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Top QBs of all time

AROCK1000 : 3/22/2024 7:47 pm
SF posted a thread recently asking if Favre was overrated.
I felt obligated to start a new list to see exactly where Favre would fall.
I have him at #15 in my list, have at it folks....

BRADY
MONTANA
UNITAS
MANNING,P.
GRAHAM
BRADSHAW
STAUBACH
MAHOMES
ELWAY
MARINO
RODGERS
BREES
BAUGH
STARR
FAVRE
AIKMAN
LUCKMAN
TARKENTON
YOUNG
SF  
AROCK1000 : 3/22/2024 7:48 pm : link
I forgot MA-HOMIE
thanks for catching it
Peak value or career value?  
81_Great_Dane : 3/22/2024 7:52 pm : link
Peak Favre is ranked too low on this list but this seems more or less right for careeer value. I thought Terry Bradshaw was really, really good but I think peak Favre was much better. I don't know how we can really evaluate Baugh or even Unitas in context with Mahomes.

Otto Graham, consistently underrated.
Amen on Otto Graham.  
Red Dog : 3/22/2024 8:25 pm : link
Very under-rated. Ditto Sammy Baugh.

Tarkington very over-rated.
Ken Stabler  
Darwinian : 3/22/2024 8:29 pm : link
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Brady  
PatersonPlank : 3/22/2024 8:31 pm : link
Elway
Montana
Unitas
Mahomes
Starr
Marino
Bradshaw
Staubach
P Manning
Daniel Jones (just kidding)
Eli and Phil Simms!  
Jack Stroud : 3/22/2024 8:34 pm : link
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Any discussion of ‘all time’ becomes murky because of the changes in  
Spider56 : 3/22/2024 8:48 pm : link
the game. I’m thinking Graham, Baugh and Luckman should be in a different category; and maybe Mahomes should have an asterisk because he’s still ‘in process’ and might turn out to be much higher before all is said and done… just a thought.
Y A Tittle belongs  
yalebowl : 3/22/2024 9:21 pm : link
On the list

I was a Giants fan from the beginning,but I always admired Otto  
Ira : 3/22/2024 9:25 pm : link
Graham. His deep passes were a thing of beauty. This highlights link is for those of you that never saw him play.
Otto Graham Highlights - ( New Window )
If i'm starting a team and all in their prime i'm picking Mahomes 1st  
gtt350 : 3/22/2024 9:55 pm : link
Staubach 2nd
RE: Eli and Phil Simms!  
short lease : 3/22/2024 10:36 pm : link
In comment 16443301 Jack Stroud said:
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What qualifies Marino for that list?  
short lease : 3/22/2024 10:39 pm : link

His release?

Namath had the same release and WON a SB despite being a double digit underdog .... and is not on that list.


This is why I hate lists ....
RE: What qualifies Marino for that list?  
AROCK1000 : 3/22/2024 10:43 pm : link
In comment 16443380 short lease said:
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His release?

Namath had the same release and WON a SB despite being a double digit underdog .... and is not on that list.


This is why I hate lists ....

I always struggle with Marino
Perhaps I get seduced by his arm and total # of yards...but no championship
Where do you rank him?
Ever Hear of a Guy Named Y.A. Tittle?  
clatterbuck : 3/22/2024 10:47 pm : link
He's even in the Hall of Fame.
Y.A.  
AROCK1000 : 3/22/2024 10:50 pm : link
Ok I hear ya...I will take a closer look at his career
AROCK - I am not sure?  
short lease : 3/22/2024 10:52 pm : link
shocked that he wasn't anywhere in that list though. I was born in 1961 and although I was very young in his hey-day (his knees did give out soon after the 1969 season) ... I just remember he was not only dominant during his era but was also a cultural icon "Broadway Joe"

The 19 1⁄2- points underdog American Football League (AFL) champion New York Jets defeated the National Football League (NFL) champion Baltimore Colts by a score of 16–7.


PS. If this was your personal list then I will not argue with you. It is not really quantifiable imo - your opinion is as good as mine. I thought you were posting a list made by the SF Chronicle?
Ira  
AROCK1000 : 3/22/2024 10:52 pm : link
In comment 16443343 Ira said:
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Graham. His deep passes were a thing of beauty. This highlights link is for those of you that never saw him play. Otto Graham Highlights - ( New Window )

I love watching those old clips with that white football...
He had a cannon!!!
Yike - just re-read your question -  
short lease : 3/22/2024 11:00 pm : link
"Where do you rank him?" ... I thought you were talking about Namath?

upon a 2nd reading it looks like you were talking about about Marino. Marino was a fine QB ... HOF stats and deservedly so ... but, it is to hard and I am such a anal, type a person ... if it is not equal across the board and it can never be equal (Different eras = different training techniques, different salaries, Different rules, deferent every-thing ... lol)

It can't be measured accurately ... trying not to shit on your parade here. Sorry.
Namath  
AROCK1000 : 3/22/2024 11:18 pm : link
He had a moment in time
But when comparing careers with the other HOF QBs ..his #s just don't add up
Look at his W/L and TD/INT #s
Short lease  
AROCK1000 : 3/22/2024 11:19 pm : link
In comment 16443396 short lease said:
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"Where do you rank him?" ... I thought you were talking about Namath?

upon a 2nd reading it looks like you were talking about about Marino. Marino was a fine QB ... HOF stats and deservedly so ... but, it is to hard and I am such a anal, type a person ... if it is not equal across the board and it can never be equal (Different eras = different training techniques, different salaries, Different rules, deferent every-thing ... lol)

It can't be measured accurately ... trying not to shit on your parade here. Sorry.

No worries dude
The best QB I saw with my own eyes  
Rudy5757 : 3/22/2024 11:20 pm : link
Was Elway. His team was always good, had the biggest arm and was tough and could run. You can’t just pin wins and losses on a QB.

I think you have Young too low.

While I enjoyed Farve, he took too many risks to be higher on the list. But really fun to watch.
Of the QBs I have seen play...  
bw in dc : 3/22/2024 11:23 pm : link
extensively, I go with:

5. Marino
4. Elway
3. Mahomes
2. Brady
1. Montana
RE: Y.A.  
AROCK1000 : 3/22/2024 11:26 pm : link
In comment 16443390 AROCK1000 said:
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Ok I hear ya...I will take a closer look at his career

Interesting first blush reaction
He is kind of Marino before Marino
YA retired with the most passing yards at the time but had no Championships
Definitely needs a.much closer look for the next list
This website is interesting . . .  
3000_MilesToMeadowlands : 3/22/2024 11:33 pm : link
Take a look

QB HOF Monitor - ( New Window )
Bw  
AROCK1000 : 3/22/2024 11:36 pm : link
In comment 16443409 bw in dc said:
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extensively, I go with:

5. Marino
4. Elway
3. Mahomes
2. Brady
1. Montana

Montana #1
I like it!!!
A historically underrated QB  
mfjmfj : 3/23/2024 7:49 am : link
which Favre is not, would be Jim Kelly. Better than Marino.
I would take him over Favre. Favre was great for 3 or 4 years and only really good for most of the rest of his career. I would rank him similar to Elway.

Had the greatest offense of his era. Consistently successful in the playoffs. 4 times to the SB in a row was unheard of. That they are all losses is a big blemish, but should not erase the rest of his success. One less SB than Favre or Rodgers. Same as Marino.

Plus he called his own plays, which even in that era never happened.

Obviously not in the conversation for GOAT (Brady, Mahomes, Montana) or tier 2 greats (P. Manning, Rodgers, Elway) But he is right behind that. Not saying he is seventh, since I did not include any player I did not watch, but he definitely should be on this list.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/23/2024 8:53 am : link
TB12. Mahomes. Montana. P. Manning. Marino.
RE: If i'm starting a team and all in their prime …  
Trainmaster : 3/23/2024 9:52 am : link
Elway for me.

Cannon arm
Accurate passer
Scrambling ability to extend plays
Running ability behind the LOS
Smart “field general” (I.e. much,much more than game manager)

RE: Ken Stabler  
bluefin : 3/23/2024 10:14 am : link
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This, and Brees is too high - and who’s Young?
RE: RE: Ken Stabler  
Dang Man : 3/23/2024 10:55 am : link
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This, and Brees is too high - and who’s Young?


Assuming Steve Young.

Surprised no mention of Fouts or Moon though others brought up Stabler.
3000 Miles  
AROCK1000 : 3/23/2024 11:08 am : link
In comment 16443418 3000_MilesToMeadowlands said:
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Take a look QB HOF Monitor - ( New Window )

Thanks for that link,it is too stats based,which makes comparing eras nearly impossible...IMHO
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/23/2024 11:14 am : link
Steve Young is criminally underrated IMO. He was a stud at his peak. I believe he won back to back MVPs.
Stabler  
AROCK1000 : 3/23/2024 11:14 am : link
Had a great run in the mid 70's,and was unlucky timing wise to be in the same conference as those great Miami & Pittsburg teams...
1 championship and a bad TD/INT Ratio keeps him from the top 15.
Mahomes  
BigBlueCane : 3/23/2024 11:14 am : link
does not belong on any all time list.

The league he plays in barely resembles what the others achieved greatness in.
RE: Mahomes  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/23/2024 11:36 am : link
In comment 16443639 BigBlueCane said:
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does not belong on any all time list.

The league he plays in barely resembles what the others achieved greatness in.


Can’t tell if sarcasm?
RE: RE: If i'm starting a team and all in their prime …  
bw in dc : 3/23/2024 11:37 am : link
In comment 16443558 Trainmaster said:
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Elway for me.

Cannon arm
Accurate passer
Scrambling ability to extend plays
Running ability behind the LOS
Smart “field general” (I.e. much,much more than game manager)


Great player who could have played in any era. If any QB is underrated, it's Elway.

He's as underrated as Namath is overrated.
Elway  
AROCK1000 : 3/23/2024 12:00 pm : link
I have him at # 9 in my list above,who do you think he should be above?
Daniel Jones has to be in the mix  
averagejoe : 3/23/2024 12:20 pm : link
He had a season with 15 TD passes and won a playoff game on the road.

- DJFC

RE: …  
Optimus-NY : 3/23/2024 2:37 pm : link
In comment 16443637 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Steve Young is criminally underrated IMO. He was a stud at his peak. I believe he won back to back MVPs.


You mean Joe Montana's backup?
Optimus.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/23/2024 2:44 pm : link
Oh, Joe was a superior QB. But Young is an all time great too.
SF  
AROCK1000 : 3/23/2024 2:47 pm : link
In comment 16443639 BigBlueCane said:
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does not belong on any all time list.

The league he plays in barely resembles what the others achieved greatness in.

Mahomes probably will be top 5 when he is done but it's too early in his career to put him their yet
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