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Rich Eisen and Mel Kiper Jr. discuss QB's in draft

jomanc : 3/24/2024 8:33 pm
Good ole Mel provides his opinions on draft QB's


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I'm probably  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/24/2024 8:37 pm : link
in the minority but I always felt Kiper was so overrated.
Who the hell  
moaltch : 3/24/2024 8:38 pm : link
Is Mel Kiper? I’d rather hear from my mailman.
Mel is mocking Odunze to the Giants  
eric2425ny : 3/24/2024 8:46 pm : link
Translation: Odunze will not be a Giant. Mel never seems to guess our first round picks correctly.
The problem with doing this soo long  
George from PA : 3/24/2024 8:46 pm : link
A ton of mistakes caught on tape.

He was one of the first.....to do draft stuff....but now he is past his prime
RE: Mel is mocking Odunze to the Giants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/24/2024 8:52 pm : link
In comment 16444975 eric2425ny said:
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Translation: Odunze will not be a Giant. Mel never seems to guess our first round picks correctly.


Someone can probably come up with another example, but the only time I can remember him being right about the Giants was in 1986. He said, "The Giants are going to select Eric Dorsey and they are going to the Super Bowl."

RE: I'm probably  
bceagle05 : 3/24/2024 8:57 pm : link
In comment 16444966 Eric from BBI said:
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in the minority but I always felt Kiper was so overrated.

I give him credit for being a trailblazer for all these draftniks in all sports, but I don’t put much stock in his opinions anymore.
Not only is he always  
LW_Giants : 3/24/2024 8:59 pm : link
Wrong about the giants but his evaluations in general are usually very poor.
Mel's right  
jomanc : 3/24/2024 9:02 pm : link
about one thing. QB's are a crapshoot, and there are many examples of that. We know one thing, Daniel Jones is not the answer, so whoever the Giants select, has to be a big upgrade over the next few years with experience, or the Giants will continue to be mediocre.
RE: Mel's right  
Ira : 3/24/2024 9:12 pm : link
In comment 16444993 jomanc said:
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about one thing. QB's are a crapshoot, and there are many examples of that. We know one thing, Daniel Jones is not the answer, so whoever the Giants select, has to be a big upgrade over the next few years with experience, or the Giants will continue to be mediocre.


He said, "You think you know, but you just don't know."
Mel promotes the draft  
UberAlias : 3/24/2024 9:25 pm : link
His role is different than a beat reporter or one of these national guys. I think he has a pretty good sense how things will play out overall, but he's not trying to report on this player here that player there. If there's not a sense of intrigue, he hasn't done his job. He has good info, but he's not trying to nail the draft down pick by pick. If we knew exactly how the draft would play out, we wouldn't tune in. His job is to make it exciting.
RE: Mel's right  
Carl in CT : 3/24/2024 9:48 pm : link
In comment 16444993 jomanc said:
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about one thing. QB's are a crapshoot, and there are many examples of that. We know one thing, Daniel Jones is not the answer, so whoever the Giants select, has to be a big upgrade over the next few years with experience, or the Giants will continue to be mediocre.


He also said you can’t evaluate Bryce Young as he had nothing to work with. No OL and no receivers. Sound familiar ?
RE: RE: Mel's right  
eric2425ny : 3/24/2024 11:04 pm : link
In comment 16445029 Carl in CT said:
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In comment 16444993 jomanc said:


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about one thing. QB's are a crapshoot, and there are many examples of that. We know one thing, Daniel Jones is not the answer, so whoever the Giants select, has to be a big upgrade over the next few years with experience, or the Giants will continue to be mediocre.



He also said you can’t evaluate Bryce Young as he had nothing to work with. No OL and no receivers. Sound familiar ?


Young has had one year. Jones has had five.
I respect Mel  
allstarjim : 3/24/2024 11:11 pm : link
To a degree. His mocks...not so much.

But if nothing else, he's entertaining, and he adds to the draft process, and I'll give anyone their due for putting themselves out there with strong opinions.

So, tip o' the cap to Mel. Again, I don't care for his mocks. But I enjoy watching his takes and this was a good vid.
I talked to Mel  
uconngiant : 3/24/2024 11:14 pm : link
in the mid 80's on the phone when ordering his draft book and we talked for about 5 minutes. It was fun to talk about something very few at the time were doing.
Mel  
OC2.0 : 3/24/2024 11:15 pm : link
Eh, I don't think he's been any more or less wrong or right than any of the rest of the "experts'.
 
ryanmkeane : 3/24/2024 11:18 pm : link
He might end up being correct on Odunze to NYG
Kiper and Daniel Jones  
Samiam : 3/24/2024 11:54 pm : link
I don’t know the answer to this. Can somebody comment on what Kiper thought of Jones when he was in the draft?
Mmm  
BleedBlue : 3/25/2024 1:47 am : link
Call chargers

Give em a 4th round or two and say you’re gauranteed alt or nabors…

We move to 5 and take MHJ, JJM or maye.

All they have to pass on is difference between MHJ and nabors. If they think it’s close the extra picks would be good to rebuild some of what they lost


Now pats take JJ, cards MHJ we get maye or switch JJ and maye. I doubt cards pass up on MHJ for a trade back and if they do.. take MHJ
RE: Kiper and Daniel Jones  
OdellBeckhamJr : 3/25/2024 2:12 am : link
In comment 16445090 Samiam said:
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I don’t know the answer to this. Can somebody comment on what Kiper thought of Jones when he was in the draft?


the link below sums it up. Kiper liked him. McShay didn't get the infatuation, he was right.
2019 NFL Draft: QB Daniel Jones will be a first-round pick - Mel Kiper Jr. | SportsCenter - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Kiper and Daniel Jones  
jomanc : 3/25/2024 6:54 am : link
In comment 16445101 OdellBeckhamJr said:
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In comment 16445090 Samiam said:


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I don’t know the answer to this. Can somebody comment on what Kiper thought of Jones when he was in the draft?



the link below sums it up. Kiper liked him. McShay didn't get the infatuation, he was right. 2019 NFL Draft: QB Daniel Jones will be a first-round pick - Mel Kiper Jr. | SportsCenter - ( New Window )


Good video where McShay was spot on and Kiper wrong back when Jones was drafted. There is no 100% foolproof way that shows if a QB will become Patrick Mahomes, when you look back and Mitchell Trubisky QB was the 2nd pick in the 2017 draft and Mahomes was the 10th pick.

Brady was selected 199th overall by the Patriots in the sixth round of the 2000 NFL draft.

On the other side with QB busts, history shows examples
Robert Griffin III (2012 NFL Draft, Round 1 Pick 2) ...
Tim Couch (1999 NFL Draft, Round 1 Pick 1) ...
David Carr (2002 NFL Draft, Round 1 Pick 1) ...
Jake Locker (2011 NFL Draft, Round 1 Pick 8) ...
Heath Shuler (1994 NFL Draft, Round 1 Pick 3) ...

Giants need to keep their fingers crossed or maybe pull a name out of a hat. It will be an interesting draft.
I will always respect Kiper's opinion after this gem.  
Keyser : 3/25/2024 9:13 am : link
"It's obvious to me right now that the Jets just don't understand what the draft is all about"


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RE: I'm probably  
Jay on the Island : 3/25/2024 11:08 am : link
In comment 16444966 Eric from BBI said:
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in the minority but I always felt Kiper was so overrated.

No I agree with you he really is.
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