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The Giants don’t need the most “NFL-ready” quarterback if they take one in the first round. That could bode well for the youngest and least-productive prospect they might be considering.
NE may take him. I think JJM and Daniels are right there with one another. JJM is the guy I want. If Maye goes 3 to NE the Giants need to heavily explore trading up with the Chargers or someone else will. Have to wait until draft night to see what NE does. If NE takes him I think you need to entertain trading back in hopes of acquiring another 1 next year so you can trade up for a QB.
"That was the best throwing day I've ever seen," Harbaugh said. "Like I predicted, once they were around him, I was hearing the stories about how he is on the board, how he is on the field, the little things, the intangibles. I mean, it was absolutely no surprise whatsoever. But yeah, there was raving, and it was great to hear and incredible to hear."
apparently isn’t considering McCarthy really. One of my Pats fan friends who is a diehard thinks it has something to do with Brady/Michigan relationship but also their scouts don’t love the Harbaugh model of QB offense.
It especially doesn't make sense if your QB is Daniel Jones.
Only way that happens is if the Giants are winning (big) and even then there are no guarantees the kid sits for very long. 04 the Giants had a winning record and benched Warner for Eli by mid season. 2019 they benched Eli for Jones before week 3.
Worry about it when it happens. It won't unless times are good.
There's also nothing wrong with the rookie playing 10 games instead of 17.
I see this board littered every day with "McCarthy played in an NFL system" mantra.
So, how the hell can you play in this NFL system and not be NFL ready?
Thank you. All I have heard about is that he has received superior coaching to all the other QBs and how he was the only one of them to play in an NFL style offense.
Why is he now suddenly nothing but raw clay? Let's pick which it is with this kid.
But it doesn't look like he will be there at 6.
If Arizona doesn't trade out of four I bet San Diego trades out of five. Too much effort by too many teams to get ahead of the Giants.
This is looking like a 4 QB draft and unless the Giants out bids Denver and Minnesota we will be drafting a WR.
None of these QB prospects are worth trading up for. They are all flawed. If one drops to 6 and you like him then go for it. The ideas that we Must get a QB early at any cost is silly.
How are you going to feel about trading up for a QB and trading next years #1 pick only to have that pick be 1st overall? Much like Carolina.
The Giants have a bottom 1/3 roster right now. I’d say there is a very good chance that the Giants are picking in the top 10 next season as of today and possibly top 5. Don’t force a QB pick.
With an offense still unsettled on the OL despite a huge investment. No top 32 WR, a low end TE group and an incomplete RB group it’s going to be difficult to fill all if that with the picks we currently have and limited cap space. Trade up and we are rolling with major holes on O and D.
I’d say trading back for a 2nd or 3rd tier QB is a better option than trading up for any of the QBs available at the top. Imagine if we could trade with Minnesota if they can’t trade to 4 or 5? We could then get a good WR and a QB in the 1st. I think one of he big 3 WRs could drop in a 4th QB is taken in the top 10. So it would be something like QB, QB, QB, WR, OT, Giants trade with Minnesota QB, OT, OT, TE, OT, Giants get 3rd WR.
Assuming those guys are off the board within the first 5 picks.
The 5th and final guy comes down to Nabers (I see him as a clear notch above Odunze) or a team trading up for McCarthy. Then the Giants pick whichever guy is left over. So if someone (Vikings) wants to make an offer LaC/AZ can’t refuse, so be it…we get a blue chip WR in Nabers.
They should not even think about trading up for McCarthy, unless the price is reasonable (which I suspect it may be as it is only 1-2 spots in the draft order, and allows LAC/AZ to still get an elite WR prospect).
Let another team overpay for McCarthy. The Giants need to stick to the trade value chart. They are not in a position to give away premium picks. It should cost no more than their 4th to move up 1-2 spots…
I can’t believe there are fans who think it’s reasonable to give up next years 1 to move up to 4 or 5…
I read the same stuff from the same posters every day
"none of the QBs are worth trading up for"
"if one falls to 6 fine, otherewise pick a WR"
Here's my question? How the hell do you guys or ANYONE really know? I agree with BW and Terps on this one.
You're sitting at 6, you don't have a QB, you need to do whatever it takes to get up to bat and take your swings!!
If the guy busts, fine, you move on. BUT, if you get it right, and this guy turns out to be the goods, you are SO MUCH further along with cleaning up this mess than you are now.
If it takes next year's number one to get to 3,4,5 so be it!
You can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket!
RE: I read the same stuff from the same posters every day
"none of the QBs are worth trading up for"
"if one falls to 6 fine, otherewise pick a WR"
Here's my question? How the hell do you guys or ANYONE really know? I agree with BW and Terps on this one.
You're sitting at 6, you don't have a QB, you need to do whatever it takes to get up to bat and take your swings!!
If the guy busts, fine, you move on. BUT, if you get it right, and this guy turns out to be the goods, you are SO MUCH further along with cleaning up this mess than you are now.
If it takes next year's number one to get to 3,4,5 so be it!
You can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket!
Yes, Schoen and Daboll would move on…out of New Jersey..because they will be fired.
Right now, they are building a team. If they trade next years 1 and McCarthy flops, it’s over. So, I guarantee they do not share your sentiment of “so what if we trade up for a guy and he busts”
Everyone said "just take a QB at this point - who cares if he's a bust you gotta keep taking swings" before Daniel Jones was drafted.
Then, everyone shifted and said well that's too early for Jones! Then they got pissed that Jones was not worth the 6th pick.
Now, it appears that all of these posters who said this are now basically using the same exact argument for this season, saying we just need to take a QB no matter what and we need to take him at 6.
I get the arguments for drafting a QB. I get the arguments for not drafting a QB. But let's just have an honest discussion about it.
On here think like fans. Not GM’s. And that’s okay because we are fans. But I guarantee you Schoen isn’t treating his 6 overall (and next years 1) like a lottery ticket.
Yes, we all want a franchise QB. And it’s easy for us to day “risk everything”. That’s because the only downside for us, as fans, is that the team sucks for 3 more years. We don’t lose our jobs and have to relocate our families.
If the Giants have Nabers and Odunze in the top 7-8 players or so, and they have McCarthy at let's say....20. They will take the receiver 10 times out of 10.
Not saying they have McCarthy there. But if they do, it's not even a debate.
Now if they have McCarthy as the 10th best player, they will likely draft him at 6.
taking a QB is too risky and/or there aren't any flawless QB prospects, is in the next breath they say the WR are can't miss prospects sure to be "blue chippers." That's just not true. There is risk inherent in any pick, but QB is the most important position in the game. We need to get that right, even if it means we keep trying until we do.
taking a QB is too risky and/or there aren't any flawless QB prospects, is in the next breath they say the WR are can't miss prospects sure to be "blue chippers." That's just not true. There is risk inherent in any pick, but QB is the most important position in the game. We need to get that right, even if it means we keep trying until we do.
It has more to do with the fact that the Giants are picking 6th and not 2nd. If they were picking 2nd we wouldn't be having this conversation.
What you rather have the 2nd best receiver in the draft who is considered to be on par with MHJ, or the QB who is considered to be the 3rd or 4th best?
Everyone said "just take a QB at this point - who cares if he's a bust you gotta keep taking swings" before Daniel Jones was drafted.
Then, everyone shifted and said well that's too early for Jones! Then they got pissed that Jones was not worth the 6th pick.
Now, it appears that all of these posters who said this are now basically using the same exact argument for this season, saying we just need to take a QB no matter what and we need to take him at 6.
I get the arguments for drafting a QB. I get the arguments for not drafting a QB. But let's just have an honest discussion about it.
I don't think we should compare Jones to the QBs in this draft class.
IMO, Jones would maybe go 4-5 round in this upcoming draft.
I see this board littered every day with "McCarthy played in an NFL system" mantra.
So, how the hell can you play in this NFL system and not be NFL ready?
because there's more than 1 way to be pro ready? if andy reid didnt think mahomes was pro ready year 1 i think we can fairly assume it's not a given any rookie ever will be (though some have been and others may be).
and fyi i do think mentally he is probably more pro ready than the rest of the top 4 because of the system he played in.
taking a QB is too risky and/or there aren't any flawless QB prospects, is in the next breath they say the WR are can't miss prospects sure to be "blue chippers." That's just not true. There is risk inherent in any pick, but QB is the most important position in the game. We need to get that right, even if it means we keep trying until we do.
It has more to do with the fact that the Giants are picking 6th and not 2nd. If they were picking 2nd we wouldn't be having this conversation.
What you rather have the 2nd best receiver in the draft who is considered to be on par with MHJ, or the QB who is considered to be the 3rd or 4th best?
Based on what? Your own evaluations? I don't know who the second best receiver will be or who the best QB will be and neither do you. We're not the ones getting paid to make that determination--the Giants front office is.
1. Giants win 6-ish games with Jones/Lock/DeVito
2. Giants enter 2025 with Jones the only QB under contract
3. Giants draft ~4-6 in a draft where the best QB prospects figure to be Ewers, Milroe, and Sanders
If I'm Schoen and Daboll that is a colossally risky way to play this with Belichick and Vrabel lurking. Way riskier than trading to move up for McCarthy, Maye, or even drafting Penix or Nix at 6.
taking a QB is too risky and/or there aren't any flawless QB prospects, is in the next breath they say the WR are can't miss prospects sure to be "blue chippers." That's just not true. There is risk inherent in any pick, but QB is the most important position in the game. We need to get that right, even if it means we keep trying until we do.
It has more to do with the fact that the Giants are picking 6th and not 2nd. If they were picking 2nd we wouldn't be having this conversation.
What you rather have the 2nd best receiver in the draft who is considered to be on par with MHJ, or the QB who is considered to be the 3rd or 4th best?
The QB given: 1) the importance of the position and 2) the inability of Jones to stay healthy and 3) Jones' severe limitations as a NFL QB.
And Ryan Cowden with Ossefort is important here. Schoen really, really needs to know what Ossefort is thinking here about #4 and, though they are on opposite sides of the table in this situation, that connection can hopefully elicit some candid commentary from the Cards GM.
The Giants are drafting #6 in what is generally accepted as being one of the best QB drafts in years.
A simple question: if this is not the right situation for the Giants to pursue a QB prospect, then what does the right situation look like?
I'm with Go Terps. Of course, I like McCarthy, yet any of the top 4 would be "OK" for me. If not, one of the 3 #1Wrs would be great. There is a third path and that is move down a little bit, get more picks and take a second tier QB such as Penix or Nix. There are options. I look forward to see how Schoen plays this.
The Giants are drafting #6 in what is generally accepted as being one of the best QB drafts in years.
A simple question: if this is not the right situation for the Giants to pursue a QB prospect, then what does the right situation look like?
Maybe when the Giants have at least one legit play-maker on the roster.
Ok. So let's say the Giants draft Nabers or Odunze, and let's assume they don't bust.
What is the plan at QB?
First things first. The top 3-4 WR prospects in this draft have a lower bust factor than the top 3-4 QBs.
Second, Giants can still draft a QB this April, but it might be outside the top 3-4 top prospects.
Third, you never know which college QBs emerge in future drafts but they almost always do. Doesn’t mean they’ll all be a sure bet, but rarely is any prospect a “sure bet.”
I see this board littered every day with "McCarthy played in an NFL system" mantra.
So, how the hell can you play in this NFL system and not be NFL ready?
Thank you. All I have heard about is that he has received superior coaching to all the other QBs and how he was the only one of them to play in an NFL style offense.
Why is he now suddenly nothing but raw clay? Let's pick which it is with this kid.
The Chargers are going to run a version of this offense in 2024. It is a NFL style offense - the quote in the OP gets it wrong.
anotonio pierce still carrying that water for john mara
1. Giants win 6-ish games with Jones/Lock/DeVito
2. Giants enter 2025 with Jones the only QB under contract
3. Giants draft ~4-6 in a draft where the best QB prospects figure to be Ewers, Milroe, and Sanders
If I'm Schoen and Daboll that is a colossally risky way to play this with Belichick and Vrabel lurking. Way riskier than trading to move up for McCarthy, Maye, or even drafting Penix or Nix at 6.
I agree, but the draft might not cooperate and until they break the half-measures chain ...
No, stating facts. There is no doubt Daniels, Maye and McCarthy would all sit for most of the year. Which is what he stated. He then used McCarthy as the example because he is the youngest. None of them will play until if/when the Giants are eliminated from the playoffs. They all have issues to work on: for Daniels it's strength, for Maye and McCarthy it's mechanics. And they all face the NFL learning curve.
It is the advantage/reality of the Jones contract that makes it impossible to cut him. If they get one of the QBs, he will be walking into a better situation than most high pick QBs. He won't be expected to start and can sit and learn while fixing their shortcomings. And while the other key pieces on the team get more experience and hopefully show improvement.
because there's more than 1 way to be pro ready? if andy reid didnt think mahomes was pro ready year 1 i think we can fairly assume it's not a given any rookie ever will be (though some have been and others may be).
and fyi i do think mentally he is probably more pro ready than the rest of the top 4 because of the system he played in.
Reid and the Chiefs are not the best example. They still had QB in Smith who won playoff games with two different organizations. And they had a lot of parts in place. So, Reid could exercise more patience.
We don't have any of that. If McCarthy has been tutored by Harbaugh, been exposed to an NFL system and vernacular, impressed teams on the white board in the evaluation process, and has these plus attributes, what exactly is the point in waiting?
You can't have it both ways. If you believe he has the goods, - which is fine, btw - nothing is gained by sitting behind an inferior talent in Jones (assuming he would be ready). Or even Lock.
when he is ready. He competes in the offseason and training camp and see how it goes. If they draft a QB, I would make sure the OL is in order. Some new players with a new OL coach so I would assess that.
You draft a QB because you think that QB will be better. Not because BB/MV are lurking.
So, how the hell can you play in this NFL system and not be NFL ready?
If Arizona and the Chargers don't want to trade out either he or Maye will be.
So, how the hell can you play in this NFL system and not be NFL ready?
Given Paul’s Mara ties, I’d imagine that has more to with that they’ll still start Golden Boy Jones and need an excuse for why McCarthy is sitting
So, how the hell can you play in this NFL system and not be NFL ready?
The rare valid point posted on BBI.
Well done bw in dc.
I mean, just LOFL at the bold.
So, how the hell can you play in this NFL system and not be NFL ready?
It's another random and completely unnecessary box to check.
Now we take him because he is ready to sit for a year...
... Yesterday we take him because he's ready to start day one.
Welcome to the off season.
PS, I still like JJ.
Only way that happens is if the Giants are winning (big) and even then there are no guarantees the kid sits for very long. 04 the Giants had a winning record and benched Warner for Eli by mid season. 2019 they benched Eli for Jones before week 3.
Worry about it when it happens. It won't unless times are good.
There's also nothing wrong with the rookie playing 10 games instead of 17.
So, how the hell can you play in this NFL system and not be NFL ready?
Thank you. All I have heard about is that he has received superior coaching to all the other QBs and how he was the only one of them to play in an NFL style offense.
Why is he now suddenly nothing but raw clay? Let's pick which it is with this kid.
If Arizona doesn't trade out of four I bet San Diego trades out of five. Too much effort by too many teams to get ahead of the Giants.
This is looking like a 4 QB draft and unless the Giants out bids Denver and Minnesota we will be drafting a WR.
How are you going to feel about trading up for a QB and trading next years #1 pick only to have that pick be 1st overall? Much like Carolina.
The Giants have a bottom 1/3 roster right now. I’d say there is a very good chance that the Giants are picking in the top 10 next season as of today and possibly top 5. Don’t force a QB pick.
With an offense still unsettled on the OL despite a huge investment. No top 32 WR, a low end TE group and an incomplete RB group it’s going to be difficult to fill all if that with the picks we currently have and limited cap space. Trade up and we are rolling with major holes on O and D.
I’d say trading back for a 2nd or 3rd tier QB is a better option than trading up for any of the QBs available at the top. Imagine if we could trade with Minnesota if they can’t trade to 4 or 5? We could then get a good WR and a QB in the 1st. I think one of he big 3 WRs could drop in a 4th QB is taken in the top 10. So it would be something like QB, QB, QB, WR, OT, Giants trade with Minnesota QB, OT, OT, TE, OT, Giants get 3rd WR.
Then QB later
2. Daniels
3. Maye
4. Harrison
Assuming those guys are off the board within the first 5 picks.
The 5th and final guy comes down to Nabers (I see him as a clear notch above Odunze) or a team trading up for McCarthy. Then the Giants pick whichever guy is left over. So if someone (Vikings) wants to make an offer LaC/AZ can’t refuse, so be it…we get a blue chip WR in Nabers.
They should not even think about trading up for McCarthy, unless the price is reasonable (which I suspect it may be as it is only 1-2 spots in the draft order, and allows LAC/AZ to still get an elite WR prospect).
Let another team overpay for McCarthy. The Giants need to stick to the trade value chart. They are not in a position to give away premium picks. It should cost no more than their 4th to move up 1-2 spots…
I can’t believe there are fans who think it’s reasonable to give up next years 1 to move up to 4 or 5…
"if one falls to 6 fine, otherewise pick a WR"
Here's my question? How the hell do you guys or ANYONE really know? I agree with BW and Terps on this one.
You're sitting at 6, you don't have a QB, you need to do whatever it takes to get up to bat and take your swings!!
If the guy busts, fine, you move on. BUT, if you get it right, and this guy turns out to be the goods, you are SO MUCH further along with cleaning up this mess than you are now.
If it takes next year's number one to get to 3,4,5 so be it!
You can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket!
"if one falls to 6 fine, otherewise pick a WR"
Here's my question? How the hell do you guys or ANYONE really know? I agree with BW and Terps on this one.
You're sitting at 6, you don't have a QB, you need to do whatever it takes to get up to bat and take your swings!!
If the guy busts, fine, you move on. BUT, if you get it right, and this guy turns out to be the goods, you are SO MUCH further along with cleaning up this mess than you are now.
If it takes next year's number one to get to 3,4,5 so be it!
You can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket!
I am glad you are not the GM
Yes, Schoen and Daboll would move on…out of New Jersey..because they will be fired.
Right now, they are building a team. If they trade next years 1 and McCarthy flops, it’s over. So, I guarantee they do not share your sentiment of “so what if we trade up for a guy and he busts”
That is not a luxury they have earned yet.
Then, everyone shifted and said well that's too early for Jones! Then they got pissed that Jones was not worth the 6th pick.
Now, it appears that all of these posters who said this are now basically using the same exact argument for this season, saying we just need to take a QB no matter what and we need to take him at 6.
I get the arguments for drafting a QB. I get the arguments for not drafting a QB. But let's just have an honest discussion about it.
We already have a redshirt QB for 2024.
We need someone who can also backup Lock.
Yes, we all want a franchise QB. And it’s easy for us to day “risk everything”. That’s because the only downside for us, as fans, is that the team sucks for 3 more years. We don’t lose our jobs and have to relocate our families.
Not saying they have McCarthy there. But if they do, it's not even a debate.
Now if they have McCarthy as the 10th best player, they will likely draft him at 6.
It has more to do with the fact that the Giants are picking 6th and not 2nd. If they were picking 2nd we wouldn't be having this conversation.
What you rather have the 2nd best receiver in the draft who is considered to be on par with MHJ, or the QB who is considered to be the 3rd or 4th best?
Then, everyone shifted and said well that's too early for Jones! Then they got pissed that Jones was not worth the 6th pick.
Now, it appears that all of these posters who said this are now basically using the same exact argument for this season, saying we just need to take a QB no matter what and we need to take him at 6.
I get the arguments for drafting a QB. I get the arguments for not drafting a QB. But let's just have an honest discussion about it.
I don't think we should compare Jones to the QBs in this draft class.
IMO, Jones would maybe go 4-5 round in this upcoming draft.
So, how the hell can you play in this NFL system and not be NFL ready?
because there's more than 1 way to be pro ready? if andy reid didnt think mahomes was pro ready year 1 i think we can fairly assume it's not a given any rookie ever will be (though some have been and others may be).
and fyi i do think mentally he is probably more pro ready than the rest of the top 4 because of the system he played in.
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taking a QB is too risky and/or there aren't any flawless QB prospects, is in the next breath they say the WR are can't miss prospects sure to be "blue chippers." That's just not true. There is risk inherent in any pick, but QB is the most important position in the game. We need to get that right, even if it means we keep trying until we do.
It has more to do with the fact that the Giants are picking 6th and not 2nd. If they were picking 2nd we wouldn't be having this conversation.
What you rather have the 2nd best receiver in the draft who is considered to be on par with MHJ, or the QB who is considered to be the 3rd or 4th best?
Based on what? Your own evaluations? I don't know who the second best receiver will be or who the best QB will be and neither do you. We're not the ones getting paid to make that determination--the Giants front office is.
A simple question: if this is not the right situation for the Giants to pursue a QB prospect, then what does the right situation look like?
A simple question: if this is not the right situation for the Giants to pursue a QB prospect, then what does the right situation look like?
Maybe when the Giants have at least one legit play-maker on the roster.
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The Giants are drafting #6 in what is generally accepted as being one of the best QB drafts in years.
A simple question: if this is not the right situation for the Giants to pursue a QB prospect, then what does the right situation look like?
Maybe when the Giants have at least one legit play-maker on the roster.
That could be the QB, no?
And perhaps that QB will make everyone else around him better.
Just one way to look at it.
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The Giants are drafting #6 in what is generally accepted as being one of the best QB drafts in years.
A simple question: if this is not the right situation for the Giants to pursue a QB prospect, then what does the right situation look like?
Maybe when the Giants have at least one legit play-maker on the roster.
Ok. So let's say the Giants draft Nabers or Odunze, and let's assume they don't bust.
What is the plan at QB?
I wouldn't either, but as Terps said, this is a great QB prospect year and they're picking 6. If you punt on the decision, it's could get ugly.
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The Giants are drafting #6 in what is generally accepted as being one of the best QB drafts in years.
A simple question: if this is not the right situation for the Giants to pursue a QB prospect, then what does the right situation look like?
Maybe when the Giants have at least one legit play-maker on the roster.
That could be the QB, no?
And perhaps that QB will make everyone else around him better.
Just one way to look at it.
A rookie QB coming to this Giants team bereft of play-makers probably means he spends a good part of 2024 on the sidelines.
Playing that scenario out in my head:
1. Giants win 6-ish games with Jones/Lock/DeVito
2. Giants enter 2025 with Jones the only QB under contract
3. Giants draft ~4-6 in a draft where the best QB prospects figure to be Ewers, Milroe, and Sanders
If I'm Schoen and Daboll that is a colossally risky way to play this with Belichick and Vrabel lurking. Way riskier than trading to move up for McCarthy, Maye, or even drafting Penix or Nix at 6.
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taking a QB is too risky and/or there aren't any flawless QB prospects, is in the next breath they say the WR are can't miss prospects sure to be "blue chippers." That's just not true. There is risk inherent in any pick, but QB is the most important position in the game. We need to get that right, even if it means we keep trying until we do.
It has more to do with the fact that the Giants are picking 6th and not 2nd. If they were picking 2nd we wouldn't be having this conversation.
What you rather have the 2nd best receiver in the draft who is considered to be on par with MHJ, or the QB who is considered to be the 3rd or 4th best?
The QB given: 1) the importance of the position and 2) the inability of Jones to stay healthy and 3) Jones' severe limitations as a NFL QB.
A simple question: if this is not the right situation for the Giants to pursue a QB prospect, then what does the right situation look like?
I'm with Go Terps. Of course, I like McCarthy, yet any of the top 4 would be "OK" for me. If not, one of the 3 #1Wrs would be great. There is a third path and that is move down a little bit, get more picks and take a second tier QB such as Penix or Nix. There are options. I look forward to see how Schoen plays this.
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In comment 16445460 Go Terps said:
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The Giants are drafting #6 in what is generally accepted as being one of the best QB drafts in years.
A simple question: if this is not the right situation for the Giants to pursue a QB prospect, then what does the right situation look like?
Maybe when the Giants have at least one legit play-maker on the roster.
Ok. So let's say the Giants draft Nabers or Odunze, and let's assume they don't bust.
What is the plan at QB?
First things first. The top 3-4 WR prospects in this draft have a lower bust factor than the top 3-4 QBs.
Second, Giants can still draft a QB this April, but it might be outside the top 3-4 top prospects.
Third, you never know which college QBs emerge in future drafts but they almost always do. Doesn’t mean they’ll all be a sure bet, but rarely is any prospect a “sure bet.”
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I see this board littered every day with "McCarthy played in an NFL system" mantra.
So, how the hell can you play in this NFL system and not be NFL ready?
Thank you. All I have heard about is that he has received superior coaching to all the other QBs and how he was the only one of them to play in an NFL style offense.
Why is he now suddenly nothing but raw clay? Let's pick which it is with this kid.
The Chargers are going to run a version of this offense in 2024. It is a NFL style offense - the quote in the OP gets it wrong.
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Wouldn't put it past them.
Playing that scenario out in my head:
1. Giants win 6-ish games with Jones/Lock/DeVito
2. Giants enter 2025 with Jones the only QB under contract
3. Giants draft ~4-6 in a draft where the best QB prospects figure to be Ewers, Milroe, and Sanders
If I'm Schoen and Daboll that is a colossally risky way to play this with Belichick and Vrabel lurking. Way riskier than trading to move up for McCarthy, Maye, or even drafting Penix or Nix at 6.
I agree, but the draft might not cooperate and until they break the half-measures chain ...
So, how the hell can you play in this NFL system and not be NFL ready?
Counterpoint:
Daniel Jones plays in an NFL system and is not NFL ready
It is the advantage/reality of the Jones contract that makes it impossible to cut him. If they get one of the QBs, he will be walking into a better situation than most high pick QBs. He won't be expected to start and can sit and learn while fixing their shortcomings. And while the other key pieces on the team get more experience and hopefully show improvement.
because there's more than 1 way to be pro ready? if andy reid didnt think mahomes was pro ready year 1 i think we can fairly assume it's not a given any rookie ever will be (though some have been and others may be).
and fyi i do think mentally he is probably more pro ready than the rest of the top 4 because of the system he played in.
Reid and the Chiefs are not the best example. They still had QB in Smith who won playoff games with two different organizations. And they had a lot of parts in place. So, Reid could exercise more patience.
We don't have any of that. If McCarthy has been tutored by Harbaugh, been exposed to an NFL system and vernacular, impressed teams on the white board in the evaluation process, and has these plus attributes, what exactly is the point in waiting?
You can't have it both ways. If you believe he has the goods, - which is fine, btw - nothing is gained by sitting behind an inferior talent in Jones (assuming he would be ready). Or even Lock.
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Stop it! Almost spit out my martini!
You draft a QB because you think that QB will be better. Not because BB/MV are lurking.
Seems like you think you really got something here, but has it occurred to you that what pisses fans off is that the Giants stopped taking swings?