I make it VERY clear to Brian Daboll and Joe Schoen that their job is NOT in jeopardy and that they are here for the long term regardless of how this season goes. The last thing I want is our GM and head coach feeling the pressure and making decisions to save their jobs. Obviously, the Giants need a QB bad, but to take one just to “reset the clock” would be terrible. Especially passing up those WRs. Ideally, when the Giants are on the clock there is a QB on the board that they love. If not, take the best player available and keep building.
It doesn't really matter. These guys are professionals at the highest levels of their industry. Pressure comes with the territory. Absolutely nothing should sway their decision making except building the best team possible for sustained success...
The whole notion otherwise is silly.
They are two years in and their roster is paper thin and their O line is a joke. They aren't buying themselves time no matter who they draft.
Don't forget firing the GM that won you 2 Super Bowls (although it was deserved) prior to the end of the season but allowing the next guy, who was just as bad and a bigger asshole, to retire gracefully and ride the season out.
If I buy into the idea (and I do) that successful teams build through the draft, I want to see that my GM and coach have been able to pick and develop 3 or 4 solid players in every draft. And that of these 3 or 4 solid players, at least one or two look to be turning into all-pro type players.
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but keep the architect of a shit roster in Jerry Reece. If I'm John Mara, I fire two coaches back to back after 2 years. If I'm John Mara I'm aware of empty seats and public sentiment on a franchise that has gone to shit for the last dozen years but at the same time like to hang onto company men for too long. If I'm John Mara, I kick trash cans around when I'm mad but frankly don't truly understand why my team has frankly sucked for years but I do feel strongly that the team has done everything it can to screw up Daniel Jones.
Don't forget firing the GM that won you 2 Super Bowls (although it was deserved) prior to the end of the season but allowing the next guy, who was just as bad and a bigger asshole, to retire gracefully and ride the season out.
If Jerry Reese was retiring, then I'm sure John mara would have allowed him to finish the season out. Jerry Reese did not retire. Gettleman knew way before the season ended that he was out either by firing or retirement. He chose to retire.
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but keep the architect of a shit roster in Jerry Reece. If I'm John Mara, I fire two coaches back to back after 2 years. If I'm John Mara I'm aware of empty seats and public sentiment on a franchise that has gone to shit for the last dozen years but at the same time like to hang onto company men for too long. If I'm John Mara, I kick trash cans around when I'm mad but frankly don't truly understand why my team has frankly sucked for years but I do feel strongly that the team has done everything it can to screw up Daniel Jones.
Don't forget firing the GM that won you 2 Super Bowls (although it was deserved) prior to the end of the season but allowing the next guy, who was just as bad and a bigger asshole, to retire gracefully and ride the season out.
If Jerry Reese was retiring, then I'm sure John mara would have allowed him to finish the season out. Jerry Reese did not retire. Gettleman knew way before the season ended that he was out either by firing or retirement. He chose to retire.
Gettleman did nothing to deserve the smooth exit he got. I don't care if he was going to retire if fired, I would have had him out of the building after Thanksgiving and would not have had him anywhere near the field for the last home game.
Let me know if there are any issues and have a good week at practice.
Thanks,
John
I agree. I'm all for taking McCarthy. But Mara is weird, overly loyal but gets swayed IMO by the rage of Giants fans.
You don’t think taking a QB is risky? Reaching for Daniel Jones because we needed a QB is how we got here!
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risky to take a QB. If the Giants pass on the opportunity to take a top qb prospect this year, they’ll deserve the misery and anger that’s coming for them. Gonna get ugly, and no matter how many guaranteed Mara gives Daboll/Schoen, there’s no saying what he’ll do when the stadium is half empty and those who are there boo every time Daniel Jones snaps the ball.
You don’t think taking a QB is risky? Reaching for Daniel Jones because we needed a QB is how we got here!
Who said taking a qb isn’t risky? It certainly wasn’t me. But there’s risk inherent in any first round pick. QB is the most important position on the field, gotta get it right otherwise nothing else matters. A great wide receiver is only as good as the guy throwing to him.
And for the most part I agree. I also agree that we need a QB and we are in position to get one. It might cost some draft picks, even future picks. If you don’t have a QB you don’t have a chance.
I remember reading that is takes 3-4 years to truly grade a draft yet here we are again ready to throw out good coaches because it every draft pick is starting.
And for the most part I agree. I also agree that we need a QB and we are in position to get one. It might cost some draft picks, even future picks. If you don’t have a QB you don’t have a chance.
I remember reading that is takes 3-4 years to truly grade a draft yet here we are again ready to throw out good coaches because it every draft pick is starting.
Nobody is saying to fire the gm/coach right now, but guarantees in this business mean nothing. Put up or shut up.
It was actually 3 head coaches back to back to back (McAdoo, Shurmur and Judge).
The fact that you haven't come remotely close to needing to change your handle in 13 years should tell you everything you need to know on this.
If the new QB is no good - trade him for peanuts and try again. It's what all other NFL teams seem to be doing (unless we're just smarter, right?). Giants fans are so scared of a QB busting, while other teams are trading round 1 QBs for third day draft picks and trying again.
With how much you're paying QBs, it's been proving that paying a middle of the road QB even top 10 QB money is a MISTAKE.
I do know one thing. The Mara family has operated the exact same way since the day I went to my first Giant game at Yankee stadium in 1966. I don't see that changing. IMO John Mara is not going to have some kind of epiphany and change the way he does business.
If the Giants have another 5-12 season I think they will be starting over again. I like the way this GM and HC go about their jobs. It's the first time both of them have ever been in their current positions and there have been some glaring mistakes and growing pains. Still if I were John Mara unless there were egregious fireable offenses that came up, they'd both get 5 years to try and turn around the over a decade of horrendous management from before they were hired.
I do know one thing. The Mara family has operated the exact same way since the day I went to my first Giant game at Yankee stadium in 1966. I don't see that changing. IMO John Mara is not going to have some kind of epiphany and change the way he does business.
If the Giants have another 5-12 season I think they will be starting over again. I like the way this GM and HC go about their jobs. It's the first time both of them have ever been in their current positions and there have been some glaring mistakes and growing pains. Still if I were John Mara unless there were egregious fireable offenses that came up, they'd both get 5 years to try and turn around the over a decade of horrendous management from before they were hired.
5-12 with Jones/Lock is a lot different than 5-12 with a rookie QB developing and showing signs of being able to play. That will matter greatly imo.
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but keep the architect of a shit roster in Jerry Reece. If I'm John Mara, I fire two coaches back to back after 2 years. If I'm John Mara I'm aware of empty seats and public sentiment on a franchise that has gone to shit for the last dozen years but at the same time like to hang onto company men for too long. If I'm John Mara, I kick trash cans around when I'm mad but frankly don't truly understand why my team has frankly sucked for years but I do feel strongly that the team has done everything it can to screw up Daniel Jones.
Don't forget firing the GM that won you 2 Super Bowls (although it was deserved) prior to the end of the season but allowing the next guy, who was just as bad and a bigger asshole, to retire gracefully and ride the season out.
If Jerry Reese was retiring, then I'm sure John mara would have allowed him to finish the season out. Jerry Reese did not retire. Gettleman knew way before the season ended that he was out either by firing or retirement. He chose to retire.
Gettleman did nothing to deserve the smooth exit he got. I don't care if he was going to retire if fired, I would have had him out of the building after Thanksgiving and would not have had him anywhere near the field for the last home game.
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He lives in a different world than 99.9% of the people in this country. It makes sense to me that none us can understand some of the things he does.
I do know one thing. The Mara family has operated the exact same way since the day I went to my first Giant game at Yankee stadium in 1966. I don't see that changing. IMO John Mara is not going to have some kind of epiphany and change the way he does business.
If the Giants have another 5-12 season I think they will be starting over again. I like the way this GM and HC go about their jobs. It's the first time both of them have ever been in their current positions and there have been some glaring mistakes and growing pains. Still if I were John Mara unless there were egregious fireable offenses that came up, they'd both get 5 years to try and turn around the over a decade of horrendous management from before they were hired.
5-12 with Jones/Lock is a lot different than 5-12 with a rookie QB developing and showing signs of being able to play. That will matter greatly imo.
Or they finish 7-10 or even 8-9 and miss the playoffs again, only now they are in an no position to be in draft range of a 2025 top QB.
If the new QB is no good - trade him for peanuts and try again. It's what all other NFL teams seem to be doing (unless we're just smarter, right?). Giants fans are so scared of a QB busting, while other teams are trading round 1 QBs for third day draft picks and trying again.
With how much you're paying QBs, it's been proving that paying a middle of the road QB even top 10 QB money is a MISTAKE.
Agreed as well. We might need to be spending a pick every draft to ensure we'll always have something in the pipeline, until we hit. And even then, we might need to keep making sure we have a possible replacement because the position is just so darn important. GB and Love might be a good example. Pivot off the expensive and declining option, even if a year too early.
If the new QB is no good - trade him for peanuts and try again. It's what all other NFL teams seem to be doing (unless we're just smarter, right?). Giants fans are so scared of a QB busting, while other teams are trading round 1 QBs for third day draft picks and trying again.
With how much you're paying QBs, it's been proving that paying a middle of the road QB even top 10 QB money is a MISTAKE.
Couldn't agree more. But this would take some serious self-reflection, honesty and real leadership by Mara.
I think he took got one leg out of his box when he took an outsider like Schoen. Unfortunately, he may have been able to keep the other leg in the box because Schoen may agree a lot with how Mara views the football world.
More time will tell...
it seems to me that the 2022 season has not been forgotten,and that last season was injury filled...this should mean some sense of job security for D & S....
That said, we all know what can happen here in NY if we go 0-5 to begin the season.
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but keep the architect of a shit roster in Jerry Reece. If I'm John Mara, I fire two coaches back to back after 2 years. If I'm John Mara I'm aware of empty seats and public sentiment on a franchise that has gone to shit for the last dozen years but at the same time like to hang onto company men for too long. If I'm John Mara, I kick trash cans around when I'm mad but frankly don't truly understand why my team has frankly sucked for years but I do feel strongly that the team has done everything it can to screw up Daniel Jones.
Don't forget firing the GM that won you 2 Super Bowls (although it was deserved) prior to the end of the season but allowing the next guy, who was just as bad and a bigger asshole, to retire gracefully and ride the season out.
If I buy into the idea (and I do) that successful teams build through the draft, I want to see that my GM and coach have been able to pick and develop 3 or 4 solid players in every draft. And that of these 3 or 4 solid players, at least one or two look to be turning into all-pro type players.
So just draft 2 all pros each year? No problem
Reese ran the franchise into the ground and the mistake was not firing him years earlier. I don't recall anyone in the media or former champion Giant player complaining about it. The NFL showing such little interest in him after he was fired is very telling. Mara just missed what most everyone recognized much sooner.
Bingo!!
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risky to take a QB. If the Giants pass on the opportunity to take a top qb prospect this year, they’ll deserve the misery and anger that’s coming for them. Gonna get ugly, and no matter how many guaranteed Mara gives Daboll/Schoen, there’s no saying what he’ll do when the stadium is half empty and those who are there boo every time Daniel Jones snaps the ball.
I agree. I'm all for taking McCarthy. But Mara is weird, overly loyal but gets swayed IMO by the rage of Giants fans.
Really? And how do you propose that they do this? Move up and give up draft capital? Stay put? How do you know they even want him. JS has to have such a conviction on a QB that he will move up to any spot that will procure that individual whoever that is
Wish you were John Mara.
Feel better? How bout a fresca? Or a pepsi.
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He lives in a different world than 99.9% of the people in this country. It makes sense to me that none us can understand some of the things he does.
I do know one thing. The Mara family has operated the exact same way since the day I went to my first Giant game at Yankee stadium in 1966. I don't see that changing. IMO John Mara is not going to have some kind of epiphany and change the way he does business.
If the Giants have another 5-12 season I think they will be starting over again. I like the way this GM and HC go about their jobs. It's the first time both of them have ever been in their current positions and there have been some glaring mistakes and growing pains. Still if I were John Mara unless there were egregious fireable offenses that came up, they'd both get 5 years to try and turn around the over a decade of horrendous management from before they were hired.
5-12 with Jones/Lock is a lot different than 5-12 with a rookie QB developing and showing signs of being able to play. That will matter greatly imo.
And the fanbase will have patience as long as they have hope
"no matter what happens this year, your job is guaranteed next year."
"no matter what happens this year, your job is guaranteed next year."
Nobody should be told their job is safe regardless of how they perform, unless you don’t really care if your business succeeds or not.