Revisiting a thread from a few months ago

I will always root for wins. Losing is a disease.

For his job. Imagine being coached by someone that doesnt want to win every game even if “meaningless”?

.....but I understand why some do....but that is not how I am built.

The difference between the easy way vs the right way.

I rooted for losses. I didn't care or argue with those who rooted for wins. It doesn't matter. The stupid thing right now is the people that remain obsessed with how if we just lost this game or that game (namely Packers, Washington and Pats games) imagine our draft pick? That is dumber than arguing about rooting for losses vs rooting for wins, which was already an idiotic debate because who cares, it doesn't matter. We were closer to beating the Jets, Bills, and Rams than any near loss. We only lost to the Rams because we had an ancient kicker off the couch due to Graham Gano injury and he still almost made the 53 yard game winner (btw I was ecstatic he missed it and worried sick when we were driving). The refs and Tyrod Taylor gifted us a loss vs. The Bills, straight up. And the Jets had like a less than 5% chance to win when we went up late, but we choked luckily. We were much closer to being 9-8 than 3-14. I'm so sick of people harping on this.

I thought Dabs really showed his coaching prowess and skills at getting the most out of a QBb last year. It makes me extremely excited about them trading up for a guy Schdabka believes in, who cares about the draft capital that's hit or miss, and if they hit a home run no one will even remember the lost picks.

...I root for wins.

People need to be reminded that a large group on BBI wanted the Giants to lose Tiki's last game so the Giants would miss the playoffs and get TC fired. They won, then lost to Phi in the WC game. People here were pissed that TC stayed. I, for one, am glad they didn't get what they wanted.

In comment 16442103 BleedBlue46 said:

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I thought Dabs really showed his coaching prowess and skills at getting the most out of a QBb last year. It makes me extremely excited about them trading up for a guy Schdabka believes in, who cares about the draft capital that's hit or miss, and if they hit a home run no one will even remember the lost picks.

I was really down on Dabs last year. I thought the team had quit on him. They ended up fighting hard to wrap up the season. That was very important in my book.

In comment 16442087 Giantsbigblue said:

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I will always root for wins. Losing is a disease.

One the Giants have been suffering from for more than a decade. The top QB in the draft could have been the medication to cure the disease.

I wanted the loss for the better draft position, but once the game came on I found myself wanting the win.

At 2-8 I didn't want to see the Giants win another game

And today I wish they hadn't

Experience their own fandom

But once you are eliminated from the playoffs they should be playing the young kids and sit anyone who isn’t in the long term plan as in an expiring contract that won’t be resigned to get the next man up ready. There is nothing like experience to get a players ready.

I think we should have stuck it out with DeVito since Taylor wasn’t coming back. Hyatt should have been starting and getting gameplanned into action. The corners and safeties should have been switched out. Why play Jackson instead of the young guys who are the long term future?

It’s not tanking, it’s preparing for the future.

It was obvious the team needed so something different to compete and usually that something different is a dynamic QB.

They kind of did their thing and yet still won a few worthless games. I don’t suggest they needed to tank because that can’t really happen. But why couldn’t they have kept DeVito playing? Taylor wasn’t being re-signed and certainly wasn’t our future anyway so what the hell was the point to let him play instead?

Schoen shot himself in the foot by giving Jones that contract. Daboll shot the other foot by not playing out the string with DeVito.

And now we are a team in desperate need of a QB but we are outside looking in at the top 3 guys. The NYG need luck to get out of this hole.

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Last time we were "in position to grab a franchise QB" at #2, we drafted a RB.

Try to win every game you can. It's the GM's job to assemble the team.

I’d go as far as to say I’m rooting for losses.
bceagle05 : 11/17/2023 6:12 pm : link
By the start of next season I won’t remember some random win they got against Green Bay in December. This team is gonna turn over much of its roster this offseason, so there’s no “cultural” benefit to it either. Top three pick - whether kept or traded - can go a long way.

In comment 16442183 Tim in Eternal Blue said:

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. Last time we were "in position to grab a franchise QB" at #2, we drafted a RB. Try to win every game you can. It's the GM's job to assemble the team.

Who was that franchise QB in 2018?
Baker. No
Darnold No
Rosen No

Josh Allen Yes. But no one had him as the franchise QB
Same for Lamar

...I said on that thread still stands:

"I..
Bill E : 11/17/2023 11:48 pm : link
...get the logic.
Lose more, and get a great QB (potentially) in the draft.
Tough to argue with that.

But for me, it is impossible to sit there watching the game and rooting for the jints to lose. Especially when they are playing Washington.
No way I'm rooting for Washington to win.

But no judgement either way, and to each their own."

hope they lose for better draft position and it doesn't mean anything. They are competitive coaches and athletes, they have pride in wanting to win but also they're playing for future contracts, promotions and bonuses. A team isn't going to try less for a better draft pick that will be complete unknown. I think the Giants should do whatever they need to do draft a QB they like, but it's very likely that all four QBs in this draft won't be very good in the NFL, it happens all the time.

1. Whether you root for wins or losses has no impact on what happens/happened

2. Chase young vs Andrew Thomas

But I think I was pretty consistent about not tanking and I still take that stance.

Draft picks aren't guaranteed, having the rights to draft Williams doesn't guarantee success, he can flop just as easily as Drake Maye, Bo Nix or Michael Pratt. So losing to move up just to get one guy is foolish.

On top of that, in an organization that desperately needs stability, if we went 3-14 we'd be looking for another coach and GM with Mara looking for someone who thinks they can once again "revive" Daniel Jones.

Winning the games we did was good for the organization. It helped the remaining players remain bought into the coaching staff, it allowed us to properly evaluate our roster of the final stretch and it kept a coach in place for year 3 which hasn't happened since Tom Coughlin.

If the Giants really want one of these QB's, they'll still get him.

Me rooting for a win has exactly zero impact on the outcome of a game, so why the big deal if fans root for wins in lost seasons?

Not part of my DNA to root for losses.

I stand by what I said…’Not rooting for losses, but not crying if we do.’

I want to try to win every game, and let the chips fall where they fall.

...and celebrating Ls.

That's why I root for them to win every game. If that happens, they will never win a Superbowl.

At the same time, I must be a closet Eagle fan because I want them to lose every game. That way, they will be a dynasty.

the draft takes care of itself. sitting at 6 in this draft is not a bad place to be.

The wins against the Pats and Commanders cost us the opportunity to grab one of the top 3 QBs (and perhaps Schoen/Daboll's #1 preference) without sacrificing valuable draft picks to move up. Hopefiully, somehow one of the top 4 will fall to us at #6 but I imagine the odds of that happening are low.

Once the season was lost, I was rooting for draft position. The reason being, I feel it would be best for the long-term future of the team.

Yea, we all get it - there are no sure things in the draft. However, finding a true franchise QB is the most important factor in returning this team back to being a perennial contender. The odds of finding that franchise QB increase dramatically with a premium draft position.

Cancer for an organization so should extend to fans also. And yes I would prefer we were in a top 3 position but would never want to tank or root for losing to do so.

But I know intellectually that losing is better long term.

As a result, I just avoid watching games, and pay little attention to the team when it is clearly the time to tank.

The team would have held together at 3-14 with Wink's minions trying to undermine things?

Losses have consequences too.

if the organization I root for openly throws games. I think it’s bush league and completely against the competitive nature of sports.