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| Albert Breer @AlbertBreer Giants assistant GM Brandon Brown and QBs coach Shea Tierney, and Vikings QBs coach Josh McCown and assistant QBs coach Grant Udinski are among those set to be at Michigan QB JJ McCarthy's Pro Day in Ann Arbor this morning, per sources. Both teams doing all the work on the QBs. |
Makes me puke to read that ^ ugh!
Exactly. And based on how this regime operates, they pick guys they used visits on.
Vikings GM isn’t there either
It was always Maye. It was Maye all throughout the season and early offseason and now it's been JJ to try and throw off the scent. I'm guessing because they don't want competition from someone else trading up to NE to grab Maye (assuming the reports that NE wants Daniels and isn't very high on Maye are true). Remember when the Giants hated Kayvon?
That will give them some flexibility via the draft to get one of theme.
That will give them some flexibility via the draft to get one of theme.
Yea, there’s no smoke screen here. They like them both a lot. We’ll see if they like JJM enough to take him 6
And Ranaan said yesterday he was going to be there.
Maye is a prototypical pocket passer with a very strong arm.
McCarthy is an RPO, mobile QB.
In comparing the two players I prefer McCarthy.
Maye came into the year as a highly touted prospect competing with Williams for the top spot. Maye had the spotlight on him and was promoted as a potential franchise QB.
Maye however did not play well this year and did not show the expected improvements in his game. To the contrary certain holes were exposed. Maye is deliberate, misses a lot of short and intermediate throws, does not feel pressure, and despite his athleticism, he steps into sacks.
There may be contributing factors in that Maye played with inferior talent and he may be able to resolve these issues.
McCarthy was underrated and not touted coming into the draft. One reason is that most analysts thought he was going to return to Michigan next year. When Harbaugh left Michigan McCarthy decided to leave as well.
McCarthy is very young but is the most pro-ready QB. He comes from a pro-style offense. The verbiage, play calling, and reads are similar to the NFL.
McCarthy can play in the pocket, but his skills make him perfect for a move QB.
McCarthy's attributes are he is fast and illusive, he feels pressure, excels under pressure, extends plays, has an extremely strong arm that is only second to Maye and Milton, is accurate on all levels, throws well on the move, and is a winner.
McCarthy can play behind a porous line and still be effective, I am not certain that Maye can do that.
They will both be really good QBs but I prefer chocolate
So, enough of this nonsense that Maye is just a pocket passer. It's embarrassing.
Here's an idea - watch an entire game.
Jones is a pocket QB and so is Maye.
If you dug into Maye's playing you would see that he is comfortable in the pocket. He will occasionally extend plays but that is not his game.
Maye is an excellent runner nobody denies that.
But I don't know what you are watching if you do not believe that he is a pocket passer.
His throwing on the run ability has to excite Daboll and Tierney, for sure.
Agreed.
He didn't play badly, just not as well as his superb 2022 season.
Maye was still 24/9, 8.5 YPA, 63%, and ran for 7 TDs and 450 yards.
^^^^ THIS ^^^^
1) Committal to the smokescreen
2) It's Michigan. There are prospects galore.
I really believe this too
Besides, they had 18 players invited to the combine this year:
J.J. McCarthy, QB
Kris Jenkins, DL
Roman Wilson, WR
Zak Zinter, OL
Mike Sainristil, DB
Junior Colson, LB
Trevor Keegan, OL
Blake Corum, RB
Drake Nugent, OL
AJ Barner, TE
Cornelius Johnson, WR
Braiden McGregor, EDGE
LaDarius Henderson, OL
Trente Jones, OL
Karsen Barnhart, OL
Jaylen Harrell, DL
Mike Barrett, LB
Josh Wallace, DB
Daniels
Maye
McCarthy
With all three being pretty close, McCarthy slightly behind the other two
Seriously, this smokescreen stuff gets taken to Jason Bourne levels.
Schoens not there. If you’re committed to a smoke screen, pretty easy to send the position coach down there to keep the act going. Not saying that’s what they are doing, but it wouldn’t be the most unreasonable thing…
This front office isn’t stupid like the last one…see the Kayvon smokescreen for example.
I really think they have Nabers and MHJ ranked ahead of Odunze by a significant gap, and they want a 4th QB picked ahead of them
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He didn't play badly, just not as well as his superb 2022 season.
Maye was still 24/9, 8.5 YPA, 63%, and ran for 7 TDs and 450 yards.
For comparison, this SEC QB had 19 TDs and 8 INTs, 8 YPA, completed 69 percent, this year, and ran for 4 TDs (though only 100 yards). So when it came to the passing game, Maye wasn't much different than this guy.
Maye's best year (sophomore) wasn't much different (more TDs) than this guy's best year (freshman, more YPA and better completion %).
I'm not advocating for taking the SEC guy, but Maye's numbers aren't much different than his (it's Rattler). Maye has lots of questions surrounding his game. Would I be upset if he falls to 6? No. But I do think he's overrated by many of the "experts" putting together draft guides. And I certainly don't want to give up a 2nd and next year's first for him.
There's only 2 QBs worth giving up picks to move up for in this draft and the Giants can't get either. The Giants lost their chance when they beat Washington and the Pats.
Talks about all the new FA additions, draft, and who he likes for the Giants at #6. Hint: he has fewer doubts about JJ than the other guys.
Those who are so adamant about the Giants being interested puzzles me. He didn't declare until January and the media (and some fans) are late catching up on him. Daniels wasn't considered any first day pick until November-December. Throwing to NFL receivers in open spots behind a wall. He is harsh on Drake Maye, for fans of his, and I'm one of them.
https://www.giants.com/video/giants-huddle-the-athletic-s-randy-mueller - ( New Window )
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He didn't play badly, just not as well as his superb 2022 season.
Maye was still 24/9, 8.5 YPA, 63%, and ran for 7 TDs and 450 yards.
For comparison, this SEC QB had 19 TDs and 8 INTs, 8 YPA, completed 69 percent, this year, and ran for 4 TDs (though only 100 yards). So when it came to the passing game, Maye wasn't much different than this guy.
Maye's best year (sophomore) wasn't much different (more TDs) than this guy's best year (freshman, more YPA and better completion %).
I'm not advocating for taking the SEC guy, but Maye's numbers aren't much different than his (it's Rattler). Maye has lots of questions surrounding his game. Would I be upset if he falls to 6? No. But I do think he's overrated by many of the "experts" putting together draft guides. And I certainly don't want to give up a 2nd and next year's first for him.
There's only 2 QBs worth giving up picks to move up for in this draft and the Giants can't get either. The Giants lost their chance when they beat Washington and the Pats.
I'll keep reminding everyone that we were 3 plays away from being 9-8. TT + refs gifted us a loss vs the Bills, Mason Crosby gifted us a loss vs the Rams, and the Jets had like a 5% chance of winning at the tail end.
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He didn't play badly, just not as well as his superb 2022 season.
Maye was still 24/9, 8.5 YPA, 63%, and ran for 7 TDs and 450 yards.
For comparison, this SEC QB had 19 TDs and 8 INTs, 8 YPA, completed 69 percent, this year, and ran for 4 TDs (though only 100 yards). So when it came to the passing game, Maye wasn't much different than this guy.
Maye's best year (sophomore) wasn't much different (more TDs) than this guy's best year (freshman, more YPA and better completion %).
I'm not advocating for taking the SEC guy, but Maye's numbers aren't much different than his (it's Rattler). Maye has lots of questions surrounding his game. Would I be upset if he falls to 6? No. But I do think he's overrated by many of the "experts" putting together draft guides. And I certainly don't want to give up a 2nd and next year's first for him.
There's only 2 QBs worth giving up picks to move up for in this draft and the Giants can't get either. The Giants lost their chance when they beat Washington and the Pats.
I think Maye is overrated as well. I don't hate him as a prospect, I just think he has some big question marks in regards to how he responds to pressure in the pocket especially.
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He didn't play badly, just not as well as his superb 2022 season.
Maye was still 24/9, 8.5 YPA, 63%, and ran for 7 TDs and 450 yards.
For comparison, this SEC QB had 19 TDs and 8 INTs, 8 YPA, completed 69 percent, this year, and ran for 4 TDs (though only 100 yards). So when it came to the passing game, Maye wasn't much different than this guy.
Maye's best year (sophomore) wasn't much different (more TDs) than this guy's best year (freshman, more YPA and better completion %).
I'm not advocating for taking the SEC guy, but Maye's numbers aren't much different than his (it's Rattler). Maye has lots of questions surrounding his game. Would I be upset if he falls to 6? No. But I do think he's overrated by many of the "experts" putting together draft guides. And I certainly don't want to give up a 2nd and next year's first for him.
There's only 2 QBs worth giving up picks to move up for in this draft and the Giants can't get either. The Giants lost their chance when they beat Washington and the Pats.
I'll keep reminding everyone that we were 3 plays away from being 9-8. TT + refs gifted us a loss vs the Bills, Mason Crosby gifted us a loss vs the Rams, and the Jets had like a 5% chance of winning at the tail end.
Didn't we beat the Pats because they missed a last second FG? And wasn't Washington on the 5-yard but didn't score at the very end of one game that we beat them? And didn't we kick a last second FG to edge out the Packers?
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He didn't play badly, just not as well as his superb 2022 season.
Maye was still 24/9, 8.5 YPA, 63%, and ran for 7 TDs and 450 yards.
For comparison, this SEC QB had 19 TDs and 8 INTs, 8 YPA, completed 69 percent, this year, and ran for 4 TDs (though only 100 yards). So when it came to the passing game, Maye wasn't much different than this guy.
Maye's best year (sophomore) wasn't much different (more TDs) than this guy's best year (freshman, more YPA and better completion %).
I'm not advocating for taking the SEC guy, but Maye's numbers aren't much different than his (it's Rattler). Maye has lots of questions surrounding his game. Would I be upset if he falls to 6? No. But I do think he's overrated by many of the "experts" putting together draft guides. And I certainly don't want to give up a 2nd and next year's first for him.
There's only 2 QBs worth giving up picks to move up for in this draft and the Giants can't get either. The Giants lost their chance when they beat Washington and the Pats.
I'll keep reminding everyone that we were 3 plays away from being 9-8. TT + refs gifted us a loss vs the Bills, Mason Crosby gifted us a loss vs the Rams, and the Jets had like a 5% chance of winning at the tail end.
Didn't we beat the Pats because they missed a last second FG? And wasn't Washington on the 5-yard but didn't score at the very end of one game that we beat them? And didn't we kick a last second FG to edge out the Packers?
Yeah, I'd say those balance out with the Jets, Bills and Rams wins. You could even add in the Cardinals win. What I'm saying is our record balances out with near losses and near wins. It's silly to play the what if game when all those near losses are countered by games we should have won. That's all.
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He didn't play badly, just not as well as his superb 2022 season.
Maye was still 24/9, 8.5 YPA, 63%, and ran for 7 TDs and 450 yards.
For comparison, this SEC QB had 19 TDs and 8 INTs, 8 YPA, completed 69 percent, this year, and ran for 4 TDs (though only 100 yards). So when it came to the passing game, Maye wasn't much different than this guy.
Maye's best year (sophomore) wasn't much different (more TDs) than this guy's best year (freshman, more YPA and better completion %).
I'm not advocating for taking the SEC guy, but Maye's numbers aren't much different than his (it's Rattler). Maye has lots of questions surrounding his game. Would I be upset if he falls to 6? No. But I do think he's overrated by many of the "experts" putting together draft guides. And I certainly don't want to give up a 2nd and next year's first for him.
There's only 2 QBs worth giving up picks to move up for in this draft and the Giants can't get either. The Giants lost their chance when they beat Washington and the Pats.
I'll keep reminding everyone that we were 3 plays away from being 9-8. TT + refs gifted us a loss vs the Bills, Mason Crosby gifted us a loss vs the Rams, and the Jets had like a 5% chance of winning at the tail end.
Didn't we beat the Pats because they missed a last second FG? And wasn't Washington on the 5-yard but didn't score at the very end of one game that we beat them? And didn't we kick a last second FG to edge out the Packers?
Trust me I was devastated when the Patriots kicker missed that fg (a tie would have been good too), I was so mad when Lafleur called a reverse to Jayden Reed for the 15th time for the 2 point conversion (wtf was that??), and when we beat the Redskins twice due to turnovers and sheer luck. I just feel like our near wins balance out with our near losses, it's a wash. If we had been blown away and not close in our losses then yeah these near losses would hurt more.
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He didn't play badly, just not as well as his superb 2022 season.
Maye was still 24/9, 8.5 YPA, 63%, and ran for 7 TDs and 450 yards.
For comparison, this SEC QB had 19 TDs and 8 INTs, 8 YPA, completed 69 percent, this year, and ran for 4 TDs (though only 100 yards). So when it came to the passing game, Maye wasn't much different than this guy.
Maye's best year (sophomore) wasn't much different (more TDs) than this guy's best year (freshman, more YPA and better completion %).
I'm not advocating for taking the SEC guy, but Maye's numbers aren't much different than his (it's Rattler). Maye has lots of questions surrounding his game. Would I be upset if he falls to 6? No. But I do think he's overrated by many of the "experts" putting together draft guides. And I certainly don't want to give up a 2nd and next year's first for him.
There's only 2 QBs worth giving up picks to move up for in this draft and the Giants can't get either. The Giants lost their chance when they beat Washington and the Pats.
I'll keep reminding everyone that we were 3 plays away from being 9-8. TT + refs gifted us a loss vs the Bills, Mason Crosby gifted us a loss vs the Rams, and the Jets had like a 5% chance of winning at the tail end.
And just imagine if a team that was a few plays away from 9-8 had ended up with the second pick in the draft - without having to trade away three or four picks to get it.
For comparison, this SEC QB had 19 TDs and 8 INTs, 8 YPA, completed 69 percent, this year, and ran for 4 TDs (though only 100 yards). So when it came to the passing game, Maye wasn't much different than this guy.
Maye's best year (sophomore) wasn't much different (more TDs) than this guy's best year (freshman, more YPA and better completion %).
I'm not advocating for taking the SEC guy, but Maye's numbers aren't much different than his (it's Rattler). Maye has lots of questions surrounding his game. Would I be upset if he falls to 6? No. But I do think he's overrated by many of the "experts" putting together draft guides. And I certainly don't want to give up a 2nd and next year's first for him.
There's only 2 QBs worth giving up picks to move up for in this draft and the Giants can't get either. The Giants lost their chance when they beat Washington and the Pats.
Agree with your last paragraph. Wrong year to have inconsequential wins.
I know you know this, but Maye is 6'4", 230, and he moves. Rattler, well, isn't.
I really like Maye, largely because I am a "tools guy". And Maye has what you need in spades. I would trust a guy like Daboll to fix his issues and maximize his upside.
There should be more emphasis, btw, in his 2022 campaign.
Great post
I'd swear this is an inside joke.
Also, I'm curious about the idea that Maye can or cannot play under pressure. He was not playing behind a wall at UNC.