having to give a ransom of assets.
In this scenario of mine the Patriots will not trade the pick. After watching "Dynasty" it was apparent that Robert Kraft believes deeply in a Franchise QB and I doubt he will trade away his opportunity to rebuild his team by not drafting one.
That brings us to pick #4, the Cardinals. It is widely assumed that Harrison Jr. will be the pick. However what if they have Harrison, Odunze and Nabers with equal grades and they would be happy with any one of them.
If the Cards trade back with Minnesota or Denver, they couldn't count on one of them being there at pick 11 or 12 although possibly one of them would still be there but that's not a given especially if the Chargers go receiver at #5. Of course the Cards could try to trade up from 11 or 12 to 7 or 8 and get there guy but that would mean a sacrifice of the acquired assets from the Giants and still they would not be sure they could trade up and get there guy as other teams might want to trade up since these receivers are exceptional. Additionally, the teams at 7-10 might not even be willing to trade down and just stay put and make their picks.
A possible scenario the Cards might entertain is they trade back to #6. Shoen may have a bit of leverage here and not have to give too much since the Cards know they could still get their receiver while pocketing the Giants picks 47 and a mid round 25 pick (a guess on my part) and not run the risk of missing out completely on one of the receivers.
Admittedly this is wishful thinking on my part but the notion floated yesterday that the Giants are willing to offer multiple high draft choices and a player or two seems absurd to me. Thoughts?
Don't give up on it, my friend, there is so much good stuff including an absorbing episode on the life and death of Aaron Hernandez as well as the strange case of Malcolm Butler riding the bench during the entire Super Bowl. True, it wasn't kind to BB but it seemed he deserved a lot of criticism
I think the floor Arizona gets is 2 first round picks in value, and up to 3 if they go back to 11.
The most simple outcome is the Giants trade the 6th overall and next year's first round pick to Arizona, and they select a quarterback.
If Nabers blows the doors off his pro day, Arizona might end up with MHJr anyway.
I think the floor Arizona gets is 2 first round picks in value, and up to 3 if they go back to 11.
The most simple outcome is the Giants trade the 6th overall and next year's first round pick to Arizona, and they select a quarterback.
If Nabers blows the doors off his pro day, Arizona might end up with MHJr anyway.
I wouldn't feel too good about the Giants not having a first round pick next year if they finish in the bottom ten.
Thank you for reminding me to continue watching this series. I left off at the conclusion of the Aaron Hernandez episode. That one was quite a doozy, to say the least...
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Won’t matter. We have what other teams needing to move up don’t have, 6th overall.
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Won’t matter. We have what other teams needing to move up don’t have, 6th overall.
Not the point.
The Cards for sure. Unless you think they are going to dump Murray for a QB?
At top 4 in draft don't teams either take a QB or take BPA? Well, the BPA other than the QB's is the WR crew from everything most of us have heard imo. Have you heard anything other?
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The Cards and Chargers want a top WR?
The Cards for sure. Unless you think they are going to dump Murray for a QB?
At top 4 in draft don't teams either take a QB or take BPA? Well, the BPA other than the QB's is the WR crew from everything most of us have heard imo. Have you heard anything other?
Both teams have holes particularly up front. A trade down for either team would allow them to address that plus still get a decent WR prospect.
If I’m the Chargers, I’m taking the Vikings trade package all day if it includes both firsts plus futures. Fuaga/Fautanu/Mims + Thomas/Worthy/Franklin is way better than just Harrison or Odunze at 5.
Teams drafting ahead of us need more than one player. I am sure they could use a ransom of assets.
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The Cards and Chargers want a top WR?
The Cards for sure. Unless you think they are going to dump Murray for a QB?
At top 4 in draft don't teams either take a QB or take BPA? Well, the BPA other than the QB's is the WR crew from everything most of us have heard imo. Have you heard anything other?
Both teams have holes particularly up front. A trade down for either team would allow them to address that plus still get a decent WR prospect.
If I’m the Chargers, I’m taking the Vikings trade package all day if it includes both firsts plus futures. Fuaga/Fautanu/Mims + Thomas/Worthy/Franklin is way better than just Harrison or Odunze at 5.
I don't know about the Chargers. I was referring to The Cards. The 3d and 4th picks are dependent as well for Chargers too which ofc we know.
Anyhow, for Chargers that could be amazing for them as you suggest. The thing is -- when their pick comes up - MHV will probably not be on their board. Thus, the noise about the 2nd WR being near even with MHV could be all noise with very, very small dissent that either are better than MHV.
But as the Cards was my point, the vast majorirty has MHV as someone comparable or maybe even superior to Chase vs when he came out. So,, unless you are going to dump the QB, and you have 6 other picks between rd 1 and 104 in rd 4, if you (The GM) can't improve your team with this many picks - then you are in the wrong business.
Frankly, I'm not a fan of Murray. Assuming Cards are, then I would get the WR that is "Chase' or better. If I really believe in Murray - how is it that my Offense wouldn't be very strong with a supposed good QB and an off-the-charts WR in which the Cards were also a good rushing team last year I believe as well?
With so much potential on Offense with just one pick, why would you risk it (if you were a GM) when you have up to 6 others within 104 to address the other holes? Second and 3rd rd picks can be good too. A massive hole exists right now for the Cards at WR too. Massive.
And if the other two WR are rated on my board if I were a GM at near the same as MHV-- then I'd have to believe other teams think so too. So, I would only trade out of 4 to no more than 6 which would assure I get a "Chase type" of WR for my supposod star QB. (As a non-card fan I would look to dump Murray but that is not the point.).
2. Does the trade down team want a top target over extra draft capital
3. Are we willing to overpay to give the trade down team extra draft capital and a top target?