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| Pretty Rickey 213 @PrettyRickey214 New England has agreed to trade the #3 pick in the 2024 draft, along with a 2025 4th round pick, to the Giants for #6, #47, 2025 1st and 3rd round picks and two players on rookie deals. No confirmation on the players yet, but it is presumed to be Azeez Ojulari and Evan Neal. Stay tuned |
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If QB is last piece....let's say, SF 49ers might be a team to do it.
Teams like the Giants need to believe they can win.
I am fine if they want to go after a QB..if its bpa..but the Giants can also use a #1 WR that I assume is rated higher.
Franchise QBs vs. Franchise WRs
The positional value of a QB is obviously higher than a WR. And franchise QBs tend to last a lot longer than franchise WRs.
Also, if a QB loses a step, it's not a big deal. When a WR loses a step, he's a JAG or out of the NFL. (Like OBJ after year 6.)
Here's a list of career lengths of some top Giants WRs and QBs
WRs
Amani Toomer 13-year career
Frank Gifford 12-year career
Plaxico Burress 11-year career
Kyle Rote 11-year career
Homer Jones 7-year career
Hakeem Nicks 7-year career
Mario Manningham 6-year career
Victor Cruz 6-year career
Steve Smith 6-year career
QBs
YA Title 17-year career
Eli Manning 16-year career
Phil Simms 15-year career
Charlie Conerly 14-year career
Forgot to add my favorite Giants QB...
Fran Tarkenton 18-year career
Somebody said they weren't allowed to do math at work. Here's some math:
Nix at #6 plus the players we'd take with the draft picks we'd lose, as well as Neal and Ojulari, is much more likely to help the Giants than JJM, Maye, or Daniels at #3. And I don't want to take Nix at #6.
I'm not saying I would love this trade. I wouldn't love it and it would make me very uneasy, but if they hit on the qb then it's a win.
+1000
This is the kind of trade that cripples a franchise for years.
Reinstated and cut, I believe
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they go 6, 47, 2025 1st and 3rd plus two youngish players.
6 and 47 alone meets the "trade value" equivalent. Ok throw in next year's 2, or 1 if necessary but not 1 and 3.
I wouldn't mind Neal if they think he isn't going to turn it around - clears some cap if designated post June 1 trade - almost $3 mill
Technically, this trade would just about match what the Jets gave up when they traded pick 6, 37 and 49 and a future 2nd. A future 1st value is basically a little better than pick 37 and the future 3rd plus 2 young players we don't believe in and the extra value of 2025 1st vs pick 37 basically equates to what the Jets traded. I was imagining we would have to trade pick 6, 47 and a future 1st, 2nd and maybe a 3rd to sweeten the deal. This is very similar only with a couple young, cheap players instead of the 2025 2nd. This is a very realistic trade package. I'd imagine we could have kept the 2025 1st if we dangled KT but Schoen didn't want to do that. Or maybe made it a 2025 2nd and Hyatt instead of the 2025 1st but once again he wouldn't want to do that as Hyatt has shown the potential to be a star. If we don't get the injury bug I think we could easily be around 9-8 with an much easier schedule so that 2025 1st could be around pick 20-25 imo.
And if it turns out like Carolina and Chicago?
You do realize we are already about as bad as those teams. The objective in the NFL is to win Super Bowls. It isn't to muddle along and maybe get to a Wild Card game. We've done it your way since 2019. It doesn't work. Build around a QB with elite upside. That's the hope here.
Meanwhile only a small amount of us remained to greet Eli when he arrived at Stadium and Sid Rosenberg interviewed him and presented him with his jersey
Moral of the story, people will overreact to trade compensation for draft picks. Im sure this is likely fake but IF the Giants do pull off a trade to move up people will complain about the price no matter it is.
Meanwhile only a small amount of us remained to greet Eli when he arrived at Stadium and Sid Rosenberg interviewed him and presented him with his jersey
Moral of the story, people will overreact to trade compensation for draft picks. Im sure this is likely fake but IF the Giants do pull off a trade to move up people will complain about the price no matter it is.
You should have seen BBI after Eli's first mini-camp report when he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.
Even I freaked out when he had his 0.0 QBR game against the Ravens.
I’ve seen a lot of fans post that there is no need to worry, that Manning will overcome this. Well, I’m a worrier by nature and when you mortgage the future for a quarterback who is not poised or accurate, I think there is cause for concern. Have I given up on Manning or do I think he will be a bust? No. But I am worried. C’mon…4-of-18 for 27 yards?!?
However, if the thinking is it lands them Maye then I would support that trade.
However, a 1st next year is probably not being offered. Doesn’t make sense to give that up when NE is only going down 3 spots.
1st off the cap situation. We need to sign more players and losing 2 starters or plus reserves would need to be replaced plus the dead cap on both players. In addition the Giants didn’t restructure Thomas so if they do it now they can only gain $10 mil instead of the $14 mil if they had restructured 2 weeks ago. If Jones can’t play or pass a physical we are on the hook for his injury guarantee so our 2 year out is essentially a 3 year out.
Way too many holes and less draft picks and less cap space spells disaster.
Putting a rookie in with no weapons, no high draft picks for reinforcements and no cap space is ridiculous.
Those comparing this trade to the Eli trade are not looking at it realistically. The Giants were in good cap heath and held on to their current year 2nd rounder. Added a few pieces in FA and had a solid team. This 2024 team at present has the worst offensive talent in the league. A still unproven OL, no Wrs, a semi retired TE.
Look at what Houston did, they drafted the QB with no trade up, traded up to get a DE and drafted a solid 2nd round WR. Those are 3 rookies at premier positions on rookie contracts for the next 4/5 seasons. The timing of this trade up for the Giants is terrible.
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Pending physical, Dalton Risner will be a Cowboy. 1 year, $7 million deal, full guaranteed. Cowboys intend to move Tyler Smith to LT, allowing Risner to slide in at LG #Dallas Cowboys @BloggingTheBoys
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In the coming days, the Giants will restructure Andrew Thomas's contract and open up $9.5 million in cap space. Intent is to sign WR Corey Davis (pending physical) to a one year deal, and to meet with Safety Julian Blackmon following his visit to the 49ers. @bigblueview... Show more
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The Chiefs - Colts trade involving L'Jarious Sneed is stalled, but not dead. The trade compensation is set at a swap of picks 15 and 32 and a 2025 3rd round pick. The hold up is over the contract the Colts will sign him to. Sneed wants 3 years $75 mill. #Colts @StampedeBlue
Sneed just got traded to Ten Titans, compensation is 2025 3rd-round pick, in addition to a 2024 7th-round pick flop. I guess this Rickey is not legit.
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Pretty Rickey 213 @PrettyRickey214.5h
Pending physical, Dalton Risner will be a Cowboy. 1 year, $7 million deal, full guaranteed. Cowboys intend to move Tyler Smith to LT, allowing Risner to slide in at LG #Dallas Cowboys @BloggingTheBoys
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Pretty Rickey 213 @PrettyRickey.... 6h.
In the coming days, the Giants will restructure Andrew Thomas's contract and open up $9.5 million in cap space. Intent is to sign WR Corey Davis (pending physical) to a one year deal, and to meet with Safety Julian Blackmon following his visit to the 49ers. @bigblueview... Show more
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Pretty Rickey 213 @PrettyRickey.... 7h.
The Chiefs - Colts trade involving L'Jarious Sneed is stalled, but not dead. The trade compensation is set at a swap of picks 15 and 32 and a 2025 3rd round pick. The hold up is over the contract the Colts will sign him to. Sneed wants 3 years $75 mill. #Colts @StampedeBlue
Sneed just got traded to Ten Titans, compensation is 2025 3rd-round pick, in addition to a 2024 7th-round pick flop. I guess this Rickey is not legit.
This guy called it, and Jets getting MWill
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Pretty Rickey 213 @PrettyRickey214.5h
Pending physical, Dalton Risner will be a Cowboy. 1 year, $7 million deal, full guaranteed. Cowboys intend to move Tyler Smith to LT, allowing Risner to slide in at LG #Dallas Cowboys @BloggingTheBoys
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Pretty Rickey 213 @PrettyRickey.... 6h.
In the coming days, the Giants will restructure Andrew Thomas's contract and open up $9.5 million in cap space. Intent is to sign WR Corey Davis (pending physical) to a one year deal, and to meet with Safety Julian Blackmon following his visit to the 49ers. @bigblueview... Show more
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Pretty Rickey 213 @PrettyRickey.... 7h.
The Chiefs - Colts trade involving L'Jarious Sneed is stalled, but not dead. The trade compensation is set at a swap of picks 15 and 32 and a 2025 3rd round pick. The hold up is over the contract the Colts will sign him to. Sneed wants 3 years $75 mill. #Colts @StampedeBlue
Sneed just got traded to Ten Titans, compensation is 2025 3rd-round pick, in addition to a 2024 7th-round pick flop. I guess this Rickey is not legit.
This guy called it, and Jets getting MWill Link - ( New Window )
This guy also says no way the redskins are drafting Daniels. Thinks that’s been made up by the NYG to get Maye to drop.
Of course it could be a total disaster. The draft is a crapshoot. But swing for the fences.
And there isn’t a sure fire franchise guy here. Period. But you keep claiming there is. Not even at 1. You’re posting it over and over doesn’t make it so. It’s almost amazing. We deserve the Giants to suck forever. Which guy did you want. Rosen or Darnold
Capturing the last 10 years in a phrase would be...
"Let's see how he doesn't."
Of course it could be a total disaster. The draft is a crapshoot. But swing for the fences.
Agree with this, but these sentiments suggest you remove risk from potential compensation. For ostensibly the 3rd QB chosen in this draft, and given the history of the very real risk of outcomes drafting any QB at any spot, this is a heavy price to pay when that risk is factored in.
A WR
An Edge
A RT/RG
2nd 2024, a highly regard DT or corner
1st 2025, highly likely top pick in draft
3rs 2025, who knows...top 100 pick.
....trade with a team,that happens to be more desperate for a QB
I say sure draft the QB they want....but on the Giants terms.
See recent reference:
Panthers trade with the Bears.
I will apologize if QB turns out to be Mahomes.
The best part about the Giants....Daboll a "QB whisperer" will believe he can turn any QB with traits into a franchise QB. He will not allow to give up so much.
lol. I'll drive Neal to the airport. Azeez is prolly already hurt anyway!
Of course it could be a total disaster. The draft is a crapshoot. But swing for the fences.
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If it land us a franchise QB, I'll throw in some cash too.
lol. I'll drive Neal to the airport. Azeez is prolly already hurt anyway!
Of course it could be a total disaster. The draft is a crapshoot. But swing for the fences.
This. It doesn't matter what you pay. It only matters if it works. Whether you pay $2 or $10 for the winning lottery ticket makes no difference. On the flip side whether you pay $350K or $400K for a house that burns down without insurance the next day matters, but not nearly as much as the idiocy of buying a house without insurance. This is why the cost to trade into "QB" position is so crazy.
Also don't want to give up on Neal. Want to see him play with hopefully better coaching.
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There is no 'cost too high' for a franchise QB. Its the most important position not only in the league, but probably in sports. If we trade up to 3 & Drake Maye-for example-is a perennial All Pro, no one is going to give AF what it took to get him. Having an elite QB puts you in the conversation to win every fall.
Of course it could be a total disaster. The draft is a crapshoot. But swing for the fences.
Now that I've read the entire thread, it looks like this trade proposal was a FAKE.
Bummer.
As to SFGNC's comment above... it's the one that makes the most sense.
Sure it's an overpay, but if the QB turns out to be a franchise guy. Who cares?
So if we land a Matt Ryan type player it’s worth it for all that? I think i pass
They already had a Jones they got rid of, they don't want another who's way more expensive and constantly injured.
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Way. That is in no way a sane deal.
You people are fucking insanely hysterical. “No way! We can’t give that up!”
The Giants need a QB. No team is just going to hand it to them. Get a clue.
Many to most of the people on this site are mongos. Pay them no mind. sign me up for this deal.
A 1st, a 2nd AND a 3rd is far too much. Plus players?!
6 + next years 1st or 6 + 47 and next years 2nd. Is the very most that kind of trade should cost. I say stay put, don’t trade up OR trade back… get one of those 3 stud WR1’s (Harrison, Nabers, Odunze)
The Jets gave up three 2nd round picks, not two in their trade-up that year for Darnold.
That's the key right there. It still boggles my mind why they don't just stay put and take one of either Daniels or Maye. I guess the weirdness didn't totally leave their building along with Belichick.
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But he has been a terrible player in these two years. Terrible. The Giants' culture for a decade has been to keep terrible players in the hope they'll become good.
It's time for a new approach.
A lot of people though AT was terrible his first two years also. Errick Flowers was a horrible RT, but turned out to be a pretty good OG. There is still a good chance he can be a productive player. Some players take longer than others.
That's not how I remember it at all. Thomas late in his first year and into his second showed a lot of improvement. Neal has shown none.
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trade out of the #3 spot.
That's the key right there. It still boggles my mind why they don't just stay put and take one of either Daniels or Maye. I guess the weirdness didn't totally leave their building along with Belichick.
With their new GM in place, I'm sure they will "listen" to offers. I mean even Chicago hasn't gone on record and said, don't bother submitting all offers we are selecting Caleb Williams (maybe except Dave Gettleman). NE has Jacoby Brissett as their starter, no GM in his right mind builds a team around Brissett as their future starter, especially with NE picking so high in the draft this year.
Interesting observation from Fowler. They may listen, but Washington with a new GM and new coach are in my opinion going QB. Especially in the #2 spot they are lucky enough to be sitting in. This a year when the top 3 picks are all QB needy and it lines up perfectly for them with a good QB class.
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Jeremy Fowler was saying yesterday that from the things he’s heard around the league, it is actually Washington that is more open to trading out rather than NE. I thought that was interesting because it seems like Washington is set on taking a QB. But he said teams are placing calls to Washington and they have been answering the phones
Interesting observation from Fowler. They may listen, but Washington with a new GM and new coach are in my opinion going QB. Especially in the #2 spot they are lucky enough to be sitting in. This a year when the top 3 picks are all QB needy and it lines up perfectly for them with a good QB class.
I agree, I don’t see Washington moving. It was just interesting because it’s the first I had even considered that a possibility. I guess it’s possible Washington has gotten wind of some of the offers being thrown at NE and figured it wouldn’t hurt to listen. It’s also possible they aren’t in love with Daniels or Maye as much as we all assume they are. Speculation was they love Williams but that’s not happening. So maybe now knowing Williams is definitely out of reach they opened the phone lines
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New England has agreed to trade the #3 pick in the 2024 draft, along with a 2025 4th round pick, to the Giants for #6, #47, 2025 1st and 3rd round picks and two players on rookie deals. No confirmation on the players yet, but it is presumed to be Azeez Ojulari and Evan Neal. Stay tuned
Don't worry, it's totally a fake rumor.
This makes no sense to me. I don't think any NFL GM is dumb enough to have their draft board be influenced by reports of what their board is. For what its worth, someone responded to the guy's tweet on this with the same comment and there was no response.
With the NFL Owners, GMs and coaches all getting together for the league meetings this week, I'd expect a lot more reports like this and even more rumors on deals.
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of truth to the rumor, this deal is too much to pay. Would suggest New England can either have #47 or 2025 1st but not both. And just net off the 2025 4th and 2025 3rd rounders going back and forth as that is just noise.
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New England has agreed to trade the #3 pick in the 2024 draft, along with a 2025 4th round pick, to the Giants for #6, #47, 2025 1st and 3rd round picks and two players on rookie deals. No confirmation on the players yet, but it is presumed to be Azeez Ojulari and Evan Neal. Stay tuned
Don't worry, it's totally a fake rumor.
Ok, thanks. Although taking Ojulari and Neal might be doing us a favor actually.
I thought no one could succeed with this OL? Even though we saw that isn’t true in 2023, if it were, Neal would be maybe the biggest reason why. This is the worst OL of all time, remember? 85 sacks!!
But now that his name is throw in a trade rumor that would end our hero’s tenure here - he needs more time. He needs better coaching. Was injured. Hey, Thomas got better.
Accept it. Daniel is done. No amount of narrative shifting on a message board is going to change that.
"Pretty Rickey" to gain some football acumen, you feel me?
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There is no 'cost too high' for a franchise QB. Its the most important position not only in the league, but probably in sports. If we trade up to 3 & Drake Maye-for example-is a perennial All Pro, no one is going to give AF what it took to get him. Having an elite QB puts you in the conversation to win every fall.
Of course it could be a total disaster. The draft is a crapshoot. But swing for the fences.
And there isn’t a sure fire franchise guy here. Period. But you keep claiming there is. Not even at 1. You’re posting it over and over doesn’t make it so. It’s almost amazing. We deserve the Giants to suck forever. Which guy did you want. Rosen or Darnold
Very dumb post. There is no such thing as a “sure fire franchise guy” in any draft at any position. Not ever. But you pay your GM, AGM and your scouts for a reason. If they believe in a guy you go get him.
If you want promises about safety and security call an insurance agent. Football fandom may be too scary for you.
Correct, and this includes WR.
Actually there are 3 hall of Fame WRs sitting there for the taking. /s