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What if Caleb says he will only sign with the Giants?

Lowell : 3/19/2024 1:44 pm
Up until now players had no recourse but to sign with the team that drafted them. Only Eli, Elway and Bo Jackson refused to sign unless it was with a team of their choice. But now a player like Caleb, who is already wealthy from NIL, can afford to play hardball. New York could offer him a big stage and immense financial opportunities. Of course, this scenario is hypothetical but whether this year or in the near future a top NIL rich draftee is going to insist on where he wants to play and more and more will likely follow suit.

Adam Fox was drafted by Calgary and refused to sign so Calgary traded his rights to Carolina and he told them he would only sign with the Rangers. He was from Long Island and he and his family were life long Rangers fans. So two teams had no choice but to send a what turned out to be a future Norris Trophy winner to his preferred destination.

I think it's inevitable that already rich draft prospects are going to defy the NFL draft tradition and look to create their own destiny. Thoughts?

serious question though  
fish3321 : 3/19/2024 1:47 pm : link
why would he want us over the other top 6 teams?

Sure the big apple marketing appeal.... But, we have no WR1, o line and suspect until proven otherwise and Singletary is a nice player but thats about it.

Point is he could  
Lowell : 3/19/2024 1:52 pm : link
choose any team not necessarily the Giants.I think teams have to ask agents whether their player will sign with the team.
What's his alternative?  
81_Great_Dane : 3/19/2024 1:59 pm : link
Refuse to sign, take a year off and re-enter the draft next year? No guarantee he'd be drafted by the Giants then, either.

The whole draft system would be endangered by that kind of move. I don't think the draft system is essential to the NFL, and I'm fine with the players having a say in where they go — like people leaving college normally do — but it would be an earthquake for the league.
Premadonna  
jintsjunkie : 3/19/2024 2:04 pm : link
Stay way away. A canker sore waiting to happen.
Caleb  
stretch234 : 3/19/2024 2:06 pm : link
He has Keenan Allen, DJ Moore, Kmet as a TE. Why the Giants
What if the team doesn't want the player who will only sign with that  
GiantBlue : 3/19/2024 2:06 pm : link
team??????

What if Caleb says he will only sign with the Giants and then Joe says he was never in the conversation and "Thanks, by no Thanks."

LOL....I would imagine the player/agent would want recipocracy.

Caleb would get good meida exposure in Chicago, Boston, Washington, DC as well.

Joe knows who he wants or who he doesn't want.
RE: Primadonna  
jintsjunkie : 3/19/2024 2:08 pm : link
In comment 16439167 jintsjunkie said:
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Stay way away. A canker sore waiting to happen.
Wont work for him, he is not all that  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 3/19/2024 2:09 pm : link
Imo
I am patiently waiting for that day to come  
djm : 3/19/2024 2:11 pm : link
any day now...any day...
Sure, the more money a draftee has,  
Mad Mike : 3/19/2024 2:11 pm : link
the less of a bluff it is to insist they'll only go to certain teams. Will a player ever get "called" and then follow through? Who knows, I guess we'll find out eventually.
RE: What's his alternative?  
Lowell : 3/19/2024 2:12 pm : link
In comment 16439163 81_Great_Dane said:
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Refuse to sign, take a year off and re-enter the draft next year? No guarantee he'd be drafted by the Giants then, either.

The whole draft system would be endangered by that kind of move. I don't think the draft system is essential to the NFL, and I'm fine with the players having a say in where they go — like people leaving college normally do — but it would be an earthquake for the league.


The Bears would have to trade him or lose his rights by the next draft and get nothing for the overall first pick.
Better chance he forces a trade to Washington  
ZogZerg : 3/19/2024 2:15 pm : link
He is from the DC area, I believe.
RE: I am patiently waiting for that day to come  
SleepyOwl : 3/19/2024 2:20 pm : link
In comment 16439184 djm said:
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any day now...any day...



Eli already did it.
RE: Sure, the more money a draftee has,  
Lowell : 3/19/2024 2:22 pm : link
In comment 16439186 Mad Mike said:
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the less of a bluff it is to insist they'll only go to certain teams. Will a player ever get "called" and then follow through? Who knows, I guess we'll find out eventually.


Bo Jackson was the overall #1 pick and refused to sun with the Bucs and opted to play MLB instead.The Bucs got nothing. What makes it even worse is that the Buccaneers turned down a trade offer for Bo from the 49ers that included Ronnie Lott, Wendell Tyler, and TWO first round picks.
RE: RE: Sure, the more money a draftee has,  
Mad Mike : 3/19/2024 2:24 pm : link
In comment 16439207 Lowell said:
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Bo Jackson was the overall #1 pick and refused to sun with the Bucs and opted to play MLB instead.The Bucs got nothing. What makes it even worse is that the Buccaneers turned down a trade offer for Bo from the 49ers that included Ronnie Lott, Wendell Tyler, and TWO first round picks.

Sure, but that's not truly analogous. Playing pro baseball is a bit different than sitting at home, even sitting at home with the pile of money you've gotten from endorsements.
RE: RE: Primadonna  
Darwinian : 3/19/2024 2:25 pm : link
In comment 16439177 jintsjunkie said:
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Stay way away. A canker sore waiting to happen.



You mean like Eli Manning.
Players  
bc0312 : 3/19/2024 2:28 pm : link
don't need to be in NY anymore to have the visibility. Look at Mahomes and Kelce...every time you turn on the TV, one or both of them are on a commercial. I can't imagine they would have more exposure in NY than they do now in a small market.
RE: Caleb  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/19/2024 2:32 pm : link
In comment 16439170 stretch234 said:
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He has Keenan Allen, DJ Moore, Kmet as a TE. Why the Giants


Bingo. The Bears are loading up. They will turn things around fast over there.
RE: Point is he could  
k2tampa : 3/19/2024 2:37 pm : link
In comment 16439148 Lowell said:
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choose any team not necessarily the Giants.I think teams have to ask agents whether their player will sign with the team.


It happens all the time in the MLB draft if players have more college eligibility or are high school kids with college offers.
RE: Players  
AlwaysASpiral : 3/19/2024 2:40 pm : link
In comment 16439213 bc0312 said:
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don't need to be in NY anymore to have the visibility. Look at Mahomes and Kelce...every time you turn on the TV, one or both of them are on a commercial. I can't imagine they would have more exposure in NY than they do now in a small market.


I wasn‘t thinking of visibility. A lot of people have pride in NY and want to play for the team they rooted for.
RE: Better chance he forces a trade to Washington  
bw in dc : 3/19/2024 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16439194 ZogZerg said:
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He is from the DC area, I believe.


He is. Went to Gonzaga HS.

I'm surprised Team Caleb hasn't pushed for this. I don't like when players do this, but I would understand any player's reluctance to go to Chicago.
RE: RE: Players  
k2tampa : 3/19/2024 2:55 pm : link
In comment 16439225 AlwaysASpiral said:
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don't need to be in NY anymore to have the visibility. Look at Mahomes and Kelce...every time you turn on the TV, one or both of them are on a commercial. I can't imagine they would have more exposure in NY than they do now in a small market.



I wasn‘t thinking of visibility. A lot of people have pride in NY and want to play for the team they rooted for.


More importantly, a lot of people want to be able to pick where they live.
The difference between #1 and #6  
ajr2456 : 3/19/2024 3:07 pm : link
Is $10 million, and $7.3 million up front. Caleb Williams isn’t passing that up for another team that hasn’t been very good for a decade.
RE: serious question though  
Jim in NH : 3/19/2024 5:07 pm : link
In comment 16439137 fish3321 said:
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why would he want us over the other top 6 teams?

Sure the big apple marketing appeal.... But, we have no WR1, o line and suspect until proven otherwise and Singletary is a nice player but thats about it.


I am dreading the fact that everyone but the Giants will see the problems with Caleb Williams and they will get stuck with an almost certain bust after giving up their future.
What if Caleb says he will only sign with the Giants?  
David B. : 3/19/2024 5:52 pm : link
And the Giants don't love him and aren't interested?

Guess he'd quit football.
RE: RE: serious question though  
Mad Mike : 3/19/2024 6:05 pm : link
In comment 16439435 Jim in NH said:
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I am dreading the fact that everyone but the Giants will see the problems with Caleb Williams and they will get stuck with an almost certain bust after giving up their future.

Yes, that is an entirely serious scenario which you should fret over until draft day.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/19/2024 6:59 pm : link
I suspect he'll be a great QB & this post will be LOL in a couple of seasons, but I could-COULD-see him having trouble with the Chicago market. That's a tough, tough place to be on the big stage. And one could counter, 'Well SFGF...he went to SC & LA is a bigger market.' Yes, that's true, but there's a big difference between being the USC QB & the Bears QB, even if USC is a huge deal in LA. The Bears are-without ? IMO-the top team in Chicagoland. LA has a ton of other stuff going on & the weather doesn't hurt either; Chicago is a sports madhouse & it is cold AF most of the time so people aren't as distracted frocking about outside.

& I do think there are legit concerns about his mental makeup. Again, I could be 100% off base and he'll be the best Bears QB in most of our lifetimes. But if he flamed out in Chicago...I wouldn't be shocked.
RE: RE: I am patiently waiting for that day to come  
djm : 3/19/2024 7:25 pm : link
In comment 16439205 SleepyOwl said:
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any day now...any day...




Eli already did it.


Yes I’m well aware. 20 years later we’re due for another.



RE: RE: serious question though  
Jim in Tampa : 3/19/2024 8:34 pm : link
In comment 16439435 Jim in NH said:
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why would he want us over the other top 6 teams?

Sure the big apple marketing appeal.... But, we have no WR1, o line and suspect until proven otherwise and Singletary is a nice player but thats about it.




I am dreading the fact that everyone but the Giants will see the problems with Caleb Williams and they will get stuck with an almost certain bust after giving up their future.

Potential to be a bust? Sure. All NFL prospects have bust potential.

But calling the virtual lock to be the first overall player taken "an almost certain bust" is ludicrous.

Don't worry, you can rest easy. Bears have traded away Fields. They're not trading out of the top spot... and they're taking Caleb.
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