Solid, but very average back. Buffalo was always looking to upgrade when he and moss were there. They found that with Cook. Who knows what the line will be like this year's, but he'd have struggled mightily in the years prior. I'd rather have gone the draft route than pay him
Solid, pretty dependable back who gets yards but doesn't make big plays.
He's far better than anyone else on the GIANTS right now, but I agree that the G-men need a real ground pounder to share the load and handle short yardage situations
But I like him, especially if they can get a back who complements him well in the draft.
Watching him, something I noticed is he can really make guys miss with quick cut and juke moves. He doesn’t have breakaway speed, but he’s very quick. Reminds me a bit of Bradshaw, though I think Bradshaw was a bit more physical.
He doesn’t have breakaway speed, but he’s very quick. Reminds me a bit of Bradshaw, though I think Bradshaw was a bit more physical.
Yeah Bradshaw never seemed to go down from the first hit. He had amazing balance on contact, I think it was his "duck feet", which also helped with his shiftiness (at least that's how it appeared to me, I'm not a podiatrist, I could be totally off base). I saw the same thing in the way Marshawn Lynch ran.
2018 Barkley was incredible, he had 16 20+ yard plays, including 7 he turned 40+ yards.
One thing pretty clear about the 2023 Barkley is he didn't have that breakaway speed any longer.
Last year he had 7 20+ yard plays, but turned 0 into 40 yard plays.
That's not a product of the offensive line, that's a player becoming less dangerous as he ages.
This is what stood out to me, even in 2022. He's not the same back. To be honest, even though I expect him to do well in Philly, it was the right decision to move on (we should have done it earlier).
The optimist in me sees some of the same qualities…
… that made me love late-career Tiki Barber, after Tiki lost a step or two and learned to protect the football and his body. Singletary never had the extra gear of a young Barber (or Barkley). On paper, he is too small and too slow; but he has overachieved relative to his physical gifts from the moment he put on a uniform at FAU. No reason that should change now, as long as the line does a decent job in front of him.
definitely a better value than barkley the overrated
….whose explosion is gone. Barkley may have another year of good stats left but i don’t think he’s going to do anything special. at 40pctmof the price you get 90 pct of the game.
A big benefit is no longer having to endure the fiction that Barkley is a great player. I'm already looking forward to the 2024 Giants more than any version in the past several years.
2018 Barkley was incredible, he had 16 20+ yard plays, including 7 he turned 40+ yards.
One thing pretty clear about the 2023 Barkley is he didn't have that breakaway speed any longer.
Last year he had 7 20+ yard plays, but turned 0 into 40 yard plays.
That's not a product of the offensive line, that's a player becoming less dangerous as he ages.
This is what stood out to me, even in 2022. He's not the same back. To be honest, even though I expect him to do well in Philly, it was the right decision to move on (we should have done it earlier).
Yup. I wouldn't be surprised if year 7 Barkley has a nice season, but I'd be shocked if year 8 Barkley does.
This feels like classic year early than year late stuff.
I do think Schoen should have considered franchising Barkley again this year, but that's done and gone.
Opposing DC worried about Barkley. No DC worries about Singletary
I get the cost factor but I would Rather have the much better player
He's a decent back, who, by the way, averages more yards per carry than Barkley. Do I think he is better than Barkley? No. But, I do feel he can give us quality touches with another back to take on some of the load. He certainly isn't Barkley from 2018 or 2022. But, he matches Barkley from other seasons.
have the other half. If he's the best RB on the roster by a wide margin, then we've downgraded. If we find the other half of the committee and he's about as good as Singletary, then it might be a net gain over Barkley. But you need two guys ti replace Barkley.
Opposing DC worried about Barkley. No DC worries about Singletary
I get the cost factor but I would Rather have the much better player
They worried about Barkley because there was nobody else to focus on besides him. You add a Nabers or Odunze to the lineup and they would be the focus. Not a RB.
Singletary actually faced more 8-men+ boxes (23.15% of his rushes vs. 14.98% for Saquon), and was more efficient (3.71 next gen efficiency vs. 3.85 for Saquon)
Also, the Texans run blocking was not much better than the Giants. Their RBWR was 70% to the Giants' 69%.
Barkley relied heavily on gap-pulling runs (power, counter and traps) (4.52 ypc to Singletary's 3.92 ypc), but Singletary was a much more proficient gap (4.23 ypc to Barkley's 4.13 ypc) and zone (4.42 ypc to Barkley's 2.1 ypc) runner.
I'm curious how this will translate and if the Giants want to change their approach in the run game.
Opposing DC worried about Barkley. No DC worries about Singletary
I get the cost factor but I would Rather have the much better player
Much better player based on what? Singletary has more rushing yards over the last 5 years on less carries. The receiving yards are in Saquon's favor. But looking at the numbers you definitely can't say Saquon is a much better player.
Opposing DC worried about Barkley. No DC worries about Singletary
I get the cost factor but I would Rather have the much better player
Much better player based on what? Singletary has more rushing yards over the last 5 years on less carries. The receiving yards are in Saquon's favor. But looking at the numbers you definitely can't say Saquon is a much better player.
Not really... He is running behind good OL in Buffalo with an amazing QB so you can't stack the box. Same last year by the time he was starting CJ Stroud was throwing the ball all over the field. They had a good OL and couldn't stack the box. Then you go to the Giants and we have a bad OL and no QB... You swap places for these two and the numbers would look much better for Barkley and worse for Singletary. I still like how Singletary runs though which might be good for us as he will get the most out of carries.
Ideally, they add a pounder....to grind yards at end of game.
Agreed.
He's far better than anyone else on the GIANTS right now, but I agree that the G-men need a real ground pounder to share the load and handle short yardage situations
Watching him, something I noticed is he can really make guys miss with quick cut and juke moves. He doesn’t have breakaway speed, but he’s very quick. Reminds me a bit of Bradshaw, though I think Bradshaw was a bit more physical.
One thing pretty clear about the 2023 Barkley is he didn't have that breakaway speed any longer.
Last year he had 7 20+ yard plays, but turned 0 into 40 yard plays.
That's not a product of the offensive line, that's a player becoming less dangerous as he ages.
This is what stood out to me, even in 2022. He's not the same back. To be honest, even though I expect him to do well in Philly, it was the right decision to move on (we should have done it earlier).
A big benefit is no longer having to endure the fiction that Barkley is a great player. I'm already looking forward to the 2024 Giants more than any version in the past several years.
They have to add one or two more though, even though blocking better will make a huge difference for every is running.
One thing pretty clear about the 2023 Barkley is he didn't have that breakaway speed any longer.
Last year he had 7 20+ yard plays, but turned 0 into 40 yard plays.
That's not a product of the offensive line, that's a player becoming less dangerous as he ages.
This is what stood out to me, even in 2022. He's not the same back. To be honest, even though I expect him to do well in Philly, it was the right decision to move on (we should have done it earlier).
Yup. I wouldn't be surprised if year 7 Barkley has a nice season, but I'd be shocked if year 8 Barkley does.
This feels like classic year early than year late stuff.
I do think Schoen should have considered franchising Barkley again this year, but that's done and gone.
I get the cost factor but I would Rather have the much better player
We need a starting RB.
I get the cost factor but I would Rather have the much better player
They worried about Barkley because there was nobody else to focus on besides him. You add a Nabers or Odunze to the lineup and they would be the focus. Not a RB.
Also, the Texans run blocking was not much better than the Giants. Their RBWR was 70% to the Giants' 69%.
Barkley relied heavily on gap-pulling runs (power, counter and traps) (4.52 ypc to Singletary's 3.92 ypc), but Singletary was a much more proficient gap (4.23 ypc to Barkley's 4.13 ypc) and zone (4.42 ypc to Barkley's 2.1 ypc) runner.
I'm curious how this will translate and if the Giants want to change their approach in the run game.
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Opposing DC worried about Barkley. No DC worries about Singletary
I get the cost factor but I would Rather have the much better player
Much better player based on what? Singletary has more rushing yards over the last 5 years on less carries. The receiving yards are in Saquon's favor. But looking at the numbers you definitely can't say Saquon is a much better player.
Saquon
940 carries
3904 yards
4.1 yards per carry
24 TDs
197 catches
1379 receiving yards
7 yards per catch
8 TDs
Singletary
888 carries
4049 yards
4.6 yards per carry
20 TDs
175 catches
1164 receiving yards
6.7 yards per reception
4 TDs
Those numbers are pretty startling.
For their career they both average 4.9 yards per touch.
But Barkley has averaged 20.1 touches per game vs Singletary at 13.6.
Their production has been very similar overall, Barkley has just been featured more.
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Opposing DC worried about Barkley. No DC worries about Singletary
I get the cost factor but I would Rather have the much better player
Much better player based on what? Singletary has more rushing yards over the last 5 years on less carries. The receiving yards are in Saquon's favor. But looking at the numbers you definitely can't say Saquon is a much better player.
Saquon
940 carries
3904 yards
4.1 yards per carry
24 TDs
197 catches
1379 receiving yards
7 yards per catch
8 TDs
Singletary
888 carries
4049 yards
4.6 yards per carry
20 TDs
175 catches
1164 receiving yards
6.7 yards per reception
4 TDs
Those numbers are pretty startling.
Not really... He is running behind good OL in Buffalo with an amazing QB so you can't stack the box. Same last year by the time he was starting CJ Stroud was throwing the ball all over the field. They had a good OL and couldn't stack the box. Then you go to the Giants and we have a bad OL and no QB... You swap places for these two and the numbers would look much better for Barkley and worse for Singletary. I still like how Singletary runs though which might be good for us as he will get the most out of carries.
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