/23? Maybe add Brian Thomas and another player.
Crazy  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2024 4:44 pm : link
Someone on here said the NFL doesn’t think he’s a top 10 prospect
If the Chargers need a WR badly  
Metnut : 3/18/2024 4:46 pm : link
they likely don’t want to trade down below #6 and miss out on the elite talent at the position. Giants should stand pat and not give up valuable assets.
RE: If the Chargers need a WR badly  
robbieballs2003 : 3/18/2024 4:49 pm : link
In comment 16437793 Metnut said:
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they likely don’t want to trade down below #6 and miss out on the elite talent at the position. Giants should stand pat and not give up valuable assets.


The Chargers need a lot more than just a WR. I think it is likely they want one of the top 3 but they need edge rushers too. They can absolutely trade down, select an edge, and draft a WR. The point is they have options. Completely disregarding their other needs is foolish.
RE: Crazy  
IchabodGiant : 3/18/2024 4:54 pm : link
In comment 16437789 ajr2456 said:
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Someone on here said the NFL doesn’t think he’s a top 10 prospect


Shhh, Tuckrule already said JJ sucks. So it's already been decided.
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Toth029 : 3/18/2024 4:54 pm : link
Could see the Chargers taking OT, instead because Harbaugh and Roman run a specific program. Wide receiver is obviously a must but I don't think it's a slam dunk.

Positive, for me  
Spider43 : 3/18/2024 4:55 pm : link
Someone else jumping us for JJ. Maye and/or Odunze might then drop to our laps. Heck, even MHJ. Crazier things have happened...
Even if the Giants like him  
Matt M. : 3/18/2024 4:56 pm : link
I wouldn't care what anyone else's interests are. I just don't think there is a compelling enough reason to trade up for him. If they like him and he's there at 6, take him. If he's not there, take the BPA on your board or take May if you like him and he slipped to 6. That goes for Maye as well. The only QBs I think truly worthy of trading up for are Williams and Daniels and I don't think there is a shot in Hell we actually attempt to trade up for and I don't advocate for it either.

In the next tier, you could argue it may be worth it trade up to the end of round 1 or higher in round 2 for Nix or Penix if they go another route with #6 and they like one of those guys. Again, I wouldn't advocate for it.
RE: My hope is that Schoen and Daboll  
Ivan15 : 3/18/2024 5:09 pm : link
In comment 16437778 Chris684 said:
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(as the smart football guys I believe they are) are annoyed with how bad they've been made to look with the process of last offseason and how it unfolded with whatever combo/package deal they had with Jones and Barkley. Trying to get them back together clearly lead to mistakes and I continue to believe that Daboll showed his cards on how he feels about Jones specifically in the Seattle game this past year when he threw the tablet in disgust.
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RE: RE: If the Chargers need a WR badly  
BleedBlue46 : 3/18/2024 5:13 pm : link
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they likely don’t want to trade down below #6 and miss out on the elite talent at the position. Giants should stand pat and not give up valuable assets.



The Chargers need a lot more than just a WR. I think it is likely they want one of the top 3 but they need edge rushers too. They can absolutely trade down, select an edge, and draft a WR. The point is they have options. Completely disregarding their other needs is foolish.


They still have Mack and Bosa. Their top needs are RT, WR, CB I believe. Harbaugh had never traded down with a rd1 pick. He's going to get his version of Michael Crabtree in Odunze st 5 imo and he won't trade down with a chance at a top prospect with impeccable character in their position of biggest need.
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BleedBlue46 : 3/18/2024 5:17 pm : link
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Could see the Chargers taking OT, instead because Harbaugh and Roman run a specific program. Wide receiver is obviously a must but I don't think it's a slam dunk.


They have a former all pro, young Left tackle in Rashawn Slater. Harbaugh has also never taken an OL in rd1. In his first draft with the 49ers in 2009 he took Michael Crabtree at pick 10. I definitely don't see them going right tackle in a deep tackle draft. They would get a good right tackle in rd2 like Jordan Morgan.
Just for fun: Chargers take JJ McCarthy  
Angus : 3/18/2024 5:19 pm : link
And try to trade Herbert.
RE: Even if the Giants like him  
BleedBlue46 : 3/18/2024 5:19 pm : link
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I wouldn't care what anyone else's interests are. I just don't think there is a compelling enough reason to trade up for him. If they like him and he's there at 6, take him. If he's not there, take the BPA on your board or take May if you like him and he slipped to 6. That goes for Maye as well. The only QBs I think truly worthy of trading up for are Williams and Daniels and I don't think there is a shot in Hell we actually attempt to trade up for and I don't advocate for it either.

In the next tier, you could argue it may be worth it trade up to the end of round 1 or higher in round 2 for Nix or Penix if they go another route with #6 and they like one of those guys. Again, I wouldn't advocate for it.


I agree with the caveat being a trade up to 5 for Maye or McCarthy if another team was banging their line, I would do that.
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robbieballs2003 : 3/18/2024 5:22 pm : link
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they likely don’t want to trade down below #6 and miss out on the elite talent at the position. Giants should stand pat and not give up valuable assets.



The Chargers need a lot more than just a WR. I think it is likely they want one of the top 3 but they need edge rushers too. They can absolutely trade down, select an edge, and draft a WR. The point is they have options. Completely disregarding their other needs is foolish.



They still have Mack and Bosa. Their top needs are RT, WR, CB I believe. Harbaugh had never traded down with a rd1 pick. He's going to get his version of Michael Crabtree in Odunze st 5 imo and he won't trade down with a chance at a top prospect with impeccable character in their position of biggest need.


Both are probably gone in a year. They were on the trade block this year. Mack is basically done. Bosa is always injured. The draft isn't about right now. They need WR, OL, and edge help. Look at what Harbaugh started in SF. It was all about dominant lines. You guys are convincing yourselves he won't trade down. That is all it is. To say they won't is just wishful thinking. Again, I said it is likely they take a WR but there is no certainty in that. And that was the point of my post. If you love a QB then you are being straight up stupid to risk losing that QB over a third round pick.
RE: If the Chargers need a WR badly  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/18/2024 5:27 pm : link
In comment 16437793 Metnut said:
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they likely don’t want to trade down below #6 and miss out on the elite talent at the position. Giants should stand pat and not give up valuable assets.


At 11 and 23 the Chargers could draft Brian Thomas and Keon Coleman and be set at WR for the next 5 years
RE: RE: Even if the Giants like him  
Matt M. : 3/18/2024 5:30 pm : link
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I wouldn't care what anyone else's interests are. I just don't think there is a compelling enough reason to trade up for him. If they like him and he's there at 6, take him. If he's not there, take the BPA on your board or take May if you like him and he slipped to 6. That goes for Maye as well. The only QBs I think truly worthy of trading up for are Williams and Daniels and I don't think there is a shot in Hell we actually attempt to trade up for and I don't advocate for it either.

In the next tier, you could argue it may be worth it trade up to the end of round 1 or higher in round 2 for Nix or Penix if they go another route with #6 and they like one of those guys. Again, I wouldn't advocate for it.



I agree with the caveat being a trade up to 5 for Maye or McCarthy if another team was banging their line, I would do that.
That's just it. I don't think enough separates these 2, regardless of which you like better. I wouldn't give up ANYTHING to move up one spot for either. I'd take whichever is there at 6.
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BleedBlue46 : 3/18/2024 5:31 pm : link
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they likely don’t want to trade down below #6 and miss out on the elite talent at the position. Giants should stand pat and not give up valuable assets.



The Chargers need a lot more than just a WR. I think it is likely they want one of the top 3 but they need edge rushers too. They can absolutely trade down, select an edge, and draft a WR. The point is they have options. Completely disregarding their other needs is foolish.



They still have Mack and Bosa. Their top needs are RT, WR, CB I believe. Harbaugh had never traded down with a rd1 pick. He's going to get his version of Michael Crabtree in Odunze st 5 imo and he won't trade down with a chance at a top prospect with impeccable character in their position of biggest need.



Both are probably gone in a year. They were on the trade block this year. Mack is basically done. Bosa is always injured. The draft isn't about right now. They need WR, OL, and edge help. Look at what Harbaugh started in SF. It was all about dominant lines. You guys are convincing yourselves he won't trade down. That is all it is. To say they won't is just wishful thinking. Again, I said it is likely they take a WR but there is no certainty in that. And that was the point of my post. If you love a QB then you are being straight up stupid to risk losing that QB over a third round pick.


Oh, I agree 100% I would give up a 3rd, ideally future 3rd with the Chargers. I do think Harbaugh likes to focus on getting blue chip players as evinced by him never trading down in rd1. Odunze is just that and a perfect fit in every way. I agree though I would absolutely give up a future 3rd or even this years for jjm or maye at 5.
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BleedBlue46 : 3/18/2024 5:32 pm : link
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they likely don’t want to trade down below #6 and miss out on the elite talent at the position. Giants should stand pat and not give up valuable assets.



At 11 and 23 the Chargers could draft Brian Thomas and Keon Coleman and be set at WR for the next 5 years


Neither of those guys are anywhere close to the complete blue chip receivers that are Odunze and Nabers.
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robbieballs2003 : 3/18/2024 5:34 pm : link
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I wouldn't care what anyone else's interests are. I just don't think there is a compelling enough reason to trade up for him. If they like him and he's there at 6, take him. If he's not there, take the BPA on your board or take May if you like him and he slipped to 6. That goes for Maye as well. The only QBs I think truly worthy of trading up for are Williams and Daniels and I don't think there is a shot in Hell we actually attempt to trade up for and I don't advocate for it either.

In the next tier, you could argue it may be worth it trade up to the end of round 1 or higher in round 2 for Nix or Penix if they go another route with #6 and they like one of those guys. Again, I wouldn't advocate for it.



I agree with the caveat being a trade up to 5 for Maye or McCarthy if another team was banging their line, I would do that.

That's just it. I don't think enough separates these 2, regardless of which you like better. I wouldn't give up ANYTHING to move up one spot for either. I'd take whichever is there at 6.


This isn't fantasy football. You don't say I need a QB and just draft whoever is left. It isn't about what you think. It is what the Giants organization thinks.
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Toth029 : 3/18/2024 5:38 pm : link
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Could see the Chargers taking OT, instead because Harbaugh and Roman run a specific program. Wide receiver is obviously a must but I don't think it's a slam dunk.




They have a former all pro, young Left tackle in Rashawn Slater. Harbaugh has also never taken an OL in rd1. In his first draft with the 49ers in 2009 he took Michael Crabtree at pick 10. I definitely don't see them going right tackle in a deep tackle draft. They would get a good right tackle in rd2 like Jordan Morgan.


Crabtree was there before Harbs. They did draft AJ Jenkins in the 1st in their second season. First draft for him was Aldon Smith. Odunze is a better fit on his style offense however. If they take one, it's him rather than Nabers.

You also could see Fuaga or Fautanu go high. Fautanu fits their scheme to a tee.

For JJ McCarthy, everyone needs to watch BigBlueBanters video with Trevor Sikkema. Discussed JJ and other QB's a bunch and notably talked how JJ got better at the pre-snap reads, under pressure, and understanding of the game in his second full season starting. A big jump. Also mentioned how 65% of the time on 3rd and long, he's throwing past the sticks. Not throwing to a NFL caliber prospect who uses his talent to outrun college defenders. Like how LSU, Oregon, and Washington would.
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Matt M. : 3/18/2024 5:42 pm : link
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I wouldn't care what anyone else's interests are. I just don't think there is a compelling enough reason to trade up for him. If they like him and he's there at 6, take him. If he's not there, take the BPA on your board or take May if you like him and he slipped to 6. That goes for Maye as well. The only QBs I think truly worthy of trading up for are Williams and Daniels and I don't think there is a shot in Hell we actually attempt to trade up for and I don't advocate for it either.

In the next tier, you could argue it may be worth it trade up to the end of round 1 or higher in round 2 for Nix or Penix if they go another route with #6 and they like one of those guys. Again, I wouldn't advocate for it.



I agree with the caveat being a trade up to 5 for Maye or McCarthy if another team was banging their line, I would do that.

That's just it. I don't think enough separates these 2, regardless of which you like better. I wouldn't give up ANYTHING to move up one spot for either. I'd take whichever is there at 6.



This isn't fantasy football. You don't say I need a QB and just draft whoever is left. It isn't about what you think. It is what the Giants organization thinks.
Obviously. I already said I don't think enough separates the two or that either of the 2 distinguishes himself enough to warrant a trade up. So, I am assuming they like both Maye and McCarthy. If they like McCarthy more, as has been rumored and/or don't like Maye, then I would take the top WR left and take Nix or Penix in round 2, assuming both are there. That's my opinion. I have said I really don't even to pretend to know what the Giants are thinking.
RE: RE: If the Chargers need a WR badly  
bw in dc : 3/18/2024 5:44 pm : link
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they likely don’t want to trade down below #6 and miss out on the elite talent at the position. Giants should stand pat and not give up valuable assets.



At 11 and 23 the Chargers could draft Brian Thomas and Keon Coleman and be set at WR for the next 5 years


Totally agree with your Thomas, POV. He's a monster with tremendous upside.
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BleedBlue46 : 3/18/2024 6:22 pm : link
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Could see the Chargers taking OT, instead because Harbaugh and Roman run a specific program. Wide receiver is obviously a must but I don't think it's a slam dunk.




They have a former all pro, young Left tackle in Rashawn Slater. Harbaugh has also never taken an OL in rd1. In his first draft with the 49ers in 2009 he took Michael Crabtree at pick 10. I definitely don't see them going right tackle in a deep tackle draft. They would get a good right tackle in rd2 like Jordan Morgan.



Crabtree was there before Harbs. They did draft AJ Jenkins in the 1st in their second season. First draft for him was Aldon Smith. Odunze is a better fit on his style offense however. If they take one, it's him rather than Nabers.

You also could see Fuaga or Fautanu go high. Fautanu fits their scheme to a tee.

For JJ McCarthy, everyone needs to watch BigBlueBanters video with Trevor Sikkema. Discussed JJ and other QB's a bunch and notably talked how JJ got better at the pre-snap reads, under pressure, and understanding of the game in his second full season starting. A big jump. Also mentioned how 65% of the time on 3rd and long, he's throwing past the sticks. Not throwing to a NFL caliber prospect who uses his talent to outrun college defenders. Like how LSU, Oregon, and Washington would.


Good point, for some reason I was thinking his first season there was 2009. My mistake. Who knows what they do really, I feel confident he won't trade down and miss his blue chip guys though.
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Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/18/2024 7:27 pm : link
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they likely don’t want to trade down below #6 and miss out on the elite talent at the position. Giants should stand pat and not give up valuable assets.



At 11 and 23 the Chargers could draft Brian Thomas and Keon Coleman and be set at WR for the next 5 years



Neither of those guys are anywhere close to the complete blue chip receivers that are Odunze and Nabers.


Maybe? But I'd rather have a Thomas and Coleman starting than a MHJ and Darius Slayton. I'll take two, 1B WR's over one 1A.
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WillVAB : 3/18/2024 8:12 pm : link
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they likely don’t want to trade down below #6 and miss out on the elite talent at the position. Giants should stand pat and not give up valuable assets.



At 11 and 23 the Chargers could draft Brian Thomas and Keon Coleman and be set at WR for the next 5 years



Neither of those guys are anywhere close to the complete blue chip receivers that are Odunze and Nabers.



You’re assuming Harbaugh gives a shit about WRs as much as you do. The Chargers have had plenty of WRs during the Herbert era, where has that gotten them?

If I’m Harbaugh I’d probably be more interested in the Vikings package of picks than the Giants.
The more I think about it, the more I hope  
Matt M. : 3/19/2024 9:40 am : link
McCarthy goes as the 3rd QB because I'd rather have Maye.
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