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Rumors: Doubts Daniel Jones may be able to pass physical.

GoDeep13 : 3/21/2024 11:04 am
There are a lot of things I want to post but I’m obligated to wait til the week of the draft. One thing that is big is there are reportedly a handful of people in the organization that doubt jones will be able to pass a physical. Apparently he hasn’t recovered as expected from the ACL and they here has been a noticeable reduction of motion in his throwing arm.

Giants were willing to run it back with Jones but fear that his injuries in ‘23 have made him too much of a liability going forward as much as they like the man. They cannot, in good faith, rely on him going into the ‘24 season. Drew lock was signed to be the potential starter in the initial weeks when Jones’s recovery seemed to suffer a setback (Thus the explanation that Jones is still the presumptive starter). However further reports from medical doctors are leading the Giants to full pivot off Jones. It’s no longer about whether he is good enough, it’s simply come down to “will he hold up” and the Giants have been told that one more injury to the kneck will lead to retirement from Jones.

Finally. It was explained to me like this.

“Remember John McCain?”
Me: “The Governor?”
“yes. Remember he couldn’t lift his arms above his head?”
Me: “Kinda”
“Daniel Jones is one hit away”
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/21/2024 11:06 am : link
‘…as much as they like the man.’
Wasn't good enough  
The Dude : 3/21/2024 11:06 am : link
and now far too injured. Horrible.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/21/2024 11:06 am : link
& thanks for the info. Keep it coming.
Thank you GoDeep13  
Jay on the Island : 3/21/2024 11:08 am : link
You are one of the few legit insiders here and we appreciate everything you share.
Thank you for the report!  
Chris684 : 3/21/2024 11:08 am : link
I hope the best for Jones’s personal health but this is not surprising at all. The man has suffered not 1, but 2 neck injuries. I have a bridge to sell you if you think that’s going to work out for an NFL player. Then you get to the knee injury.

The Giants want to go big at QB here. I know it.
Sounds like we're talking medical retirement territory  
Lambuth_Special : 3/21/2024 11:08 am : link
Jones would fight that to the last inch, but that's a pretty concerning assessment, and an indication that the Giants might have trouble avoiding that injury guarantee.
Thanks Go Deep  
Matt in SGS : 3/21/2024 11:08 am : link
This has always been the underlying concern regardless of where anyone stands. The Giants are very conservative around neck injuries, always has been, which is a plus for how they look to treat players in being able to live their lives. They stopped the Al Wilson trade over it. Andy Headen and Antonio Pierce's careers ended due to neck injuries.

All this diligence on QBs isn't smoke.
Damn  
BigBlueShock : 3/21/2024 11:09 am : link
No matter what anyone’s thoughts are regarding his play at QB, this is some scary news for Jones if true and I wish him the best. I’m more than ready to move on from him but this is real life and wish him the best
The dagger  
section125 : 3/21/2024 11:09 am : link
gets deeper... it could be a blessing.
Thanks.  
AcidTest : 3/21/2024 11:09 am : link
The Giants need to find another QB.
Most of this is no surprise, except...  
Matt M. : 3/21/2024 11:10 am : link
The explanation provided about one hit away. McCain wasn't like that from a neck injury. There are zero similarities. It's a really poor example.
RE: Damn  
AcidTest : 3/21/2024 11:10 am : link
In comment 16441286 BigBlueShock said:
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No matter what anyone’s thoughts are regarding his play at QB, this is some scary news for Jones if true and I wish him the best. I’m more than ready to move on from him but this is real life and wish him the best


+1.
Daniel Jones criticicism aside  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/21/2024 11:10 am : link
that really sucks for the young man.

Matt M.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/21/2024 11:11 am : link
Wasn’t that Dole too?
RE: Daniel Jones criticicism aside  
Jay on the Island : 3/21/2024 11:11 am : link
In comment 16441294 Eric from BBI said:
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that really sucks for the young man.

At least he got paid. Also he should have a career in coaching in the future.
RE: RE: Damn  
Gap92 : 3/21/2024 11:12 am : link
In comment 16441293 AcidTest said:
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In comment 16441286 BigBlueShock said:


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No matter what anyone’s thoughts are regarding his play at QB, this is some scary news for Jones if true and I wish him the best. I’m more than ready to move on from him but this is real life and wish him the best



+1.


+2
Eric’s thread to keep up traffic on a slow Thursday  
Jaenyg : 3/21/2024 11:14 am : link
😊
The offensive line  
antdog24 : 3/21/2024 11:14 am : link
strikes again. Ruined this kids career just like it ruined the end of Eli's.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/21/2024 11:14 am : link
If true, I would recommend Jones hang it up. He’s set for life financially and no sense in risking his long term health.
I would think it's a lock  
djm : 3/21/2024 11:14 am : link
a guy recovering from ACL surgery wouldn't pass a physical 3-4 months later?
If this is true  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/21/2024 11:15 am : link
the Giants are in a precarious spot. QBs will go 1-2-3 with a possible trade up at 4 or 5.
RE: …  
logman : 3/21/2024 11:16 am : link
In comment 16441308 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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If true, I would recommend Jones hang it up. He’s set for life financially and no sense in risking his long term health.


This.

Go co-host with Kay
if his neck is bad  
djm : 3/21/2024 11:16 am : link
he's done here. He's probably done anywhere. I guess we will know for sure post draft but it doesn't sound good.
Is there any possibility of an injury settlement?  
KingBlue : 3/21/2024 11:16 am : link
What would that look like? Is Daniel Jones amenable to walking away from his guaranteed $ and potentially retiring for health sake? Is this outcome best for the Giants and Daniel Jones? So many questions.

RE: Eric’s thread to keep up traffic on a slow Thursday  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/21/2024 11:16 am : link
In comment 16441306 Jaenyg said:
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😊



If I wanted to do that, all i would have to do is start a thread with the title, "Wow! You won't believe what is about to go down!"
I don't think  
Mike from SI : 3/21/2024 11:16 am : link
John McCain was governor so therefore THIS ENTIRE POST is false. (Kidding; thanks for the info.)
RE: RE: Eric’s thread to keep up traffic on a slow Thursday  
Jaenyg : 3/21/2024 11:18 am : link
In comment 16441316 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16441306 Jaenyg said:


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😊




If I wanted to do that, all i would have to do is start a thread with the title, "Wow! You won't believe what is about to go down!"


lol, I never said you orchestrated it 😉
Sounds like he should be mulling retirement  
j_rud : 3/21/2024 11:18 am : link
Hope he's able to avoid anything lifelong/debilitating. I'm ready to move on, it's over, but I do like the guy.
Something was up  
Sammo85 : 3/21/2024 11:19 am : link
with his arm strength, accuracy and mechanics in the LV game.

It wasn't just rust. His power/body torque and throwing motion looked really weird before the ACL went.
Just watch the hit  
Chris684 : 3/21/2024 11:19 am : link
and the way he comes off the field, and remember this is neck injury number 2.
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Appreciate the info  
Sean : 3/21/2024 11:19 am : link
I wonder if this is part of rationalizing moving off him and falling back on the injuries? I'd prefer they just own the mistake and move on without the mental gymnastics.

As for his neck, I feel for him. Never like seeing that, but he's made generational wealth.
RE: Matt M.  
Greg from LI : 3/21/2024 11:19 am : link
In comment 16441297 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Wasn’t that Dole too?


Dole had a spinal injury from a shellburst which left him with little use of one arm.
sucks for jones  
BleedBlue : 3/21/2024 11:19 am : link
"There are a lot of things I want to post but I’m obligated to wait til the week of the draft"


I am legit on edge of seat... what else do you know?!?! haha
A noticeable reduction of motion in his throwing arm?  
ThomasG : 3/21/2024 11:20 am : link
From the neck injuries?

Remind me, is that what shelved him for a few games before the ACL?
And if Jones can’t play this year  
Breeze_94 : 3/21/2024 11:20 am : link
That’s fine. But I am still not mortgaging my future to move up for any QB besides Williams and Maye.

I’ll take Nabers, play Lock, and pick Sanders or Beck next year. Both guys are better than McCarthy..
Greg.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/21/2024 11:21 am : link
Thanks.
If this were true  
bigblueny : 3/21/2024 11:21 am : link
I would lean more towards the QB crowd.

I don't believe it's true though. Sounds hyperbolic.
didn't  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/21/2024 11:22 am : link
someone else post recently that he had a range of motion issue with the neck last year? Or am I imagining things?
the neck part is confusing to me - he was cleared to play in Vegas  
Eric on Li : 3/21/2024 11:22 am : link
which was 5 months ago. what happened to his neck between now and then that he can no longer lift his arms? the first play of that game he went deep to hyatt.

being 5 months post-op and not being able to pass a physical would seem obvious no? kyler didnt get cleared to return to practice until about 8 months.

not doubting godeep or the reality that jones has been injured basically every year of his career except 2022, but some of this neck stuff is reminiscent of 2 years ago when people got spooked that his career was over even though they said all offseason he'd be ready for camp (which he was). in-season people said the same stuff even though chao and others (correctly as it turned out) said it as an unrelated neck injury to his previous one.

i think there are obviously legitimate concerns about his ability to stay healthy going forward but also some hyperbole about the neck that seems to not align with anything that's been credibly reported.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/21/2024 11:23 am : link
How is it ‘hyperbolic’? Dude has had multiple neck injuries.
He won't pass a physical after an ACL?  
Darwinian : 3/21/2024 11:23 am : link
This honestly makes no sense. Every player in NFL history comes back from an ACL. I understand the neck is a lingering issue, and just awful for Jones, but he was cleared to play after the 2nd neck injury. He didn't sustain a 3rd neck injury.

So as regards the injury clause, Jones passing the physical is all about the ACL. Now I understand that might take several more months, and possibly into the regular season, players heal from ACLs at different time frames, but if Jones doesn't at least pass the physical coming off this ACL, then this is an historically bad contract and an historically bad and fragile player to have bet on.
McCain was a senator  
Milton : 3/21/2024 11:23 am : link
Not a governor.
RE: …  
KDavies : 3/21/2024 11:24 am : link
In comment 16441273 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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‘…as much as they like the man.’


Please, tell me on the doll where the Giants liking him has hurt you...
Shades of David Wilson...  
CT Charlie : 3/21/2024 11:24 am : link
... I hope he's well and enjoying life. What a talent, and what a rocket of a career for us.
I will say this much  
Greg from LI : 3/21/2024 11:24 am : link
I'm dealing with nerve issues (pain and numbness) in my left hand stemming from a herniated disk in my neck. It's no fun. I'm not a fan of his play but I hate that he's having to go through this.
RE: didn't  
Jay on the Island : 3/21/2024 11:24 am : link
In comment 16441343 Eric from BBI said:
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someone else post recently that he had a range of motion issue with the neck last year? Or am I imagining things?

Yes someone did post that
RE: didn't  
BigBlueShock : 3/21/2024 11:24 am : link
In comment 16441343 Eric from BBI said:
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someone else post recently that he had a range of motion issue with the neck last year? Or am I imagining things?

I think someone posted something about Jones’ throwing motion being different when he returned against the Raiders
RE: Daniel Jones criticicism aside  
cosmicj : 3/21/2024 11:25 am : link
In comment 16441294 Eric from BBI said:
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that really sucks for the young man.


+1. I am anti-Jones but I never, ever wanted to hear something about him physically like this. Wishing him the best.
RE: didn't  
Milton : 3/21/2024 11:25 am : link
In comment 16441343 Eric from BBI said:
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someone else post recently that he had a range of motion issue with the neck last year? Or am I imagining things?
I remember it, too, but can't recall who it was.
Waiting for Jack Stroud to arrive  
Jay on the Island : 3/21/2024 11:25 am : link
to tell us that Jones should still be the starter this season.
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