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| Pretty Rickey 213 @PrettyRickey214 New England has agreed to trade the #3 pick in the 2024 draft, along with a 2025 4th round pick, to the Giants for #6, #47, 2025 1st and 3rd round picks and two players on rookie deals. No confirmation on the players yet, but it is presumed to be Azeez Ojulari and Evan Neal. Stay tuned |
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In the coming days, the Giants will restructure Andrew Thomas's contract and open up $9.5 million in cap space. Intent is to sign WR Corey Davis (pending physical) to a one year deal, and to meet with Safety Julian Blackmon following his visit to the 49ers. @bigblueview... Show more
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The Chiefs - Colts trade involving L'Jarious Sneed is stalled, but not dead. The trade compensation is set at a swap of picks 15 and 32 and a 2025 3rd round pick. The hold up is over the contract the Colts will sign him to. Sneed wants 3 years $75 mill. #Colts @StampedeBlue
It's time for a new approach.
A lot of people though AT was terrible his first two years also. Errick Flowers was a horrible RT, but turned out to be a pretty good OG. There is still a good chance he can be a productive player. Some players take longer than others.
It's time for a new approach.
I’ve really come to feel that the difference between good front offices and bad ones isn’t as much making good picks, its realizing they’ve made a bad one and moving on quickly.
The odds in the draft are low as it is, you can’t feel bad about making a bad pick and double down on it like the Giants have been.
Thanks friend.
Which I would do to get my pick of the litter.
This is way too much to possibly wind up with our third choice player.
But it looks like this trade-based on above posts-is fake so...se la vie.
I am just so thirsty for a franchise QB. I'd probably give up a finger for one, Haha. This is the most beaten down I've been as a Giants fan in awhile. Just give me hope.
And whiffed on Neal. Gave Jones an insane deal. This roster is just as bad as when he took over. The best players on the team are Gettleman's picks. We have to be honest. We cannot just cherry pick what we want to fit out narrative. You're a good poster but saying we just give up whatever for a risky situation is not the answer. I don't want to get all into the statistics but Mahomes is the only 1st round QB to win a SB in the last X years. Imo, it is SB or bust. Just being a good team isn't good enough for me. We have seen it time after time after time. QBs need help. There was a statistic where no team has ever won a SB with taking up over a certain percentage of the cap. Yes, QB is the most important position in sports but that doesn't mean you do anything for that QB. It is the ultimate team sport. The other players matter too.
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But he has been a terrible player in these two years. Terrible. The Giants' culture for a decade has been to keep terrible players in the hope they'll become good.
It's time for a new approach.
A lot of people though AT was terrible his first two years also. Errick Flowers was a horrible RT, but turned out to be a pretty good OG. There is still a good chance he can be a productive player. Some players take longer than others.
And I can name a million examples where players started terribly and stayed terrible.
Schoen should be finding reasons to replace players, not reasons to keep them.
Do not give away premium 2025 picks°
°See Panthers Beara trade
6 and 47 alone meets the "trade value" equivalent. Ok throw in next year's 2, or 1 if necessary but not 1 and 3.
I wouldn't mind Neal if they think he isn't going to turn it around - clears some cap if designated post June 1 trade - almost $3 mill
In all honesty, Maye may not be the #3 QB. We don't know who the #2 is after Williams. Just because Wash picks Daniels doesn't mean he is better or turns out better than Maye (or McCarthy).
But agree that whomever, it is far too much.
6 and 47 alone meets the "trade value" equivalent. Ok throw in next year's 2, or 1 if necessary but not 1 and 3.
I wouldn't mind Neal if they think he isn't going to turn it around - clears some cap if designated post June 1 trade - almost $3 mill
Technically, this trade would just about match what the Jets gave up when they traded pick 6, 37 and 49 and a future 2nd. A future 1st value is basically a little better than pick 37 and the future 3rd plus 2 young players we don't believe in and the extra value of 2025 1st vs pick 37 basically equates to what the Jets traded. I was imagining we would have to trade pick 6, 47 and a future 1st, 2nd and maybe a 3rd to sweeten the deal. This is very similar only with a couple young, cheap players instead of the 2025 2nd. This is a very realistic trade package. I'd imagine we could have kept the 2025 1st if we dangled KT but Schoen didn't want to do that. Or maybe made it a 2025 2nd and Hyatt instead of the 2025 1st but once again he wouldn't want to do that as Hyatt has shown the potential to be a star. If we don't get the injury bug I think we could easily be around 9-8 with an much easier schedule so that 2025 1st could be around pick 20-25 imo.
If Joe and Dabs think a quarterback is the franchise quarterback, and most other NFL talent evaluators feel the same, then give everything up for him. Peyton Manning, John Elway, Troy Aikman. But if the two of them don’t have a lot of company in their evaluation, then it is a big gamble. If you’re not taking the first or second off the board, it is a big gamble.
I haven’t done the research, but if you’re taking one of the quarterbacks generally thought to be the 3rd, 4th and 5th best available, they all probably have about the same chance of being the future Hall-of-Famer and you drastically cut your risk if you keep the 2nd rounder and next year’s 1st.
This.
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they go 6, 47, 2025 1st and 3rd plus two youngish players.
6 and 47 alone meets the "trade value" equivalent. Ok throw in next year's 2, or 1 if necessary but not 1 and 3.
I wouldn't mind Neal if they think he isn't going to turn it around - clears some cap if designated post June 1 trade - almost $3 mill
Technically, this trade would just about match what the Jets gave up when they traded pick 6, 37 and 49 and a future 2nd. A future 1st value is basically a little better than pick 37 and the future 3rd plus 2 young players we don't believe in and the extra value of 2025 1st vs pick 37 basically equates to what the Jets traded. I was imagining we would have to trade pick 6, 47 and a future 1st, 2nd and maybe a 3rd to sweeten the deal. This is very similar only with a couple young, cheap players instead of the 2025 2nd. This is a very realistic trade package. I'd imagine we could have kept the 2025 1st if we dangled KT but Schoen didn't want to do that. Or maybe made it a 2025 2nd and Hyatt instead of the 2025 1st but once again he wouldn't want to do that as Hyatt has shown the potential to be a star. If we don't get the injury bug I think we could easily be around 9-8 with an much easier schedule so that 2025 1st could be around pick 20-25 imo.
And if it turns out like Carolina and Chicago?
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they go 6, 47, 2025 1st and 3rd plus two youngish players.
6 and 47 alone meets the "trade value" equivalent. Ok throw in next year's 2, or 1 if necessary but not 1 and 3.
I wouldn't mind Neal if they think he isn't going to turn it around - clears some cap if designated post June 1 trade - almost $3 mill
Technically, this trade would just about match what the Jets gave up when they traded pick 6, 37 and 49 and a future 2nd. A future 1st value is basically a little better than pick 37 and the future 3rd plus 2 young players we don't believe in and the extra value of 2025 1st vs pick 37 basically equates to what the Jets traded. I was imagining we would have to trade pick 6, 47 and a future 1st, 2nd and maybe a 3rd to sweeten the deal. This is very similar only with a couple young, cheap players instead of the 2025 2nd. This is a very realistic trade package. I'd imagine we could have kept the 2025 1st if we dangled KT but Schoen didn't want to do that. Or maybe made it a 2025 2nd and Hyatt instead of the 2025 1st but once again he wouldn't want to do that as Hyatt has shown the potential to be a star. If we don't get the injury bug I think we could easily be around 9-8 with an much easier schedule so that 2025 1st could be around pick 20-25 imo.
And if it turns out like Carolina and Chicago?
I think this is a fake prettyrickey, but I'm just responding to those whom think this is totally unrealistic. To get pick 3 realistic compensation without any players would be pick 6, 47, 2025 1st and 2nd imo. I know it would be a lot, but that is realistic compensation and it's only a mistake if the QB isn't good.
It's a bold move, but sometimes you have to take huge swings like this. If it backfires, we regroup in two years--which ironically is probably when the next class of QB's will come out that match this year's level of talent.
You people are fucking insanely hysterical. “No way! We can’t give that up!”
The Giants need a QB. No team is just going to hand it to them. Get a clue.
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There is no 'cost too high' for a franchise QB. Its the most important position not only in the league, but probably in sports. If we trade up to 3 & Drake Maye-for example-is a perennial All Pro, no one is going to give AF what it took to get him. Having an elite QB puts you in the conversation to win every fall.
Of course it could be a total disaster. The draft is a crapshoot. But swing for the fences.
This is just not true. No offense but this is the burned out fan in you. Yes, plenty of franchises have been hindered by the cost of trading up for a QB. There are multiple ways to build up a team. Giving up this much pretty much guarantees this team isn't going anywhere because we have so many holes to fill and we will be limited on resources to do so. No QB ever does it on his own.
No offense, this post is the Pollyanna in you. The team has been terrible for more than a decade. It’s time to swing for the fences.
Teams like the Giants need to believe they can win.
I am fine if they want to go after a QB..if its bpa..but the Giants can also use a #1 WR that I assume is rated higher.
Eli trade was effectively 1st round swap between picks 1 and 4, 3rd and next years 1st and 5th. This is not that much different except for players and recently adding Elemuenor and Burns make both more expendable.
Teams like the Giants need to believe they can win.
I am fine if they want to go after a QB..if its bpa..but the Giants can also use a #1 WR that I assume is rated higher.
Draft a WR. Sure. With what QB throwing to him? The shit they have now?
Of course it could be a total disaster. The draft is a crapshoot. But swing for the fences.
Now that I've read the entire thread, it looks like this trade proposal was a FAKE.
Bummer.
As to SFGNC's comment above... it's the one that makes the most sense.
Sure it's an overpay, but if the QB turns out to be a franchise guy. Who cares?
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But he has been a terrible player in these two years. Terrible. The Giants' culture for a decade has been to keep terrible players in the hope they'll become good.
It's time for a new approach.
A lot of people though AT was terrible his first two years also. Errick Flowers was a horrible RT, but turned out to be a pretty good OG. There is still a good chance he can be a productive player. Some players take longer than others.
Besides the horrible coach Neal played on a broken ankle last year. Lets see how he does healthy with a hopefully competent coach
Venn diagram, not pie chart. This is why they don’t let me do math at work.
If Schoen and Daboll ever did this trade they should immediately be removed from their positions and their asses dumped on Paterson Plank Rd...
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There is no 'cost too high' for a franchise QB. Its the most important position not only in the league, but probably in sports. If we trade up to 3 & Drake Maye-for example-is a perennial All Pro, no one is going to give AF what it took to get him. Having an elite QB puts you in the conversation to win every fall.
Of course it could be a total disaster. The draft is a crapshoot. But swing for the fences.
Now that I've read the entire thread, it looks like this trade proposal was a FAKE.
Bummer.
As to SFGNC's comment above... it's the one that makes the most sense.
Sure it's an overpay, but if the QB turns out to be a franchise guy. Who cares?
Exactly.
These same people yelling about not trading would also not have done the Eli trade. I was in the group that wanted to stick with and build around Collins and get Gallery. I learned my lesson then.
Somebody said they weren't allowed to do math at work. Here's some math:
Nix at #6 plus the players we'd take with the draft picks we'd lose, as well as Neal and Ojulari, is much more likely to help the Giants than JJM, Maye, or Daniels at #3. And I don't want to take Nix at #6.
Teams like the Giants need to believe they can win.
I am fine if they want to go after a QB..if its bpa..but the Giants can also use a #1 WR that I assume is rated higher.
Franchise QBs vs. Franchise WRs
The positional value of a QB is obviously higher than a WR. And franchise QBs tend to last a lot longer than franchise WRs.
Also, if a QB loses a step, it's not a big deal. When a WR loses a step, he's a JAG or out of the NFL. (Like OBJ after year 6.)
Here's a list of career lengths of some top Giants WRs and QBs
WRs
Amani Toomer 13-year career
Frank Gifford 12-year career
Plaxico Burress 11-year career
Kyle Rote 11-year career
Homer Jones 7-year career
Hakeem Nicks 7-year career
Mario Manningham 6-year career
Victor Cruz 6-year career
Steve Smith 6-year career
QBs
YA Title 17-year career
Eli Manning 16-year career
Phil Simms 15-year career
Charlie Conerly 14-year career