Generally speaking the Giants franchise is more known for its defensive play than it’s offensive play dating back to our glory days in the 50’s and throughout.
While opposing teams QBs garnered all the glory, MVP’s, Pro Bowls, critical acclaim, the Giants remained competitive and won championships against the greatest QB’s of all time. Having a Blue Chip QB isn’t the only golden ticket to winning a championship.
We’ve seen lesser caliber QB’s win SB’s and we’ve seen elite QBs win zero SB’s.
I don’t think you reach for any player nor do you mortgage the future at this moment.
Is Daniel Jones the guy of the future? Who knows? The one thing we do know is he is a playoff winning NFL QB. Is drafting the leftover QB at 6 more impactful than drafting a stud at any other position of need? Is mortgaging future picks on a team in desperate need of overall talent a smart idea for a QB that could be a bust? Is there a generational QB in this draft that we absolutely can not pass up? This is definitely a pivotly draft for the Giants! Whatever the choice I just hope is pans out!!! I’m tired of losing!!
OJ Anderson power elbow....
Were aggressive power plays
Our losing predates Daniel Jones
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I’d suggest that Daniel Jones may be part of the problem not the solution.
Our losing predates Daniel Jones
Poor QB play does not.
Correct, but weighing the odds of picking the leftover of the QBs vs the best at another position have to be taken into consideration.
The Giants finished the regular season going 3-6-1, if I remember correctly.
One of those teams had to win that game, that's all it was.
I don't think I've ever seen two teams, that bad, meet in the playoffs before.
As for a legacy defense, several members, here, have pointed out that the modern rule changes puts a severe disadvantage to defensive football. Unwatchable boring defense is out, exiting offense is in.
The league only cares about higher ratings that makes them more money.
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Position that may bust is QB? There is no guarantee anyone you choose is going to be a “stud.”
Correct, but weighing the odds of picking the leftover of the QBs vs the best at another position have to be taken into consideration.
That’s not the way this works, who you think is the best at a position doesnt mean that person will be the best. The draft is a crapshoot
Did I say anything about our QB play? I speaking about who we were playing against…. Joe Montana and Tom Brady. Yes Phil, Eli and even Jeff played great games….but you’re missing my point of us beating Kelly, Montana and Brady widely regarded as all time greats.
BBI is devoid of rational thought sometimes.
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You are correct, you just proved my point. I’m not willing to mortgage the future to trade up on a “crapshoot” or reach for a QB at 6 when we have so many needs. Stay put and draft the best available impact player.
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Position that may bust is QB? There is no guarantee anyone you choose is going to be a “stud.”
Correct, but weighing the odds of picking the leftover of the QBs vs the best at another position have to be taken into consideration.
That’s not the way this works, who you think is the best at a position doesnt mean that person will be the best. The draft is a crapshoot
It is not either/or it is both. The question is how do we get both?
The Vikings defense was historically bad. They were flukiest 13 win team in NFL history by some statistics.
OJ Anderson power elbow....
Were aggressive power plays
That kind of "power football" helps when you are playing the game in the snow and wind in the NE in the winter time.
I don't think it is an accident that "Air Coryell" came out of San Diego?
We have to close the QB gap to compete. Jones is a bottom tier QB and doesn't give us enough production to consistently compete for Super Bowls.
We have to close the QB gap to compete. Jones is a bottom tier QB and doesn't give us enough production to consistently compete for Super Bowls.
That doesn't discount the legitimate team building strategy that has helped the Giants go 4-1 in superbowls and defeat some of the greatest offensive juggernauts of all time including the Montana niners, Elways 13-0 defending world champion Broncos, the 18-0 Patriots, the Culpepper and Moss led 15-1 Vikings in the NFC championship, among others. Building a good team starts upfront, and the focus can be building from the inside out while still accounting for the fact that any position can bust.
What we know is almost any Qb drafted is better than Jones and DeVito and likely better than TT. I think Maye and McCarthy will not be able to start, reliably, before mid-season. However, I do think the line will be better and any QB other than Jones will be able to score points.
Oh man, you’re *this* close
It started in the Garden with Clyde’s Knicks, then moved to Yankee Stadium.
Not once have I ever heard a crowd roar OFF - ENSE.
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Famously devoid of great QB play.
Did I say anything about our QB play? I speaking about who we were playing against…. Joe Montana and Tom Brady. Yes Phil, Eli and even Jeff played great games….but you’re missing my point of us beating Kelly, Montana and Brady widely regarded as all time greats.
BBI is devoid of rational thought sometimes.
Montana and Brady have won tons of Superbowls. And Eli and Simms are better than Jones. I'd rather just keep trying to upgrade the QB position than try to build a perfect team around Jones.
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Position that may bust is QB? There is no guarantee anyone you choose is going to be a “stud.”
Correct, but weighing the odds of picking the leftover of the QBs vs the best at another position have to be taken into consideration.
That’s not the way this works, who you think is the best at a position doesnt mean that person will be the best. The draft is a crapshoot
Except that’s EXACTLY how it works. The top 3 receivers in this draft have elite caliber skill and are physically gifted in all the ways you want your receiver to be. Large, explosive… great hands. Body control. There are a lot of receivers in this draft but none are on the same level as the top 3. Athleticism, character and proven talent is not a matter of opinion or guesswork. MHJ, Odunze and Nabers are going to be stars at the next level.
For the QBs, Williams is going to rock and the Bears aren’t moving off of him. Daniel’s is going to be electric but for how long until he gets injured? Maye is going to Washington or NE and that leaves s with the 4th best QB and there is no clear answer as to which of the remaining kids are actually 4?
So yeah… pure Alpha game changing receiver, imho, should be valued a bit higher than spending the #6 pick on a QB that may or may not be better than the hat we already have.
Because he was available at 14, and the Giants drafted him.
You make yourselves so dizzy over rankings that you ignore things that you already know.
Thibs, Dexter, Newton, Burns
Okereke and McFadden
Banks, Pinnock, Simmons, Mitchell, slot CB