If you are the Pats and you like McCarthy more than Maye

You have to think NYG has their value board set by now, maybe some tweaking still, but with all the chatter of trying to move up with MN and NYG, they must have multiple QB’s ranks pretty high.

Maye might be ranked higher by MN, NYG may like JJM more, NE may be hoping JD falls to them, but may take the next highest QB.

It is very possible JJM is drafted by NE. Schoen must find out how possible it is the move up to get QB 4 with both AZ and LAC long before draft night.

for several scenarios, like the Giants and Bills had last year. Personally with so many QBs in play and so many teams in pursuit I don't think we'll see a trade before draft night.

what NE would do as well versus getting grabby for extra picks. Have to assume your franchise QB evaluation is worth more than taking on extra risk.

This would be very helpful to the NY Giants cause.

when the Vikes, Broncos and maybe someone else could make a trade with AZ or LAC to get ahead of the Pats?

is the possibility of the Giants, at #6, losing out on all 4 of the higher rated QBs. There is no way the Pats should take such a risk by dropping to 6th, if they want McCarthy.

You don’t take the risk of a trade down as some teams have shown a willingness to trade up and Arizona traded around a lot last year.

since you have a known QB hungry team (with assets) trying to maneuver up - Minn. You could probably could have taken the chance if Minn was not lurking. This was the same NYG dilemma with Jones - at the time.

Not if they plan on drafting McCarthy. Someone will trade up to get him. The only way NE does that deal is if they are just as happy going in a different direction, such as drafting Alt or Nabers as McCarthy. But most likely they want the QB.

Trading down. Maybe if the #4 team guarantees them that they won’t take the QB that the Pats really want. Other than that, there is no reason to take the risk.

You don't gamble like that. You stick @ 3 & take the QB.

are all falling into a trap thinking these teams will lazily force a “QB need” pick and they love all the QBs.

I don’t think we should be so quick to assume teams like Pats (even Giants) like all these QBs.

Don’t overthink it. Let’s say they trade their pick to NYG, how do they know that Minny won’t jump them to take JJM?

In comment 16444442 Sammo85 said:

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are all falling into a trap thinking these teams will lazily force a “QB need” pick and they love all the QBs. I don’t think we should be so quick to assume teams like Pats (even Giants) like all these QBs.

i agree, but based on what they've done so far it certainly looks that way. signing brissett to a 1 year deal is not what you do if you think you may wait until April 2025 to find your QB.

this happened to be a year where there were some decent starter level QBs out there cheap too. Russ, Fields, even Minshew/Jimmy G.

In comment 16444409 j_rud said:

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for several scenarios, like the Giants and Bills had last year. Personally with so many QBs in play and so many teams in pursuit I don't think we'll see a trade before draft night.

This is what I believe as well.

To answer the OP, any team that wants a particular QB must take him if he's available at their pick.

About specific trade scenarios assume something that is not correct - that the team moving up discloses the specific player they will take. I don’t believe that happens.

What we saw from the behind the scenes videos of the Giants’ trades were “we are going offense” or “we’re going defense.” I don’t believe you can effectively negotiate when you have to say “We want Drake Maye with that pick” so the other team knows your specific motivation prior to agreeing to deal it.

In comment 16444415 section125 said:

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when the Vikes, Broncos and maybe someone else could make a trade with AZ or LAC to get ahead of the Pats?

Agreed. You don't trade down and risk losing your franchise QB.

Don't dick around. Not with a QB. NE should just go for it. Too many variables involved.

In comment 16444500 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 16444442 Sammo85 said: Quote: are all falling into a trap thinking these teams will lazily force a “QB need” pick and they love all the QBs. I don’t think we should be so quick to assume teams like Pats (even Giants) like all these QBs. i agree, but based on what they've done so far it certainly looks that way. signing brissett to a 1 year deal is not what you do if you think you may wait until April 2025 to find your QB. this happened to be a year where there were some decent starter level QBs out there cheap too. Russ, Fields, even Minshew/Jimmy G.

It might but to be honest they knew Brissett from before and were forcing themselves trading Mac Jones into a situation they had to add a QB. Jimmy Gs stock has plummeted big time and including the PED issue now so that reunion didn’t make sense. Better to add a cheap known commodity on short term than a bigger risk like Fields and Wilson (neither of whom were interested apparently in Pats anyway).

Given rebuild spot I don’t think they had a lot of mutual interest in QBs coming to a situation where the next two years could be real ugly.

Pats are a threat to take a QB. But they are one of few teams where there’s enough of a 50/50 feel where it seems they might not be in love with the QBs and the situation they’d be bringing couple of ones into and might be ok building roster a little bit first and not burn a rookie QB cap timeline too early.

Their trenches situation is horrendous, even with resigning Onwenu.

They will take him at 3. If they have Nix in the same tier or they prefer a haul plus Alt or Odunze or Nabers then they trade down.

I have a gut feeling JJM might be the apple of several qb needy team's eye. Hopefully not the Patriots though.

the perspectives of the Giants and the Cards. If the Giants were picking 5th instead of 6th, it would make a deal between the two teams almost perfect in this scenario. This would be because Cowden from the Giants and Ossenfort from the Cards are old buds from their Titans days. they could EASILY work out a deal in which the Cards get their guy--MHJr--and the Giants theirs---Maye--without batting an eye. The Chargers being at 5 complicates things with the thirsty for a QB Vikings at 11 and 23 looking to move up.

My question is this regarding the Cards: Would they be willing to exchange Nabers for MHJr?

In comment 16444645 Optimus-NY said:

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the perspectives of the Giants and the Cards. If the Giants were picking 5th instead of 6th, it would make a deal between the two teams almost perfect in this scenario. This would be because Cowden from the Giants and Ossenfort from the Cards are old buds from their Titans days. they could EASILY work out a deal in which the Cards get their guy--MHJr--and the Giants theirs---Maye--without batting an eye. The Chargers being at 5 complicates things with the thirsty for a QB Vikings at 11 and 23 looking to move up. My question is this regarding the Cards: Would they be willing to exchange Nabers for MHJr?

I doubt it.

In comment 16444651 GFAN52 said:

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In comment 16444645 Optimus-NY said: Quote: the perspectives of the Giants and the Cards. If the Giants were picking 5th instead of 6th, it would make a deal between the two teams almost perfect in this scenario. This would be because Cowden from the Giants and Ossenfort from the Cards are old buds from their Titans days. they could EASILY work out a deal in which the Cards get their guy--MHJr--and the Giants theirs---Maye--without batting an eye. The Chargers being at 5 complicates things with the thirsty for a QB Vikings at 11 and 23 looking to move up. My question is this regarding the Cards: Would they be willing to exchange Nabers for MHJr? I doubt it.

Agreed. MHJr is a slam dunk. Nabers already worries me with his off the field behavior.