Was a Dan Patrick quote on his show this morning, as they were discussing the Fields situation in Chicago.
I don't think there's one way to go about it, but I won't be disappointed if the Giants don't draft a quarterback at #6.
On SNY this morning some chatter about JS possibly looking at adding more defensive strength, which is great, and which if that occurs, might lead me to believe the Giants are pinpointing offense.
Some have said Penix at #6, but how can anyone here favor the idea of bringing aboard a quarterback whose last four seasons have ended with injuries (ACL tear as a true freshman; following year dislocated SC joint in his non-throwing shoulder; re-tear of the ACL; next season, dislocated joint in throwing shoulder). That was 2018 to 2021. I don't need to remind you what year THIS is.
Another constantly yammered about is JJ McCarthy, who just a couple months ago was the SEVENTH quarterback in some ratings and the 99th-ranked player overall. Guy played in a run-first offense and would require an instant trip to the local TV store.
Caleb Williams, Drake Maye and Jayden Daniels will very likely be off the board by the time the Giants draft at #6 (I have a hard time seeing this team, which has made moves but still needs a bunch) packaging picks in a solid draft year).
I don't have an answer at this moment at quarterback, but still, with the WR talent available in the first round, I can't see the Giants losing if they drafted one of the top 3 talked about non-stop here lately.
If the Giants grab a QB in this draft, I hope it's Spencer Rattler. From the things I read and see, he COULD be available in the third round, but after the Giants take the best available OG/C/DB in the second, I wouldn't hate seeing them try to move back up into the second to get Rattler.
Imagine this first-three picks for NYG:
* At 6 the Giants take 6-3, 215-pound Rome Adunze
* At 47 the Giants draft OG Graham Barton (first guard drafted - maybe? I mean so many OTs up top in this draft).
* Then spit-balling, the Giants move to 58 and they give GB the 70th pick (moves them down 12 spots in the 3rd) and the 183rd pick (in the 6th) and draft Spencer Rattler.
There ya go! :)
Rattler stinks.
Now, how do they get the QB?
the whole point of a young QB is to have a cost controlled asset at the most important position.
if you have the premium QB but have no draft capital to put around him, you're dooming yourself.
in an ideal world, you stockpile assets so that you can complement your maturing QB with young assets/premium picks at WR, OL, DL, CB, etc.
TLDR: I hate the idea of trading a kings ransom to move up two spots to take the 3rd or 4th best QB in the draft.
Agreed, and this is an exceptional year for QBs. Of course, they won't all be franchise QBs, but this draft has more potential than any in a while. That's one part of Chris Simms QB breakdown I really agreed with. He said this is one of the best classes in a very long time. Surprisingly, he has a lot of issues with Maye and has him pegged at 6th a whole tier behind JJM, Pennix and Nix.
Also, I think our roster is young and developing. We were devastated with injuries this year with a QB disaster and Daboll still pulled out 6 wins. I don't see us picking higher than this for a while, gotta strike while the irons hot er while we suck this bad.
Late December I said day 2
Early February (after watching 24 games) I said Top 10. The league likes him more than fans (which is OK)
But you gotta keep watching / learning / removing initial bias to have any credibility. Work is never done.
Too many "but he was rated low eight weeks ago!" posters failing to follow the bolded statement
I agree Jones has to go.
But if we make some wild trade to get the 3rd or 4th best quarterback in the draft, we are highly likely to end up in Carolina's shoes this year.
Put differently: Given where this team is and the development schedule of most QBs (even if they are trending toward becoming really really good!), if we give away next year's first round pick, odds are we are giving up a Top 2-3 pick.
That doesn't even get into the fact that there are many cases where a team sucks, they get a QB and the entire conversation around that team changes (Bengals and Texans in just the past few years)
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We need a new era ASAP.
I agree Jones has to go.
But if we make some wild trade to get the 3rd or 4th best quarterback in the draft, we are highly likely to end up in Carolina's shoes this year.
Put differently: Given where this team is and the development schedule of most QBs (even if they are trending toward becoming really really good!), if we give away next year's first round pick, odds are we are giving up a Top 2-3 pick.
The third or fourth QB taken doesn't mean they're the third or fourth best 🙄
Rattler stinks.
+1. Rattler is absolutely awful. If he is the plan, God help us.
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We need a new era ASAP.
I agree Jones has to go.
But if we make some wild trade to get the 3rd or 4th best quarterback in the draft, we are highly likely to end up in Carolina's shoes this year.
Put differently: Given where this team is and the development schedule of most QBs (even if they are trending toward becoming really really good!), if we give away next year's first round pick, odds are we are giving up a Top 2-3 pick.
The Giants have the third fewest wins in the league over the past 10 years. They have only had a top 3 pick once in that time.
Late December I said day 2
Early February (after watching 24 games) I said Top 10. The league likes him more than fans (which is OK)
But you gotta keep watching / learning / removing initial bias to have any credibility. Work is never done.
Too many "but he was rated low eight weeks ago!" posters failing to follow the bolded statement
Stubbornness to the last part.
Daniels' athletic ability is exciting but his slender frame and arm strength is worrisome. And he's 24 later this year.
John Madden said "In the NFL if you're standing still you're actually moving backwards."
If you have the opportunity to take what you think is a QB that can lead your franchise for a decade, then you take that QB.
Jones stinks. Period. Why can't you build the team while you get your QB? The best time to build a team is when a QB is on his rookie contract.
the whole point of a young QB is to have a cost controlled asset at the most important position.
if you have the premium QB but have no draft capital to put around him, you're dooming yourself.
in an ideal world, you stockpile assets so that you can complement your maturing QB with young assets/premium picks at WR, OL, DL, CB, etc.
TLDR: I hate the idea of trading a kings ransom to move up two spots to take the 3rd or 4th best QB in the draft.
This is exactly why the wins over the Pats and Washington were so damaging.
Depending on trades, would look at secondary/edge/OL in round 2.
Turns out we drafted Andrew Thomas. Wins in a bad season aren't "damaging" - if we want to be the Jets we can start rooting for losses.
Rattler stinks.
Exactly
Turns out we drafted Andrew Thomas. Wins in a bad season aren't "damaging" - if we want to be the Jets we can start rooting for losses.
We are already the Jets.
You can’t build a really great sustainable defense anymore over multiple years in todays salary cap league and where seasons are getting longer and draft personnel values are all over place year to year.
Get the QB and if they hit even at a just above average level you have a chance.
Double down on bad QBs and it doesn’t matter how much skill position talent you added, they’ll be wasted and or look to leave for better production and chance to win.
A bad QB anchors a team in the wrong way and affects players around them even the divas looking for attention or pricy second contracts.
Yup. If they'd had some foresight and the courage to admit an error we'd have Justin Herbert at quarterback. Unforgivable stupidity.
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would drafting Chase Young have made us much worse these past few years? Shoulda drafted Herbert over either of them - he’s the guy Gettleman loved all along (reportedly).
Yup. If they'd had some foresight and the courage to admit an error we'd have Justin Herbert at quarterback. Unforgivable stupidity.
what error, jones?
NO TEAM IN THE NFL gives up after a year on a 6th overall pick. this is just more you spewing bullshit to try and harp on the jones sucks train. WE ALL AGREE, we need a new QB but aruging they should have "admitted an error" and took herbert the following year is a joke...
jones didnt even look bad as a rookie. imagine if we gave up on eli after a year?
jones didnt even look bad as a rookie. imagine if we gave up on eli after a year?
This is what I'm talking about in the Mara legacy thread. This could be John Mara himself talking.
The time to get a QB is NOW. 36 days to be exact.
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k2tampa, BBI had a collective freak out when we missed out on Chase Young because they had a few wins down the stretch in 2020.
Turns out we drafted Andrew Thomas. Wins in a bad season aren't "damaging" - if we want to be the Jets we can start rooting for losses.
We are already the Jets.
Yes, we are.
Lowest NFL winning % since 2017:
NY Jets 31.3%
NY Giants 32.6%
Carolina 36.5%
We know that the Giants loved Herbert in 2019, but he went back to school so they picked Jones. But you can bet the Giants had a higher grade on Herbert than they did Jones.
The Giants themselves almost certainly thought Herbert was a better player than Jones. So why didn't they try to improve at the games most important position?
Building a team in the NFL is hard. But trying to time it with such precision where you add the franchise QB after the team is set is beyond daft. It's the Land of Make Believe thinking...
As a few have said/suggested above, you do whatever it takes - as long as it takes - to find the right QB.
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would drafting Chase Young have made us much worse these past few years? Shoulda drafted Herbert over either of them - he’s the guy Gettleman loved all along (reportedly).
Yup. If they'd had some foresight and the courage to admit an error we'd have Justin Herbert at quarterback. Unforgivable stupidity.
what error, jones?
NO TEAM IN THE NFL gives up after a year on a 6th overall pick. this is just more you spewing bullshit to try and harp on the jones sucks train. WE ALL AGREE, we need a new QB but aruging they should have "admitted an error" and took herbert the following year is a joke...
jones didnt even look bad as a rookie. imagine if we gave up on eli after a year?
No team in the NFL, except Arizona
Now, how do they get the QB?
Yeah, but they did get to the SB with Purdy, and only lost because they got beaten by a future Hall of Famer. They also traded a ton to move up for Trey Lance, which was a total failure.
We know that the Giants loved Herbert in 2019, but he went back to school so they picked Jones. But you can bet the Giants had a higher grade on Herbert than they did Jones.
The Giants themselves almost certainly thought Herbert was a better player than Jones. So why didn't they try to improve at the games most important position?
so you think taking a QB at 6 and then the following year take ANOTHER qb in top 10 when the QB you took previous year hasnt looked bad and seems to have it between the ears? Stop....
and for those comparing Rosen, it was a new coach and they had #1 overall pick where the coach legit coached the kid in college. its not apples to apples
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they've got everything but the QB.
Now, how do they get the QB?
Yeah, but they did get to the SB with Purdy, and only lost because they got beaten by a future Hall of Famer. They also traded a ton to move up for Trey Lance, which was a total failure.
And then they moved off of Lance as soon as they knew he wasn't the guy. And are trying to hold a high performing roster together to get over the finish line but may not make it with a Purdy.
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We need a new era ASAP.
So, you believe a rookie qb, playing behind the Giants oline, will be better than Jones?
10000% yes
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they've got everything but the QB.
Now, how do they get the QB?
Yeah, but they did get to the SB with Purdy, and only lost because they got beaten by a future Hall of Famer. They also traded a ton to move up for Trey Lance, which was a total failure.
Only a HoF has beaten that HoFer in the big game. Fight fire with the fire. How many of the 58 championships have been won by a non-great QB ... Purdy isn't a great one either.
Some of you are going to be surprised.
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We need a new era ASAP.
So, you believe a rookie qb, playing behind the Giants oline, will be better than Jones?
He could be better. Why do you think Jones is our ceiling at QB? No one in this draft or a near one could possibly play better?
Rattler stinks.
Can you expand on that? You wouldn’t take Rattler round 3?