buffalo played the giants in week 2 his rookie year and i remember him seeming contained on a few runs that he then made nifty cuts and gained chunk yards on. he looked like he had a really bright future in buffalo.
the problem was he does have real athletic limitations (starting with size/speed) and he wasnt great in the passing game (protecting or catching). so he's going to have to prove last year wasnt an aberration and he can hold up with a bigger workload and without fumbling.
About him other than what he is not, and apparently that is a receiving back. Interesting to me because it could mean the Giants are moving away from that type of RB in the offense or they could be targeting a pass catching type in the draft.
I dont think he can be an every down back so we definitely need another decent alternative to split carries. I expect he will have a better YPC than Barkley and be right around 800-900 yards rushing and about 200-300 Rec yards. Thats his general average.
of when they had Bradshaw and Jacobs. He can fulfill roles and isn't expensive. I think he's a good use of their free agency money. If his YPC keeps up he will be great but that also probably depends on the OL, which is where they needed to put money. Shame Gray didn't look better last year, they probably still need another back.
This. The team is moving towards a focus on a running game opposed to a running back. He was a smart piece to the RB group, but need more. I wouldn’t mind bringing Brieida back.
I picked him up half way in my FF league season. He became a reliable point getter averaging 14.5 ppg helping me make the playoffs. I will draft him again this season as a RB 3.
The guy we keep trying to draft on Day 3 but never quite seem to get. He was shifty and clever in his Buf days and pretty good all-around.
With any post-rookie RB contract there’s a risk that his body’s taken too much punishment over the years and athleticism or physicality may not be what it once was.
Can we dump this phrase. Just say you have no clue because you never seen him play. He’s a starting caliber running back. He’s a good player reliable. Tough runner and physical. I think people always gave up on gray but behind a better line he’ll show his value. Makes guys miss in short area. I think we need a bruiser like others have said but this group isn’t bad at all.
And I never understood why he didn’t get all the snaps at RB
He’s a solid back who should have been a 1,000 yard back by now. He has good vision and pad level, good burst and is a solid blocker. He lacks break away speed but he’s elusive in traffic.
He’ll never be a top ten back in the league but he’s a starter quality back who would be the perfect compliment to a pass first offense.
Living upstate, I've seen several Buffalo games. He had good games and games where he was not productive. They went out and got Cook to replace him and traded Moss for Hynes.
So I dont think they thought he was a game breaker. Allen was that for Buffalo in the running game.
Love the signing. No doubt they ll go to a more multiple
how overrated Barkley is. Singletary is a decent back and he will show he is just as effective as Barkley at a fraction of the price. Would love a tandem of Singletary and Trey Benson.
of Jones or Barkley. I think they are both flawed players who do different things to hurt an offense. Looking forward to an offense with a different QB and different RBs. I also think the offensive line struggles were made worse by these two guys.
I'm glad Singletary is the player Schoen found. It is also an indication that the makeup of the team offence won't be focused on the backfield as much as it was with the former #26. I still think they need another RB, but now that it's closer to the Draft their focus should be on WR's.
Tougher runner than size would have you believe and doesn't waste time/shy away rom contact between the tackles. Ideally they find a hungry overacheiving mid rounder to pair him with.
Singletary is a good first-half player. As long as the game is close,
He can do most of what you need. If you get into the second half with a slim lead, he isn’t the back you want in there to control the clock and if you get into the second half and playing catch up, he isn’t the back you want in when you are throwing the ball on every down.
So, unfortunately, you probably need 2 other backs to complete the skill set of your backfield. His statistics will be good because of the things he can’t do and won’t be asked to do.
Opposing DC worried about Barkley. No DC worries about Singletary
I get the cost factor but I would Rather have the much better player
Much better player based on what? Singletary has more rushing yards over the last 5 years on less carries. The receiving yards are in Saquon's favor. But looking at the numbers you definitely can't say Saquon is a much better player.
but cannot carry the load. It’ll have to be RBBC. Gray might look better this year too. I could see them looking at the later rounds in the draft to get someone to be that change of pace type of back.
He will do just fine. Need to add another RB to the committee
He doesn’t have Saquon’s explosiveness, but he’ll get tough yards, he’s a dependable receiver, and pass protector. I agree that he would best be paired with a bruiser-type RB.
Opposing DC worried about Barkley. No DC worries about Singletary
I get the cost factor but I would Rather have the much better player
Much better player based on what? Singletary has more rushing yards over the last 5 years on less carries. The receiving yards are in Saquon's favor. But looking at the numbers you definitely can't say Saquon is a much better player.
that is a double edged sword though, because it shows singletary is the more consistent take what's there 3-5 yard runner, barkley the bigger threat to break off chunks.
barkley also a lot less fumbles and better in pass pro.
barkley is the better player the question is if the difference in cost allows them to get better someplace else that they win more. i dont think singletary makes a lot of the plays barkley made over the last couple years that helped them win games (like the 2 point conversion against TEN, or the chunk catch vs GB, or the 35 carries vs houston against stacked box, or the long td vs min, or the TD catch vs AZ etc).
RE: big rick - the stat that will show most difference is big plays (20+)
that is a double edged sword though, because it shows singletary is the more consistent take what's there 3-5 yard runner, barkley the bigger threat to break off chunks.
barkley also a lot less fumbles and better in pass pro.
barkley is the better player the question is if the difference in cost allows them to get better someplace else that they win more. i dont think singletary makes a lot of the plays barkley made over the last couple years that helped them win games (like the 2 point conversion against TEN, or the chunk catch vs GB, or the 35 carries vs houston against stacked box, or the long td vs min, or the TD catch vs AZ etc).
But Barkley also misses more games and has far more wear and tear.
RE: RE: big rick - the stat that will show most difference is big plays (20+)
that is a double edged sword though, because it shows singletary is the more consistent take what's there 3-5 yard runner, barkley the bigger threat to break off chunks.
barkley also a lot less fumbles and better in pass pro.
barkley is the better player the question is if the difference in cost allows them to get better someplace else that they win more. i dont think singletary makes a lot of the plays barkley made over the last couple years that helped them win games (like the 2 point conversion against TEN, or the chunk catch vs GB, or the 35 carries vs houston against stacked box, or the long td vs min, or the TD catch vs AZ etc).
But Barkley also misses more games and has far more wear and tear.
that's true but part of the risk is we dont know how singletary will handle the more wear and tear nyg may need out of him. last year was his only year over 200 carries. there's a reason that's the case even though he's always been a pretty good player - he is 5'7 203 pounds. for many of those years he had fumbling issues even in less carries and has not surprisingly based on his size has never been good in pass pro.
that's why buffalo added zack moss and james cook on day 2 while they had singletary. id be pretty surprised if the nyg dont add another veteran RB or draft a RB in the top 120 or so.
Much better player based on what? Singletary has more rushing yards over the last 5 years on less carries. The receiving yards are in Saquon's favor. But looking at the numbers you definitely can't say Saquon is a much better player.
It's probably safe to conclude, however, that Barkley makes DCs more uncomfortable than Singletary. That has a ripple effect. If we were a good team, we could exploit that ripple effect considerably more. But that's another story.
To the OP, Singletary is a good complimentary RB in the NFL. A player for the RBBC approach. So, we need to add to that committee. Singletary is not a bell cow.
in 4 years in buffalo he had 10 fumbles in about 650 carries
i think that's a big reason why buffalo was willing to let him walk even as they had already moved on from zack moss. barkley only has 4 career fumbles in 1200 carries.
last year there was a reversal in the trend - singletary only had 1 fumble in 216 carries last year (and barkley had his worst fumbling year with 2 in 250), but singletary's career numbers are now 11 fumbles in 888 carries (1 in every 80 carries), which by rate is about 4x more frequent than barkley fumbles (1 in every 300 carries).
the open market dictated singletary getting about 1/2 the $ barkley got for reasons. that isnt to say it was the wrong decision but there are a handful of things barkley has done better than him. ball security, workload volume, big plays among them.
Much better player based on what? Singletary has more rushing yards over the last 5 years on less carries. The receiving yards are in Saquon's favor. But looking at the numbers you definitely can't say Saquon is a much better player.
It's probably safe to conclude, however, that Barkley makes DCs more uncomfortable than Singletary. That has a ripple effect. If we were a good team, we could exploit that ripple effect considerably more. But that's another story.
To the OP, Singletary is a good complimentary RB in the NFL. A player for the RBBC approach. So, we need to add to that committee. Singletary is not a bell cow.
correct- they have to add another player capable of playing well in 100+ carries. clyde edwards helaire is a guy id be interested in at a VSB. wouldnt hate rashaad penny either because he is always hurt.
how overrated Barkley is. Singletary is a decent back and he will show he is just as effective as Barkley at a fraction of the price. Would love a tandem of Singletary and Trey Benson.
Well I think the Eagles would beg to differ..
I think DS effectiveness will depend on the new OL coach and the 2 new signings. If the combination upgrades the quality then DS will be fine...
Ideally, they add a pounder....to grind yards at end of game.
That's all he said. :)
You're right. But we should be able to snag 1 in the draft. Doesn't need to be a stud. Enough to spell Singletary.
Ideally, they add a pounder....to grind yards at end of game.
the problem was he does have real athletic limitations (starting with size/speed) and he wasnt great in the passing game (protecting or catching). so he's going to have to prove last year wasnt an aberration and he can hold up with a bigger workload and without fumbling.
It's a very thin position and needs attention.
With any post-rookie RB contract there’s a risk that his body’s taken too much punishment over the years and athleticism or physicality may not be what it once was.
Can we dump this phrase. Just say you have no clue because you never seen him play. He’s a starting caliber running back. He’s a good player reliable. Tough runner and physical. I think people always gave up on gray but behind a better line he’ll show his value. Makes guys miss in short area. I think we need a bruiser like others have said but this group isn’t bad at all.
He’s a solid back who should have been a 1,000 yard back by now. He has good vision and pad level, good burst and is a solid blocker. He lacks break away speed but he’s elusive in traffic.
He’ll never be a top ten back in the league but he’s a starter quality back who would be the perfect compliment to a pass first offense.
I’ve always liked him.
So I dont think they thought he was a game breaker. Allen was that for Buffalo in the running game.
. Doesn't need to be a stud. Enough to spell Singletary.
They'll be lucky to find one that can spell their own name.
(sorry, couldn't resist)
I get the cost factor but I would Rather have the much better player
I think this is exactly what they were looking for in a RB. Fix the line, be able to get 5 yards on 1st or 2nd down and have 2nd or 3rd and short.
But get a Corum in the draft and that pair will cook!
So, unfortunately, you probably need 2 other backs to complete the skill set of your backfield. His statistics will be good because of the things he can’t do and won’t be asked to do.
Adding a RB late in the draft to add to the mix would be ideal but not necessary.
I get the cost factor but I would Rather have the much better player
Much better player based on what? Singletary has more rushing yards over the last 5 years on less carries. The receiving yards are in Saquon's favor. But looking at the numbers you definitely can't say Saquon is a much better player.
Saquon
940 carries
3904 yards
4.1 yards per carry
24 TDs
197 catches
1379 receiving yards
7 yards per catch
8 TDs
Singletary
888 carries
4049 yards
4.6 yards per carry
20 TDs
175 catches
1164 receiving yards
6.7 yards per reception
4 TDs
Not a lot of picks this year but some good prospects to grab maybe in a Rd 3 to further supplement the unit. Breida and Brightwell need pink slips.
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Opposing DC worried about Barkley. No DC worries about Singletary
I get the cost factor but I would Rather have the much better player
Much better player based on what? Singletary has more rushing yards over the last 5 years on less carries. The receiving yards are in Saquon's favor. But looking at the numbers you definitely can't say Saquon is a much better player.
Saquon
940 carries
3904 yards
4.1 yards per carry
24 TDs
197 catches
1379 receiving yards
7 yards per catch
8 TDs
Singletary
888 carries
4049 yards
4.6 yards per carry
20 TDs
175 catches
1164 receiving yards
6.7 yards per reception
4 TDs
Those numbers are pretty startling.
barkley also a lot less fumbles and better in pass pro.
barkley is the better player the question is if the difference in cost allows them to get better someplace else that they win more. i dont think singletary makes a lot of the plays barkley made over the last couple years that helped them win games (like the 2 point conversion against TEN, or the chunk catch vs GB, or the 35 carries vs houston against stacked box, or the long td vs min, or the TD catch vs AZ etc).
barkley also a lot less fumbles and better in pass pro.
barkley is the better player the question is if the difference in cost allows them to get better someplace else that they win more. i dont think singletary makes a lot of the plays barkley made over the last couple years that helped them win games (like the 2 point conversion against TEN, or the chunk catch vs GB, or the 35 carries vs houston against stacked box, or the long td vs min, or the TD catch vs AZ etc).
But Barkley also misses more games and has far more wear and tear.
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that is a double edged sword though, because it shows singletary is the more consistent take what's there 3-5 yard runner, barkley the bigger threat to break off chunks.
barkley also a lot less fumbles and better in pass pro.
barkley is the better player the question is if the difference in cost allows them to get better someplace else that they win more. i dont think singletary makes a lot of the plays barkley made over the last couple years that helped them win games (like the 2 point conversion against TEN, or the chunk catch vs GB, or the 35 carries vs houston against stacked box, or the long td vs min, or the TD catch vs AZ etc).
But Barkley also misses more games and has far more wear and tear.
that's true but part of the risk is we dont know how singletary will handle the more wear and tear nyg may need out of him. last year was his only year over 200 carries. there's a reason that's the case even though he's always been a pretty good player - he is 5'7 203 pounds. for many of those years he had fumbling issues even in less carries and has not surprisingly based on his size has never been good in pass pro.
that's why buffalo added zack moss and james cook on day 2 while they had singletary. id be pretty surprised if the nyg dont add another veteran RB or draft a RB in the top 120 or so.
Much better player based on what? Singletary has more rushing yards over the last 5 years on less carries. The receiving yards are in Saquon's favor. But looking at the numbers you definitely can't say Saquon is a much better player.
Saquon
940 carries
3904 yards
4.1 yards per carry
24 TDs
197 catches
1379 receiving yards
7 yards per catch
8 TDs
Singletary
888 carries
4049 yards
4.6 yards per carry
20 TDs
175 catches
1164 receiving yards
6.7 yards per reception
4 TDs
Nice work. And telling.
It's probably safe to conclude, however, that Barkley makes DCs more uncomfortable than Singletary. That has a ripple effect. If we were a good team, we could exploit that ripple effect considerably more. But that's another story.
To the OP, Singletary is a good complimentary RB in the NFL. A player for the RBBC approach. So, we need to add to that committee. Singletary is not a bell cow.
last year there was a reversal in the trend - singletary only had 1 fumble in 216 carries last year (and barkley had his worst fumbling year with 2 in 250), but singletary's career numbers are now 11 fumbles in 888 carries (1 in every 80 carries), which by rate is about 4x more frequent than barkley fumbles (1 in every 300 carries).
the open market dictated singletary getting about 1/2 the $ barkley got for reasons. that isnt to say it was the wrong decision but there are a handful of things barkley has done better than him. ball security, workload volume, big plays among them.
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Much better player based on what? Singletary has more rushing yards over the last 5 years on less carries. The receiving yards are in Saquon's favor. But looking at the numbers you definitely can't say Saquon is a much better player.
Saquon
940 carries
3904 yards
4.1 yards per carry
24 TDs
197 catches
1379 receiving yards
7 yards per catch
8 TDs
Singletary
888 carries
4049 yards
4.6 yards per carry
20 TDs
175 catches
1164 receiving yards
6.7 yards per reception
4 TDs
Nice work. And telling.
It's probably safe to conclude, however, that Barkley makes DCs more uncomfortable than Singletary. That has a ripple effect. If we were a good team, we could exploit that ripple effect considerably more. But that's another story.
To the OP, Singletary is a good complimentary RB in the NFL. A player for the RBBC approach. So, we need to add to that committee. Singletary is not a bell cow.
correct- they have to add another player capable of playing well in 100+ carries. clyde edwards helaire is a guy id be interested in at a VSB. wouldnt hate rashaad penny either because he is always hurt.
Well I think the Eagles would beg to differ..
I think DS effectiveness will depend on the new OL coach and the 2 new signings. If the combination upgrades the quality then DS will be fine...
One thing pretty clear about the 2023 Barkley is he didn't have that breakaway speed any longer.
Last year he had 7 20+ yard plays, but turned 0 into 40 yard plays.
That's not a product of the offensive line, that's a player becoming less dangerous as he ages.