There are a lot of things I want to post but I’m obligated to wait til the week of the draft. One thing that is big is there are reportedly a handful of people in the organization that doubt jones will be able to pass a physical. Apparently he hasn’t recovered as expected from the ACL and they here has been a noticeable reduction of motion in his throwing arm.
Giants were willing to run it back with Jones but fear that his injuries in ‘23 have made him too much of a liability going forward as much as they like the man. They cannot, in good faith, rely on him going into the ‘24 season. Drew lock was signed to be the potential starter in the initial weeks when Jones’s recovery seemed to suffer a setback (Thus the explanation that Jones is still the presumptive starter). However further reports from medical doctors are leading the Giants to full pivot off Jones. It’s no longer about whether he is good enough, it’s simply come down to “will he hold up” and the Giants have been told that one more injury to the kneck will lead to retirement from Jones.
Finally. It was explained to me like this.
“Remember John McCain?”
Me: “The Governor?”
“yes. Remember he couldn’t lift his arms above his head?”
Me: “Kinda”
“Daniel Jones is one hit away”
On the flip side, didn't the Giants allow Josh Ezeudu play with a neck injury in 2022 that got worse and landed him on IR?
I’ll take Nabers, play Lock, and pick Sanders or Beck next year. Both guys are better than McCarthy..
It's not mortgaging the future to trade up and get a QB. It's betting on the future. The Giants have no future without a viable QB on the roster.
Last year was one of the worst beatings I've ever seen a QB take.
I will go Colonel Mustard in the Ballroom with Lead Pipe.
Yes, Bisignano mentioned it on Giants Insider. His throwing motion changed after he came back, and he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
It's a fairly serious injury/condition. I've been told that I can live my life exactly like I used to, but I'm definitely hesitant to do things like go on roller coasters, etc. If I were an NFL caliber player (lol), I'd definitely risk it for my one shot of glory, but there certainly is a risk for things to get worse.
I hope DJ is ok first and foremost.
And it goes without saying that this awful for Daniel Jones the person.
Interesting point. Maybe he shouldn't have been cleared to play for the Vegas game...?
So as regards the injury clause, Jones passing the physical is all about the ACL. Now I understand that might take several more months, and possibly into the regular season, players heal from ACLs at different time frames, but if Jones doesn't at least pass the physical coming off this ACL, then this is an historically bad contract and an historically bad and fragile player to have bet on.
There's plenty of other ones to voice opinions on his performance.
This news is expected given his injuries. I couldn't imagine them being comfortable with the QB room as is.
So as regards the injury clause, Jones passing the physical is all about the ACL. Now I understand that might take several more months, and possibly into the regular season, players heal from ACLs at different time frames, but if Jones doesn't at least pass the physical coming off this ACL, then this is an historically bad contract and an historically bad and fragile player to have bet on.
And it goes without saying that this awful for Daniel Jones the person.
If Jones retires, that would be a 23M gift to the Giants.
if he got hurt to a degree he cannot play football, he has every right to collect that 23M injury guarantee on 2025.
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Wasn’t that Dole too?
Dole had a spinal injury from a shellburst which left him with little use of one arm.
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how does that affect 25 cap?
And it goes without saying that this awful for Daniel Jones the person.
If Jones retires, that would be a 23M gift to the Giants.
if he got hurt to a degree he cannot play football, he has every right to collect that 23M injury guarantee on 2025.
^^ Why on earth would he not collect that 23M guarantee? Thats why you have agents who put that in. For this very situation. DJ retiring without getting that is a loooooongshot.
The fact he isn't physically healing as quickly as he should only confirms this thinking.
Either the Giants are planting the seeds for why they go all in with a trade up to draft a QB or this is good timing.....
Giants are in a really tough spot if this is true though. There are five teams chasing a top QB and only 4 of them available. Someone is going to get left out in the cold and it very well could be the Giants if the Vikings are truly willing to do whatever it takes to move up. What a mess.
I don't meant to be crass, but from a Giants perspective, this is pretty awful too, as it would trigger the injury guarantee. While we need to move off of Jones for many reasons, doing so because he can't pass a physical is about as awful a situation as it gets for them. Jones would have no incentive to retire now, and could just stay on the team injured through March next year to secure the guarantee (which is very much his right). Would mean the Giants paid over 100 million in cap space for a 1-5 start.
Yikes all around on this
Very few people actually know what Jones neck issue was. The people who do know, almost certainly aren’t sharing it…
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That’s fine. But I am still not mortgaging my future to move up for any QB besides Williams and Maye.
I’ll take Nabers, play Lock, and pick Sanders or Beck next year. Both guys are better than McCarthy..
It's not mortgaging the future to trade up and get a QB. It's betting on the future. The Giants have no future without a viable QB on the roster.
I wouldn't be surprised if JJM is the player us and the Vikings are trying to trade up for..
Seconded. Only thing I want to question is why they let Jones play after the neck. The ACL is what knocked him out for the year. If the ACL saved Jones from himself that's a little scary. That said it appears the Giants ran extensive tests on the neck injury (2023) :
Daboll knew all this, which is why he expressed confidence that Jones will be fine in advance of hearing about what an MRI revealed.
So they ran xrays and I am sure they did the MRI and it came back clean. What changed. MAybe nothing. Maybe he took yet another hit before the ACL...who knows.
I hope the guy is ok, but I'm also thinking the Giants want an injury excuse to take some of the egg off their faces (it doesn't).
Thanks, GoDeep13. Always appreciated. I also feel bad for DJ, he seems like a great guy and teammate. I hope he is smart and realizes life is bigger than football. He will want to raise his kids without a struggle.
I’ll take Nabers, play Lock, and pick Sanders or Beck next year. Both guys are better than McCarthy..
1. Getting the QB is the MOST important part of that future. Without one, the future sucks
2. What gives you the impression that the Giants will be remotely close to being able to get one of those two guys ne t year? Are you assuming the Giants will be the only team looking for a QB in the next draft?
Also don't tell me you got three and only give me one!
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No, a bidding war still isn't very smart.
Some level of an overpay is okay if your evaluations clearly warrant it just to get somebody ahead of you off the dime and trade.
But a bidding war on top of that is just bad business.
I hope the guy is ok, but I'm also thinking the Giants want an injury excuse to take some of the egg off their faces (it doesn't).
It doesn't, but it is telling, and news, that it seems like they're interested in a get out of jail free card. Of course, it would be fireable not to be interested, but that GoDeep is being made aware of these "concerns" says something.
The ankle injury in 20', the concussion in 21', - both times Jones returned early and looked out of whack. I have no doubt everything looked good on paper before the Vegas game, and they literally had no other QB options outside of DeVito, so they went with it.
The Giants should not continue these bad habits in the future.
I hope the guy is ok, but I'm also thinking the Giants want an injury excuse to take some of the egg off their faces (it doesn't).
What if this is Schoen's way of convincing Mara? Not a bad tactic?
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Now I see why Schoen might be willing to best any offer the Vikings make. Normally a bidding war isn't a good idea, but you have to strike if you have conviction in a quarterback and you likely won't be within striking distance for a while.
No, a bidding war still isn't very smart.
Some level of an overpay is okay if your evaluations clearly warrant it just to get somebody ahead of you off the dime and trade.
But a bidding war on top of that is just bad business.
True, a bidding war has been my big fear. Perhaps as we've heard here the Patriots don't want to trade down too far which could enable Schoen to maneuver around a bidding war in trading up with the Vikings. If the Pats simply don't want to move down too many spots, then the Vikings can't do much about that and it gives Schoen some nice leverage to avoid a bidding war and get this done.
I hope the guy is ok, but I'm also thinking the Giants want an injury excuse to take some of the egg off their faces (it doesn't).
I'm sure there's a very legitimate reason why the full scope of *both* his neck injuries have never been made public.
Yep, but this is the best thing for both parties. Not worth the risk to either side.
Was hoping you get another year with a decent line and a coach who learned from his brutal mistakes last year.
Agreed. Medicine is an inexact science. Sometimes, the best evidence at any given time is not enough to make the right decision or diagnosis or assessment of prognosis, even for highly skilled professionals.
Either way, if true I am glad Jones got paid and hope he retires as healthy as possible and lives a normal life.
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That’s fine. But I am still not mortgaging my future to move up for any QB besides Williams and Maye.
I’ll take Nabers, play Lock, and pick Sanders or Beck next year. Both guys are better than McCarthy..
It's not mortgaging the future to trade up and get a QB. It's betting on the future. The Giants have no future without a viable QB on the roster.
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Then, being "one hit away".
The rumors always include that disclaimer. It would be dumb for the Giants to do otherwise.
His arm still worked in his last action. It may have shown signs of limited ability, but the extended rest should help. last known evidence is that it worked.
If they want to, they'll clear him from the ACL, and then do what they want to cut him, or keep him.
Was hoping you get another year with a decent line and a coach who learned from his brutal mistakes last year.
I'm reminded of what Kurt Angle said a few months ago on a podcast about how the repeated neck trauma in wrestling (both amateur and pro) has affected his quality of life now.
As far as being cleared and now the injury "re-emerging", with the ACL injury we don't really know how his neck would feel after weeks of playing again.
Basically symptoms subsided enough (and nothing on imaging) to be cleared but he was taken out of stressing it because of the knee. Now as he ramps back up symptoms have returned
Either way, if true I am glad Jones got paid and hope he retires as healthy as possible and lives a normal life.
Cmon, the NFL knows we are highly interested in a QB. This scoop does nothing...