There is a good discussion on Giants.com/YouTube with Schmeelk and Shaun O'Hara about Runyan and Eluemunor in particular. On top of this, the signings of Stinnie, Schlottmann, and now Nelson should not be underrated. These are veteran back-ups.
He's a converted DL. He spent his rookie season on the PS.
He started 11 games in 2021. He started two games last year before injuring his ankle and ended up on IR.
He's not a camp body because he's started in this league on a good offensive line.
That's interesting he was converted from DL. Obviously could be some untapped potential there. Can't be worse than Peart and with the late season torn quad for Phillips he won't be ready for a while which is rough because he was starting to really evolve.
There is a good discussion on Giants.com/YouTube with Schmeelk and Shaun O'Hara about Runyan and Eluemunor in particular. On top of this, the signings of Stinnie, Schlottmann, and now Nelson should not be underrated. These are veteran back-ups.
reminiscent of 22 when they added douglas, garcia, then claimed phillips.
they put themselves in a bad spot last year having mckethan first off the bench at guard and ezeudu first off the bench at LT.
the mistake i least understand is not signing playable veterans when you can get them close to the minimum. are any of these guys good? probably not. but they've at least played reps before.
He's a converted DL. He spent his rookie season on the PS.
He started 11 games in 2021. He started two games last year before injuring his ankle and ended up on IR.
He's not a camp body because he's started in this league on a good offensive line.
Not trying to go to a back n forth, but he sat during his conversion... Ok. Then started 11 games, the next year he didnt play at all, and when he got hurt Im pretty sure ot coincided with Decler being hurt.
Whatever, I dont see ot the way you seem to. But he has 13 starts in 4 years.
He's a converted DL. He spent his rookie season on the PS.
He started 11 games in 2021. He started two games last year before injuring his ankle and ended up on IR.
He's not a camp body because he's started in this league on a good offensive line.
Not trying to go to a back n forth, but he sat during his conversion... Ok. Then started 11 games, the next year he didnt play at all, and when he got hurt Im pretty sure ot coincided with Decler being hurt.
Whatever, I dont see ot the way you seem to. But he has 13 starts in 4 years.
JFC, he is a depth signing. We have had no depth. He's not being signed to start, yet he has starting experience. It's not that hard.
He's a converted DL. He spent his rookie season on the PS.
He started 11 games in 2021. He started two games last year before injuring his ankle and ended up on IR.
He's not a camp body because he's started in this league on a good offensive line.
Not trying to go to a back n forth, but he sat during his conversion... Ok. Then started 11 games, the next year he didnt play at all, and when he got hurt Im pretty sure ot coincided with Decler being hurt.
Whatever, I dont see ot the way you seem to. But he has 13 starts in 4 years.
JFC, he is a depth signing. We have had no depth. He's not being signed to start, yet he has starting experience. It's not that hard.
Yes this is pretty simple, he is a replacement for Peart and with Tyree Phillips injury he definitely won't just be a camp body. Who knows, he could develop nicely here. The DL to OL conversion must take a good amount of time.
Because of limited practice time and the hours it takes for OL to gel.
I think signing veterans is a smart move. OL takes continuity which takes time. OL is the one area where it takes tons of reps to become cohesive so having guys with NFL experience over rookies is a smart move. This is a deep year for OT so if the runs on WR or QBs causes some lineman to drop then the team can pick up developmental talent but these signings takes some of the urgency away.
There is a good discussion on Giants.com/YouTube with Schmeelk and Shaun O'Hara about Runyan and Eluemunor in particular. On top of this, the signings of Stinnie, Schlottmann, and now Nelson should not be underrated. These are veteran back-ups.
reminiscent of 22 when they added douglas, garcia, then claimed phillips.
they put themselves in a bad spot last year having mckethan first off the bench at guard and ezeudu first off the bench at LT.
the mistake i least understand is not signing playable veterans when you can get them close to the minimum. are any of these guys good? probably not. but they've at least played reps before.
Correction: they put themselves in a bad spot when they had Peart first off the bench at LT, and then ditched that plan in Game 1.
Their plan for OL last year was as bad as Gettleman’s in 2021.
This signing makes me think Evan Neal will be part of the trade package to move up in the draft.
I don't know why people think this is ridiculous - there's a decent chance Neal could be part of a package, and some team think they could turn him around. For another team it's worth the gamble - especially if they think he needs to move to LT.
I'm leaning more toward the idea that the Giants will attempt to move down if the QB they want isn't there at #6. (For example, people think the Vikings are loading up to pass the Giants, but maybe the Giants are who they trade with. They seem more desperate than the Giants are to get a QB.)
How many times does Schoen have to say "Neal is a tackle" and the signings show he will START in camp as the incumbent RT.
Now, if he doesn't show some signs (and I fully expect he will under this OL coach), then they have TWO guys who can do a good job at RT.
Much better job this off season by JS, in preparing the OL for the season. Give Bricillo something to work with.
glad to see all the influx at OL.. that room has been in desperate need of a refresh.
Neal is worth practically 0 in any trade scenario idk if those comments are serious or not. Pretty confident he is a lock to start camp as RT1 and will need to fight to stay there. just glad to see them adding depth and competition.
I'd be surprised if the Giants drafted any OL this year
It appears that if everyone is healthy they've got four starters... Thomas, Runyan, Schmitz and Eluemunor.
Neal will likely be given a chance to start at RT, and if that fails, then at one of the guard spots.
If Neal makes it at RT then Eluemunor is likely the RG and Runyan the LG.
If Ezeudu and/or McKethan can develop and stay healthy, then they can challenge Neal for the last starting spot... or at least be good backups, who can join the other 12 OL currently under contract.
We had zero depth. We signed 2 solid/dependable starters, and several veteran backups with starting experience. Some of you have a complaint on every signing… already calling them camp bodies.
Well we had camp bodies starting for us and our depth the past several years. I never want to see the likes of Peart, Lemieux take a snap again, see Ezudu at LT, etc… We usually carry somewhere between 8-10 (not including PS). There’s no way these guys who I admit I didn’t see play could be worse than what we’ve had out there the past few years.
They DON’T draft any O Linemen. I get the throwing spaghetti against the wall approach, but right now we have more spaghetti than we can throw.
That’s ridiculous. Most of these guys are on 1yr deals. This is a very deep draft for OL. You never pass up a chance to take a good OL prospect if given the chance to if their value meets the draft slot.
They DON’T draft any O Linemen. I get the throwing spaghetti against the wall approach, but right now we have more spaghetti than we can throw.
That’s ridiculous. Most of these guys are on 1yr deals. This is a very deep draft for OL. You never pass up a chance to take a good OL prospect if given the chance to if their value meets the draft slot.
I wouldn't say that it's ridiculous to suggest the Giants won't draft any OL.
They have just 6 picks and it's possible they could use one of them (combined with their #1) to trade up for a QB... leaving them with just 5 picks.
And while some of the backup OL are on 1 year deals... the 4 starters I mentioned (Thomas, Runyan, Schmitz and Eluemunor) are all on multi-year deals.
Add in the fact that the Giants have a number of other holes, it's not so ridiculous that they don't draft any OL this year.
Absolutely nothing.
also almost 100 career snaps as an extra OL/jumbo TE.
Lol, he played DT at Iowa.
Yup. With all of these OL signings, my guess is that they likely won't focus on OL until day three at the earliest.
also almost 100 career snaps as an extra OL/jumbo TE.
Lets not get carried away. In almost 45 games of availability I think he has 14 starts in 4 years?
This guy is the definition of a camp body.
He's a converted DL. He spent his rookie season on the PS.
He started 11 games in 2021. He started two games last year before injuring his ankle and ended up on IR.
He's not a camp body because he's started in this league on a good offensive line.
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There is a good discussion on Giants.com/YouTube with Schmeelk and Shaun O'Hara about Runyan and Eluemunor in particular. On top of this, the signings of Stinnie, Schlottmann, and now Nelson should not be underrated. These are veteran back-ups.
He's a converted DL. He spent his rookie season on the PS.
He started 11 games in 2021. He started two games last year before injuring his ankle and ended up on IR.
He's not a camp body because he's started in this league on a good offensive line.
That's interesting he was converted from DL. Obviously could be some untapped potential there. Can't be worse than Peart and with the late season torn quad for Phillips he won't be ready for a while which is rough because he was starting to really evolve.
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Now let's see if they're any good.
There is a good discussion on Giants.com/YouTube with Schmeelk and Shaun O'Hara about Runyan and Eluemunor in particular. On top of this, the signings of Stinnie, Schlottmann, and now Nelson should not be underrated. These are veteran back-ups.
reminiscent of 22 when they added douglas, garcia, then claimed phillips.
they put themselves in a bad spot last year having mckethan first off the bench at guard and ezeudu first off the bench at LT.
the mistake i least understand is not signing playable veterans when you can get them close to the minimum. are any of these guys good? probably not. but they've at least played reps before.
He's a converted DL. He spent his rookie season on the PS.
He started 11 games in 2021. He started two games last year before injuring his ankle and ended up on IR.
He's not a camp body because he's started in this league on a good offensive line.
Not trying to go to a back n forth, but he sat during his conversion... Ok. Then started 11 games, the next year he didnt play at all, and when he got hurt Im pretty sure ot coincided with Decler being hurt.
Whatever, I dont see ot the way you seem to. But he has 13 starts in 4 years.
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He's a converted DL. He spent his rookie season on the PS.
He started 11 games in 2021. He started two games last year before injuring his ankle and ended up on IR.
He's not a camp body because he's started in this league on a good offensive line.
Not trying to go to a back n forth, but he sat during his conversion... Ok. Then started 11 games, the next year he didnt play at all, and when he got hurt Im pretty sure ot coincided with Decler being hurt.
Whatever, I dont see ot the way you seem to. But he has 13 starts in 4 years.
JFC, he is a depth signing. We have had no depth. He's not being signed to start, yet he has starting experience. It's not that hard.
Nope.
SMH just dumb
I really hope you are right. I am not intentionally hating on the guy, I just don't see it through your lens.
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He's a converted DL. He spent his rookie season on the PS.
He started 11 games in 2021. He started two games last year before injuring his ankle and ended up on IR.
He's not a camp body because he's started in this league on a good offensive line.
Not trying to go to a back n forth, but he sat during his conversion... Ok. Then started 11 games, the next year he didnt play at all, and when he got hurt Im pretty sure ot coincided with Decler being hurt.
Whatever, I dont see ot the way you seem to. But he has 13 starts in 4 years.
JFC, he is a depth signing. We have had no depth. He's not being signed to start, yet he has starting experience. It's not that hard.
Yes this is pretty simple, he is a replacement for Peart and with Tyree Phillips injury he definitely won't just be a camp body. Who knows, he could develop nicely here. The DL to OL conversion must take a good amount of time.
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thing is the Giants saw him up close and personal during the scrimmage.
I really hope you are right. I am not intentionally hating on the guy, I just don't see it through your lens.
Lens? There is a glaring spot open for a swing tackle. He fits that need. He may be more of a certainty than some better known players. .
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thing is the Giants saw him up close and personal during the scrimmage.
I really hope you are right. I am not intentionally hating on the guy, I just don't see it through your lens.
Your lense is broken.
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Now let's see if they're any good.
There is a good discussion on Giants.com/YouTube with Schmeelk and Shaun O'Hara about Runyan and Eluemunor in particular. On top of this, the signings of Stinnie, Schlottmann, and now Nelson should not be underrated. These are veteran back-ups.
reminiscent of 22 when they added douglas, garcia, then claimed phillips.
they put themselves in a bad spot last year having mckethan first off the bench at guard and ezeudu first off the bench at LT.
the mistake i least understand is not signing playable veterans when you can get them close to the minimum. are any of these guys good? probably not. but they've at least played reps before.
Correction: they put themselves in a bad spot when they had Peart first off the bench at LT, and then ditched that plan in Game 1.
Their plan for OL last year was as bad as Gettleman’s in 2021.
Glad to see them adding vet depth the new coach can work with so we aren’t pulling guys like Pugh off the couch
I don't know why people think this is ridiculous - there's a decent chance Neal could be part of a package, and some team think they could turn him around. For another team it's worth the gamble - especially if they think he needs to move to LT.
I'm leaning more toward the idea that the Giants will attempt to move down if the QB they want isn't there at #6. (For example, people think the Vikings are loading up to pass the Giants, but maybe the Giants are who they trade with. They seem more desperate than the Giants are to get a QB.)
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thing is the Giants saw him up close and personal during the scrimmage.
I really hope you are right. I am not intentionally hating on the guy, I just don't see it through your lens.
Lol, he's replacing reserves and part-time starters on the OL that the Giants have moved on from.
What's your lens tell you TrevorC?
Again, TBD if the line will be any good, but you can’t say they aren’t trying to improve it.
Now, if he doesn't show some signs (and I fully expect he will under this OL coach), then they have TWO guys who can do a good job at RT.
Much better job this off season by JS, in preparing the OL for the season. Give Bricillo something to work with.
Neal is worth practically 0 in any trade scenario idk if those comments are serious or not. Pretty confident he is a lock to start camp as RT1 and will need to fight to stay there. just glad to see them adding depth and competition.
Neal will likely be given a chance to start at RT, and if that fails, then at one of the guard spots.
If Neal makes it at RT then Eluemunor is likely the RG and Runyan the LG.
If Ezeudu and/or McKethan can develop and stay healthy, then they can challenge Neal for the last starting spot... or at least be good backups, who can join the other 12 OL currently under contract.
Well we had camp bodies starting for us and our depth the past several years. I never want to see the likes of Peart, Lemieux take a snap again, see Ezudu at LT, etc… We usually carry somewhere between 8-10 (not including PS). There’s no way these guys who I admit I didn’t see play could be worse than what we’ve had out there the past few years.
That’s ridiculous. Most of these guys are on 1yr deals. This is a very deep draft for OL. You never pass up a chance to take a good OL prospect if given the chance to if their value meets the draft slot.
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They DON’T draft any O Linemen. I get the throwing spaghetti against the wall approach, but right now we have more spaghetti than we can throw.
That’s ridiculous. Most of these guys are on 1yr deals. This is a very deep draft for OL. You never pass up a chance to take a good OL prospect if given the chance to if their value meets the draft slot.
I wouldn't say that it's ridiculous to suggest the Giants won't draft any OL.
They have just 6 picks and it's possible they could use one of them (combined with their #1) to trade up for a QB... leaving them with just 5 picks.
And while some of the backup OL are on 1 year deals... the 4 starters I mentioned (Thomas, Runyan, Schmitz and Eluemunor) are all on multi-year deals.
Add in the fact that the Giants have a number of other holes, it's not so ridiculous that they don't draft any OL this year.