There are a lot of things I want to post but I’m obligated to wait til the week of the draft. One thing that is big is there are reportedly a handful of people in the organization that doubt jones will be able to pass a physical. Apparently he hasn’t recovered as expected from the ACL and they here has been a noticeable reduction of motion in his throwing arm.
Giants were willing to run it back with Jones but fear that his injuries in ‘23 have made him too much of a liability going forward as much as they like the man. They cannot, in good faith, rely on him going into the ‘24 season. Drew lock was signed to be the potential starter in the initial weeks when Jones’s recovery seemed to suffer a setback (Thus the explanation that Jones is still the presumptive starter). However further reports from medical doctors are leading the Giants to full pivot off Jones. It’s no longer about whether he is good enough, it’s simply come down to “will he hold up” and the Giants have been told that one more injury to the kneck will lead to retirement from Jones.
Finally. It was explained to me like this.
“Remember John McCain?”
Me: “The Governor?”
“yes. Remember he couldn’t lift his arms above his head?”
Me: “Kinda”
“Daniel Jones is one hit away”
Either way, if true I am glad Jones got paid and hope he retires as healthy as possible and lives a normal life.
This certainly adds important color to the situation. Would you rather not know this?
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In comment 16441336 Breeze_94 said:
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That’s fine. But I am still not mortgaging my future to move up for any QB besides Williams and Maye.
I’ll take Nabers, play Lock, and pick Sanders or Beck next year. Both guys are better than McCarthy..
It's not mortgaging the future to trade up and get a QB. It's betting on the future. The Giants have no future without a viable QB on the roster.
Do you think a rookie qb playing behind this line is viable? What are your expectations from a rookie qb?
Jack, you seem like a nice guy. I appreciate your support for DJ.
1. Lock would start
2. The line has been fortified with 4 FA signings, Runyan and Eluminor look to be starters.
3. The draft could bring more OL and most likley our new QB of the future. You may want to start to accept this.
That being said- it IS possible that someone with two major neck injuries suffers a lingering problem that wouldn't necessarily need a third injury to exacerbate. It could just be a worsening situation involving range of motion, strength and pain.
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But the Giants have been doing a great job keeping their plans secret if this is true. Your source is a dick for leaking this news.
Either way, if true I am glad Jones got paid and hope he retires as healthy as possible and lives a normal life.
This certainly adds important color to the situation. Would you rather not know this?
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But the Giants have been doing a great job keeping their plans secret if this is true. Your source is a dick for leaking this news.
Either way, if true I am glad Jones got paid and hope he retires as healthy as possible and lives a normal life.
Cmon, the NFL knows we are highly interested in a QB. This scoop does nothing...
Exactly, nearly every mock draft since January usually mentions that the Giants could potentially take a QB at 6 or trade up for one. Nothing posted here is some sudden earth shattering news that would impair the Giants draft plans as they relate to other teams strategy.
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In comment 16441525 Andy in Halifax said:
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But the Giants have been doing a great job keeping their plans secret if this is true. Your source is a dick for leaking this news.
Either way, if true I am glad Jones got paid and hope he retires as healthy as possible and lives a normal life.
This certainly adds important color to the situation. Would you rather not know this?
I'd rather us be good again. If that means telling the world DJ is our starter and then plucking a QB at 6 then so be it. My desire to know what's up is trumped by my desire for us to win again.
I agree, but we aren't surprising anyone with this news. Papa Mara's schill himself wrote an article about this recently even.
This is hearsay but I am told that his arm injury was an impingement that it has resolved itself. Jones had limited range of motion due to the neck injury. He tried to play threw it.
The knee is responding to treatment. If anything Jones had to be restrained because he was pushing himself too hard. There was no timetable discussed, but Jones is preparing for the season.
This is hearsay but I am told that his arm injury was an impingement that it has resolved itself. Jones had limited range of motion due to the neck injury. He tried to play threw it.
The knee is responding to treatment. If anything Jones had to be restrained because he was pushing himself too hard. There was no timetable discussed, but Jones is preparing for the season.
This sounds right, but it seems clear the Giants are done with DJ and the excuse/reason is due to injury concerns. At least that's hoe Schoen sold it to Mara.
This is hearsay but I am told that his arm injury was an impingement that it has resolved itself. Jones had limited range of motion due to the neck injury. He tried to play threw it.
The knee is responding to treatment. If anything Jones had to be restrained because he was pushing himself too hard. There was no timetable discussed, but Jones is preparing for the season.
Makes sense to me. From what I've heard Jones is a gym rat.
Screams out that he never would have played in LV if Tyrod didn't get hurt.
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That’s fine. But I am still not mortgaging my future to move up for any QB besides Williams and Maye.
I’ll take Nabers, play Lock, and pick Sanders or Beck next year. Both guys are better than McCarthy..
1. Getting the QB is the MOST important part of that future. Without one, the future sucks
2. What gives you the impression that the Giants will be remotely close to being able to get one of those two guys ne t year? Are you assuming the Giants will be the only team looking for a QB in the next draft?
I don’t think you understand my post. Yes, getting a QB is important - hence why I mentioned Williams/Maye.
But the Giants are not getting either guy or Daniels. This fan base needs to come to terms with that. It is my opinion (and through various reports over the last week) that there is nothing they can offer (within reason) to get those top 3 teams to move off their spot.
So now the entire fan base has talked themselves into McCarthy as a guy who they should not only draft, but trade next years 1st to move up for. It would be a colossal mistake.
As for the Beck/Sanders statement - they will certainly have a better chance at either of those guys. Especially considering how awful Jones and Lock are (according to everyone around here)
“Remember John McCain?”
GD13: “The Governor?”
Me: "Governor"?
Boon: "Forget it, he's rolling"
“yes. Remember he couldn’t lift his arms above his head?”
GD13: “Kinda”
Me: "wasn't that from a plane crash or being tortured in Vietnam?"
“Daniel Jones is one hit away”
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In comment 16441336 Breeze_94 said:
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That’s fine. But I am still not mortgaging my future to move up for any QB besides Williams and Maye.
I’ll take Nabers, play Lock, and pick Sanders or Beck next year. Both guys are better than McCarthy..
1. Getting the QB is the MOST important part of that future. Without one, the future sucks
2. What gives you the impression that the Giants will be remotely close to being able to get one of those two guys ne t year? Are you assuming the Giants will be the only team looking for a QB in the next draft?
I don’t think you understand my post. Yes, getting a QB is important - hence why I mentioned Williams/Maye.
But the Giants are not getting either guy or Daniels. This fan base needs to come to terms with that. It is my opinion (and through various reports over the last week) that there is nothing they can offer (within reason) to get those top 3 teams to move off their spot.
So now the entire fan base has talked themselves into McCarthy as a guy who they should not only draft, but trade next years 1st to move up for. It would be a colossal mistake.
As for the Beck/Sanders statement - they will certainly have a better chance at either of those guys. Especially considering how awful Jones and Lock are (according to everyone around here)
If the Patriots really want to stay within the top 6 while still trading down I don't think the 2025 1st is necessary in a trade up. We won 6 games with Devito and Tyrod Taylor while having a very tough schedule, it easily could have been 9 all while the o line was devastated with myriad injuries. This year with improved line play and pass rush along with an easier schedule I don't see us being within reach of any promising qb prospects.
Jones would be costing himself a potential 23M if he just retires.
Unless something got worst between the time of Wilson's interview and now, the Front Office HAD to know DJ's injury situation...and his injury history.
Jones simply can't stay healthy. That's not a crime, it's not Daniel's fault...but the Front Office had to try and convince Russell to sign. If that meant DJ had to sit, then the team had to make that move.
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That’s fine. But I am still not mortgaging my future to move up for any QB besides Williams and Maye.
I’ll take Nabers, play Lock, and pick Sanders or Beck next year. Both guys are better than McCarthy..
It's not mortgaging the future to trade up and get a QB. It's betting on the future. The Giants have no future without a viable QB on the roster.
I wouldn't be surprised if JJM is the player us and the Vikings are trying to trade up for..
Does seem that way. But I hope the Gia ts can land DM or JD instead. I'm not seeing it with JJM yet. Seems like more of a project.
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Wasn’t that Dole too?
Dole had a spinal injury from a shellburst which left him with little use of one arm.
I apologize and plead full ignorance. I thought the shoulder was from torture. Even still, is the spine injury from a shell similar to his neck injury?
Sounds like the team was already going to avoid having him take a snap in 2024, but if this report it true, it is all but a certainty.
I know that many folks on the board were looking forward to moving off of Jones regardless, but it is a shame that he sustained this string of injuries.
A disappointment. Sadly we may never know what he might have been with more than 1.9 seconds to throw and someone to throw it to.
Unless something got worst between the time of Wilson's interview and now, the Front Office HAD to know DJ's injury situation...and his injury history.
Jones simply can't stay healthy. That's not a crime, it's not Daniel's fault...but the Front Office had to try and convince Russell to sign. If that meant DJ had to sit, then the team had to make that move.
Simple answer is usually right: Wilson wanted a chance to get in the playoffs and continue his legacy.
It's a fairly serious injury/condition. I've been told that I can live my life exactly like I used to, but I'm definitely hesitant to do things like go on roller coasters, etc. If I were an NFL caliber player (lol), I'd definitely risk it for my one shot of glory, but there certainly is a risk for things to get worse.
I hope DJ is ok first and foremost.
This. I also had ACDF, double fusion at C5/C6 and C6/C7. All good now, but that surgery is no joke.
Thanks, Chris, recall it now that you've put it up here.
Working my way through GoDeep13's thread--thank you for your nearly flawless insider scoops, man!!--and probably debated in depth above, but man his injury guarantee/medical/retirement come even more front and center than ever, and wasn't lying deep in the weeds to begin with. How does Schoen extricate the team from this albatross of a provision?
They may or may NOT heal completely, but the whole area will be permanently weakened and he is exponentially at risk of re-injury (which could yield FAR more serious issues).
The "smartest" thing for him to do is retire and not risk it. Professional athletes are not wired that way, they ignore risk and act like they are indestructible. They have to be dragged into retirement and that may be the case here.
In any case, the Giants would be massive Fools to move forward with this kind of risk.
They may or may NOT heal completely, but the whole area will be permanently weakened and he is exponentially at risk of re-injury (which could yield FAR more serious issues).
The "smartest" thing for him to do is retire and not risk it. Professional athletes are not wired that way, they ignore risk and act like they are indestructible. They have to be dragged into retirement and that may be the case here.
In any case, the Giants would be massive Fools to move forward with this kind of risk.
I gotta give you props...you have been talking about DJs throwing for a while now....
Quite frankly I was surprised that wasn't the end. The "one hit away" comment was thrown at me back then.
Punt on QB until next year may be the only answer
They may or may NOT heal completely, but the whole area will be permanently weakened and he is exponentially at risk of re-injury (which could yield FAR more serious issues).
The "smartest" thing for him to do is retire and not risk it. Professional athletes are not wired that way, they ignore risk and act like they are indestructible. They have to be dragged into retirement and that may be the case here.
In any case, the Giants would be massive Fools to move forward with this kind of risk.
Good stuff. I agree with AROCK. You've been on this for months.
If the neck is indeed still a major risk, what is your opinion why the staff cleared Jones to play in Vegas?
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the Giants are in a precarious spot. QBs will go 1-2-3 with a possible trade up at 4 or 5.
Punt on QB until next year may be the only answer
On the one hand, passing on QB this draft delays the development of our future rookie QB by one year; on the other hand, a one year delay should ensure more pieces in place for when our rookie QB finally arrives thereby perhaps speeding up his development.
If that makes any sense.
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Wasn’t that Dole too?
Dole had a spinal injury from a shellburst which left him with little use of one arm.
I apologize and plead full ignorance. I thought the shoulder was from torture. Even still, is the spine injury from a shell similar to his neck injury?
McCain’s injuries were from being tortured by the VC while he was imprisoned in the Hanoi Hilton, his shoulders were wrecked thus he lost range of motion
This is also why you don't run head first into a LB when you are a QB
And that's QB.
I still think my preference in Odunze and Penix. The inherent chemistry would go a long way and Penix arm will play in E Rutherford.
So apparently we have no money even with the Dex restructure, tons of holes and no QB and probably a lot less draft picks if we draft a QB. Schoen is killing it.
I still think my preference in Odunze and Penix. The inherent chemistry would go a long way and Penix arm will play in E Rutherford.
I'd love that but I think we would have to trade a future 1st to move up from 47 into rd 1 for Pennix, maybe he slides, but I see him going earlier than most pundits think.
Sy how would you feel about this?
Williams
Daniels
Maye (to Minnesota after trade)
MHjr
Nabers/Odunze
McCarthy
More and more I have been thinking this is the likely outcome.
So true! Where do you foresee Nix and Pennix going in the draft, if you could give a range? I'm thinking 6-12 for Nix and 11-32 for Pennix.