It's becoming harder for me to have a strong opinion (or any opinion at all) on how the Giants should utilize the draft and plan for the 2024 season. The true nature of Jones's injury situation has come into question at the same time in which recent QB evaluations from draftniks and commentators I trust have made me question if this is really the QB-rich draft it's been reported to be.
Before the trade for Burns (which I fully support), I was of the opinion that the Giants could take advantage of their 6th, 39th, 47th, 70th, and 107th picks in some combination that would allow them to come out of Days 1 and 2 with both a highly regarded QB and a highly regarded pass-catcher. In my mind, the addition of a top receiving prospect along with hoped for improvements to the OL (through free agent additions, better coaching, and more experience) would leave us competitive in 2024 and also gives us a hedge against future injury to Jones (or poor play from him). The Burns trade makes it significantly more difficult to accomplish all that without giving up a 2025 1st or 2nd round pick, something I'm not fond of.
But that's the least of my concerns right now, because the rumor that Jones's recent neck injury puts his 2024 season (and career) in jeopardy and throws a monkey wrench into my plan for him to be this year's starter while the rookie QB sits, learns, and grows. On top of that, I'm starting to lose confidence in this draft's QB class the more I read about them. Caleb Williams appears to be a significant cut above the rest of the crop and I consider him a character risk, but regardless, he is going to Chicago, so it's not worth the energy to discuss him. My problem stems from what I've been reading and hearing about the five other QB's deemed to be 1st round possibles.
Drake Maye, the most physically gifted of the group, has "boom or bust" written all over him, which makes him worthy of a mid- to late-1st round gamble, but not the 6th overall pick, when either Malik Nabers or Harrison Jr will be available (the only two non-QB prospects, along with perhaps Bowers, who I consider blue chip (at this point at least)). And then there's Jayden Daniels, an athletically gifted, high character prospect, but undersized; and it's hard to tease out just how much his production was aided by Nabers and Johnson. When you have those two to throw to and the speed and athletic ability to run with the ball, it's no surprise you put up the Heisman Trophy winning stats.
The other three--McCarthy, Nix, and Penix--all come across as good prospects, with high enough floors to be considered in the first round, but without the kind of special qualities you'd like to see from someone you take with the 6th overall pick; and with Minnesota, Denver, and Oakland breathing down our necks, we really can't expect any of them to make it out of the top 15. On top of that, despite the plethora of excellent WR prospects in the draft, all the shiny ones will be gone by the 47th pick, so if we reach for a QB with the 6th overall, we'll be shit out of luck giving either him or Jones or Lock a top-end talent to throw to.
I was so looking forward to Jones starting the year with a promising young QB waiting in the wings, a true #1-WR, and an offensive line that can protect him. Now I don't know what to think, which for me takes a good chunk of the fun out of this time of year. I guess I'd like to see them take Nabers or MHJ, but there'll be no trading back into round one without the 39th overall pick as a chip and none of the QB prospects seem worthy of including next year's 1st or 2nd round pick in a deal.
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It is lying season. Nobody know who will go where except C Williams is 99% going to Chicago. After him, who knows?
I hate to give up on Neal at OT but everything in the body of work so far indicates it's not going to work out.
It's Alt or Nabers imo
I hate to give up on Neal at OT but everything in the body of work so far indicates it's not going to work out.
It's Alt or Nabers imo
Alt is a LT. That's a big risk switching him to RT. Especially at 6 overall.
I hate to give up on Neal at OT but everything in the body of work so far indicates it's not going to work out.
It's Alt or Nabers imo
Yes let’s move alt to right tackle what could go wrong.
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Next years 1 is a huge chip. It’ll prob be top 3
What makes you think it will be top 3?
Probably the roster I’m guessing
I hate to give up on Neal at OT but everything in the body of work so far indicates it's not going to work out.
It's Alt or Nabers imo
It will not by OT of any kind.
It is lying season. Nobody know who will go where except C Williams is 99% going to Chicago. After him, who knows?
And even that isn't 99%, the Bears could take a haul from Washington and go with the better character guy in Daniels.
We really don’t know.
What we do know is Jones has injury issues that are real. He is also a major question mark to be ready for the start of the season.
Going WR fills a major need and the value is there with any of the top 3.
So right now, I think it is 55% we take a WR at 6 to 45% we move up for a QB.
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You cannot count on anything happening the way you(all of us) see it.
It is lying season. Nobody know who will go where except C Williams is 99% going to Chicago. After him, who knows?
And even that isn't 99%, the Bears could take a haul from Washington and go with the better character guy in Daniels.
Never say never.....
It happens often, but some people are so sure that if you give up a lot of draft picks to move up to get a top college qb, you can be sure that he'll be a 'franchise qb'.
The knee is another story but we need to stop drumming up any neck concerns until someone with real ties to player and team says anything to the contrary. It’s all bullshit until proven otherwise and I think the knee is likely to be fine too, but that’s just a guess.
Plus, the Giants have MULTIPLE plans on how they may approach the draft depending upon how things unfold.
They have played out every scenario where if "X" happens, we do "Y". etc etc.
The draft needs to be BPA. I would love to come out of the first two rounds w a WR at 6 and Edgerrin Cooper in round 2 and then if they could somehow get the DT Jenkins in rd 3 we’d be cooking.
All the holes will not be solved this off-season. Normally I’d be a proponent of trading back this year if they can’t get the QB with pick 6 or a trade up but I think the wrs are all blue chippers this year and once you get beyond them it’s a bunch of red chip prospects.
The draft needs to be BPA.
I go into every year believing they have a shot at getting to the Super Bowl and maybe even winning in it. It may be a long shot, but it's a shot (cue: so you're telling me there's a chance). Sometimes all it takes is a couple of key dominoes falling your way to turn a cellar dweller into a division winner (one key domino being good luck in the health department, an area where the Giants have been snake bitten).
We really don’t know.
What we do know is Jones has injury issues that are real. He is also a major question mark to be ready for the start of the season.
Going WR fills a major need and the value is there with any of the top 3.
So right now, I think it is 55% we take a WR at 6 to 45% we move up for a QB.
For the sake of argument - other than Shroud, was any other rookie QB demonstrably any better than DeVito last year?
Maybe DeVito has buckled down and is working hard and showing the team he has some promise.
If the Giants don't go QB or WR (although I expect them to, more than not to), dropping a few spots and taking RG T. Fuaga should be considered. From what I hear, he is considered to be the strongest run blocker in the draft. Many scouts also believe that he could play guard. They would no longer need to worry about Neal being a bust, or not.
My thoughts are that the number 1 need is a tie between a QB and finally fixing the OL. They are not going to fill all of the holes this year, so some other positions will likely have to wait.
I agree and I think Schoen has sold Mara on JJM via trade up to 3. That's my belief and I'm sticking to it. This will be a wild ride for certain.
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the Giants draft preference leaks, then people twist in knots trying to not believe what's been seen and we get chaff fired off in the media to distract ...
I agree and I think Schoen has sold Mara on JJM via trade up to 3. That's my belief and I'm sticking to it. This will be a wild ride for certain.
Shocking post.
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the Giants draft preference leaks, then people twist in knots trying to not believe what's been seen and we get chaff fired off in the media to distract ...
I agree and I think Schoen has sold Mara on JJM via trade up to 3. That's my belief and I'm sticking to it. This will be a wild ride for certain.
Shocking post.
I know, you're right. I admit it. I have a strong feeling about JJM and I think Schoen does too. I think the Hughes leak was true and the leak about Schoen being mad about it was true too. I believe the word that NE is trading if CW and JD are gone. I believe the word that they want to trade with us to still have lots of blue chip options or Nix. And I believe the asshat word that we are very deep into negotiations with NE for pick 3. Even I as a JJM lover would be in mourning about our lost draft capital for a QB prognosticators thought would go at the end of rd1 or in rd2. I could obviously be wrong, but there are a lot of signs that my gut feeling could be right.
We really don’t know.
What we do know is Jones has injury issues that are real. He is also a major question mark to be ready for the start of the season.
Going WR fills a major need and the value is there with any of the top 3.
So right now, I think it is 55% we take a WR at 6 to 45% we move up for a QB.
If Daboll loved Devito he would not have yanked him from the Philly game on Christmas. A game that was meaningless. He would have given him a chance to work through it. I think he got pretty sick of the hype around him and how much Devito was indulging in it.
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More than any QB they might draft this year?
We really don’t know.
What we do know is Jones has injury issues that are real. He is also a major question mark to be ready for the start of the season.
Going WR fills a major need and the value is there with any of the top 3.
So right now, I think it is 55% we take a WR at 6 to 45% we move up for a QB.
If Daboll loved Devito he would not have yanked him from the Philly game on Christmas. A game that was meaningless. He would have given him a chance to work through it. I think he got pretty sick of the hype around him and how much Devito was indulging in it.
Devito arrogantly audibles out of a run on 4th from a weakside counter run to the right into a PA pass I believe it was with PA on the strongside against an overloaded strongside blitz, he was sacked before he could blink an eye after audibling out of a perfect run call that went opposite of the blitz. That was when Daboll had enough and we didn't see him since that.
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More than any QB they might draft this year?
We really don’t know.
What we do know is Jones has injury issues that are real. He is also a major question mark to be ready for the start of the season.
Going WR fills a major need and the value is there with any of the top 3.
So right now, I think it is 55% we take a WR at 6 to 45% we move up for a QB.
If Daboll loved Devito he would not have yanked him from the Philly game on Christmas. A game that was meaningless. He would have given him a chance to work through it. I think he got pretty sick of the hype around him and how much Devito was indulging in it.
Devito showed he can win and is coachable. Go back and watch just the Green Bay game. He isn’t a perfect prospect but he has a competitive attitude and he showed a good amount of smarts and play making ability to be a back up QB.