Was a Dan Patrick quote on his show this morning, as they were discussing the Fields situation in Chicago.
I don't think there's one way to go about it, but I won't be disappointed if the Giants don't draft a quarterback at #6.
On SNY this morning some chatter about JS possibly looking at adding more defensive strength, which is great, and which if that occurs, might lead me to believe the Giants are pinpointing offense.
Some have said Penix at #6, but how can anyone here favor the idea of bringing aboard a quarterback whose last four seasons have ended with injuries (ACL tear as a true freshman; following year dislocated SC joint in his non-throwing shoulder; re-tear of the ACL; next season, dislocated joint in throwing shoulder). That was 2018 to 2021. I don't need to remind you what year THIS is.
Another constantly yammered about is JJ McCarthy, who just a couple months ago was the SEVENTH quarterback in some ratings and the 99th-ranked player overall. Guy played in a run-first offense and would require an instant trip to the local TV store.
Caleb Williams, Drake Maye and Jayden Daniels will very likely be off the board by the time the Giants draft at #6 (I have a hard time seeing this team, which has made moves but still needs a bunch) packaging picks in a solid draft year).
I don't have an answer at this moment at quarterback, but still, with the WR talent available in the first round, I can't see the Giants losing if they drafted one of the top 3 talked about non-stop here lately.
If the Giants grab a QB in this draft, I hope it's Spencer Rattler. From the things I read and see, he COULD be available in the third round, but after the Giants take the best available OG/C/DB in the second, I wouldn't hate seeing them try to move back up into the second to get Rattler.
Imagine this first-three picks for NYG:
* At 6 the Giants take 6-3, 215-pound Rome Adunze
* At 47 the Giants draft OG Graham Barton (first guard drafted - maybe? I mean so many OTs up top in this draft).
* Then spit-balling, the Giants move to 58 and they give GB the 70th pick (moves them down 12 spots in the 3rd) and the 183rd pick (in the 6th) and draft Spencer Rattler.
There ya go! :)
I wouldn't touch Rattler. He is a head case and isn't that good. If I am taking a chance on a lower QB I take Joe Milton and see if Dabs can coach him up.
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is to mortgage your future draft capital for a QB with a team that isn't ready.
the whole point of a young QB is to have a cost controlled asset at the most important position.
if you have the premium QB but have no draft capital to put around him, you're dooming yourself.
in an ideal world, you stockpile assets so that you can complement your maturing QB with young assets/premium picks at WR, OL, DL, CB, etc.
TLDR: I hate the idea of trading a kings ransom to move up two spots to take the 3rd or 4th best QB in the draft.
Wow, a sane well thougth out and lucid opinion.... BBI listen up cause this team is not ready yet to put a potential QB4 in this offense.
Build the team, get the qb later
Were the Texans and Bengals ready?
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is to mortgage your future draft capital for a QB with a team that isn't ready.
the whole point of a young QB is to have a cost controlled asset at the most important position.
if you have the premium QB but have no draft capital to put around him, you're dooming yourself.
in an ideal world, you stockpile assets so that you can complement your maturing QB with young assets/premium picks at WR, OL, DL, CB, etc.
TLDR: I hate the idea of trading a kings ransom to move up two spots to take the 3rd or 4th best QB in the draft.
Wow, a sane well thougth out and lucid opinion.... BBI listen up cause this team is not ready yet to put a potential QB4 in this offense.
Build the team, get the qb later
Were the Texans and Bengals ready?
Add the 04 Giants to this. They had a QB 3 years removed from a super bowl appearance on the roster at the time.
Bad OL, why draft a QB?
You do it because 'special' at that position matters a lot more than anything else on the field.
I'd take Ratter at the bottom of the second or at #70. He reminds me of Baker Mayfield.
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they've got everything but the QB.
Now, how do they get the QB?
Yeah, but they did get to the SB with Purdy, and only lost because they got beaten by a future Hall of Famer. They also traded a ton to move up for Trey Lance, which was a total failure.
Only a HoF has beaten that HoFer in the big game. Fight fire with the fire. How many of the 58 championships have been won by a non-great QB ... Purdy isn't a great one either.
Here is a list of all the SB-winning QBs. Plenty of those who won it once were not great.
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Rattler being brought.
I wouldn't touch Rattler. He is a head case and isn't that good. If I am taking a chance on a lower QB I take Joe Milton and see if Dabs can coach him up.
Lmao this is my exact point regarding Rattler. He was a head case and ful of himself. He’s been in the spotlight since he’s 16. The fame went to his head. He was humbled lost his job to Caleb. Transferred and built up his reputation and was humbled. He has faced a ton of adversity and was named team captain 2 years in a row at SC. He is not the same kid he was. This is my point about overcoming obstacles and seeing the light. He is known as a gym rat and hard worker. If we are lucky enough to grab him this board will see why. He has a ton of college starts. He he has all the tools. You build a decent line grab Rome round 1 and you can have a legit offense with a cost controlled QB.
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Rattler being brought.
I wouldn't touch Rattler. He is a head case and isn't that good. If I am taking a chance on a lower QB I take Joe Milton and see if Dabs can coach him up.
Lmao this is my exact point regarding Rattler. He was a head case and ful of himself. He’s been in the spotlight since he’s 16. The fame went to his head. He was humbled lost his job to Caleb. Transferred and built up his reputation and was humbled. He has faced a ton of adversity and was named team captain 2 years in a row at SC. He is not the same kid he was. This is my point about overcoming obstacles and seeing the light. He is known as a gym rat and hard worker. If we are lucky enough to grab him this board will see why. He has a ton of college starts. He he has all the tools. You build a decent line grab Rome round 1 and you can have a legit offense with a cost controlled QB.
He plays an out of control style of football and doesn't have the mind to be a franchise qb imo.
Talented, but he hasn't been the same since Caleb took his job in Norman. Maybe the pressure of the Heisman wore on him. Could have been immaturity or a warning sign.
He did look better at SC, but he had moments where he couldn't throw the ball into the ocean. He looked good last year against Clemson and played a good half this year against Georgia.
I don't like his size and would not trust him without some serious rewiring...
Let’s be realistic. He was not better. He played with a much better line than what jones had. Pugh was a massive upgrade and changed the line dynamic. Plus the defense is the reason we won games outside of GB. Jones played with a guard playing tackle in Euzudu and Neal who was awful. Phillips and Pugh were massive upgrades. Mckethan Was benched as well. The line they put up infront of jones was disgraceful on an nfl field. I’m not a jones defender and I’d like to move on as well but let’s be realistic. It isn’t apples to apples.
Pugh was a "massive" upgrade? With the exception of his first game at LG he was absolutely dreadful.
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Let’s be realistic. He was not better. He played with a much better line than what jones had. Pugh was a massive upgrade and changed the line dynamic. Plus the defense is the reason we won games outside of GB. Jones played with a guard playing tackle in Euzudu and Neal who was awful. Phillips and Pugh were massive upgrades. Mckethan Was benched as well. The line they put up infront of jones was disgraceful on an nfl field. I’m not a jones defender and I’d like to move on as well but let’s be realistic. It isn’t apples to apples.
Pugh was a "massive" upgrade? With the exception of his first game at LG he was absolutely dreadful.
He was a massive upgrade at left tackle to euzudu. I think you don’t remember correctly and Phillips over neal was also a big upgrade. The line was much improved after Josh went down and Neal went out. That’s a fact. Mckethan lol come on dude it’s not debatable. The line was better.
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Anyone who wants Rattler hasn't seen him play enough. He stinks
Talented, but he hasn't been the same since Caleb took his job in Norman. Maybe the pressure of the Heisman wore on him. Could have been immaturity or a warning sign.
He did look better at SC, but he had moments where he couldn't throw the ball into the ocean. He looked good last year against Clemson and played a good half this year against Georgia.
I don't like his size and would not trust him without some serious rewiring...
His team at SC was dreadful. They also were highly penalized and talentless. He was scrambling a ton. He has all the tools. Mentally he’s a different kid. We’ll see but if he impressed with interviews etc. he’s worth the gamble round 3. I would do backflips if we landed him then.
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Anyone who wants Rattler hasn't seen him play enough. He stinks
Talented, but he hasn't been the same since Caleb took his job in Norman. Maybe the pressure of the Heisman wore on him. Could have been immaturity or a warning sign.
He did look better at SC, but he had moments where he couldn't throw the ball into the ocean. He looked good last year against Clemson and played a good half this year against Georgia.
I don't like his size and would not trust him without some serious rewiring...
His team at SC was dreadful. They also were highly penalized and talentless. He was scrambling a ton. He has all the tools. Mentally he’s a different kid. We’ll see but if he impressed with interviews etc. he’s worth the gamble round 3. I would do backflips if we landed him then.
An out of control style of play like his doesn't project too well to the NFL if you ask me, we will see. I'd much rather see CB, DT, WR, or RB in rd3 myself
I don't feel like he was an authority.
But he's certainly got an educated opinion. From his seat, he's privy to a lot more conversations (valid and other) on the subject.
lol Wasn't aware we needed to vet our long-time national sports talk hosts when posting sports threads here.
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they've got everything but the QB.
Now, how do they get the QB?
Yeah, but they did get to the SB with Purdy, and only lost because they got beaten by a future Hall of Famer. They also traded a ton to move up for Trey Lance, which was a total failure.
I'm not sure that I can be convinced that BBI would be satisfied with creating a team that has lost two super bowls in a 5 year window and has no clear path to a QB.
Now, how do they get the QB?
They can use a seventh rounder at QB and get to NFC Championships and Superbowls because they built a complete team with a lot of talent, instead of drafting high round QBs and counting on one plus player to save the franchise. One team MIGHT get lucky this year and draft the next HOF QB. One. Team. Mught. I support building a good situation for a rookie QB to come into, and am OK with signing lower cost vets at QB to get us there.
Those are awful quarterbacks. If that happens, at a minimum Daboll will be looking for a job after they only win 6 games.
Rinse and Repeat. Status quo at Jints Central.
Can't believe this many people still want Jones on the team. DJD (Daniel Jones Disciples).
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What kind of a NFL scout is Dan Patrick?
I don't feel like he was an authority.
But he's certainly got an educated opinion. From his seat, he's privy to a lot more conversations (valid and other) on the subject.
lol Wasn't aware we needed to vet our long-time national sports talk hosts when posting sports threads here.
Dan Patrick is a maroon. Good God man!
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they've got everything but the QB.
Now, how do they get the QB?
They can use a seventh rounder at QB and get to NFC Championships and Superbowls because they built a complete team with a lot of talent, instead of drafting high round QBs and counting on one plus player to save the franchise. One team MIGHT get lucky this year and draft the next HOF QB. One. Team. Mught. I support building a good situation for a rookie QB to come into, and am OK with signing lower cost vets at QB to get us there.
And how long do you think that’s going to take? And then what’s the plan to get the QB?
I always love when fans use the extreme outliers for their model. “Look at the 49ers! They don’t need a top QB!”. So essentially, all the Giants need to do is have enough drafts and hope and pray to hit on all of them until they have about 8 more Pro Bowl players and then they’ll be ready for a QB! There won’t be a path to getting that QB, but they’ll be ready! Of course, by the time they are ready many of these Pro Bowl players they’ve drafted will now be looking at huge second contracts and many will leave because the Giants can’t pay them all, But, hey maybe we can find another Tom Brady in the 6th round! That’s how the Patriots did it!
As The Iron Sheik would say, emphatically ... ehFOCKA YOU, Hulk Hogan!!! (and Optimus)
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they've got everything but the QB.
Now, how do they get the QB?
They can use a seventh rounder at QB and get to NFC Championships and Superbowls because they built a complete team with a lot of talent, instead of drafting high round QBs and counting on one plus player to save the franchise. One team MIGHT get lucky this year and draft the next HOF QB. One. Team. Mught. I support building a good situation for a rookie QB to come into, and am OK with signing lower cost vets at QB to get us there.
49ers could have two of those KC rings right now, if they had better QBs to put them over the top.
Get the right QB when the opportunity presents itself.
Given the injury update we got in another thread on Jones, it is seeming much more likely they take a QB. If this is the case, it boils down to what they think is the best overall package in the first 2 rounds:
1) Maye/McCarthy (whoever is available) and a WR in 2
2) Odunze/Nabors and Nix/Penix
I go with #2 is the QB available at 6 is McCarthy.
Given the injury update we got in another thread on Jones, it is seeming much more likely they take a QB. If this is the case, it boils down to what they think is the best overall package in the first 2 rounds:
1) Maye/McCarthy (whoever is available) and a WR in 2
2) Odunze/Nabors and Nix/Penix
I go with #2 is the QB available at 6 is McCarthy.
Problem is we don't know who might be available if we sit at 6, maybe none of the top 4. I think we go up to 3 and get JJM or Maye to get the guy we really believe in and not risk it. I believe Schoen feels this is the best course of action too. My money is on JJM.
This is correct. If Hebert had come out the year before we would have picked him with our #6 instead of Jones. I also debated whether we still should have picked Hebert even though we had chosen Jones the year before and he looked pretty good under Shurmur besides the clean-up-able fumbles. 20-20 hindsight says "Yes!"
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What kind of a NFL scout is Dan Patrick?
I don't feel like he was an authority.
But he's certainly got an educated opinion. From his seat, he's privy to a lot more conversations (valid and other) on the subject.
lol Wasn't aware we needed to vet our long-time national sports talk hosts when posting sports threads here.
You "don't feel like" he was an auhtority? Are you in Politics by chance? Or are you related to Dan or good friends with him? You can't see he is or isn't. Bu you reply to me that he doesn't "feel" like? LMAO.
"An educated oinion?" So, arent there other alternative "educated opinions?" Anyhow my question was "Why is Dan Patrick mentioned as an authority?" You couldn't even admit he was an authority instead you are trying to reply to me with a comepletely different context than the question I had asked. It doesn't fit your narrative so you want to avoid my direct question?
We can criticize coaches that are more privy to things than we are but we can't criticize a non-authority? And yet you are replying to me that you werent' aware that we can/should criticize a non-authroity talk show host? LOL.
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they've got everything but the QB.
Now, how do they get the QB?
Yeah, but they did get to the SB with Purdy, and only lost because they got beaten by a future Hall of Famer. They also traded a ton to move up for Trey Lance, which was a total failure.
I'm not sure that I can be convinced that BBI would be satisfied with creating a team that has lost two super bowls in a 5 year window and has no clear path to a QB.
Alogn with tow other NFC Championships, then they would be stupid, wouldn't they?
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they've got everything but the QB.
Now, how do they get the QB?
They can use a seventh rounder at QB and get to NFC Championships and Superbowls because they built a complete team with a lot of talent, instead of drafting high round QBs and counting on one plus player to save the franchise. One team MIGHT get lucky this year and draft the next HOF QB. One. Team. Mught. I support building a good situation for a rookie QB to come into, and am OK with signing lower cost vets at QB to get us there.
49ers could have two of those KC rings right now, if they had better QBs to put them over the top.
Get the right QB when the opportunity presents itself.
That's what I thing too, although I'm not nearly convinced the right QB will he the 4th ranked QB in this draft. What I hear most on BBI is people wanting to force a QB pick, which is how we got Jones
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they've got everything but the QB.
Now, how do they get the QB?
They can use a seventh rounder at QB and get to NFC Championships and Superbowls because they built a complete team with a lot of talent, instead of drafting high round QBs and counting on one plus player to save the franchise. One team MIGHT get lucky this year and draft the next HOF QB. One. Team. Mught. I support building a good situation for a rookie QB to come into, and am OK with signing lower cost vets at QB to get us there.
49ers could have two of those KC rings right now, if they had better QBs to put them over the top.
Get the right QB when the opportunity presents itself.
That's what I thing too, although I'm not nearly convinced the right QB will he the 4th ranked QB in this draft. What I hear most on BBI is people wanting to force a QB pick, which is how we got Jones
Also, even if we did "get a good QB, chances of him being as good as Mahomes is slim to none. Mahomes is a needle in a haystack. I think 49ers beat any other team in the AFC. Using Mahomes is a bad example
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they've got everything but the QB.
Now, how do they get the QB?
They can use a seventh rounder at QB and get to NFC Championships and Superbowls because they built a complete team with a lot of talent, instead of drafting high round QBs and counting on one plus player to save the franchise. One team MIGHT get lucky this year and draft the next HOF QB. One. Team. Mught. I support building a good situation for a rookie QB to come into, and am OK with signing lower cost vets at QB to get us there.
49ers could have two of those KC rings right now, if they had better QBs to put them over the top.
Get the right QB when the opportunity presents itself.
That's what I thing too, although I'm not nearly convinced the right QB will he the 4th ranked QB in this draft. What I hear most on BBI is people wanting to force a QB pick, which is how we got Jones
4th ranked QB by who? You do realize all these teams very likely have these QBs in different orders, right? It’s not out of the realm of possibility that whoever the 4th QB taken is could turn out to have the best career. Can we stop acting like every team uses the same random mock draft rankings and start realizing that the 4th QB taken could very well be number 1, 2 or 3 on the board of whoever takes him?
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they've got everything but the QB.
Now, how do they get the QB?
They can use a seventh rounder at QB and get to NFC Championships and Superbowls because they built a complete team with a lot of talent, instead of drafting high round QBs and counting on one plus player to save the franchise. One team MIGHT get lucky this year and draft the next HOF QB. One. Team. Mught. I support building a good situation for a rookie QB to come into, and am OK with signing lower cost vets at QB to get us there.
49ers could have two of those KC rings right now, if they had better QBs to put them over the top.
Get the right QB when the opportunity presents itself.
That's what I thing too, although I'm not nearly convinced the right QB will he the 4th ranked QB in this draft. What I hear most on BBI is people wanting to force a QB pick, which is how we got Jones
It could backfire in the end, but it literally can't get much worse than the state NYG currently resides in.
They shouldn't force the QB, they should pick one if the conviction and belief are there. But, I won't be shocked if 2019 repeats itself. Schoen and Davoli are on the hot seat and will won't be long before Jones puts them on the white hot.
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they've got everything but the QB.
Now, how do they get the QB?
They can use a seventh rounder at QB and get to NFC Championships and Superbowls because they built a complete team with a lot of talent, instead of drafting high round QBs and counting on one plus player to save the franchise. One team MIGHT get lucky this year and draft the next HOF QB. One. Team. Mught. I support building a good situation for a rookie QB to come into, and am OK with signing lower cost vets at QB to get us there.
49ers could have two of those KC rings right now, if they had better QBs to put them over the top.
Get the right QB when the opportunity presents itself.
That's what I thing too, although I'm not nearly convinced the right QB will he the 4th ranked QB in this draft. What I hear most on BBI is people wanting to force a QB pick, which is how we got Jones
4th ranked QB by who? You do realize all these teams very likely have these QBs in different orders, right? It’s not out of the realm of possibility that whoever the 4th QB taken is could turn out to have the best career. Can we stop acting like every team uses the same random mock draft rankings and start realizing that the 4th QB taken could very well be number 1, 2 or 3 on the board of whoever takes him?
Of course I do. He will be the 4th QB taken in this draft was my point. I'm not a scout, I have no idea which of these QBs will succeed, I have no access to Jones medical.
My point is that we shouldn't force a QB pick because fans don't like Jones. That's it.
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they've got everything but the QB.
Now, how do they get the QB?
They can use a seventh rounder at QB and get to NFC Championships and Superbowls because they built a complete team with a lot of talent, instead of drafting high round QBs and counting on one plus player to save the franchise. One team MIGHT get lucky this year and draft the next HOF QB. One. Team. Mught. I support building a good situation for a rookie QB to come into, and am OK with signing lower cost vets at QB to get us there.
49ers could have two of those KC rings right now, if they had better QBs to put them over the top.
Get the right QB when the opportunity presents itself.
That's what I thing too, although I'm not nearly convinced the right QB will he the 4th ranked QB in this draft. What I hear most on BBI is people wanting to force a QB pick, which is how we got Jones
4th ranked QB by who? You do realize all these teams very likely have these QBs in different orders, right? It’s not out of the realm of possibility that whoever the 4th QB taken is could turn out to have the best career. Can we stop acting like every team uses the same random mock draft rankings and start realizing that the 4th QB taken could very well be number 1, 2 or 3 on the board of whoever takes him?
Of course I do. He will be the 4th QB taken in this draft was my point. I'm not a scout, I have no idea which of these QBs will succeed, I have no access to Jones medical.
My point is that we shouldn't force a QB pick because fans don't like Jones. That's it.
How do you know whether it’s a “force” pick or not? Is this based on how YOU feel about a particular QB? If you don’t like Maye or McCarthy, it’s automatically a force pick? What if the Giants have Maye and McCarthy 1 and 2 on their board? That’s then not a force pick but it won’t stop fans that don’t like those guys from saying it is. That’s the point. If Schoen picks one, he obviously thinks he’s worth the pick. I highly doubt the team is sitting around saying “we need to just draft somebody, anybody!”.
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they've got everything but the QB.
Now, how do they get the QB?
They can use a seventh rounder at QB and get to NFC Championships and Superbowls because they built a complete team with a lot of talent, instead of drafting high round QBs and counting on one plus player to save the franchise. One team MIGHT get lucky this year and draft the next HOF QB. One. Team. Mught. I support building a good situation for a rookie QB to come into, and am OK with signing lower cost vets at QB to get us there.
49ers could have two of those KC rings right now, if they had better QBs to put them over the top.
Get the right QB when the opportunity presents itself.
That's what I thing too, although I'm not nearly convinced the right QB will he the 4th ranked QB in this draft. What I hear most on BBI is people wanting to force a QB pick, which is how we got Jones
This is ridiculous. "Most" people are not saying to force a QB pick. What you hear most people saying, is that if Schoen has a strong conviction on one of Maye, Daniels or McCarthy then he needs to make the move necessary to get that QB.
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they've got everything but the QB.
Now, how do they get the QB?
They can use a seventh rounder at QB and get to NFC Championships and Superbowls because they built a complete team with a lot of talent, instead of drafting high round QBs and counting on one plus player to save the franchise. One team MIGHT get lucky this year and draft the next HOF QB. One. Team. Mught. I support building a good situation for a rookie QB to come into, and am OK with signing lower cost vets at QB to get us there.
49ers could have two of those KC rings right now, if they had better QBs to put them over the top.
Get the right QB when the opportunity presents itself.
That's what I thing too, although I'm not nearly convinced the right QB will he the 4th ranked QB in this draft. What I hear most on BBI is people wanting to force a QB pick, which is how we got Jones
4th ranked QB by who? You do realize all these teams very likely have these QBs in different orders, right? It’s not out of the realm of possibility that whoever the 4th QB taken is could turn out to have the best career. Can we stop acting like every team uses the same random mock draft rankings and start realizing that the 4th QB taken could very well be number 1, 2 or 3 on the board of whoever takes him?
Of course I do. He will be the 4th QB taken in this draft was my point. I'm not a scout, I have no idea which of these QBs will succeed, I have no access to Jones medical.
My point is that we shouldn't force a QB pick because fans don't like Jones. That's it.
How do you know whether it’s a “force” pick or not? Is this based on how YOU feel about a particular QB? If you don’t like Maye or McCarthy, it’s automatically a force pick? What if the Giants have Maye and McCarthy 1 and 2 on their board? That’s then not a force pick but it won’t stop fans that don’t like those guys from saying it is. That’s the point. If Schoen picks one, he obviously thinks he’s worth the pick. I highly doubt the team is sitting around saying “we need to just draft somebody, anybody!”.
Nope. I dont have an opinion on any of them. I'm fine if they pick either of those guys. Forcing a QB pick imo is taking a QB who you have graded at 85 and passing on other players at premium positions that you have graded higher, particularly a good amount higher, like a 90.
What I'm saying is i would rather have a building block at a different position than an average QB. I'm going to root for whoever they pick because that's how I fan 😁 same reason I'm fine with keeping Jones and didn't burn my Barkley jersey
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they've got everything but the QB.
Now, how do they get the QB?
They can use a seventh rounder at QB and get to NFC Championships and Superbowls because they built a complete team with a lot of talent, instead of drafting high round QBs and counting on one plus player to save the franchise. One team MIGHT get lucky this year and draft the next HOF QB. One. Team. Mught. I support building a good situation for a rookie QB to come into, and am OK with signing lower cost vets at QB to get us there.
49ers could have two of those KC rings right now, if they had better QBs to put them over the top.
Get the right QB when the opportunity presents itself.
That's what I thing too, although I'm not nearly convinced the right QB will he the 4th ranked QB in this draft. What I hear most on BBI is people wanting to force a QB pick, which is how we got Jones
This is ridiculous. "Most" people are not saying to force a QB pick. What you hear most people saying, is that if Schoen has a strong conviction on one of Maye, Daniels or McCarthy then he needs to make the move necessary to get that QB.
If Shoen has a strong conviction on a QB I'm fine with taking one, it's not my job on the line.
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In comment 16440150 JonC said:
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they've got everything but the QB.
Now, how do they get the QB?
They can use a seventh rounder at QB and get to NFC Championships and Superbowls because they built a complete team with a lot of talent, instead of drafting high round QBs and counting on one plus player to save the franchise. One team MIGHT get lucky this year and draft the next HOF QB. One. Team. Mught. I support building a good situation for a rookie QB to come into, and am OK with signing lower cost vets at QB to get us there.
49ers could have two of those KC rings right now, if they had better QBs to put them over the top.
Get the right QB when the opportunity presents itself.
That's what I thing too, although I'm not nearly convinced the right QB will he the 4th ranked QB in this draft. What I hear most on BBI is people wanting to force a QB pick, which is how we got Jones
This is ridiculous. "Most" people are not saying to force a QB pick. What you hear most people saying, is that if Schoen has a strong conviction on one of Maye, Daniels or McCarthy then he needs to make the move necessary to get that QB.
Bullshit. There is people all over this site saying its QB or bust.
Suckes that they'll miss out on some awesome WR prospects, but that's how the cookie crumbles sometimes. A water-logged Jones, Lock, and DeVito is literally a tanking-level QB group.
Suckes that they'll miss out on some awesome WR prospects, but that's how the cookie crumbles sometimes. A water-logged Jones, Lock, and DeVito is literally a tanking-level QB group.
See? 🤣
An injured Jones, Lock, and DeVito is not serious QB group unless Schoen and Daboll have gotten a wink and a nod that it's ok to tank, and for who exactly in the 2025 class? Ewers?
I think you underestimate the danger Schoen is in here. If he passes on JJ, Nix, and Penix, and any one of them has a great rookie year while the Giants QBs flop, he should be gone no questions asked. Now, Mara may be lenient for public image sake, but there's no way Schoen should survive that failure.
Talk to me about your pre-draft rankings for Stroud and Lamar Jackson, then let's compare notes.
I dont care what order a player is picked in at QB. If he can play, no one will care. The only thing that matters is if they're picking a player they legitimately believe can win in the playoffs.
Suckes that they'll miss out on some awesome WR prospects, but that's how the cookie crumbles sometimes. A water-logged Jones, Lock, and DeVito is literally a tanking-level QB group.
I say "conviction" in regard to the #6 pick. Schoen can't force Nix or Penix at #6. In round 2 or later, I agree with you. If Schoen doesn't get one of the top 4, he does have to take a shot at someone later in the draft.
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Conviction is a luxury this front office doesn't have right now. The QB situation on this roster is terrible, especially given the rumors about Jones's injuries. Just upgrade the QB position. Pick your favorite of the tier 2 QBs and go get one of them, then coach them up.
Suckes that they'll miss out on some awesome WR prospects, but that's how the cookie crumbles sometimes. A water-logged Jones, Lock, and DeVito is literally a tanking-level QB group.
See? 🤣
So, this one poster supports your statement that "most" people want to force a QB. Gotcha.
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Conviction is a luxury this front office doesn't have right now. The QB situation on this roster is terrible, especially given the rumors about Jones's injuries. Just upgrade the QB position. Pick your favorite of the tier 2 QBs and go get one of them, then coach them up.
Suckes that they'll miss out on some awesome WR prospects, but that's how the cookie crumbles sometimes. A water-logged Jones, Lock, and DeVito is literally a tanking-level QB group.
I say "conviction" in regard to the #6 pick. Schoen can't force Nix or Penix at #6. In round 2 or later, I agree with you. If Schoen doesn't get one of the top 4, he does have to take a shot at someone later in the draft.
I forgot to add..but we don't know what Schoen thinks about Nix and Penix. It's possible he may have them right there with McCarthy. Doubtful but possible.
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Conviction is a luxury this front office doesn't have right now. The QB situation on this roster is terrible, especially given the rumors about Jones's injuries. Just upgrade the QB position. Pick your favorite of the tier 2 QBs and go get one of them, then coach them up.
Suckes that they'll miss out on some awesome WR prospects, but that's how the cookie crumbles sometimes. A water-logged Jones, Lock, and DeVito is literally a tanking-level QB group.
I say "conviction" in regard to the #6 pick. Schoen can't force Nix or Penix at #6. In round 2 or later, I agree with you. If Schoen doesn't get one of the top 4, he does have to take a shot at someone later in the draft.
Nix or Penix at six would definitely not be ideal from a value standpoint. Schoen can get creative and explore trade downs, but I have my doubts either of those guys are going to last past Denver and/or Oakland.
I think it's all moot anyway because I believe McCarthy will be available and the Giants like him best. Maybe the Chargers will be a tradeout risk with the Vikings, can't see AZ doing it.
Talk to me about your pre-draft rankings for Stroud and Lamar Jackson, then let's compare notes.
I dont care what order a player is picked in at QB. If he can play, no one will care. The only thing that matters is if they're picking a player they legitimately believe can win in the playoffs.
Exactly my point
Talk to me about your pre-draft rankings for Stroud and Lamar Jackson, then let's compare notes.
I dont care what order a player is picked in at QB. If he can play, no one will care. The only thing that matters is if they're picking a player they legitimately believe can win in the playoffs.
+1. I like Nix and Penix a lot too.