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GFAN52 : 3/25/2024 7:22 am
First mock I've seen where McCarthy is ahead of Maye. Come on Joe Schoen you can beat the Vikings offer.

1. Chicago Bears - Caleb Williams

2. Washington Commanders - Jayden Daniels

3. NE Patriots - JJ McCarthy

4. Minnesota Vikings - Drake Maye
The draft community and many in the league view Minnesota’s recent acquisition of a second 2024 first-round pick as evidence that a bold move into the top five is coming. That’s a fair presumption, but it also implies that the Vikings are good with whichever top quarterback prospect falls to four. In this exercise, we’re saying the staff has a specific target in mind and, more importantly, feels comfortable he will be available.

5. LA Chargers - Marvin Harrison Jr.

6. New York Giants: Malik Nabers, WR, LSU
Drafting Daniel Jones’ replacement would be tempting, if possible. Selecting a game-breaking receiver, the kind rarely seen in East Rutherford, isn’t only doable but necessary no matter who plays quarterback. Nabers averaged 17.6 yards on 89 receptions in his final season with the Tigers.


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I don't believe that  
section125 : 3/25/2024 7:40 am : link
the Cardinals take the Vikes offer over the Giants as they are clearly looking at WR for Murray. Missing MHJ is one thing, but moving away from the top three is another - unless they feel Thomas(LSU) is in the same class as MHJ, Nabers and Odunze and they snag him at 11. The Cards also have pick 27 and over 10 picks already. So they really don't need picks.
A 2025 1st rounder is going to be hard to pass up  
stoneman : 3/25/2024 7:44 am : link
for anybody - AZ, SD, NYG.
Exactly  
M.S. : 3/25/2024 7:45 am : link

This Mock falls in line with so many others ever since Minny secured a second First Round Pick. But as you point out, the difference is that JJ McCarthy is already taken at #3 by the Pats so Minny ends up with Drake Maye at #4.

This Mock also has the Cardinals jumping around a bit -- they trade down with Minny and then back up into the 9-hole (from da Bears.) In another thread last week, Colin at GBN Draft Report speculated that Arizona could trade down (with Minny) and then back up to #7 or maybe even with the Giants at #6. The Giants could then select someone like Bo Nix at #11 if they still want a Round One QB.

In any event, I surely understand the tension that has built up around the Giants securing a QB. And I've been sweating upcoming Giants Drafts since the 1970s. But this one has me strangely in a Zen mood because the consolation prize for missing out on a QB at #6 would be a first-class wide receiver, something the Giants have been missing since Odell Beckham Jr.

Arizona trading down and back up makes no sense  
ajr2456 : 3/25/2024 8:05 am : link
They’d lose most of the assets they got and run the risk of someone else taking or jumping ahead of them for the guy they want
Drake Maye has happy feet  
tommcd66 : 3/25/2024 8:21 am : link
Chris Simms pointed it out and now I can't help but notice on almost every play he's pattering his feet. What that translates too in the NFL? No clue- is he telegrapghing? It looks nervous which doesn't equivocate to confidence.

In interviews he has more of the "aw shucks" thing going on than even Eli did.

I'd pass
Cards aren’t trading down to 11 and missing out on their WR.  
BillT : 3/25/2024 8:23 am : link
And if we don’t offer them the 6 we’ll get our choice of one of the QBs or one of the WRs.
More media groupthink  
LW_Giants : 3/25/2024 8:38 am : link
Just assuming it’s inevitable vikings get into top 5 and don’t even discuss the possibility of the giants moving up. Why would Arizona move to 11 to pick up more picks in a draft they already have a ton of picks rather than move to six and get a first next year? Doesn’t make much sense
Arizona trading down to 11 and then back up  
Big Rick in FL : 3/25/2024 8:44 am : link
Makes absolutely no sense at all. You lose the assets you received and you take the chance of missing the player you want.

Actually Arizona trading to 11 makes no sense even if they don't trade back up. They have plenty of draft capital. I'm not sure if anybody has seen their group of WRs, but it's probably the worst group in NFL history. They stay at 4 and can grab their WR1. If they have the 3 WRs graded closely they could move to 6 pick up a couple extra picks and still possibly get their WR1 or worst case scenario get WR2.
RE: More media groupthink  
section125 : 3/25/2024 8:45 am : link
In comment 16445154 LW_Giants said:
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Just assuming it’s inevitable vikings get into top 5 and don’t even discuss the possibility of the giants moving up. Why would Arizona move to 11 to pick up more picks in a draft they already have a ton of picks rather than move to six and get a first next year? Doesn’t make much sense


Giants aren't giving up next year's 1st to move two spots. It is only a 3rd and possibly a sweetener to beat the Vikes.
RE: RE: More media groupthink  
LW_Giants : 3/25/2024 8:56 am : link
In comment 16445163 section125 said:
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Just assuming it’s inevitable vikings get into top 5 and don’t even discuss the possibility of the giants moving up. Why would Arizona move to 11 to pick up more picks in a draft they already have a ton of picks rather than move to six and get a first next year? Doesn’t make much sense



Giants aren't giving up next year's 1st to move two spots. It is only a 3rd and possibly a sweetener to beat the Vikes.


We’ll see but I think it’d take more than that.
Giants have drafted 2 QBs and 5 WRs with a #1 pick in last 40 years  
Ivan15 : 3/25/2024 9:04 am : link
3 QBs in the last 45 years. Of the 3 QBs, two worked out well. Slim hope for the third.

3 WRs were good to excellent picks (Hilliard, Nicks, Beckham) whose careers were shortened by injuries. One (Ingram) was okay. One (Toney) was a disaster. None of the WR picks were as high as #6.
RE: RE: More media groupthink  
Big Rick in FL : 3/25/2024 9:04 am : link
In comment 16445163 section125 said:
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Just assuming it’s inevitable vikings get into top 5 and don’t even discuss the possibility of the giants moving up. Why would Arizona move to 11 to pick up more picks in a draft they already have a ton of picks rather than move to six and get a first next year? Doesn’t make much sense



Giants aren't giving up next year's 1st to move two spots. It is only a 3rd and possibly a sweetener to beat the Vikes.


I don't know how you can say that with any certainty. It is entirely possible that they give up next year's first. Likely? Probably not. But nobody can say it definitely isn't happening.
RE: RE: RE: More media groupthink  
section125 : 3/25/2024 9:16 am : link
In comment 16445180 Big Rick in FL said:
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Just assuming it’s inevitable vikings get into top 5 and don’t even discuss the possibility of the giants moving up. Why would Arizona move to 11 to pick up more picks in a draft they already have a ton of picks rather than move to six and get a first next year? Doesn’t make much sense



Giants aren't giving up next year's 1st to move two spots. It is only a 3rd and possibly a sweetener to beat the Vikes.



I don't know how you can say that with any certainty. It is entirely possible that they give up next year's first. Likely? Probably not. But nobody can say it definitely isn't happening.


Of course I don't know. 11 and 23 on the chart is not worth as much as 6 and 47. Will there be a premium to 6 & 47? - likely yes. Will it be worth it to Schoen to give up next year's #1 - not sure. Would the Vikes go 11, 23 and 2025 1st and 3rd - maybe so. Then the Giants might need to add in 2025 1st or 2nd if they wanted to compete. What we do not know is who the Giants like as QB, how much they like him and if they are semi-desperate to get a QB.

Catch me an hour from now. I may change my mind....
RE: Arizona trading down to 11 and then back up  
M.S. : 3/25/2024 9:25 am : link
In comment 16445161 Big Rick in FL said:
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Makes absolutely no sense at all. You lose the assets you received and you take the chance of missing the player you want.

Actually Arizona trading to 11 makes no sense even if they don't trade back up. They have plenty of draft capital. I'm not sure if anybody has seen their group of WRs, but it's probably the worst group in NFL history. They stay at 4 and can grab their WR1. If they have the 3 WRs graded closely they could move to 6 pick up a couple extra picks and still possibly get their WR1 or worst case scenario get WR2.


You could be right, but Arizona played this same game last draft when they traded out of the 3-hole (with Houston) down to #12, and then traded back up (with Detroit) to #6.
RE: I don't believe that  
UConn4523 : 3/25/2024 9:28 am : link
In comment 16445117 section125 said:
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the Cardinals take the Vikes offer over the Giants as they are clearly looking at WR for Murray. Missing MHJ is one thing, but moving away from the top three is another - unless they feel Thomas(LSU) is in the same class as MHJ, Nabers and Odunze and they snag him at 11. The Cards also have pick 27 and over 10 picks already. So they really don't need picks.


I agree, Cardinals need an alpha WR, we saw what Hopkins did for them. Personally, I don’t see them moving at all unless Harrison goes top 3.
Our O’s been pretty awful recently but saying  
JoeSchoens11 : 3/25/2024 9:36 am : link
The Giants
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Selecting a game-breaking receiver, the kind rarely seen in East Rutherford
seems pretty harsh for a team that went from Plax to Cruz/Nicks to OBJ over the past 15-years or so
RE: RE: Arizona trading down to 11 and then back up  
Big Rick in FL : 3/25/2024 9:37 am : link
In comment 16445196 M.S. said:
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Makes absolutely no sense at all. You lose the assets you received and you take the chance of missing the player you want.

Actually Arizona trading to 11 makes no sense even if they don't trade back up. They have plenty of draft capital. I'm not sure if anybody has seen their group of WRs, but it's probably the worst group in NFL history. They stay at 4 and can grab their WR1. If they have the 3 WRs graded closely they could move to 6 pick up a couple extra picks and still possibly get their WR1 or worst case scenario get WR2.



You could be right, but Arizona played this same game last draft when they traded out of the 3-hole (with Houston) down to #12, and then traded back up (with Detroit) to #6.


Yes they did do it last year, but did they do that because there wasn't a team in the 6-8 range willing to move up?

There seems to be different circumstances this year.
 
christian : 3/25/2024 9:42 am : link
If the Cardinals trade down to 6 with NY they're guaranteed one of MHJr, Nabers, or Odunze. If there is a trade, my guess is the Cardinals trade number 4 to the Giants for 6, 70, and next year's first round pick.

That is a better outcome than 11 and 23 from Minnesota.
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section125 : 3/25/2024 9:46 am : link
In comment 16445213 christian said:
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If the Cardinals trade down to 6 with NY they're guaranteed one of MHJr, Nabers, or Odunze. If there is a trade, my guess is the Cardinals trade number 4 to the Giants for 6, 70, and next year's first round pick.

That is a better outcome than 11 and 23 from Minnesota.


With all the picks they have this year, getting a #1 next year(especially one likely to be high) would seem to be preferable to 11, 23 and something else.
Problem is, if the Vikes are super desperate, they may throw in 2025 1st and 2nd/3rd...where does the bidding stop?
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LW_Giants : 3/25/2024 9:48 am : link
In comment 16445213 christian said:
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If the Cardinals trade down to 6 with NY they're guaranteed one of MHJr, Nabers, or Odunze. If there is a trade, my guess is the Cardinals trade number 4 to the Giants for 6, 70, and next year's first round pick.

That is a better outcome than 11 and 23 from Minnesota.


I agree.
If this is how it shakes out I would be fine with it  
Doubledeuce22 : 3/25/2024 10:22 am : link
Reaching or trading down for a Nix or Penix would be a remote thrower.
A bit of a Johnny one-note  
Will Shine : 3/25/2024 10:55 am : link
but in that scenario, assuming there is someone with a pick no lower than mid-teens, I would trade back and accumulate at least another R2 pick and select Thomas or Adonai later in R1.

I think there is a good chance that someone would be wanting Alt.
RE: A bit of a Johnny one-note  
GFAN52 : 3/25/2024 10:59 am : link
In comment 16445285 Will Shine said:
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but in that scenario, assuming there is someone with a pick no lower than mid-teens, I would trade back and accumulate at least another R2 pick and select Thomas or Adonai later in R1.

I think there is a good chance that someone would be wanting Alt.


I’m trading down only if I get 2025 draft capital.
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Sean : 3/25/2024 11:00 am : link
In comment 16445213 christian said:
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If the Cardinals trade down to 6 with NY they're guaranteed one of MHJr, Nabers, or Odunze. If there is a trade, my guess is the Cardinals trade number 4 to the Giants for 6, 70, and next year's first round pick.

That is a better outcome than 11 and 23 from Minnesota.

+1. If NYG is willing to trade their 2025 first I think they'll get a QB. Look at it this way, if they don't take the QB this year, it's a lock for the 2025 pick is being used at QB anyway.
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GFAN52 : 3/25/2024 11:07 am : link
In comment 16445295 Sean said:
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If the Cardinals trade down to 6 with NY they're guaranteed one of MHJr, Nabers, or Odunze. If there is a trade, my guess is the Cardinals trade number 4 to the Giants for 6, 70, and next year's first round pick.

That is a better outcome than 11 and 23 from Minnesota.


+1. If NYG is willing to trade their 2025 first I think they'll get a QB. Look at it this way, if they don't take the QB this year, it's a lock for the 2025 pick is being used at QB anyway.


That’s a great point on the 2025 pick Sean.
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christian : 3/25/2024 11:26 am : link
In comment 16445295 Sean said:
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If the Cardinals trade down to 6 with NY they're guaranteed one of MHJr, Nabers, or Odunze. If there is a trade, my guess is the Cardinals trade number 4 to the Giants for 6, 70, and next year's first round pick.

That is a better outcome than 11 and 23 from Minnesota.

+1. If NYG is willing to trade their 2025 first I think they'll get a QB. Look at it this way, if they don't take the QB this year, it's a lock for the 2025 pick is being used at QB anyway.


The only way I think Minnesota gets the number 4 overall pick (vs NYG) is if they include 3 numbers ones (11, 23, 2025), or if they include Jefferson and 11.
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GFAN52 : 3/25/2024 11:33 am : link
In comment 16445326 christian said:
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If the Cardinals trade down to 6 with NY they're guaranteed one of MHJr, Nabers, or Odunze. If there is a trade, my guess is the Cardinals trade number 4 to the Giants for 6, 70, and next year's first round pick.

That is a better outcome than 11 and 23 from Minnesota.

+1. If NYG is willing to trade their 2025 first I think they'll get a QB. Look at it this way, if they don't take the QB this year, it's a lock for the 2025 pick is being used at QB anyway.



The only way I think Minnesota gets the number 4 overall pick (vs NYG) is if they include 3 numbers ones (11, 23, 2025), or if they include Jefferson and 11.


And NY would top that if they included theirs as well.
Is the Giants trading with the Vikings  
arniefez : 3/25/2024 3:49 pm : link
and drafting Penix or Nix at 11 and Adonai Mitchell or another WR at 23 a better plan than drafting Nabers or Odunze at 6 and Rattler or a QB of his draft ranking at 47?
No way Cards trade  
giantstock : 3/25/2024 9:59 pm : link
Away from one of the 3 WR's.

Click bait.
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